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Mike
7 September 2000, 17:52
Armed Forces Journal International
August 2000
Pg. 12

Family Business

Cost Growth In Two Major Procurements Squeezes Special Operations Command’s Limited Investment Budget

By Bill Gregory

The United States Special Operations Command (SOCOM), headquartered at MacDill AFB near Tampa, FL, has its own budget‹separate from those of the military services and controls its own (relatively small) procurement ($729 million this fiscal year) and research and development ($238 million) accounts. Unfortunately, cost growth in two flagship programs has forced SOCOM to scale back on other acquisition programs in its FY2002-2007 long-range budget plan.

The flagship programs are the CV-22 Special Operations Forces (SOF) variant of the Marine Corps’ Bell-Boeing MV-22 tilt-rotor aircraft and the Advanced SEAL Delivery System (ASDS) developed by Northrop Grumman. SOCOM must fund the SOF-unique modifications for each of 50 V-22 airframes, which are being purchased by the USAF for Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC). The ASDS is a small submarine totally funded by SOCOM that will be used to insert and extract Navy SEALs along hostile shores.

Costs for the first ASDS, which is in deep-water testing at Pearl Harbor, HI, escalated 200 percent from $78 million to $234 million. SOCOM realigned the funding for support equipment and trimmed the original six-vehicle program to three to hold the top line more or less steady. The CV-22's $500-million cost growth over the five-year budget plan, though not so steep in percentage terms, did plenty to skewer SOCOM's acquisition funding plans. Air Force Lt. Gen. Norton A. Schwartz, SOCOM’s deputy commander-in-chief, compared a near $700 million tab for both programs over the five-year plan with the roughly $950 million the command expects to spend annually on assets unique to special forces. While the cost growth is spread over several years, the bill was a shock. SOCOM was forced to slip delivery of 17 aircraft beyond the five-year plan to save $350 million.

While the Marine Corps was also hit by cost growth on its MV-22 version, development problems with SOF-unique systems compounded the cost problem for the CV-22, Schwartz told AFJI. These systems included ITT's Single Integrated Radio Frequency Countermeasures System (SIRFC) and other penetration aids, such as the terrain avoidance radar, navigation systems, and self-protection equipment. The SIRFC problem did not occur in isolation; the system was originally an Army-led program for the Apache and other helicopters but SOCOM wound up as the lead to try to maintain its delivery schedule for the CV-22 to meet the aircraft¹s planned FY2004 initial operational capability.

Despite the 17-aircraft slip, SOCOM has not backed off its 50-aircraft requirement. The CV-22’s C-130-like range and speed and helicopter-like takeoff and landing capability will be prized SOF capabilities; the 50 aircraft will also replace all of AFSOC’s helicopters, resulting in substantial operations and maintenance savings. "All our MH-53J Pave Low helicopters ultimately will leave the [AFSOC] inventory," Schwartz said. "The MH-60G Pave Hawks have already left the inventory. So there is a transition plan to accommodate the CV-22 that reflects the command's strategy of going after leap-ahead technology like the CV-22 and migrating away from legacy systems."

It’s possible that SOCOM can restore funding for the 17 aircraft in the five-year plan. Furthermore, the command left itself options by dividing CV-22 equipment into two groups. Group A, the plumbing, cooling, wiring, and such to support all the special avionics, goes in first. Group B includes the avionics black boxes themselves, which can be traded in or out for specific CV-22s over time to stay under the budget top line. If they can't go in one year, the aircraft is ready to take them the next year without any modifications if the funding is available.

To cover the remaining $150-million CV-22 deficit, SOCOM had to make some hard choices in its draft FY2002 budget request submitted to DoD in May and in its out-year funding plans. Given the CV-22's importance, Schwartz said, "We're going to sacrifice other things to keep it healthy."

