Rudy on "Combat Missions"

[Tom Hunter]

Rudy returns

Former Navy SEAL Rudy Boesch, who achieved 15 hours of fame on last season's "Survivor," will play a lead role on USA Networks' "Combat Missions" reality series. The latest brainchild of "Survivor" creator Mark Burnett, "Combat Missions" will feature the 72-year-old Boesch as its "camp commander." He'll command eight four- person teams competing in various physical and tactical tests through 15 episodes of the hour-long reality series. The teams will vie for a $400,000 prize on the series set to debut on USA in the fall.

[MFFI]

How refreshing... the embodiment of "The Quiet Professional"...

[Frenchie]

What network will it be on? And I just wanted to say like its been said on other posts that this idea is stupid. I mean units really shine when its time for real action. Anyways GO FOREIGN LEGION! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

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[E19]

Originally posted by Frenchie:
. Anyways GO FOREIGN LEGION! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif



By all means GO!

[FutureRanger2000]

Originally posted by E19:
By all means GO!



LOL!

[Frenchie]

Just wondering who do you guys want to win and who do you think will win? Do the Rangers really have as much of a chance as the other units like SEALs and stuff?

[Disturbance]

The producers and owners of the show will win and the people playing in the show will be shunned by their brethren for trivializing everything they do for your country. Everyone always says they dont do it for the money.

-Disturbance

[LRSC Grunt]

Originally posted by Frenchie
Do the Rangers really have as much of a chance as the other units like SEALs and stuff?

Who fucking cares you jackass!! Go back to your french/canadian board.

[Sharky]

None of them have a chance. SOCOM put out a policy directive that forbids all SOCOM SOF from participating.

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[FutureRanger2000]

It is my understanding that all the people competing will be FORMER SOF personnel. I saw Rudy on Good Morning America a few weeks ago, and he said that all that will be competing aren't under the command of SOCOM, so SOCOM has no power over them. I don't think SOCOM can restrict civilians, can they?

[LRSC Grunt]

Isnt there some legal document you have to sign before you leave the military if you have a security clearance or hold a certain position in the SO field? If so can it be used by the government to prosecute or sue if certain OPSEC or PERSEC procedures have been broken? In this case it would be exposing tactics and techniques.

Just curious.

[rgr-jc]

Do the Rangers really have as much of a chance as the other units like SEALs and stuff?

Frenchie,
No we fucking suck at everything we do. It's a fucking wonder that we are even in Special Operations. Just because we don't run around in nomex flight suits and aren't on the fucking Discovery Channel every other hour doesn't mean we aren't capable of giving a motherfucker lead poisoning. Kiss my ass.

-jc

[Tracy]

What JC is trying to delicately say is that they have the skill set to get the job done. And they've had those skills for the last quarter century. Remember, the Ranger Regiment is the ONLY military unit with just one task: Assault against hardened targets; be it rural, urban, artic, desert, jungle, mountains; it don't matter.

Where individual Ranger skills don't get the job done; they pile on extra Rangers and get it done anyway.

You have to train with these guys to REALLY appreciate them. In 1979, the General in charge of Training for the USMC wrote a letter to the 1st Ranger Batallion Commander stating: "The Marines are looking for a Few Good Men; it looks like the Rangers found them."

Read the Ranger Creed sometime.

If I had my choice of ANY Military force mix to handle ANY combat task, the very first unit I'd grab is a Batallion of Rangers. Then I'd consider 1)support, 2)transport, 3)a few Frogs and Snake Eaters.

[This message has been edited by Tracy (edited 02-20-2001).]

[Sharky]

Originally posted by rgr-jc:

Frenchie,
No we fucking suck at everything we do. It's a fucking wonder that we are even in Special Operations. Just because we don't run around in nomex flight suits and aren't on the fucking Discovery Channel every other hour doesn't mean we aren't capable of giving a motherfucker lead poisoning. Kiss my ass.

-jc

That was absolutely the funniest freakin thing I have heard in a while. Thanks JC.



