RUCK-MARCHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[STRIDER_007]

Is ruck-marching once a week with a 100pound ruck for 10-12 miles enough??????.....or should I ruck more often?????THANKS!

[Dark Helmet]

Although I have been unimpressed with your cocky sophomoric responses in the past on other topics, I feel compelled to answer since you posed a good question without the "lip" I have come to associate with your screen name.

The answer?

It depends.

....on how fast? If you can ruck a 100-pounder for 12 miles in three hours or less, I'd say you are in good shape for the RGT. Better yet, 15 miles in 3:45.

90 lbs for the ruck is more realistic, unless you are in a WPNS squad (how big are you? The chances of getting into weapons is directly proportional to your weight).

Take care of your feet. They can make or break you. Nothing sucks more than having the energy/desire to complete the mission and having your feet bleeding, cracked, and infected.

[WS-G]

The Army's official claim in FM 21-18 and FM 21-20 is that, provided you are on a regular PT program, a ruck march twice per month is adequate. The Army further claims that there is no greater benefit to be had from ruck marching four times per month as opposed to twice per month (i.e.: once every other week, versus weekly).

Again, the main point to be aware of is that you need to do regular, frequent long-distance running. If you've got a year or two (or more) before you anticipate enlisting, the best way to prepare yourself is to develop a good solid running base first (work up to 30-40 miles per week), and then substitute cross-country/road marching with progressively increasing loads once per week --- no more than 20 pounds the first two weeks, then add 10 pounds per week after that until you can hump at least 75 pounds.

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ex Co. G (-)(Abn/Rgr), 143d INF(LRRP), TXARNG 1981-1985
ex 433MAW (AFRES), 1985-1991
FAA-certificated pilot and Advanced Ground Instructor

[STRIDER_007]

OK thanks alot, I will keep this in mind!!!!!THANKS!

[PTFreak]

Originally posted by William M Salter:
The Army's official claim in FM 21-18 and FM 21-20 is that, provided you are on a regular PT program, a ruck march twice per month is adequate. The Army further claims that there is no greater benefit to be had from ruck marching four times per month as opposed to twice per month (i.e.: once every other week, versus weekly).

Again, the main point to be aware of is that you need to do regular, frequent long-distance running. If you've got a year or two (or more) before you anticipate enlisting, the best way to prepare yourself is to develop a good solid running base first (work up to 30-40 miles per week), and then substitute cross-country/road marching with progressively increasing loads once per week --- no more than 20 pounds the first two weeks, then add 10 pounds per week after that until you can hump at least 75 pounds.




That is bullshit. The Army needs to switch it around and emphasize daily or near daily ruck marching and decrease the wussy PT done in shorts, T-shirts and running shoes. Heavy, fast ruck marching in rugged terrain builds more real world, functional stamina and even strength than any other form of PT. It is what you are going to be doing in the real world anyway most of the time if you are not in a mechanized unit.

Those Army studies by TRADOC and similar such Army commands are biased studies done by guys who dont know what they are talking about. A lot of those kinds of studies are probably done by guys who are from mechanized units who hate ruck marches. Ruck marches should be done almost daily and should be done off roads in rugged terrain. Distances should be long...up to 25 or 30 miles a day...sometimes up to 40 miles a day for a well conditioned soldier. The long, heavy ruck march in rugged terrain is the single greatest physical conditioning tool there is for military purposes. Doing it more than twice a month is essential for any functional combat conditioning.

Back in the olden days when the military was still tough, ruck marches were longer and faster and harder. Now, 15 miles is long for a lot of these guys. Pathetic.

[SpeedPhreak]

i can attest to that. although i am not in the military yet when i was in highschool i went backpacking 1 summer in a leadership class. i weighed about 135lbs & had a 80+lb pack including food (so it got lighter). i live in colorado & we did some pretty hairy stuff- most of it off trail. we covered only about 10-20 miles aday but it was everyday for a month at altitude. when i was done my squat max went up 70lbs, my endurance was dramatically increased... we ran a 15 mile trail marathon at the end & i finished w/all the cross country runners (in the top 10 some where) almost 30 min ahead of some people. i increased my max pull up by a small number & my sprint got faster too. in preperation for the military im going to start hiking w/a very heavy pack up hill at a strong pace. i feel that was one of the best things ive ever done for my body over all.

