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riptide
3 December 2001, 12:37
Anyone heard of a Special Forces Master SGT, named Stan Goff? THere is something going around on the internet attributed to him claiming a major US conspiracy caused the WTC bombing. I can post it if you anyone wants to see it, but it is pretty incredulous BS.

quartz
3 December 2001, 13:15
Don't know of the guy, but would like to see the post. If you can't post it here, could you please email me the article or link. You may find my email under my profile.

Thanks

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Mike C
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin

Aqaba
3 December 2001, 13:27
Scroll down a few months and you'll find a short string on Stan Goff. He's for real (173rd in Vietnam, Rangers, SF, Delta.) Also a serious far-left nutcase, unfortunately.

riptide
3 December 2001, 17:08
Ok, it is long, and it is garbage. I warned you.

Stan Goff: The So-Called Evidence Is a Farce
> >
> > I'm a retired Special Forces Master Sergeant. That doesn't cut much
> > for those who will only accept the opinions of former officers on
> > military matters, since we enlisted swine are assumed to be
incapable
> > of grasping the nuances of doctrine.
> >
> > But I wasn't just in the army. I studied and taught military
science
> > and doctrine. I was a tactics instructor at the Jungle Operations
> > Training Center in Panama, and I taught Military Science at West
> > Point. And contrary to the popular image of what Special Forces
does,
> > SF's mission is to teach. We offer advice and assistance to foreign
> > forces. That's everything from teaching marksmanship to a private
to
> > instructing a Battalion staff on how to coordinate effective air
> > operations with a sister service.
> >
> > Based on that experience, and operations in eight designated
conflict
> > areas from Vietnam to Haiti, I have to say that the story we hear
on
> > the news and read in the newspapers is simply not believable. The
most
> > cursory glance at the verifiable facts, before, during, and after
> > September 11th, does not support the official line or conform to
the
> > current actions of the United States government.
> >
> > But the official line only works if they can get everyone to accept
> > its underlying premises. I'm not at all surprised about the
Republican
> > and Democratic Parties repeating these premises. They are simply
two
> > factions within a single dominant political class, and both are
> > financed by the same economic powerhouses. My biggest
disappointment,
> > as someone who identifies himself with the left, has been the tacit
> > acceptance of those premises by others on the left, sometimes
naively,
> > and sometimes to score some morality points. Those premises are
> > twofold. One, there is the premise that what this de facto
> > administration is doing now is a "response" to September 11th. Two,
> > there is the premise that this attack on the World Trade Center and
> > the Pentagon was done by people based in Afghanistan. In my
opinion,
> > neither of these is sound.
> >
> > To put this in perspective we have to go back not to September
11th,
> > but to last year or further.
> >
> > A man of limited intelligence, George W. Bush, with nothing more
than
> > his name and the behind-the-scenes pressure of his powerful
father-a
> > former President, ex-director of Central Intelligence, and an oil
> > man-is systematically constructed as a candidate, at tremendous
cost.
> > Across the country, subtle and not-so-subtle mechanisms are put
into
> > place to disfranchise a significant fraction of the Democrat's
> > African-American voter base. This doesn't come out until Florida
> > becomes a battleground for Electoral College votes, and the
magnitude
> > of the story has been suppressed by the corporate media to this
day.
> > In a decision so lacking in legitimacy, the Supreme Court will
neither
> > by-line the author of the decision nor allow the decision to ever
be
> > used as a precedent, Bush v. Gore awards the presidency of the
United
> > States to a man who loses the popular vote in Florida and loses the
> > national popular vote by over 600,000.
> >
> > This de facto regime then organizes a very interesting cabinet. The
> > Vice President is an oil executive and the former Secretary of
> > Defense. The National Security Advisor is a director on the board
of a
> > transnational oil corporation and a Russia scholar. The Secretary
of
> > State is a man with no diplomatic experience whatsoever, and the
> > former Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The other interesting
> > appointment is Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense. Rumsfeld is
> > the former CEO of Searle Pharmaceuticals. He and Cheney were
featured
> > as speakers at the May, 2000, Russian-American Business Leaders
Forum.
> > So the consistent currents in this cabinet are petroleum, the
former
> > Soviet Union, and the military.
> >
> > Based on the record of Daddy Bush, in all his guises, and the
general
> > trajectory of US foreign policy as far back as the Carter
> > Administration, I feel I can reasonably conclude that Middle