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[mada61]

Rangers are pure hardcore fighting machines.If you dont believe me frenchie than just look at what happened in mogedishue 18 Rangers for a 1000 and some odd enemy personel in brutal street fighting with limited ammo the rangers put the fear of god in the enemy that kill to death ratio is simply awe inspireing.Plain and simple Rangers are pure fighting men who get the job done under over whelming odds

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[DIRSUP KORLING]

You know....if the military really wanted to be nasty they could recall to active duty all the former US SPECWAR guys participating in Combat Missions....that would place them under SOCOM control again......I think they could justify it for OPSEC reasons....do any of you think this is a viable option?

just a thought

mario

[Jeff Rambo]

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[jinX]

Frenchie, a couple of quotes from Eric Blehm's article on the Rangers:

Ranger battalions are America's most elite ground forces, our most highly trained killing machines. And they aren't just born that way. They train in arctic conditions, the jungle, the desert, the mountains and the sea, each situation intended to expose each man to every conceivable hardship.

They carry the heaviest packs and travel the longest distances over the most difficult terrain. For four weeks each year they are granted block leave, a safety valve to relieve the pressure. Otherwise, all they do is train for combat. And in an average year, a couple die in the process.

There are many prestigious special forces in the military: Navy SEALs specialize in targeted covert maneuvers; Air Force Para-Rescue jumpers are famous for fetching downed pilots; Army Green Berets, of John Wayne legend, train the troops of other countries. But in terms of wielding sheer deadly force, none compare to the Rangers. They are America's finest assassins. Other special forces might get in and get out, but a Ranger's primary purpose is to seek out and destroy. "They're amazingly brave in a testosterone fog; they're warriors," Bill Brooks, a special forces Vietnam veteran, tells me. "Back in 'Nam, I'd feel safer with six Rangers behind enemy lines than with a company of infantrymen."

I think this sums up / expands very well on what everyone here is saying.

I still think rgr-jc put is best. You don't need TV hyping your exploits, nor do you need the newest high-speed-looking combat vest/protec helmet/flightsuit/fill-in-the-blank to be a warrior. Some people are just badasses, and I think that the Ranger fits that bill very well.


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[tactical]

You guys warm my heart.
Sorry for my stupidity here Frenchie, but didn't the Rangers come over and kick some butt, on French soil, when the Germans ran you over. They might be able to handle a TV show. Beisdes they are used to doing and not primping for the cameras so they will have more time to do the work. Get your comb out

Go Rangers

[Daredevil]

Tracy,

I know you were in Special Forces but I was wondering if over the course of your career you were ever in the Ranger Regiment?

If it's none of my business, sorry I asked.

[Tracy]

Originally posted by Daredevil:
Tracy,

I know you were in Special Forces but I was wondering if over the course of your career you were ever in the Ranger Regiment?

If it's none of my business, sorry I asked.

1. No.

2. My entire team was attached to B/1/75 in the spring of 1979 as amphibious warfare and underwater operations instructors. We were the 5th Squad of 1st Platoon. Kinda funny actually; our squad leader (O-3) outranked the B Company Commander. Hell, our fire team leaders outranked everybody in the platoon.

3. 1/75th experimented with "Specialty Companies" in the late 70s. Alpha was the Air Company, Bravo was the Boat Company and Charlie was the Urban CQB Company. I might add here that they could ALL do the basic tasks; the specialties meant that each Company had responsibility for the that type of equipment.

[Daredevil]

Cool, thanks for replying.

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[Frenchie]

Sorry guys I didn't mean that Rangers suck but like Tracy said Rangers have only one task. So I thought they wouldn't have as much of a chance because of this.

[SIX]

Originally posted by Frenchie:
So I thought they wouldn't have as much of a chance because of this.

Why would you think the chances were lessened because a unit has one particular mission that they are better at than anyone else in the world?

[Ranger002]

Frenchie Dude for gosh sakes quit while you're ahead...
William Hazen

By the way where are you from son. give us your background.

[MFFI]

Originally posted by Frenchie:
Sorry guys I didn't mean that Rangers suck but like Tracy said Rangers have only one task. So I thought they wouldn't have as much of a chance because of this.

So Frenchie...... are you saying that if there is an event that doesn't include a 2 hour Draeger swim and a Limpet mine that the seals wont have a chance? That also means that any event that doesnt include a downed pilot will definately not be won by the PJ's.....

It looks like a Boy Scout troop with the right mix of merit badges should have a good chance at winning!