Schwartz made clear the command¹s frustrations over cost growth and schedule slips in these flagship programs that have left a smaller pie for other deserving programs due to SOCOM’s limited budget. Rapid acquisition of new SOF equipment has been the advantage of SOCOM’s control over its own investment funds, although the command leverages new equipment programs funded by the military services whenever possible.

Schwartz has no doubts that SOF warfighters in the field know what they need. "That's the way we do business around here," he said. "This isn't a case of the folks here in Tampa dictating to the field what they get. It's a family business and, at least for us, it seems to work." He noted, "If you have operators field their own equipment, you end up with very good capability but no way to sustain it. On the other hand, you will have very complete programs if they are left in the hands of the traditional acquirers. So there are plusses and minuses. By staying small, as we are able to do here, perhaps we have the benefit of both.

"We have many more valid [equipment] requirements than our funding can support. The result is that problems in one program create ricochets. There are examples where we have produced superb equipment with all the right kind of sustaining support. What we need to do is take those smaller programs, not as complex as the CV-22 or the ASDS, and scale up that success. That's easier said than done."

Tracy
7 September 2000, 21:32
So boys and girls of USSOCOM:

Buy your own damn beans, bullets and boots.

It's the 70s all over again.

Whatever
13 September 2000, 02:25
1. Damn. Glad I got my Raichles before the first quarter of TY 01.

2. It looks like we're going to be short of everything but deployments.

D. O. L.

Tracy
13 September 2000, 13:02
Originally posted by Whatever:
1. Damn. Glad I got my Raichles before the first quarter of TY 01.
D. O. L.

Whatever: Where did you get your Raichles? I just blew mine out in Yosemite two months ago. They were 10 years old (sniff); they were black, goretex, leather, over-the-ankle types. I can't find them anywhere around here.

jeff
13 September 2000, 13:46
Tracy,
They've got them at the Patch PX.
Jeff

gear_guru
13 September 2000, 21:41
Well that does those of us in CONUS absolutely no good. However, you should be able to get them here. http://www.raichle.com/E/outdoor/products/boots/trekking.htm
I believe you want the Colorado II. Gee, what an interesting designation for the bbots used by 10th Group.

gear_guru
13 September 2000, 21:44
Well, looks like I may be wrong. Seems like guys were using ones that looked exactly like the Colorado when I was stationed in Germany, but that was 88-90. But there might be the right boot for you on this site.

Fred
13 September 2000, 23:46
jeff,
you been in the Irish bar or the Orpheum across the street in Boeblingen lately? I miss my old haunts

Whatever
14 September 2000, 00:03
Tracy:

1. Man, I feel for you. We were just issued the Yatna II. It is the cat's meow, the hot ticket, the heat...

2. Like you're previous boots (R.I.P.) they are black leather, goretex, over-the ankle.

3. In twenty years of being under an Alice Large I've never worn better boots (for western U.S. high elevation). Still like my Danners however-you can wear them on Carson without getting a counseling statement.

4. Our supply guy got them from the Raichle Rep in Denver.

Et al:

5. If you guys buy Raichle's I STRONGLY recommend that you go to a mountaineering/outdoor shop and try them on. We had the Raichle dude loan us one pair of boots in each size prior to issue. They are sized using european sizing and depending on socks worn, how much your feet swell on the move and individual comfort level any of three sizes might do it for you.

Take Care Guys

D.O.L.

SFC Gallant's rules of thumb:

1. If it smells good eat it.

2. If you don't understand it make fun of it

3. If you're scared of it-kill it.

Whatever
14 September 2000, 00:17
Tracy:

1. Re: Raichles, is/are there any mountaineering shops near Travis?

2. You can try R.E.I. if you have one in your A.O. Otherwise I would use the C.B.S. (Critical Boot Shortage) as an excuse to pack CINC-house in the batmobile and go to the big city. Hard to be an Action Guy without at least one good pair of boots, one good folding knife and twenty firearms.