[PTFreak]

Originally posted by SpeedPhreak:
i can attest to that. although i am not in the military yet when i was in highschool i went backpacking 1 summer in a leadership class. i weighed about 135lbs & had a 80+lb pack including food (so it got lighter). i live in colorado & we did some pretty hairy stuff- most of it off trail. we covered only about 10-20 miles aday but it was everyday for a month at altitude. when i was done my squat max went up 70lbs, my endurance was dramatically increased... we ran a 15 mile trail marathon at the end & i finished w/all the cross country runners (in the top 10 some where) almost 30 min ahead of some people. i increased my max pull up by a small number & my sprint got faster too. in preperation for the military im going to start hiking w/a very heavy pack up hill at a strong pace. i feel that was one of the best things ive ever done for my body over all.

Hell yeah, preach on brother! Load that ruck and head for the rugged terrain. Screw the sissy formation runs and Army PT designed for the "kinder, gentler" military Mrs. Jones would want her "little boy" to serve in. Pick rugged terrain, hot/cold/wet/dry climatic environments and pack weights that would make Mrs. Jones cringe. Then make the men move from point A to point B FAST. Make them climb mountains, cross rivers, go through thick forests, traverse swamps and deserts. Day and night. Then do it over and over again and again. Give them plenty to eat and drink and adequate sleep. They will become fit and strong. How simple but effective. "Oh my, dont hurt my little Johnny." HAHAHAHAHA


The long forced march in rugged terrain...the greatest PT tool ever invented.

[Ringlet]

I have done ruck marches and I agree they do work well and should be done more often. Although ruck marching I dont find to be an all around conditioner. Standard PT is required for the arms such as push ups and pull ups. Other than that keep on rucking.

[Dark Helmet]

That is bullshit.

Hey PTFreak,

What unit were you in and when?

[PTFreak]

Originally posted by TackDaBoat:
Hey PTFreak,

What unit were you in and when?

Tack, I was in a special unit designed to be dropped behind enemy lines to raise hell and blow things up. It was composed of volunteers from various mental hospitals who had been deemed psychotic and anti-social in the extreme. They put us all in this unit, trained us as parachutists and trained us in demolitions and weapons and other evil ways. We were called "Force Psychotic from Naverone."

I was given the name of "Evil" for my anti-social ways after the ops and was subsequently promoted to head Evil Commando.

[RAT]

TACK,

This is our little friend Eric... He is one of Fred's best friends...
He is a follower of many and a Leader of none... I, myself have gotten into a pissing match with him. Now, I don't waste my time...
Semper Fi
RAT OUT!!!

[pn]

Don't forget MEPS reject and all-around shit-talker.

-pn

[josepy]

Does anyone else here find the weights of some of these kids rucks a little exaggerated?

I carried 1 pack on a 2 man 5 day mission that consisted of.

1. 1 Radio w/5 days of batteries
2. 14 quarts of water
3. Hide kit
4. 10 MRE's
5. Double Wobbee w/Gortez cover
6. assorted snivel gear

This pack weighed 115lbs and I did not do much with it. Insert, walk up hill, set up OP, extract.

No one is buying it, please

[WS-G]

SpeedPhreak = "Meth Monkey" perhaps? And I do believe that PTFreak must be on some serious drugs as well as requiring a reading-comprehension course.

Taking the advice those two are trying to hand out when you've never humped before is simply begging for lower back, hip, knee and ankle injuries.

Humping the 75-100 pounds is not something you can train yourself to do overnight, something which generations of soldiers have been finding out the hard way.

Without a gradual buildup, you'll never achieve the kind of condition necessary to hump those kind of loads; you'll just end up crippling yourself.

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ex Co. G (-)(Abn/Rgr), 143d INF(LRRP), TXARNG 1981-1985
ex 433MAW (AFRES), 1985-1991
FAA-certificated pilot and Advanced Ground Instructor

[PTFreak]

Originally posted by William M Salter:
SpeedPhreak = "Meth Monkey" perhaps? And I do believe that PTFreak must be on some serious drugs as well as requiring a reading-comprehension course.

Taking the advice those two are trying to hand out when you've never humped before is simply begging for lower back, hip, knee and ankle injuries.

Humping the 75-100 pounds is not something you can train yourself to do overnight, something which generations of soldiers have been finding out the hard way.

Without a gradual buildup, you'll never achieve the kind of condition necessary to hump those kind of loads; you'll just end up crippling yourself.