Eastern
> > and South Asian fossil fuels are one of their major preoccupations.
> > Not just because this klavern has some very direct financial
interests
> > in fossil fuel, but because they surely know that worldwide oil
> > production is peaking as we speak, and will soon begin a permanent
and
> > precipitous decline that will completely change the character of
> > civilization as we know it within 20 years.
> >
> > Even the left seems to be in deep denial about this, but the math
is
> > available. And, no, alternative energies and energy technologies
will
> > not save us. All the alternatives in the world can not begin to
> > provide more than a tiny fraction of the energy base now provided
by
> > oil. This makes it more than a resource, and the drive to control
> > what's left more than an economic competition.
> >
> > I further conclude that the economic colonization of the former
Soviet
> > Union is probably high on that agenda, and in fact has a powerful
> > synergy with the issue of petroleum. Russia not only holds vast
> > untapped resources that beckon to imperialism in crisis, it remains
a
> > credible military and nuclear challenger in the region.
> >
> > We have not one, but three members of the Bush de facto cabinet
with
> > military credentials, which makes the cabinet look quite a lot like
a
> > military General Staff. All this way before September 11th.
> >
> > Then there's the subject of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
> > NATO might have expected consignment to the dustbin of the Cold War
> > after the Eastern Bloc shattered in 1991. Peace dividend and all
that.
> > But it didn't. It expanded directly into the former states of the
> > Eastern Bloc toward the former Soviet Union, and contributed
> > significant forces to the devastation of Iraq-a key country in the
> > world oil market, over which control translates into the ability to
> > manipulate oil prices.
> >
> > NATO is a military formation, and the United States exerts the
> > controlling interest in it. It seemed like a form without a
function,
> > but it remedied that pretty quickly.
> >
> > Then when Yugoslavia refused to play ball with the International
> > Monetary Fund, the US and Germany began a systematic campaign of
> > destabilization there, even using some of the veterans of
Afghanistan
> > in that campaign.
> > NATO became the military arm of that agenda-the break-up of
Yugoslavia
> > into compliant statelets, the further containment of the former
Soviet
> > Union, and the future pipeline easement for Caspain Sea oil to
Western
> > European markets through Kosovo.
> >
> > You see, this is important to understand, and people-even those
> > against the war talk-are tending to overlook the significance of
it.
> > NATO is not a guarantor of international law, and it is not a
> > humanitarian organization.
> >
> > It is a military alliance with one very dominant partner. And it
can
> > no longer claim to be a defensive alliance against European
> > socialists. It is an instrument of military aggression.
> >
> > NATO is the organization that is now going to thrust further along
the
> > 40th parallel from the Balkans through the Southern Asian Republics
of
> > the former Soviet Union. The US military has already taken control
of
> > a base in Uzbekistan. No one is talking about how what we are doing
> > seems to be a very logical extension of a strategy that was already
in
> > motion, and has been in motion for two decades. Once we recognize
the
> > pattern of activity designed to simultaneously consolidate control
> > over Middle Eastern and South Asian oil, and contain and colonize
the
> > former Soviet Union, Afghanistan is exactly where they need to go
to
> > pursue that agenda.
> >
> > Afghanistan borders Iran, India, and even China but, more
importantly,
> > the Central Asian Republics of the former Soviet Union, Uzbekistan,
> > Turkmenistan and Tajikistan. These border Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan
> > borders Russia. Turkmenistan sits on the Southeastern quadrant of
the
> > Caspian Sea, whose oil the Bush Administration dearly covets.
> >
> > Afghanistan is necessary for two things: as a base of operations to
> > begin the process of destabilizing, breaking off, and establishing
> > control over the South Asian Republics, which will begin within the
> > next 18-24 months in my opinion, and constructing a pipeline
through
> > Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan to deliver petroleum to the
> > Asian market.
> >
> > The BBC was recently told by Niaz Naik, a Pakistani Foreign
Secretary,
> > that senior American officials were warning them as early as
mid-July
> > that military action for mid-October was being planned for
> > Afghanistan. In 1996, the Department of Energy was issuing reports
on
> > the desirability of a pipeline through Afghanistan, and in 1998,
> > Unocal testified before the House Subcommittee on Asia and the
Pacific
> > that this pipeline was crucial to transport Caspian Basin oil to
the
> > Indian Ocean.
> >
> > Given this evidence that a military operation to secure at least a
