The vast SF phoney conspiracy

[SixfootTwo]

I frequently read the Marine Corps "Recon Scout/Sniper Wannabe" page, and I listen to 'em BS around about the billions of phoneys out there hiding behind their keyboards. So this inspired me to get an account at Yahoo, cruise the chat rooms and see for myself. You wouldn't belive what I found out.

There must have been 50,000 SF, and Ranger phoneys logged on during the wee hours of 3November, and that is probably a low figure. I mean these bastards are everywhere.
Now I am not a Ranger or SF soldier, and I have never even been in the military. I do however know enough from reading these boards to get a good idea on what is true and what is not. These boards are the most pure on the net. Phoneys, and trolls are crushed quickly, and without mercy. An awsome recourse indeed. I just wanted to complement the Admin, and all the other folks for keeping these boards so clean. Its truly one of a kind, and I am glad I am welcome here, and I will ALWAYS abide by the rules to ensure that I always will be.

I would like to know more about what I can do to help stomp the phoneys, or if I should just stay out of it all together?

[Sharky]

Your comments are appreciated. We try hard to keep the posers in check here. Most will see right away when they look at the old threads that they have no chance here. They will be exposed and deleted within hours if not sooner. I admit, sometimes mistakes are made. When that happens, very seldom, I've never seen an instance that there wasn't a public apology to whomever was affected.

If you suspect someone of being a phony in a chat room simply save the conversation and e-mail it to the website. The guys there can decide for themselves whether he is or not or, can have their own conversation with him later. It's kind of hard to prove in most instances without knowledge of details that only a BTDT would know.

Glad to see you are enjoying your time here. Glad to have you.

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[Ace]

Six,
I and the other Admin guys appreciate your post. Let me clarify a few things for you and others in similar circumstances.

You will always have the people who claim to be something they do not have the intestinal fortitude to try and accomplish themselves. Is that wrong? of course. Does that mean we should try and bust all of them? In my opinion, no. As the old saying goes, no harm, no foul, and in general most of them are harmless.
Now, you also have that XX% that gain something in the process of being a phoney. Whether that gain be monetary, jobs, preferential treatment, or in some cases food and lodging from other BTDT's.
When Sharky came to visit, my wife said, "are you crazy? you dont even know him, you met him on the Internet", I told her that he is a former Ranger (which I verified), and that is good enough for me.

BTDT's share a common bond that is universal within the community, we accomplished something that most won't even try, and for someone else to gain from our accomplishments in unacceptable, period.

To make a long story short, should you try and bust out an old guy sitting at the American Legion who, after having a few, embellishes his story? No, not in my opinion.
Should a guy that puts something on a resume, that is a fabrication in order to increase his chances of being hired, be dragged thru the mud and disgraced? Your damn right he should, because HE put himself in that position, not me.
This is my opinion, and mine alone, I do not claim to speak for or on behalf of the others guys here.

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Remembering and forever proud, those whose motto’s thusly read: "de oppresso liber, we do not quit, and we lead the way..."

[Ranger002]

6'2",

Thanks for the post.My advice is do not waste your time with chat rooms or the like. I only go after those who use thier poser BS to advance themselves in some way. And though I appreciate your offer of help the best thing you can do is enlist and serve your country and leave the poser busting to the BTDT's. God Bless
William Hazen

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[Almighty Bones]

Originally posted by RangerHazen:
God Bless
William Hazen

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but he cursed us all with the Disco Ranger!!

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http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/skull.gif Bones (NOT A BTDT)

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[longrange1947]

I'll add another reason for busting them out. When you hire someone based on his lies and he can not perform, or worse yet performs to a level that is dangerous to those around, then he needs to be busted out.

I worked contract for three years after retiring form the Uncle Sugar business. You gain a new appreciation for lieing little pieces of dung when you are stuck with a guy that can not perform and thus you must have others pick up his slack. You send him out on the first thing smoking, but the damage is done. Now your people are pissed and the country that hired you wonders what the f**k, can't control your own people. The organization that hired this dick wad wonders why there is a problem, he said he was so and so. Thus he must be so and so.

Busting these guys out is a service that should not be taken lightly nor done quietly. Too many organizations do not have the resources to thoughly check on some backgrounds. It must be done in house and through these boards.

Luckily, Uncle Sugar rehired me in a civilian capacity to do what I had been doing on active and on contract. Life is good and I get to play with really neat stuff. ;-)

Again enough gibberish. I shut up now. :-)



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Hold Hard Guys

Rick B

[Tracy]

To emphasize what Rick and Ace said: Embellishing your life for some Glory P*ssy is an inalienable right.

But when you put that story to paper, resume, curricula vitae for the purpose of gaining favor, employment or training; now you're a very dangerous problem that WE will solve.