Yes, I am on MUCHO steroids! In fact I dont even cycle...I stay on. BWA HAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes, I can literally tear down a wall with my bare hands. I dont even need the explosive entry charge. I do 800 lb squats until blood shoots out my nose. I am a one man commando team...honest I could take on Bin Laden all by myself. I prefer hand held rocket launchers to M-16s. Just parachute me into Afghanistan by myself when I am on a cycle of roids and watch me raise hell. BWAHAHAHAHA@!!

[Dark Helmet]

Originally posted by PTFreak:
Tack, I was in a special....

Exactly what I thought.

[ZeroG]

For someone who has never rucked, around how many pounds or Kg does one start with?

[Ranger002]

Ok boys,

The poop I am reading about "training" with 100 pound rucks is utter nonsense. I am a monster of a man and I was a 60 gunner for my three years in 2nd Batt. So my rucks were quite heavy. I have posted here several times about the important need to get in "ruck shape" for service in a Batt. EIB standards will suffice. There is no need to do anythying more than that. There is no such thing as "TRAINING" with 100+ pound rucks. While a member of the Batt there will be many an occasion were you may have to carry a super heavy ruck it is not something to master but to endure. Why risk blowing out your knee or back before you get to the Batt. By the way Strider what the heck are you thinking!!!! You are still considering risking your backs health just to be hooah??? I am now close to 40 years old Strider and I am now paying for my years as a gunner with a bad neck and shoulder. So remember there is NO FREE LUNCH! For those of you that are interested I will post my ruck shape training standards if requested. You can also find them in the archives here. Structure is the watchword here gentleman.. Start easy and work your way up to the EIB standard of 60 pound ruck walking 12 miles in 2 and 1/2 hours.
William Hazen

[STRIDER_007]

Yea can you please post your standards?????THANKS!

[WS-G]

PTFreak gobbed off with I prefer hand held rocket launchers to M-16s.
More like hand-applied rocket polish, I suspect.

RAT:

I think you're right about PTFreak and Eric being one and the same. I see the same juvenile writing style (term used with reservations) as the crap Eric was posting all over the SEAL forum a few months ago.

ZeroG:

As a starting point, the Army does not allow basic trainees to carry more than 20 pounds during the first two weeks of Basic Combat Training. This weight includes weapon and helmet; the rest consists of LBE (i.e.: what's on your belt) and an almost-empty ALICE Medium (we had to wear them without the frame when I went through in 1981 - not sure whether this is still the case) containing just enough weight to bring the total load up to 20 pounds. First two road marches in BCT were limited to 3 miles. This doesn't sound like much, but then if you've never run before, you're not going to be able to just go out and run a marathon either. By the end of an eight-week training cycle, recruits are humping 40-pound loads a distance of 15 miles.

Once an individual has built up to that point, it's then possible to begin adding weight and increasing distances, and one can reasonably be able to commence the ruck-marching plan contained in the current Ranger Course Preparation Handbook, available at this URL:

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6682/handbook1.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6682/handbook2.htm

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ex Co. G (-)(Abn/Rgr), 143d INF(LRRP), TXARNG 1981-1985
ex 433MAW (AFRES), 1985-1991
FAA-certificated pilot and Advanced Ground Instructor

[This message has been edited by William M Salter (edited 05-20-2000).]

[Ranger002]

Strider,

Check William Salter's previous post.Those are the standards I am talking about. It may not seem like much ( as has been stated ) but if you follow this regimen and incorporate it into your workout program you will be in very good shape for RIP/ROP and the Batts. Good Luck
William Hazen B 2/75 Ranger
PS Strider don't get me wrong... I admire your desire to become a Ranger. I just want you to consider the risks. If you have completely made up your mind, Go for it and don't look back.

[STRIDER_007]

Thanks alot RANGERHAZEN!!!!!THANKS!

[Ringlet]

If you are looking to start, just think of the kit a regular infantry unit would carry and thats it. say the basics for start
Sleeping Bag
IMP's or MRE's
Clothes
ammo
if you dont have any of this just improvise, guess how much it would way and your set.
Ruck Marching is good but you will find you wont use energy like you do when you run(or I dont)
hope that helps

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"I was sent there to kill people, but I sure as hell hope I didn't"
"Shoot first, ask questions later"
My Grandfather

[maniac]

RangerHazen is right, the risk of permanent injury is not worth rucking 100 lbs. Besides, while I was never a Ranger, I have rucked PLENTY! 100 lbs is stupid, if you really need that much gear then your team should "share" the weight, or you should seriously re-think your packing list (I have seen guys bitching about the weight while packing a Walkman, tapes, and a huge knife that weighed at least 3 lbs).