> > portion of Afghanistan has been on the table, possibly as early as
> > five years ago, I can't help but conclude that the actions we are
> > seeing put into motion now are part of a pre-September 11th agenda.
> > I'm absolutely sure of that, in fact. The planning alone for
> > operations, of this scale, that are now taking shape, would take
many
> > months. And we are seeing them take shape in mere weeks.
> >
> > It defies common sense. This administration is lying about this
whole
> > thing being a "reaction" to September 11th. That leads me, in short
> > order, to be very suspicious of their yet-to-be-provided evidence
that
> > someone in Afghanistan is responsible. It's just too damn
convenient.
> > Which also leads me to wonder-just for the sake of knowing-what
> > actually did happen on September 11th, and who actually is
> > responsible.
> >
> > The so-called evidence is a farce. The US presented Tony Blair's
> > puppet government with the evidence, and of the 70 so-called points
of
> > evidence, only nine even referred to the attacks on the World Trade
> > Center, and those points were conjectural. This is a bullshit story
> > from beginning to end. Presented with the available facts, any
16-year
> > old with a liking for courtroom dramas could tear this story apart
> > like a two-dollar shirt. But our corporate press regurgitates it
> > uncritically. But then, as we should know by now, their role is to
> > legitimize.
> >
> > This cartoon heavy they've turned bin Laden into makes no sense,
when
> > you begin to appreciate the complexity and synchronicity of the
> > attacks. As a former military person who's been involved in the
> > development of countless operations orders over the years, I can
tell
> > you that this was a very sophisticated and costly enterprise that
> > would have left what we call a huge "signature".
> >
> > In other words, it would be very hard to effectively conceal.
> >
> > So there's a real question about why there was no warning of this.
> > That can be a question about the efficacy of the government's
> > intelligence apparatus. That can be a question about various
policies
> > in the various agencies that had to be duped to orchestrate this
> > action. And it can also be a question about whether or not there
was
> > foreknowledge of the event, and that foreknowledge is being covered
> > up. To dismiss this concern out of hand as the rantings of
conspiracy
> > nuts is premature. And there is a history of this kind of thing
being
> > done by national political bosses, including the darling of
liberals,
> > Franklin Roosevelt. The evidence is very compelling that the
Roosevelt
> > Administration deliberately failed to act to stop Pearl Harbor in
> > order to mobilize enough national anger to enter the World War II.
> >
> > I have no idea why people aren't asking some very specific
questions
> > about the actions of Bush and company on the day of the attacks.
> >
> > Follow along:
> > Four planes get hijacked and deviate from their flight plans, all
the
> > while on FAA radar. The planes are all hijacked between 7:45 and
8:10
> > AM Eastern Daylight Time.
> >
> > Who is notified?
> > This is an event already that is unprecedented. But the President
is
> > not notified and going to a Florida elementary school to hear
children
> > read.
> >
> > By around 8:15 AM, it should be very apparent that something is
> > terribly wrong. The President is glad-handing teachers.
> >
> > By 8:45, when American Airlines Flight 11 crashes into the World
Trade
> > Center, Bush is settling in with children for his photo ops at
Booker
> > Elementary. Four planes have obviously been hijacked
simultaneously,
> > an event never before seen in history, and one has just dived into
the
> > worlds best know twin towers, and still no one notifies the nominal
> > Commander in Chief.
> >
> > No one has apparently scrambled any Air Force interceptors either.
> >
> > At 9:03, United Flight 175 crashes into the remaining World Trade
> > Center building. At
> >
> > 9:05, Andrew Card, the Presidential Chief of Staff whispers to
George
> > W. Bush. Bush "briefly turns somber" according to reporters.
> > Does he cancel the school visit and convene an emergency meeting?
No.
> > He resumes listening to second graders read about a little girl's
pet
> > fucking goat, and continues this banality even as American Airlines
> > Flight 77 conducts an unscheduled point turn over Ohio and heads in
> > the direction of Washington DC.
> > Has he instructed Chief of Staff Card to scramble the Air Force?
No.
> >
> > An excruciating 25 minutes later, he finally deigns to give a
public
> > statement telling the United States what they already have figured
> > out; that there's been an attack by hijacked planes on the World
Trade
> > Center.
> > There's a hijacked plane bee-lining to Washington, but has the Air
> > Force been scrambled to defend anything yet? No.
> >
> > At 9:30, when he makes his announcement, American Flight 77 is
still
> > ten minutes from its target, the Pentagon.
> >
> > The Administration will later claim they had no way of knowing that
> > the Pentagon might be a target, and that they thought Flight 77 was
