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adhoc
19 April 2001, 17:19
Has anyone ever heard of this? A jump that occured in 1974 over Sicily DZ by 5th SFG(A). An 8 man stick, out of a 123 where the first 7 static lines were connected to the following mans D ring. Then the opening shock of the last chute (connected to the cable)caused a "daisy chain reaction" to open the other chutes. Seems ergonomically impossible to me- as in splat.

Tracy
19 April 2001, 20:09
I don't know about 7 personnel, but 3 people out in a daisy-chain will DEFINITELY put 3d jumper REAL close to the ground: i.e. 1 or 2 seconds under canopy.

God help the jumper if his predecessor has a malfunction.

Believe me, I have first-hand experience with daisy chains.

E19
19 April 2001, 21:36
PTSD (Post Tramatic Splat Disorder)

mcdude
20 April 2001, 04:12
I know of several incidents of this happening, but not the one cited above.

Daisy chains were a 'cheap thirll' back in the day. They are big-time taboo, now days. Hell, you can't even mention it, whenever you are on Green Ramp. Ft. Bragg (read-Division )has the "Jump Nazis" out there, trying to 'de-certify' every jumpmaster out there.

My, how times have changed....

Tracy
23 April 2001, 18:07
Originally posted by E19:
PTSD (Post Tramatic Splat Disorder)

Or:
Sudden Deceleration Injury.

adhoc
23 April 2001, 18:37
Since this person is still walking (and climbing mountains) I figured there was no way.

adhoc
24 April 2001, 11:31
ok. 90 lbs of tourque to open a chute is plausible under last mans openning shock. And about 150 ft of static line X's 7 jumpers out of a high performance aircraft at what, 3000 ft.?

colmurph
19 May 2001, 14:52
Somebody might have gotten away with something like that in the '60's but not the 70's. We made a lot of jumps at Sicily on calm days from 5,000 feet to play around with the MC-1's and it could be done with an 8 man stick from that altitude but I sure wouldn't want to be #8. I've seen it done with one guy attached to the D ring but both jumpers got an Article 15's for doing it and the Jumpmaster was reprimanded for missing it on the JM check in the A/C. Sounds like a "War Story" to me. Even a demo team wouldn't have been allowed to do something stupid like that.

Spotlight_Ranger
19 May 2001, 21:33
I heard of it being done in the 50s, and it was usually said about guys in the 101st, yes they used to be airborne. The best stories I heard about at Bragg in the 60s was the attempts to rob the division payroll.

RAT
19 May 2001, 21:45
I too have heard of it done. But it was out of the OV-10. So after the Jump Master finished his check they would hook up to each others D ring. Never saw it, just SCUTTLEBUTT.

RAT OUT!!!

realpolypro
19 May 2001, 23:27
I asked...no one was willing to try http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/frown.gif

Sharky
20 May 2001, 18:44
There was an incident in 88 over Fryar involving a SGT Jackson and a SPC Rogers. Jackson was PM on a 130 tailgate and hooked into Rogers' main lift web and jumped. Rogers shit his pants. Jackson got an article 15. They forgave him for that one, but when he threw 2 CS grenades into a club in OK City while home on leave, they weren't so forgiving.

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Dark Helmet
20 May 2001, 22:50
Originally posted by Sharky:
There was an incident in 88 over Fryar involving a SGT Jackson and a SPC Rogers. Jackson was PM on a 130 tailgate and hooked into Rogers' main lift web and jumped. Rogers shit his pants.


Fin-boy....

I am curious, was Rogers pulled out of the plane as/before Jackson's pack tray deployed, or was he able to hang on? I'm thinking with the straight-shot off the ramp inherent in tailgate jumping, he was pulled right out(?)

Either way, it must have been funny as hell, albeit dangerous.

Sharky
21 May 2001, 01:27
Tack.....I wasn't there to see it but the word I got was that Rogers didn't go out. Musta been a helluva yank though huh? LOL Matter of fact, if memory serves Rogers had to unhook and go sit down. I cant remember if he made the jump in another stick or not. I was in another bird.

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