[josepy]

So what you are saying is that is not good training to strap a 100lbs ruck on and run 10miles?

Not one of these kids has a pack that can hold a 100lbs without falling apart and if they did they could not get it off the ground.

Before the coaliton of high schoolers tramples me, I have over 1500 humping miles on my feet. If you have half that I will have myself banned from SOCNET.

One thing I alway found about studs in the military, they were studs before they went in and when they got out. They never look for the easy way to anything.

[Ranger002]

Good point Joesphy,

A stud is a stud is a stud. I take your bet on humping miles partner :-). I FEEL like I have walked around the equator once or twice ha ha ha ha ha!
William Hazen

[STRIDER_007]

Ok thanks alot for the advice!!!!!THANKS!

[josepy]

The funny thing is Strider, I piled on you again without even noticing it was you until your last post.

Maybe it is your writing style, or maybe I have seen a hundred dinks like you who just fall short. Not sure?

[STRIDER_007]

Look JOSEPY if you think I'm going to get angry you're wrong, because I'm not!And by the way I got a little carried away last time, and I do apologize, because even though I got pissed off I thought about it and you do have more experience, and probably know a little more than me,and have more knowledge on these subjects than I do!So instead of arguing with you, and becoming enemies, I rather just be cool about it, and listen to what you have to say, and maybe I'll actually pick up on anything you can tell me!!!!!THANKS!

[maniac]

Speaking of humping-many-miles...what were the hardest humps you remember. I recall being at Ft. Lewis and humping across Yakima in the winter (it really sucked), but worse still was "Casey Cut" in Korea in the rainy season (talk about chapped hide!).

[Fred]

Cross island hump in Kodiak, Alaska. White out conditions on the highest ridgeline caused us to rope up and bump along for hours like a bunch of blind mice, nice intro to snowshoeing as well.

[SpeedPhreak]

William Salter- i hope the meth monkey thing was a joke (funny, if it was). i see the way u people pick on others, now most of them may deserve it.. ie claiming to be a SEAL or a Ranger. but i dont claim to be anything but someone who has wanted to be in the military since grade school (i am now 24). a near FATAL motorcycle accident left me w/hardware in my leg & i was told i couldnt join. after i had the rod taken out of my femur i was told i could join if i pass a physical. so now i have a second chance. & i am NOT going to blow it. i am here trying to get answers to prepare my self for when i can leave (very soon i hope).

read this very carefully as im sure u probably cannot say the same thing...

i have NEVER done a SINGLE drug in my life. not a hit off a bong.. not a drop of acid.. ive smoked maybe a pack of cigarettes in my life & rarely drink. & u know what.. i go to raves all the time i am exposed to people doing drugs left & right. some former friends of mine shoot up. but its not me...

u want to know about my name.. i road race motorcycles.. not drag race or dirt race but ROAD RACE.. 130mph around a corner that if it was on a street would be marked 40 w/my knee touching. its not street racing either.. i have a number (mra#442) get purse money & have sponsors. i love to go fast. i love adrenaline.

i never once gave advice to n e 1 about rucking. i simply stated that when i was in highschool i spent a month backpacking w/a very heavy pack & i saw very good results. therefore in preperation part of MY routine is going to be hiking w/a heavy pack along w/running, swimming, weight training. plus eating right. i read & study fitness & diet more than any 1 i have ever met. so i will believe myself b4 i throw out everything i know & listen to someone that is not an expert in the field of fitness... what i will do is take what u say & research it. knowing that u have been there/done that i can then take the research & your words & form my own opinion.

living in colorado & loving the outdoors i spend a fair amount of time in the mountains. i hike, bike, swim, & climb. in the winter i shovel snow (w/the help of friends) to build snowboard jumps that are over 10ft tall (thats alot of snow), then build a landing ramp 40ft away from it. then hike 150+yds in thigh deep snow to get enough speed to clear the gap. then i do it again.

im not in the military yet. but everyday i push myself to be something better. i bust my a$$ so i can have a chance to be what ive always dreamed... a soldier & a damn fine one at that. u do not know me at all, let alone well enough to belittle me & talk sh!t.

so if your comments about me were in fun.. then i apologize for my harsh tone.. but i really dont think that they were... were they?