> > headed to the White House, but the fact is that the plane has
already
> > flown South and past the White House no-fly zone, and is in fact
> > tearing through the sky at over 400 nauts.
> >
> > At 9:35, this plane conducts another turn, 360 degrees over the
> > Pentagon, all the while being tracked by radar, and the Pentagon is
> > not evacuated, and there are still no fast-movers from the Air
Force
> > in the sky over Alexandria and DC.
> >
> > Now, the real kicker: A pilot they want us to believe was trained
at a
> > Florida puddle-jumper school for Piper Cubs and Cessnas, conducts a
> > well-controlled downward spiral, descending the last 7,000 feet in
> > two-and-a-half minutes, brings the plane in so low and flat that it
> > clips the electrical wires across the street from the Pentagon, and
> > flies it with pinpoint accuracy into the side of this building at
460
> > nauts.
> >
> > When the theory about learning to fly this well at the
puddle-jumper
> > school began to lose ground, it was added that they received
further
> > training on a flight simulator.
> > This is like saying you prepared your teenager for her first drive
on
> > I-40 at rush hour by buying her a video driving game. It's horse
shit!
> >
> > There is a story being constructed about these events. My crystal
ball
> > is not working today, so I can't say why.
> >
> > But at the least, this so-called Commander-in-Chief and his staff
that
> > we are all supposed to follow blindly into some ill-defined war on
> > terrorism is criminally negligent or unspeakably stupid. And at the
> > worst, if more is known or was known, and there is an effort to
> > conceal the facts, there is a criminal conspiracy going on.
> >
> > Certainly, the Bush de facto administration was facing a confluence
of
> > crises from which they were temporarily rescued by this event.
Whether
> > they played a sinister role or not, there is little doubt that they
> > have at the very least opportunistically pounced on this attack to
> > overcome their lack of legitimacy, to shift the blame for the
> > encroaching recession from capitalism to the September 11th terror
> > attack, to legitimize their pre-existing foreign policy agenda, and
to
> > establish and consolidate repressive measures domestically and
silence
> > dissent.
> >
> > In many ways, September 11th pulled the Bush cookies out of the
fire.
> >
> > And given them the green light to begin constructing a long-term
> > scenario within which to establish fascistic control measures at
home
> > and abroad as a citadel for the ruling class in the catastrophic
> > conjuncture that we are entering based on the end of oil.
> >
> > This elephant in the living room is being studiously ignored. In
fact,
> > the domestic repression has already begun, officially and
> > unofficially. It's kind of a latter day McCarthyism. I participated
in
> > a teach-in at Chapel Hill, North Carolina, on the 17th of
September,
> > and though not a single person on the panel excused or justified
the
> > attacks, and every person there offered either condolences and
prayers
> > for the victims, we were excoriated within two days as "enemies of
> > America." Yesterday an op-ed called for my deportation (to where,
one
> > can only guess). Now Herr Ashcroft is fast tracking the biggest
> > abrogation of US civil liberties since the so-called anti-terrorism
> > legislation after the Oklahoma City bombing - which by the way
hasn't
> > resulted in anti-terrorism but in the acceleration of the
application
> > of the racist death penalty. The FBI has defined terrorist groups
not
> > by whether any given group has ever acted as terrorists, but by
their
> > beliefs. Some socialists and anti-globalization groups have already
> > been identified by name as terrorist groups, even though there is
not
> > a single shred of evidence that they have ever participated in any
> > criminal activity. It reminds me of the Smith Act that was finally
> > declared unconstitutional, but only after a hell of a lot of people
> > served a hell of a long time in jail for the crime of thinking.
> >
> > I think this also points to yet another huge problems that the Bush
> > regime was facing. Worldwide resistance to the whole so-called
> > neoliberal agenda, which is a prettied up term for debt-leverage
> > imperialism. While debt and the threat of sanctions has been used
to
> > coerce nations in the periphery, we have to understand that the
final
> > guarantor of compliance remains military action. For a global
economic
> > agenda, there is always a corresponding political and military
agenda.
> >
> > The focal point of these actions in the short term is Southern
Asia,
> > but they have already scripted this as a worldwide and protracted
> > fight against terrorism.
> >
> > It's far better than drug wars as a rationalization, and the drug
war
> > thing was being discredited in any case. Leftists are regaining
power
> > and popularity in Venezuela, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Ecuador,
> > Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Brazil, and Argentina.
Cuba
> > has gained immense prestige over the last few years. The empire is