Good Example: Jared Chandler is a supposedly 'experienced' special operations soldier, with experience in counter narco-terrorism operations in South America. He claims that he is an 18B SF Weapons Sergeant by OJT, because he NEVER went to the Q Course or SFAS.

Here's the problem, he is a movie technical advisor in Hollywood. He has BS'd the entire community into thinking that he's a bad-ass commando. He's a washed-out ex-ROTC Cadet who joined a reserve unit in Burbank to fulfill his service obligation to the Army when he quit ROTC.

The bad thing about posers is that sooner or later other people ask them for training. Chandler is no different. He and some of his stooges conned the LA Sheriff's Department into training them on helo operations. One deputy was injured during training because Chandler doesn't know sh*t about air-mobility operations. That deputy was on the disabled list for almost a year.

Whenever posers get someone hurt or killed, the trainees point the finger at the Army, Marines, Navy, etc. not the poser. They complain that we are crazy and get people killed for nothing. It also sours the relationship between Law Enforcement and DoD; and right now the Cops need all the help they can get.

In Chandler's case, as well as Steve Goyen and Matt Anderson, the movie industry accepts their word as the truth on how we, DoD, conduct operations and put it up on the big screen. Do we want posers and wannabes representing us? Not me. Chandler's excuse is that he serves as a "smoke screen" to protect real-world methods and techniques. Pure bullshit. 95% of our methods and techniques are unclassified. WHERE we use them is classified.

Chandler went as far as to claim he was a Scout Sniper, a Marine Corps designation. He never, EVER, had any sniper training. Can you imagine the damage he could have caused if he started training personnel in sniper ops? The Marine Scout Sniper Association saw the implication immediately and nuked his ass.

Posers are not good for anyone or anything. Defending them is folly, exposing them is a public service.

[Daredevil]

Originally posted by Tracy:
The bad thing about posers is that sooner or later other people ask them for training. Chandler is no different. He and some of his stooges conned the LA Sheriff's Department into training them on helo operations. One deputy was injured during training because Chandler doesn't know sh*t about air-mobility operations. That deputy was on the disabled list for almost a year.

Posers are not good for anyone or anything. Defending them is folly, exposing them is a public service.



That part about the Sheriff's Dept. was something I don't remember reading when Chandler came up before. I hope some kind of legal action was taken against him. Lawsuit perhaps?

I'm glad I have you guys to check with about someone's credentials.

[Ranger002]

Folks,

Jared is still at it. He is currently working on a film for Revolution Studios. Later today I will post the details should you desire to have a chat with folks there regarding your views on posers. As far as I Know there are still some LE actions pending but (lucky for this sleazebag) since Sept 11th priorities have changed. That does not stop you from expressing your God Givin First Amendmant protected opinion...Remember "Combat Missons"
Sadly unlike Jared I have to tell the truth and stay within the bounds of the law which is the reason this guy has skated for so long because he does not.
William Hazen
I am the POSER TERMINATOR and in the spirit in one of my favorite films.... I absolutly WILL NOT STOP until JARED is out of business as a TECH ADVISOR...

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[Ranger002]

PS. Jared when you read this... SUE ME.

PLEASE? PRETTY PRETTY PLEASE...
William Hazen

[Bravo Five Romeo]

The anonimity of the internet has made it easier for wannabes to pose as the real deal, (read my profile... am I really an ex Ranger who is married and manages a club in New York, or am I a pimply faced 16 year old living in my mom's basement in Peoria?) but at least the internet provides us with sites like this one where a phony can be dragged out into the light. Before everyone was on the internet, if you knew some guy at work who bragged about his bullshit SF exploits you couldn't prove him wrong. Now if you meet a suspected phony you can go online and contact veterans groups and schools and bust the guy quickly.

It's a double edged sword... the internet has given all the phonies a place to play and created more phonies than ever before, but the internet provides us with more resources to bust them than ever before

Whne Blackhawk Down comes out we'll have thousands of phony TF Ranger veterans crawling out of the woodwork

[ms6073]

Originally posted by RangerHazen:
Jared is still at it. He is currently working on a film for Revolution Studios. Later today I will post the details should you desire to have a chat with folks there regarding your views on posers.

William Hazen


I for one am curious to know the details. But I am also curious to know how Chandler continues to successfully ply his "trade" with so many in the community rallied against him! Has it gotten to the point were his resume of film credits now speak enough to get him in the door?

Finally, I have to ask you Ranger Hazen, why do you invite him to sue? I realize that the facts more than adequately support your arguments/objections against Jared. I probably dont have to remind you of the fact that we often read or hear about court cases where someone has spared no expense to field a "dream team" of legal expertise in order to prevail from what most would agree was the wrong side of the law!