*sheesh, if I can get an exception to policy and a few stout 10 year olds I might apply for this thing after all*

[mada61]

I still dont think your getting it frenchie not that your dumdI went through all this already with my posts so this comes from personal expierience On all these forums you have to watch your P's and Q's.Rangers dont just have one mission they do they do many and no one else tries to conduct there type of missions also they are very flexible to do whatever it takes to get the mission done and here they are

MISSION:The 75th Ranger Regiment is the nation's premier strike force,able to move across any terrain and endure any hardship necessary to complete its mission.It provides the United States with the ability to move a credible military force to any region of the world in eighteen hours.Its ability to perform both light infantry tasks and special operations allows it to plan and conduct special forces missions as well as light infantry operations assigned to airbourne,air assualt,and light infantry battalions.The Rangers can be deployed quikly to all types of terrain and weather conditions,infiltrating and assaulting by land,sea,and air.They conduct strike operations,including raids,interdictions,and personal and equipment recovery.Rangers units perform specialized light infantry missions such as securing airfields,and destroying communications centers and command and control facilities.They also conduct short-duration-reconnaissance.Ranger units operate three days in the field without resupply.Longer missions require resupply by whatever means possible.They also can conduct special operations under nuclear,biological,or chemical warfare conditions.They are also masters of the ambush and they can conduct direct action operations.

So there you have it don't get me wrong im a die hard Marine Corps fan but if you cant see that the Rangers are something special than you might be mentaly ill and remember if it absolutly has to be destroyed over night you want the RANGERS

[Frenchie]

Ok thank you that clears up some things.

[FLTCREW1]

Originally posted by MFFI:
sheesh, if I can get an exception to policy and a few stout 10 year olds I might apply for this thing after all

Pervert!!
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[c130streamer]

Ranger batt. is a job just like any other in the army they require more respect and demand more from there soldiers but remember they are the same as most joes in any airborne infantry unit, and nobody and I mean nobody stay in batt there whole career.

[rgr-jc]

I do tend to consider myself alot like the guys in R.I.P. who decided to hop on the truck during the 12 mile "ruck-run".

[rgr-jc]

I do tend to consider myself alot like the guys in R.I.P. who decided to hop on the truck during the 12 mile "ruck-run".

-jc

[Dark Helmet]

Originally posted by c130streamer:
....and nobody and I mean nobody stay in batt there whole career.

Tell that to CSM Mike Hall, who went E1 to E8 in 1/75, then went to be the CSM of the 75th Ranger Rgt.

Granted, it's rare, but not impossible.

[Sharky]

Some folks just rotate around between SF, D, and batt also. I would also have to disagree that the average Ranger is just like the average joe in a line unit or an airborne unit. Might be true nowadays but it damn sure wasn't in my time.

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[Hardrock Charlie]

I've heard that kind of "we're the same as them" mush from the airborne before. It's funny that every single time we conducted training excersises against them, we would win. Then they would say that we cheated... By the way, I won't even talk about Panama.

As I am a Ranger, I agree with you guys six days out of a week and twice on Sunday. You can't even compare guys from the Reg. versus a "regular joe" from Bragg. In fact, I seem to remember seeing the RIP drop outs being sent to the 82nd Airborne.

RLTW

[Ranger002]

C130 Hung Jumper,

A. You must be a badass because if you anywhere near a group of Rangers and you tell em dey aint no better than the 82nd you be toast in my time or....
B. You don't have much of a clue so tell us your back ground or...
C. The Ranger Regiment has gone so far down hill ( or the 82nd has improved so much ) that they're no better than the rest of the Army Which I would find VERY hard to believe
Please explain...
William Hazen

[Ranger002]

Ohh and by the way Hung Jumper,

I know plenty of bros who have spent their entire careers in Special Operations and they are true super studs believe you me. It is remotely possible to spend your entire career in the Ranger Arena (Regiment and RTB) if you don't get hurt,maimed, or killed (or burn out).Out of all the guys that I went to RIP and Batt with... only three of us were left 3 years later due to injury and turnover. Batt life is one of thee most hardest duties to do and the man that can hack it for a long time is truely exceptional or insane. No picking up cig butts on Bragg Blvd for us... WE TRAIN FOR WAR.
William Hazen

[E19]

Originally posted by Hardrock Charlie:
I've heard that kind of "we're the same as them" mush from the airborne before. It's funny that every single time we conducted training excersises against them, we would win. Then they would say that we cheated...