> > beginning to unravel. We can hardly justify intervention in these
> > places by saying they are not towing the economic line by allowing
the
> > absolute domination of their societies by transnational
corporations.
> > That exposes the agenda. So we simply claim they are supporting
> > terrorism.
> >
> > It's for all these reasons I say the left has missed the boat on
this
> > one, by allowing them to get away with rushing past the question of
> > who did what on September 11th.
> >
> > If the official story is a lie, and I think the circumstantial case
is
> > strong enough to stay with this question, then we really do need to
> > know what happened. And we need to understand concretely what the
> > motives of this administration are.
> >
> > And we need to understand more than just their immediate motives,
but
> > where the larger social forces that underwrite our situation right
now
> > are headed. I do not think this administration is engaged in the
> > deliberative process of a political grouping that is on top of
their
> > game. They are putting together some very deliberative technical
> > solutions in response to a larger situation that it slipping
rapidly
> > out of their control. Like clear cutting. There's a very smart
> > technology being employed to do a very dumb thing.
> >
> > What they are responding to is not September 11th, but the
beginning
> > of a permanent and precipitous decline in worldwide oil production,
> > the beginning of a deep and protracted worldwide recession, and the
> > unraveling of the empire.
> >
> > This brings me to a point about what all this means for Americans'
> > security, which they are perfectly justified to worry about.
> >
> > The actions being prepared by this administration will not only not
> > enhance our security, it will significantly degrade it. Military
> > action against many groups across the globe, which is what the
> > administration is telling us quite openly they are planning to do,
> > will put a lot of backs against the wall. That can't be very
secure.
> >
> > The concept of war being touted here is a violation of the
principles
> > of war on several counts, and will inevitably lead to military
> > catastrophes, if you're inclined to view this from a position of
moral
> > and political neutrality.
> >
> > And the people who are now in possession of half the world's
remaining
> > oil reserves are subject to destabilization for which we can't even
> > pretend to predict the consequences-but loss of access to critical
> > energy supplies is certainly within the realm of possibility. Worst
of
> > all, we will be destabilizing Pakistan, a nuclear power in an
active
> > conflict with its neighbor, and we will be provoking Russia,
another
> > nuclear power. The security stakes don't get any higher, and
Americans
> > can ill afford to ignore nukes.
> >
> > And I think that this domestic agenda is a tremendous threat to the
> > security of anyone who is critical of the government or their
> > corporate financiers, and we already know that the real threats are
> > against populations that can easily be scapegoated as the domestic
> > crisis deepens.
> >
> > There is a very real threat right now of creeping fascism in this
> > country, and that phenomenon requires its domestic enemies.
> > Historically those enemies have included leftists, trade unionists,
> > and racially and nationally oppressed sectors. This whole "state of
> > emergency" mentality is already being used to quiet the public
> > discourses of anti-racism, of feminism, of environmentalism, and of
> > both socialism and anarchism. And while there is token resistance
by
> > officials to anti-Muslim xenophobia, the stereotypical images have
> > saturated the media, and the government is already beginning to
openly
> > re-instate racial profiling. It is only a short step from there to
go
> > after other groups. We have long been prepared by the ideologies of
> > overt and covert racism, and racism as both institution and
> > corresponding psychology in the United States is nearly
intractable.
> >
> > It's for all these reasons that I say emphatically that we can not
> > accept anything from this administration; not their policies nor
their
> > bullshit stories. What they are doing is very, very dangerous, and
the
> > time to fight back against them, openly, is right now, before they
can
> > consolidate their power and their agenda. Once they have done that,
> > our job becomes much more difficult.
> >
> > The left, if it has the capacity to self-organize out of its
oblivion,
> > needs to understand its critical roles here. We have to play the
role
> > of credible, hard-working, and non-sectarian partners in a broader
> > peace-movement. We have to study, synthesize, and describe our
current
> > historical conjuncture. And we have to prepare leadership for the
> > decisive conflict that will emerge to first defeat fascism then
take
> > political power.
> >
> > Rosa Luxemburg's words are truer than ever right now. We are not
faced
> > with a choice between socialism and capitalism, but socialism or
> > barbarism.
> >
> > And what we can least afford are denial and timidity.
> >
> >