[josepy]

Wow SpeedPhreak I am suddenly sexually aroused.

Can you call me?

[PTFreak]

Originally posted by SpeedPhreak:
William Salter- i hope the meth monkey thing was a joke (funny, if it was). i see the way u people pick on others, now most of them may deserve it.. ie claiming to be a SEAL or a Ranger. but i dont claim to be anything but someone who has wanted to be in the military since grade school (i am now 24). a near FATAL motorcycle accident left me w/hardware in my leg & i was told i couldnt join. after i had the rod taken out of my femur i was told i could join if i pass a physical. so now i have a second chance. & i am NOT going to blow it. i am here trying to get answers to prepare my self for when i can leave (very soon i hope).

read this very carefully as im sure u probably cannot say the same thing...

i have NEVER done a SINGLE drug in my life. not a hit off a bong.. not a drop of acid.. ive smoked maybe a pack of cigarettes in my life & rarely drink. & u know what.. i go to raves all the time i am exposed to people doing drugs left & right. some former friends of mine shoot up. but its not me...

u want to know about my name.. i road race motorcycles.. not drag race or dirt race but ROAD RACE.. 130mph around a corner that if it was on a street would be marked 40 w/my knee touching. its not street racing either.. i have a number (mra#442) get purse money & have sponsors. i love to go fast. i love adrenaline.

i never once gave advice to n e 1 about rucking. i simply stated that when i was in highschool i spent a month backpacking w/a very heavy pack & i saw very good results. therefore in preperation part of MY routine is going to be hiking w/a heavy pack along w/running, swimming, weight training. plus eating right. i read & study fitness & diet more than any 1 i have ever met. so i will believe myself b4 i throw out everything i know & listen to someone that is not an expert in the field of fitness... what i will do is take what u say & research it. knowing that u have been there/done that i can then take the research & your words & form my own opinion.

living in colorado & loving the outdoors i spend a fair amount of time in the mountains. i hike, bike, swim, & climb. in the winter i shovel snow (w/the help of friends) to build snowboard jumps that are over 10ft tall (thats alot of snow), then build a landing ramp 40ft away from it. then hike 150+yds in thigh deep snow to get enough speed to clear the gap. then i do it again.

im not in the military yet. but everyday i push myself to be something better. i bust my a$$ so i can have a chance to be what ive always dreamed... a soldier & a damn fine one at that. u do not know me at all, let alone well enough to belittle me & talk sh!t.

so if your comments about me were in fun.. then i apologize for my harsh tone.. but i really dont think that they were... were they?


Speed, you will quickly find out that most military guys hate humping. In fact most of them have to be literally made to work out. They would rather talk about weapons or some obscure martial arts program that does not work. Or get drunk or go deer hunting and chew Red Man. Or ride in a vehicle of some sort. Or they like to talk about the high speed methods of infiltration like parachuting instead of marching. The heavy ruck marches on the ground are unimportant to most of them. Dont bother with trying to tell them about regular rucking on a daily basis cause most aint got a clue.

The typical Army guy thinks that a twice a month 15 mile march is a big deal. I think its a joke. They should be doing 15 milers everyday instead of once or twice a month.

I have more respect for a guy who can do 25 miles a day with pack and full gear day after day with no problems than someone who has a bunch of jumps under their belt.

I think someday when we go back to Iraq and the Marines land on the shores of Kuwait, instead of letting them do it the easy way and ride to Baghdad some evil Marine Corp General ought to make them force march the whole entire way on foot. Just to see if they could do it. That would be impressive. See how fast they could speed march from the Persian Gulf to Baghdad and destroy anything in their path. They could be accompanied by heavy tanks and close air support along the way but theyd still have to walk with full gear the entire time. How many miles would that be? 500? 1000? I wonder what a whole Marine Corp division would look like on a satellite image if the whole entire division was in a big, long forced march from the sea to Baghdad? That would be a cool picture to frame on a wall.

Id like to put my fatass, liar ex Navy recruiter out on point and make him walk until he was dead from heat stroke and then kick him and tell him to "get up faggot."

That would be truly Evil. HAHAHAHA

[RAT]

PTFREAK,

You aren't in the militery are you. The Corps has BN size humps. 25 plus miles all equipment and weapons. Find out what it is called and then start you crap about ruck marching.