We heard that same BS on the SF side in FTX's against the 82nd and the 101st.

[Sharky]

Don't leave out those guys from 7th ID. I remember getting off UH-60's at Ft. Sherman and they were playing "Welcome to the jungle" by Guns and Roses on a boombox and calling us cherries as we marched by. Since we were marching, we ignored them. They paid dearly later on though. I remember this Major from 7th on Empire Range. We were doing the MILES gear thang and this Major was ringing like crazy but, he continued fighting and guiding his men. A guy in my platoon named Hartwigsen told the major to lay down because he was dead. The major started pulling rank. Hartwigsen threw him on the ground and we both flex-cuffed and gagged his ass. After the exercise he threw a fit becaus two PFC's manhandled his ass. His Batt CO called ours (LTC Hunt). Our battalion CO laughed and said he'd take care of it. He told us "nice work". We continued spanking them on a regular basis for a couple of weeks. They were actually good troops. They just forgot who they were dealing with.

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[realpolypro]

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[rgr-jc]

Poly,
It was just a failed attempt at sarcasm. I'm not going to say anthing bad about the 82nd. I knew an older gentleman who jumped into France and took a few bullets. I will say that airborne school back then wasn't the vacation it is now. Alot of the guys that DROPPED OUT of our R.I.P. class went to the 82nd. On the flip side, we had NCO's come over from 82nd and some of them were damn good guys.

-jc

[c130streamer]

listen to you ranger hazen sounds like you where the only real soldier in the army, give me a break I served 8 years on active duty all on airborne statis went to lots of schools and let me tell you, I met some true hardcore troops from regular unit and some true fairys from batt. or S.F, get real.

[MadMatt]

Originally posted by Sharky:
Don't leave out those guys from 7th ID. I remember getting off UH-60's at Ft. Sherman and they were playing "Welcome to the jungle" by Guns and Roses on a boombox and calling us cherries as we marched by.



Sharky. We got them back when they got off the birds at Rio Hato. My Co (C) had just linked back up with the rest of 3rd a couple days after Torrijos jump and commandancia. They had to walk our gauntlet. We were all dirty and muddy and they walked off the birds with starched BDUs and spitshined boots. I'm pretty sure they had just came from Ord and weren't the ones at Sherman. They all smelled like soap and kiwi and we were laughing at them and telling them to keep their heads and asses down. Good guys but we always enjoyed fucking with the legs.
You know.

Mad Matt

[Ted]

Hell... in SF, you get TDY for walking across the street to the chow hall.

[Sharky]

Matt, if that's the case, they paid twice. LOL I believe the incident I mentioned was the summer of 89.

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[Ranger002]

Hung Jumper,

Talk trash all you want. I do agree that all units have good and poor including Rangers and as for you big boy well we can settle this when we meet. :-) Now I was not the biggest stud in the Batt nor was I the worst... but I spent 15 years of my life in the Active and Reserves and I can't help it if you were not good enough to be a Ranger or Special Forces and no matter what trash you talk here... that fact remains. However that being said... if you feel you need to get on here and bad mouth me or anybody else well go ahead :-) that still won't make you one of us. I deal with guys like you all the time...PS. It sounds like you might have served with my little brother Robert Hazen in which case I'll put you in touch with him and he'll tell you how he got over his "Ranger/SF envy" LOL. He served for 6 years all of it in the Airborne and with some of my bros. He went to SOTIC and a whole hell of alot of schools and I am very proud of him. We Hazens stick together though, so watch what you say to him. He is only little in terms of age LOL.
William Hazen

[Tracy]

Originally posted by Ted:
Hell... in SF, you get TDY for walking across the street to the chow hall.

SF Wet Dream: Low Intensity Conflict in a High Per-Diem Area.

SF Nightmare: "Rations and Quarters Available"

7th ID Nightmare: 1986: Operation Celtic Cross 2. Six weeks of spanking 12,000 light night fighters. All it took was 225 Snake Eaters and three companies of Rangers.


I do know I NEVER saw those massive per-diem payouts everyone talks about... Hell, in some AOs I had to PAY the government to stay in-country (Liberia, Morocco, Tunisia, Rhodesia, Iraq, Somalia, etc.)