3. I would recommend against getting them through the mail-the sizing is to subjective.

4. If you're ever near Colorado Springs try the Mountain Chalet-cool gear and close to the bars.

5. 10th Group and my unit (5/19th SFGA-Colorado Guard) just got the Yatna II. The 10th Group guys also use Sorels for camp boots and the MOST (snowmobile) teams.

Take Care

D.O.L.

Razor
14 September 2000, 11:18
To add to Whatever's comments, the Mountain Chalet guys like 10th Group--lots o' business. They even give discounts to the Mountain Course cadre. Good folks who deserve the business they get.

jeff
14 September 2000, 15:51
Fred, all the time. As small and smokey as you remember it.

gear_guru
14 September 2000, 18:21
Whatever...Is that Dave Gallant?

Whatever
14 September 2000, 20:14
Guy and Gear Guru:

1. Yeah, that was Dave Gallant, the man the myth the legend.

2. He was at teach Phase One at Camp Mackall when I went through the Charlie course. He was working up to failing our entire class in the Patrolling phase but got his throat cut in a bar outside Mackall. He lived and was sent to ANCOC as punishment. Interesting guy.

3. Later on I met some of the guys on his team from Bad Tolz.

4. Last I heard he retired as an E-8 and was doing recruiting work for some overseas contractors but don't know that for sure.

Whatever
14 September 2000, 20:50
Guy:

1. Alot of guys were upset when they found out he lived. During patrolling we lit a candle and prayed to the dark lord for Dave's death-our prayers were not heard.

2. Do you guys remember COL (later BG) Dick Potter? He gave us the standard demotivational speech (outside of the six million dollar shitter)-describing in detail how we were going to fail the star land nav course-we were the test case for that. I felt kinda guilty for passing land nav...

D.O.L.

Sharky
15 September 2000, 05:44
Once again, Rangers lead The Way! Hooooaaaahhhh!!!!!! ROFLMFAO

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F.I.D.O.

Tracy
15 September 2000, 12:19
Dave Gallant was a sniper when I knew him in Tolz and Panzer. The man was a GREAT shot; seeing how I was stacked outside of windows he was shooting into.

He used to perch in the Kellar Bar at the Panzer Club or at the Rod & Gun by our Shoot House.

I always tried to make nice-nice with him as the opportunity arose... Never piss off your snipers.

jeff
15 September 2000, 13:32
Ahh Dave...he was the fox on my team at Devens before he got out. What a person, i've heard that he is somewhere in the Balkans, working for legit contractor(who knows).
Potter was the speaker at our last dining in. He is an interesting guy, i remember that C company was his "boys". We refered to them as the PIGs, potters imperial guard.
We've got a good SOCEUR now, in BG Fuller. People think that because his has that country twang that he isn't that sharp, huge mistake.
The kellar bar..what more needs to be said.
Jeff

MP18D
15 September 2000, 16:08
Whatever-
when did u go to the Q??
Gallant had a set of "Big Ears" and a spotting scope that he spied on us students during PH1...and of course the paintball gun!!
Do u know Doug Markham, Medic type?
Mike

MP18D
15 September 2000, 17:46
Tracy;
What size bootes u need....I got a brand new pair that we never used. Went to plastic boots for mountaineering.
Mike
ps-or try either Marmot in Berzerkley, Western Mountaineering in San Jose. Marmot shop is cooler, Euro feeling about it.

Fred
15 September 2000, 21:20
jeff,
were you ever on a Team with W.O. Rich Devine and Joe Thibodeaux?

Whatever
15 September 2000, 21:58
MP18D

1. Mike - went through the 18C course from July-August '87. Reclassed as an Echo and went to AIMC and 18E Phase 2 Nov-May '91.

2. Don't know Doug Markham-really didn't know any of the Medics.

Mike W D.O.L.

For what it's worth the SFC Gallant that I was exposed to was technically and tactically gifted but had a bucketload of personal demons-but my only exposure to him was in the Q. Tracy and Jeff really knew the guy.