I would love to see you be the 2531 and have comm go out. LtCol to Pfc "How far is Motor T falling back?" Pfc to LtCol "I don't know, Sir? Can't get them on the horn." LtCol to Pfc " Go find them and give me an up date." Pfc to LtCol "YES, Sir" (Motor T is only 1 1/2 miles behind and not falling back from the front of the Bn.) I would love to be on that hump and see how much you talk then.
RAT OUT!!!

[jds]

as I was saying thats what Ranger school is all about.That's the school your alter ego(s)said was a waste of time ect.ect.ect. I think you are miss informed. Sorry for the long post.
JDS 1/75 82-85

[jds]

let me try again you didn't get the first part of my post.

PTFreak guy
I know this is a waste of time but I feel inspired. I don't know what a typical army guy thinks but if he's a grunt, he's gonna hump a ruck a lot. He don't have to like it he just has to do it. The guy you respect can he hump a ruck 25 miles with no food and no sleep? Can he hump and still fight? Can he hump and still hit targets with his weapon? CAn he hump do a river crossing and hump some more? or does he hump 25 miles break out the tent and coleman stove? The infantry soldiers ability to hump a ruck is directly related to those wussy runs you commented about in earlier posts.Speaking about humping day in and day out that's what Ranger school is about. You know the school you alter ego said was a waste of time. And you're still misinformed.
JDS 1/75 82-85

[OldSFer]

RAT,

This PTFreak sounds like he's closely related (pehaps through incest) to that unfit Navy Gunners's mate washout (SEAL wannabe) who was sent home to
his mommy in NC, that used to pollute the old SOCNET.

[josepy]

Now I know who OldSFer is. It took me one real post.

Welcome back stud. The circle is almost complete again. Where is SSD?

[RangerCharlie]

Who rucks anymore? Rangers, SF, 82nd, 25th and other select units, but not the army on the whole. We are the select few who punish themselves for the pride of being elite.

[JOE-BOO]

I would dare say anyone who is infantry...QMs from 82nd are not going to be humping much..I put more stock in the MOS/Branch than unit for such a discusson...

PTFreak....speak when spoken to...if wars were won on PT alone then the BRITS would not need are help so often....wars are not won on gut checks...they are won with brains...the ability to coordinate...the physical aspect comes into play as a necessity to complete the mission....it is not the basis of the mission....

One smart FO can do more damage than 100 tough infantry men....the infantry must be ready to fight...not recovering from somebody's idea of a gut check...the infantry job is complex..a thinking man's game...just like armor....but the infantry man must conserve the combat power by making imsef and his troops physically strong and tough but not broken...much like the tanker must keep his crews and tracks proficient and maintained...only the infantrman is the brains and the weapon....Ruck for PT...Truck/fly/boat whatever you can before you HAVE to walk in combat.

PTFREAK would say"I think SEALs should swim 5 miles before landing on the beach in combat"

11ZULU Says "I think they should be ABLE to swim 5 miles if necessary, but take them in by boat as far as possible then they swim, so they will be ready to fight whe they get there"

Fighting Smarter not Harder...

11ZULU OUT!!

[maniac]

Elite few? I don't consider myself part of the spec/ops elite, but I have never served in a unit that did'nt ruck-march (from the 5th TNG BN Ft. Sill, 9th ID Ft. Lewis, 2nd ID Korea, and 101st ABN DIV. Ft. Campbell). Is it true the rest of the Army does not hump? Have things got that bad?

[RAT]

Damm, I miss OldSFer!!!!
RAT OUT!!!
P.S. Still have that beer for you when you get back.

[RangerCharlie]

OK, I dissed the rest of the 11b guys by saying an elite few, I was wrong. From what I gather, long movements with rucks are not done on a common basis in the rest of the army. We used to ruck a lot in the woods, where as the 24th would truck to locations near there objective and day pack it in. The more time you spend in the woods, the better you will be at it.

[FNG]

Don't get hungup on the idea that rucking makes you a good soldier. It doesn't. Humping is just a means to get from point A to point B with your equipment. No matter how much you ruck, you'll never be able to get to point B faster than a C130, a helicopter, or an APC. And you will certainly not be as fresh and ready.

Humping 25 miles a day everyday? How many soldiers have that much time in their everyday duty to do such a thing? What about the serious risk of injury? How useful will you be to your country and fellow soldiers if you are hurt and can't do work?