[Sapper12B]

RangerHazen,

What's the deal with Combat Missions? A close friend of mine that was in the TAC unit with me (PD) actually got picked to go to CA for a 2 week evaluation to be on the show. I don't watch much tv, so I didn't watch. He had some very eye opening comments about the show and the folks who showed up to play.

[Tracy]

Originally posted by ms6073:
...Finally, I have to ask you Ranger Hazen, why do you invite him to sue?...


Chandler and Company have a habit of filing frivolous lawsuits; but cancel them at the last minute when they realize we're very freaking serious and willing to go to court. They're under investigation by the FBI, Army CID, ATF, and California DOJ right now as we speak for arms violations, fraudulent documentation and claims.

As to Chandler's success; yes, he plies his trade now trying to emphasize what a great TA he is. John Milius, a big-shot producer, is Chandler's sugar-daddy and protects him by vouching for his authenticity and giving him an 'in' with other producers and directors.

There are many military technical advisors who served proudly in the Armed Forces and now try to make an honest living in Hollywood. Chandler sabotages them every chance he gets. So, a phony ruins the careers and opportunities for real-deals, while playing along his boy friends telling them he'll make them a star or get them work on 'his' next movie.

What better reason to go after Chandler and his Band of Merry Sycophants?

Any chance I get, I cheerfully return the favor and sabotage every effort of his to make money in La-La Land. The ironic part is that I'm a software engineer with no star aspirations. Call it a hobby...

[Ranger002]

I invite Jared to sue because he will lose and he knows it.Dream team or not everything the man has said about his background and training is a lie. The reason Jared hovers around like a fly around shit is the old adage it aint what you know it's who you know...Along the way he uses you until you have nothing left and then moves on to the next sucker. Right now he left the other two bozo's Anderson and Goyem behind and he now works with some ex-Air Force or Navy Fly Boy Bozo by the name of Dave Kennedy. I sent Mr. Kenndy my bonafides over a year ago while they were on the set of "Behind Enemy Lines" warning him about Chandler.Sadly like most whores he is willing to overlook Chandlers lies in order to get his shot at Hollywood. Right now they are both Tech-Advisors for the film Triple-X which is being financed by Revolution Studios. If Jeff Rambo wishes he can bring up the old Chandler thread so you new guys have some background on this. And thank God for Tracy he was a HUGE help in getting LE involved and I can't wait to toast him on this.
William Hazen

[Gary]

Still up.

http://www.geocities.com/stamarine/

Last name towards the bottom.

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[ms6073]

Ranger Hazen and Tracy,

Thanks for the intel dump - now I can say that I understand the show!

Tell you what, if these guys are doing anything related to aviation or safety of lfight, get the FAA involved - they dont play. Often times all it takes is heresay from a third party indicating that they jeopardized air safety, sort of like a comment about how "they were flying too low over my house" or the aircraft are not airworthy to the local Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) and those guys are toast! Can you say emergency revocation of certificates!

[Harry56]

I have a good one for y'all. Recently after a workout I had to stop by work to grab some paperwork. I had on a black sweatshirt that says Special Forces on it that my son picked up for me 2 years ago at Ft Bragg.
An asshole at the customer svc area saw it and asked me what group I was in, I told him I had at one time been affiliated with the 10th. He started spouting off about me not being authorized to wear a sweatshirt since I wasn't Q-qualified, and was "just a goddamned cook".
Me being the professional and try to be quiet individual, I just walked away, got my shit and left the building. This pissed him off and he made the mistake I was hoping for, and upon exiting the store my security personnel apprehended him for attempting to leave the store with merchandise. He was so mad he tried to leave without paying for his special ops game!!!! I have since found out from friends in LE here that he is a trouble maker that is constantly challenging soldiers that frequent the local bars, and the bastard has NEVER even been on a base let alone taken the asvab.
I feel it safe to say that most of these wannnabees have a very low tolerance when called-out and can go from zero to idiot very quick when you challenge them back in the right manner. I've found that the average wannabee GT score hovers in the low-high 70's whereas a BTDT is usually (by regs if I remember correctly) 110 or higher.
Needless to say I have taken one off the streets for a little while and am going to prosecute to the fullest extent. I've spoken with Bubba at the local lockup and he is very pleased that I will be sending him a present for Christmas.

[colmurph]

Harry 56

GR8 job! I just love it when somebody flames one of those bastards. BTW, it's easier to qualify for OCS than it is for SF. You'll find that most folks in group are in the top 2% of the Army as a whole as far as IQ goes.