[Hardrock Charlie]

Sharky,

Were you with 2nd Batt. on that Panama depoyment back during the Summer of 89"? If so, I remember you guys coming to Hunter and living in the Tent City. We (1/75) were getting ready for a little trip to the Middle East. We were all bummed out because we thought 2nd Batt. was going down there to take it to Noriega. We were all chapped that we couldn't go too. In fact, I think we were on RRF 1 at the time...

[MadMatt]

Originally posted by Sharky:
I believe the incident I mentioned was the summer of 89.



Yep. The one were we jumped into Gatun and did the night movement through the jungle. (Black Palm memories)
I slammed into the side of the 141 and split my lip and landed 2 feet from the French Canal. After woopin ass on the 7th ID, they threw a rock at a Killer Bee hive they knew we had to walk through to get to our exfill. Ever since that movement through the Killer Bees I've had nothing but hatred for those nasty leg 7th ID bastards. A few Rangers were hospitalized and a whole family of Panamanian street vendors were near death I heard. I'll never forget looking over at Cpt. Dochnal and seeing him swinging his PC at the bees. They were frickin everywere. We found out the only way to get through them without getting hit was to light a cig and walk through calmly.
The good ol days.
Mad Matt

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[Sharky]

Hardrock, negative. I was A Co. 3rd Batt.

Matt, thats the one bro. The chaplain wound up landing in a tree suspended over the water of Gatun lake. If I remember corectly there were several A teams from 10th and 7th groups on that op also. That was the firsyt time I saw anyone jump weapons exposed. Wasn't that the time that we played around with 7th groups little folding kayaks? I flipped upside down in one and damn near drowned. LOL

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[Tracy]

Originally posted by GUY JONES:
The good ole "KLIPPER KAYAKS"!

GUY
DOL

Klepper Sea Canoes. Made in Reisenberg Germany; about 50km down the road from Bad Tolz.

You aren't a sea canoeist until you flip one of those SOBs in open water and try to get back in...

[Sharky]

Originally posted by Tracy:
Klepper Sea Canoes. Made in Reisenberg Germany; about 50km down the road from Bad Tolz.

You aren't a sea canoeist until you flip one of those SOBs in open water and try to get back in...



Does that mean I'm Sea Canoeist qual'ed? LMAO They had those damn rubber skirts on them to keep the water out but unfortunately it also kept me from falling out. I never did fall out, just somehow remembered while I was in the process of drowning how to use my paddle to roll the damn thing back over. The hell of it was that when I finally rolled the thing back upright there was a guy from 10th group about 10 feet away looking at me. I actually thought he looked disappointed that I didn't drown out. Probably a fuckin Medic. Sick bastards. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif



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[ED18D]

L.M.A.O!!

[MadMatt]

Originally posted by Sharky:
Hardrock, negative. I was A Co. 3rd Batt.

Matt, thats the one bro. The chaplain wound up landing in a tree suspended over the water of Gatun lake.



Yep, the Chaplain was my jump master that night. What they told me had happened was our 141 was not in proper formation. We were the last bird and we were lower than all the others in front. When the pilot discovered what was going on, he lurched the 141 skyward right as myself and the Chaplain were going out the door (I was next to last right before him) and I went face first into the side of the 141. He came over to check on me in the aid station when I was getting my stitches the next day after the op. He told me that every time I look in the mirror and see that scar I can blame the airforce and he told me what happened cause I had no clue.
Do you remember that Chaplains name ? He was the same one that had a bad landing at Rio Hato too and broke or sprained his foot but I think he ended up securing one of the ZPU AAA on the DZ or helped do so.
Mad Matt

[Sharky]

Can't remember his name. My most vivid memory of him is when we were doing a live fire in Puerto Rico. Our PL took a left turn one hill too early and the 105 arty that was supposed to prep the OBJ suddenly started impacting and walking right toward us. I remember our LT (Rowe) calmly watching it impact. The chaplain turned and screamed "run for it boys, we're all gonna die!" And run we did. No casualties but it did scare the hell out of all of us. I ran right beside the chaplain cause he was praying as hard as he was running. We later got our revenge on some cattle that were grazing on the range. The medics loved working on those cows. Sick bastards.

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