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Mac679
14 June 2000, 22:55
From the Daily Press:
"Vets upset Bronze Stars going to noncombatants"
By R.W. Rogers
Daily Press
Airmen based in Missouri and sailors from Naples received highly prized Bronze Star medals for their actions during the air war against Yugoslavia last year, without ever setting a boot inside a combat zone.
Technically, it's allowable, said spokesmen for both services, who defended the actions.
Morally, it's reprehensible, said local veterans, who characterized the actions as those of paper warriors reaping ill-gotten glory.
"It would be like saying that because I cut my finger on the flight line, I deserve a Purple Heart. No, I don't deserve the Purple Heart, and they don't deserve a Bronze Star," said Rick Cazenave, a Navy retiree.
The Air Force awarded 246 Bronze Stars for the Yugoslavian campaign, with 131 going to people within the combat zone and 115 going to those outside.
European Stars and Stripes, a newspaper that covers the military in Europe, reported that senior officers received most of the medals. Thirty-four enlisted airmen, most of them senior enlisted members, received the award.
"There is no precedent for awarding Bronze Stars to service members outside the combat zone," a Pentagon spokeswoman was quoted as saying last week in a Stripes story. "So, they're reviewing that whole concept."
If it were up to some Hampton Roads veterans, there would still be no precedent.
The veterans said handing out Bronze Stars for noncombat zone actions "cheapens" the medal that was instituted during World War II to recognize infantrymen in combat.
They suggested the Legion of Merit or the Defense Meritorious Service Medal as alternatives to the Bronze Star.
"It doesn't raise those who received it this time to the level of those who received it in the past. Instead it cheapens those who earned it in the past," said Cazenave, who flew the submarine-hunting P-3 Orion.
"We have small people who tried to make themselves bigger than they are," said Cazenave, 54, who has not received the medal. "It's the ultimate effrontery to all those who earned their medals the right way."
By all accounts, John J. Przybylski earned his Bronze Stars the right way -- all four of them.
He pulled two tours in Vietnam and led C Co. 2nd Battalion, 501st Airborne Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division up the infamous Hamburger Hill in May 1969.
Przybylski minces no words.
"It's flat out wrong. If the services are honest, they know it's wrong," said Przybylski, who spent 27 years in the Army. Two of his Bronze Stars were awarded for valor, meaning for action under fire in a combat zone.
Przybylski said that dozens of soldiers received the Bronze Star for fighting on Hamburger Hill and he is galled that "Air Force officers sitting in Missouri and Navy officers sitting in Naples got the same award for risking nothing."
"They are entitled to a number of medals that have nothing to do with combat," Przybylski said.
Bronze Stars went to Air Force personnel as far from the fray as Missouri, Ohio and Washington, D.C., said an Air Force spokesman. The awards were made even though the regulation governing Bronze Stars says they are not to be given for "participation in aerial flight." No one from the Air Force would explain the apparent contradiction Monday.
At least four of the Navy's 69 Bronze Stars went to staff officers in Naples, said the Stripes story.
The seven Marine Bronze Star awardees earned their medals in combat zones, according to a Marine spokesman. The Army awarded no Bronze Stars.
Don Karas, 53, a retired Army officer awarded two meritorious Bronze Stars for his Vietnam service, said he thinks awarding the medals has something to do with efforts to appease officers so they'll stay in the military. A meritorious Bronze Star is awarded for action in a combat zone but not necessarily under fire.
"My first reaction was shock and my second reaction was that it figures. Obviously they are having trouble getting and retaining quality people. I think this is just a ploy to keep people in or to entice people to come in," Karas said.
Karas echoed the sentiment of other veterans by stopping short of calling for a return of the medals.
"The people who got the medal already have them," Karas said. "I think that in the future they have to be more careful."
But, he said, "The guys and gals who are getting shot at and are still doing their jobs deserve the medals," Karas said. "Not the guy and the girl who are in Missouri."

Rick Rogers can be reached by e-mail at rrogers@dailypress.com

jeff
15 June 2000, 13:08
Oh boy, i've got last weeks Stars and Stripes which did a two day article on this same subject. I've got to go get'em, some interesting stuff. They tear the AF and Navy up about it.

jeff
16 June 2000, 03:29
The article begins "Bronze Star: Top-heavy honor" Here is the break down by rank of the recipients of the bronze star. Realizing that only O's are pilots and that the bronze star is awarded for "heroic or meritorious service not involving participation in aerial flight"
Air Force. Navy
O-1 - 0 O-1 - 1
0-2 - 0 0-2 - 0
0-3 - 2 0-3 - 1
O-4 - 25 O-4 - 7
O-5 - 70 O-5 - 26
O-6 - 58 O-6 - 26
O-7 - 3 O-7 - 1
O-8 - 0 O-8 - 1
O-9 - 0 O-9 - 1
TOTAL-158 64
ENLISTED
E1-3- 0 E1-3 - 0
E-4 - 2 E-4 - 0
E-5 - 3 E-5 - 1
E-6 - 0 E-6 - 3
E-7 - 3 E-7 - 1
E-8 - 5 E-8 - 0
E-9 - 12 E-9 - 0
TOTAL 25 5
These numbers are from Jon R.Andersons article in June 5 edition of Stars and Stripes.
Some of the examples of these stellar performers is the LTC in Missouri at Whiteman AFB who lead a team of mechanics and maintnance crews making sure the B-2 was ready. Better yet the LTC at Aviano Air Base, Italy for "building a miraculous tent city". I could go on citing examples of these "brave acts against the enemy".
I personally was there when 4 of the bronze stars with "V" devices were earned by AF PJs, while the wording is a bit excessive as with most awards, they did a good job and were recongized for it. Unfortunately most of the awards are shams and the people getting them should be ashamed.
Ironic that the same people getting the fourth highest combat award are not authorized to wear the Kosovo Engagement medal because they weren't there.
Sorry for betting long winded but this really irks me.


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1026
16 June 2000, 10:52
I agree. This sort of nonsense diminishes the award and those who earned them legitimately. I can't speak for the Air Force, but this seems to be a logical progression of the Navy's habit of awarding decorations for drawing a breath. If your Med deployment happens to coincide with "Impeachment Storm" or a similar adventure, you can come home looking like Idi Amin with a chest full of geedunk ribbons.

Gary
16 June 2000, 13:59
It's not a combat award if there is no "V" device. Same as an achievement medal then.

E19
16 June 2000, 17:44
Gary is correct. The Bronze Star is awarded
for Heroism (Denoted with a "V" device for valor), for Meritorious Achievement, or for Meritorious Service.

whisky_8
25 June 2000, 03:02
Jeff,
I know the deal. Looks like some people (Army) might have gotten the shaft when it came to awards. I'd take it all the way to Tampa if I were you.

W8

RifleMaster
25 June 2000, 15:23
IMHO meritorious service or valor awards can not be fairly awarded because they are mostly based on the perception of unit commanders that have very diverse missions. I believe there never has been any fairness in military awards and there never will be! So, "It don't mean nuthin!".

A few years ago I read an article in my local newspaper that really pissed me off! This guy had served with the 101st in Vietnam. He had been in a Platoon that was inserted to extract a sniper team that was in trouble. He tore a knee ligament during the insertion and after they were extracted "his knee worsened". So, he was sent to a hospital in Tokyo and on to a US hospital for some surgery to repair the damage. Years later, he checked his records and found that he had been awarded the Purple Heart and a Silver Star!

My favorite is the REMF payroll clerk that got a Purple Heart for GRAZING HIS ARM on a doorway while fleeing from mortar fire!!

I can go on, but I think I've made my point.

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