Murph

[Daredevil]

Originally posted by colmurph:
Harry 56

GR8 job! I just love it when somebody flames one of those bastards. BTW, it's easier to qualify for OCS than it is for SF. You'll find that most folks in group are in the top 2% of the Army as a whole as far as IQ goes.

Murph

That's always the impression I got from talking to Real Deal guys. Most of the phonies I've seen seem like they're barely capable of dressing themselves.

This Chandler guy is something else. He can't blame it on stupidity, just a complete lack of scruples.

[Harry56]

Okay guys,
I just recieved my monthly copy of V.F.W. magazine, November issue pg 18 and the featured article is "Exposing the "RAMBO WANNABES" by Tim Dyhouse. He gives detailed accounts of prosecutions for this CRIME! Like police chiefs, judges, Pulitzer prize winners, and a U.S. Representive from Oregon.
Now if these pricks can be exposed this Chandler guy has got to go. I'm game to do whatever it takes to get the stick moving out the door!
It also gives the following sites for S&D on these bastards: www.cyberseals.org;www.pownetwork.org; (http://www.cyberseals.org;www.pownetwork.org;)
It lists the following for "how to expose a phony vet";www.cyberseals.org, www.pownetwork.org, (http://www.pownetwork.org,) www.phoneyveterans.org, (http://www.phoneyveterans.org,) or http://members,home.net/mohmedal/shame.htm
Among the list of wannabes is actor Brian Dennahy of Rambo fame who apoligized in 1999 for given a ficticious account of service with the USMC in Korea.

[Harry56]

Thanks Sir,
All in a days work!!!! He's coming up for trial here soon, and with my newfound info on wannabes, I'm contacting a friend of mine to see what I can do about bringing those charges to bear if the company will go along with it... Originally posted by colmurph:
Harry 56

GR8 job! I just love it when somebody flames one of those bastards. BTW, it's easier to qualify for OCS than it is for SF. You'll find that most folks in group are in the top 2% of the Army as a whole as far as IQ goes.

Murph

[Tracy]

While I won't go into details, Mr. Chandler's Hollywood job prospects got very, very dim two days ago.

Maybe he'll get the message and take up a another career in say, animal husbandry...

That's the one thing he and the Taliban have in common: It takes a lot of patience to hunt them down, but the look on their face is priceless when you finally slam-dunk 'em.

[ms6073]

Ah common Tracy, dont go and hold out on us now. If Mr. Chandler has crossed the law one too many times or simply fallen upon hard times due to getting the worng person injured, please share the publicly available details with the rest of us.

[colmurph]

Got a back channel message from a Retired Marine Corps Col. buddy of mine yesterday asking for some help in checking out a prospective member of his Masonic Lodge. The guy had told him that he had been a POW in Vietnam and had escaped out into Thailand. Ran the name through www.pownetwork.org/bios.htm (http://www.pownetwork.org/bios.htm)
Of course the guy's name did not show up. Then ran him through Militaryusa.com Vietnam Veterans Database and the name didn't show up there either.(apparantly didn't serve in VN either) The Col. double checked, himself. (the data base lists all POW's from Vietnam era, living and dead)

Got this from the Col. today......"just ran into our @#$%^&* in the cafeteria and asked a few questions. He claims he was in VN from 68 to 71. USAF team of five in helo shot down, three died and he and Maj. survived. First he said he was stationed out of Danang but modified that to say his team operated out of Washington, DC transiting to VN when a mission was identified. And he seemed like such a nice guy. I guess my people antenna needs adjustment."

It's not just SF phonies out there, there's all kinds of "High Speed" tales being told since Sept. 11th. Stuff like that brings out the worst in some folks. Trolls living under the Ben Franklin Bridge were carying signs saying "Will work for food" "I don't do drugs, please help. God loves us all." before Sept. 11th, now the signs read "Vietnam Vet, please help." Same Trolls, new drill. None of them are older than mid 40's.

Murph

[Tracy]

Originally posted by colmurph:

...Trolls living under the Ben Franklin Bridge were carying signs saying "Will work for food" "I don't do drugs, please help. God loves us all." before Sept. 11th, now the signs read "Vietnam Vet, please help." Same Trolls, new drill. None of them are older than mid 40's.

Murph


My Mother used to be a director for Public Housing in Ventura County, CA. She has a soft spot in her heart for homeless vets. When ever someone came in to the shelter looking for a place stay and raise a family, vets went to the top of list.

She had two sure-fire ways of spotting a phony:

First: Ask for their serial number and term of service; because she had a guaranteed turnaround of four working days for an official copy of their DD-214.

Second: She'd tell them flat out they didn't get a home unless they got work. Every real vet stepped up and said "hell yes", the losers just crawled away. Their next stop after her was the employment office. She'd check on them routinely, and yank their house if they screwed off.