It's great that you have such dedication and stamina, but it would be better if you were to spend those hours doing regular cardio exercises instead of ruck marching. Just ruck maybe once a week and you'll be in good shape.

[PTFreak]

Originally posted by OldSFer:
RAT,

This PTFreak sounds like he's closely related (pehaps through incest) to that unfit Navy Gunners's mate washout (SEAL wannabe) who was sent home to
his mommy in NC, that used to pollute the old SOCNET.

Well I was in the Navy and was a Gunners Mate. But my name is not Eric...I dont know who you are talking about. What happened was I got caught with steroids in my locker and was sent to the Brig. There, I was sent to the chain gang squad where I broke rocks for six months and got into really good shape. The Dive Motivators came down to the "Rock" where I was being detained and administered the SEAL PT test to me there which I passed. Then they interviewed me while I was in my cage eating my dinner and I told them I wanted to be a SEAL because I loved to eat water moccasins and because of all the live fire training they did. I then showed the Dive Motivator my pet frog....his name was Freddy. So, I was scheduled to go when I injured my knee...hit myself in my knee with a sledge hammer by accident while on rock breaking duty. I was subsequently discharged with a combination medical and dishonorable discharge, my dream shattered forever.

From there I became depressed. I went to France after my knee rehab and tried to enlist in the French Foreign Legion. I was hoping I could get stationed in Corsica and get a good tan there while I had a French hooker girlfriend. But even the Legion wouldnt take me cause of my knee. So, I gave up and now I work at Burger King for $5 an hour.

[nightinsertion]

I dont usually post in here but I couldn't help myself. Why is every new SEAL story person that comes on the forum a Gunners Mate??? Nice.... story???

[This message has been edited by nightinsertion (edited 05-24-2000).]

[Mac679]

That's funny PTFreak, you're not Eric, then why sign the following post on SEALNet with Eric?
"What a joke Currier is. He sounds like he watched too much Star Trek and never got any pussy. SEALs were meant to shoot and loot not to be four eyed computer geeks. Computer hackers and virus writers are not in the same category as physically violent terrorists. Let the FBI and CIA nerd techno boys go after the computer hackers overseas and let the SEALs focus on WARFIGHTING.

Remember people, the main reason we have a military is for WAR.

Eric"

[maniac]

No, the main reason we have a military is so we don't have to go to war (deterence you know). The 2nd reason is to defend sorry-ass countries with weak-ass militaries (but only the ones we like).

[WS-G]

I dont usually post in here but I couldn't help myself. Why is every new SEAL story person that comes on the forum a Gunners Mate??? Nice.... story???
Because, nightinsertion, they were fresh out of Storekeepers and Yeomen!

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ex Co. G (-)(Abn/Rgr), 143d INF(LRRP), TXARNG 1981-1985
ex 433MAW (AFRES), 1985-1991
FAA-certificated pilot and Advanced Ground Instructor

[nightinsertion]

I hope everyone got my tone of sarcasm on that last post. Pt sounds just like the other nuts that have been running aroung this board, they've all been gunners mates, either the Navy is producing to many GM or it's the same guy!!!LOL

Alright I'm going back to sleep

[nightinsertion]

I hope everyone got my tone of sarcasm on that last post. Pt sounds just like the other nuts that have been running aroung this board, they've all been gunners mates, either the Navy is producing to many GM or it's the same guy!!!LOL

Alright I'm going back to sleep

[Ranger002]

Men,

Lets not forget the topic here.We are trying to help a young man prepare for life as a Ranger. Rangers Ruck... thats a FACT.The rest of this is nonsense. Another FACT of SPEC OPS life is wannabes, posers, fakes, and wackos...hooooo huuuuum.Unless they are profiting from thier lies I suggest that you real deals just ignore them and eventually they will tell thier BS somewhere else.
William Hazen B 2/75 Ranger C 3/12 SFGA(R)

[CsC0321]

Unless they are profiting from thier lies I suggest that you real deals just ignore them and eventually they will tell thier BS somewhere else.


Amen Ranger

[Ranger1]

Good Lord Marine...how far back did you have to go to resurrect this thread?

[magician]

Total necro-post!

[RGR.Montcalm]

In the guy's defense, everyone is told to use the 'search' feature;





































I think he just got carried away by the greatness of the Regiment...;):biggrin: