P-Mags outlawed in 2nd MARDIV

[thecatsonpoint]

The policy apparently came down from 2nd Marine Division. The theory, apparently, is that they don't properly fit in the weapons and can cause malfunctions. I've also heard some speculation that they aren't made to "military" standards. I carried them on last deployment and didn't have any problems. Thoughts?

[MPCOA]

It is due to them not fitting in the M27 IAR due to HK having to be different with their magwell. It has nothing to do with quality or malfunctions.

I love the Corps and the "theories" put forward instead of the real justification.

[Silverbullet]

I love the Corps and the "theories" put forward instead of the real justification.


How do you know it's a theory put forward instead of the actual reason? Have you seen the message that states why they were banned?

[MPCOA]

How do you know it's a theory put forward instead of the actual reason? Have you seen the message that states why they were banned?

Because Pmags don't fit in HK magwells, that is why there is Emags

I guess that it is entirely possible that a unit decided that a NSNed and universally like item is a POS. I tend to think that the truth is more likely. The theory part comes from the OP. I'm obviously not in the Corps anymore, but I have seen from enough sources that local units are banning Pmags in the Corps due to the magazine incompatibility.

[iraqgunz]

That makes sense. What's funny is that they fit just about every AR out there that is made by the reputable companies.

Because Pmags don't fit in HK magwells, that is why there is Emags

I guess that it is entirely possible that a unit decided that a NSNed and universally like item is a POS. I tend to think that the truth is more likely. The theory part comes from the OP. I'm obviously not in the Corps anymore, but I have seen from enough sources that local units are banning Pmags in the Corps due to the magazine incompatibility.

[Maverick]

I have never even seen an M27 IAR in the Marine Corps arsenal at 2nd MARDIV. The PMAGS fit perfectly fine in the M16A2, M4, and M249. The only reason I can think of for them being banned is that it's not an "issued" item. I do know that the Corps is always banning stuff that isn't "issued." I'll have to do some research and find out what happened.

[iraqgunz]

I actually saw somewhere an official purchase or procurement order for PMAG's for the USMC as well as the Navy.

Not sure what the deal is with the mag thing. I do know that the reason EMAG's came out were due to the issues with the HK416 and SCAR.

I have never even seen an M27 IAR in the Marine Corps arsenal at 2nd MARDIV. The PMAGS fit perfectly fine in the M16A2, M4, and M249. The only reason I can think of for them being banned is that it's not an "issued" item. I do know that the Corps is always banning stuff that isn't "issued." I'll have to do some research and find out what happened.

[CarnageWhiskey]

I have never even seen an M27 IAR in the Marine Corps arsenal at 2nd MARDIV. The PMAGS fit perfectly fine in the M16A2, M4, and M249. The only reason I can think of for them being banned is that it's not an "issued" item. I do know that the Corps is always banning stuff that isn't "issued." I'll have to do some research and find out what happened.

Nope, the M27 is still hasn't been officially procured yet.

From what I've been reading on the M27 the Gunners are pushing for standard USGI standardization across the USMC so there isn't the chance of possible problems on the battlefield.

The PMAG is in the system with an NSN, so units could order them.
This "ban" is probably to stop units and individuals from purchasing any before the M27 gets in inventory.

I have never had a problem with PMags and have never known anyone who has had a problem either.

If they are banned just outfit USGI mags with Magpul followers and base plates. Almost as good as the real thing.

[Maverick]

Well that definitely doesn't make any sense. I don't think I've ever experienced the Marine Corps making an anticipatory decision haha. I know that PMAGS have been open purchased before, it has been included in a pre-deployment gear issue before.

[Silverbullet]

Because Pmags don't fit in HK magwells, that is why there is Emags

I guess that it is entirely possible that a unit decided that a NSNed and universally like item is a POS. I tend to think that the truth is more likely. The theory part comes from the OP. I'm obviously not in the Corps anymore, but I have seen from enough sources that local units are banning Pmags in the Corps due to the magazine incompatibility.

Really? You thought I was commenting becasue I didn't know the difference in mags?

Maybe this will make it clearer. My point is, that without a link to the message that bans these particular mags the entire subj is rumor including why you or anyone else think it may have been done.

A piece of gear isn't banned Division wide by word of mouth or a telephone call, especially something that's been in the system. The Div G-4 would have released a message stating what the ban was and the reasoning behind it.

So until someone can link to the message, everything is guesswork.

[yojinbukai]

Some (maybe more than one) Gunner doesn't like 'em?

[TJT0321]

The simple answer to this question would be that P-Mags are a non-issued item and the Marine Corps frowns on anything that's different. To say the item is banned is probably an exaggeration. It's more likely that some high ranking member of 2nd Mar Div has decided he doesn't like them (for whatever reason) and is telling Marine's who are carrying them to stop.

It wouldn't be the first time. They've done it with non-issued boots, shemagh's, aftermarket buttstocks, baseball caps, fancy plate carriers, etc.. They claim it's a liability issue, but in reality they just have an aneurism every time they see someone that looks different.

[Hostile0311]

Bam, same old Corps. Funny story, we had a BC by the name of Lt. Col Hough who used to be FR and when he assumed command the first thing he asked in a Bn formation was whether we liked the new MOLLE gear or not. Well, after humpin' that shit in the boonies for 2 years, the whole BN gave a big thumbs down on it obviously. He then proceeded to go to DERMO (sp?) and all other places to requestion the whole BN ALICE mountain rucks. He also said we could wear whatever deuce gear, 782 gear, vests, etc. we wanted as long as we had our issued mags, water, 1st aid kit etc. Drove the company Gunny (ex poster boy DI) nuts with all the different get-ups and rigs guys showed up with. He was a damn good BC. I think he's a COL now at VMI.

[iraqgunz]

What's really funny is that the Marine Corps actually has a specific NSN assigned for PMAG's. I also saw them in use the last time I was in A'stan. I would still be interested in hearing some more info about this.