Ques about PJs in Somalia

[Sean-82]

Got into a heated conversation with a freind about the role of a certain PJ during the mission that the 2 Black Hawks were shot down.

He insisted that an Air Force PJ entered the crash site(not sure if it was crash site 1 or 2) and preceeded to hold back the Somalis by himself until he ran out of ammo, upon which he was killed.
He says that the Air Force never gave him recognition for the act.

I just want to know if there is any truth to this. If this violates some sort of securtiy, i apologize. I dont need to know his name just if this really happened and if the Air Force didnt give him any recognition for his bravery.

[SATCOM]

It did NOT happen. Read Blackhawk Down and learn more about that day.

[Sean-82]

And I admit that I dont know all that happened that day but i thought from what I read and heard that it didnt happen.

But he insited that it did. He just got back from camp (he's in AFROTC) and told me that while he was there they gave a lecture on the story.

What pissed me off the most, regardless of its truthfulness, was that he bought it hook line and sinker, didnt research anything just started talking about how the movie was wrong, the book was wrong and that I was just a civi and didnt know what I was talking about. Wanted to friggin kill him when he said that.

Thanks for the reply SATCOM really appreciate it. :)

[SHOOB]

He'll make a "fine" officer. How old is he?

[Sean-82]

20...wants to be a pilot.

He was at Lackland AFB, isn't that where they hold PJ indoc? I guess caz he was there it made a believer out of him.

[SATCOM]

I know that no one at the PJ Indoc told him that. He may have received a "briefing" on PJ/CCT involvement in Somalia, but no PJ at Lackland told him that crap. They do conduct PJ Indoc at Lackland, and each week a PJ will give a short recruiting brief to basic trainees. This is to gather interest and potential pipeline students.

Who supposedly gave this lecture on PJ involvement in Somalia?:mad:

[Tuukka]

Master Sergeant Gary I Gordon
Sergeant First Class Randall D Shughart

[SATCOM]

Gordon and Shugart were NOT PJ's.....if that's what you were inferring.

[Tuukka]

That is not what i inferred, just pointing out the men who actually defended Super 64.

[Sharky]

Originally posted by SATCOM
Who supposedly gave this lecture on PJ involvement in Somalia?


If I was guessing.........like you said, nobody from AFST said anything like that. Sounds like Junior just wants to impress some folks. He's "in the know" now since he's in AFJROTC ya know. :rolleyes:

[Razor]

Quick, hip pocket class:

infer -- To derive as a conclusion from facts or premises.

imply -- To involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct statement.

So, what should we take from all this? If Tuukka wrote something with a subtle meaning, he would be implying something. If we, in reading Tuukka's post, drew an indirect meaning from his words, we would be inferring something. A writer implies, while a reader infers.

Class dismissed. Don't forget to drop off my apple. ;)

[Tuukka]

Thanks for the heads up Razor, english aint my #1 language.

[Razor]

No worries, Tuukka. Hey, know anywhere I can get my two boys their first puukkos (my wife's half Finnish, so its to give them a tie to part of their heritage)?

[Tuukka]

Seems like Kellam Knives is selling Roselli knives there in the U.S, several variations available.

www.kellamknives.com

Hope this helps

[brewmonkey]

Originally posted by Razor
Quick, hip pocket class:

infer -- To derive as a conclusion from facts or premises.

imply -- To involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct statement.

So, what should we take from all this? If Tuukka wrote something with a subtle meaning, he would be implying something. If we, in reading Tuukka's post, drew an indirect meaning from his words, we would be inferring something. A writer implies, while a reader infers.

Class dismissed. Don't forget to drop off my apple. ;)

Damn edumactid ocifers.

[Razor]

Hey, I resemble that remark! :)

And Tuukka, kiitti.

[RangerWinnie]

I do know that 2 PJ's recieved silver stars for their actions during this op. Can't remember their names but I do remember that the presentations were some time after it was all over. I think both were wounded trying to extract someone. I'll see if I can dig up the story. I do remember that the first mention of it was in the SOF magazine.

[Tuukka]

Winnie,

TSgt Timothy Wilkinson was awarded the Air Force Cross and MSgt Scott Fales the Silver Star for their actions during the battle

[KJ]

Scotty also got the Purple Heart for getting shot in the leg. Both these PJs were the one's inside Super 61.