Did any of the 1/10th guys know a (non-S.F.) officer named Gibbs who claimed to have worked out of Tolz?

SOTICgrad
16 September 2000, 14:12
Gallant....there's a blast from the past. Heard about the paintball gun, but never got shot at. Guess he didn't see me. Definately remember the Gallant knot though, at least him showing and bragging on it, couldn't tie it now to save my life. Told us it made it easier to undo the bridge.

Anyone else that had him ever remember him patrolling his team through the swamp? All the other teams had been back for about 3-4 hours and in we come covered in crap after he took us through the swamp. Anyone else get chased with grenade sims? We'd be patrolling and he'd just start through arty and grenade sims, but at the guys. Sure made you run like hell. Then he'd invariably wound some guys so you had to move out fast and carry people. Reckon I'd have been by that dark candle praying to.

Tracy
16 September 2000, 15:02
Ahh Dave...he was the fox on my team at Devens before he got out. What a person...
Gallant was a great soldier, but there were times when I looked deep into his eyes and noticed that someone else was doing the driving. ;-)


Potter was the speaker at our last dining in. He is an interesting guy, i remember that C company was his "boys". We refered to them as the PIGs, potters imperial guard.

Potter had some 'issues' of his own. He used to segregate us from the rest of 1/10 SF; which pissed us off because we really needed all the help we could get. We wanted to train up A & B companies for CIF ops. Potter loved to play team leader and screw all over our chain of command.


We've got a good SOCEUR now, in BG Fuller. People think that because his has that country twang that he isn't that sharp, huge mistake.

Les Fuller is an outstanding CO. He was XO of 10th SFG when Tangney was the OC 10th SFG. He tried to have me re-assigned to 3/5 SFG when was OC in 1992; to run CIF ops for him. But LTC Brownlee and MAJ Conger (1/5) had in their minds to f*ck with me and my career. Those two stooges are the prime reason I decided to retire.

When you see BG Fuller, give him a HOO-AHH for me; same goes for COL Kershner (he was my second swim buddy from SFCDC, my first one had a stroke and seizure in pool phase).


The kellar bar..what more needs to be said.
Jeff
Speaking of bars, does A-011 still have theirs in the team room at Panzer? I helped move that damn thing from Tolz for them. I was the tech on 011 before taking over 033. When we began moving, I took one of the CIF Ninja Vans and loaded the 011 Bar, shelves and Eckbank and took it to Panzer. CSM Mohs decreed that all alcohol-related items would stay at Tolz. Ooops, guess I fell asleep in the briefing...

jbrookins
16 September 2000, 23:34
Tracy.
Seems to me they took it out in the mid 90's. Not posotive though. I was on 015 not 011. But I'm checking also, kinda interested myself.

Whatever
17 September 2000, 03:11
My most enduring memory of Dave Gallant was when we in the knot circle. We were fucking up our knots when one of the guys figured out how to turn the Gallant Knot into a pair of giant Mickey Mouse ears...

...Which he then tied around his head. Dude, that was a major tactical error. I didn't know that you could learn knots and do flutter kicks all at the same time.

D.O.L.

LRSC Grunt
17 September 2000, 03:34
LMAO

soup82
18 September 2000, 03:50
The gallant knot, nnnooooooooooooooooo, make it go away, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh'

Mickey Mouse ears????????

ROFLMAO

phase 1 Q July 88.

10th dudes - How many knew Otto Kiehl??? He was on my team in 3/5 for a while. Strange dude but the most incredible scrounger ever. Once tried to lift a copier but couldn't get the TL to sign for it. When we went through Sicily on the way to ME, he disappeared, 2 hours later he reappeared in a white van loaded with shit, survival gear etc. Heard a funny story about him shooting a dog when he was an instructor at the Q.

Cheers,

Patrick LaRocque

Tracy
18 September 2000, 16:23
Otto Kiehl? THE Otto?

The Kelsey Grammar of Special Forces??

Another colorful character among the Sneaky Petes ;-)