Gary
3 December 2001, 17:22
Didn't real it all, I was laughing to hard.

SixfootTwo
3 December 2001, 17:55
I didn't read the whole thing either, but when it comes to oil, nothing is a suprise anymore.

JSOCMarine
3 December 2001, 18:14
This guy Goff is crazier than a shit-house rat! Does anyone actually know him? S/F

Doc
3 December 2001, 18:31
I knew him. Served in two units with him. Believe it or not, he was actually a good soldier at one time.

He went way left of center in Haiti. Got relieved. Retired.

Came up with a book (Hideous Dream) claiming a large percentage of SF were racist. USASOC EO even disputed his claim.

The last I heard of him he was selling sunglasses on the side of the road in Fayetteville.

5% rule in effect.

Greenhat
3 December 2001, 20:29
In this guys case, maybe there should be a 1% rule for raving nutcases....

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Pugnare, Fornicare, Autmori

TheoneandonlySteve
3 December 2001, 23:37
I read the whole thing and I don't believe it! For one thing, to debunk his wild theory, I don't think it is possible for the US to economically benefit from Afghanistan. I mean what are we going to do? Build a huge pipeline in Afghanistan? Yeah right, (some old Tailban fighter would blow it up!)it would take years and most of the supposed "untapped vast oil resources" in Russia are in Siberia if I am not mistaken. What I think this man represents is obvious, but I am not going to elaborate on that....

Warmest regards to all,
HS Steve
Future AFROTC Cadet

PS...Anyone here instruct at the Green Beret Sport Parachute Club at Bragg this summer?

1026
3 December 2001, 23:45
That post is funny as hell; it sounds like the type of foolishness one encounters on political forums, with a dash of gun forum type conspiracy theory thrown in for good measure.

This BS reminds me of something which was making the internet rounds prior to Y2K; a clown who sounded like Bruce Willis professed to be an SF "A" team OIC. He was supposedly charged with fomenting riots in Times Square on New Year's Eve.

The ultimate goal was to usher in martial law, and thus the NWO. LMFAO!

Hardrock Charlie
4 December 2001, 14:56
I knew him too, except back when I knew him, he was a great soldier. He had gotten out of the military after having spent 7 years on the dark side. When he came back to the Army, he came back to the Regiment. The last I'd heard of him was that he had left 1/75 and had headed back to the dark side. I hadn't realised how far he had gone....

Hardrock Charlie
4 December 2001, 15:18
P.S. Aqaba -

Can you direct me to the piece about Stan Goff? I took a look for it by scrolling back a few months, but it seems as though I'm having some trouble. I'd really appreciate - thanks very much

abn_rngrr
4 December 2001, 15:37
A leftist Delta operative. Just when you think you've heard it all..........

Echo-8-Hotel
4 December 2001, 19:03
This fellow sounds like a founding member of the Disclosure Project.

Aqaba
4 December 2001, 19:17
Charlie -

Strange, I can't seem to find it. It was very short. I saw his book in a store last March or April and posted a "has anyone heard of this guy?" A couple of guys, including Doc42, confirmed he was the real deal.

Search the web and you'll find a nutty letter of his in Pravda arguing that Serb atrocities in Bosnia were all a Western fabrication. He's identified as a member of the International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic.

Hardrock Charlie
5 December 2001, 09:40
Wow......

He was my first Plt. Sgt. @ 1st Batt. and he was also my room mate for about 6 months.

P.S. Imagine that shit, being a cherry and having your Plt. Sgt. as a room mate.... fun times

Squelch
5 December 2001, 22:47
Oil, yeah, thats the ticket. I hear GH Bush is going to clone dinosaurs, compress their bodies like making a Cubic Ziconia and get endless quantities of oil. Yeah, and it will be cheaper cause its not really oil, but it looks the same only shinier and more sparkly.