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Spending three hours underwater breathing pure oxygen? That's a sure way for diver(s) to suffer from oxygen toxicity.
Are you sure you know what you're talking about Trident86?
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1) yes I'd be more than willing to bet he knows what he's talking about ;-)
2) Draeger's use pure O2 which is toxic past a certain depth ( 35' I believe-just past 1ATM-could be wrong on the depth though ); remember hearing about the Aqualung ( civvie rebreather system ) allowing a diver to stay down longer than open circuit systems ( I *think*-could be wrong-they said up to 6hrs )
Mac
Davidhm, you've already been busted before as a phony wannabe SEAL. Why the accusatory tone towards trident86? You're probably still pissed at being outed as the lying phony that you are.
Well Fred, lots of shit talking for a guy who've probably never been to BUD/S.
I admit that I made a slight mistake of misleading people that I was in the Teams. However, I spent 4 months in BUD/S. Never made it but I learned from it. I guess was a little bit too aggressive.
So what about you? What's your laurels?
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Fred's as real as trident86, and trident86 is real, I've met him face to face--pretty cool guy, can't however say the same for you.
Mac
To mac679,
It depends on what type of diving rig you are using. The Draeger LAR 5 we used at BUD/S are limited to depths of 25 fsw. This type of rig is used only for shallow water combat dives. Specifically, to clandestinly get from point A to point B. SEALs, when using the LAR 5, would probably stay at depths of 10 to 15 fsw; just to be safe.
As you stated before, the LAR 5 uses 100% PO2. Using 100% PO2 severly limits the diving depths for divers due to the high pressures of oxygen. If you know anything about diving, as you go deeper water pressure increases. This will also cause gas molecules to increase as well. The cause is not known yet, but if a diver breaths in too much of this oxygen molecules, then he/she will be subject to oxygen poisoning. This is also true if someone breaths too much pure oxygen while at sea level.
Trident86 said breathing 100% PO2 for three hours. That's bunch of bullshit. I mean for a Navy SEAL, he doesn't know what he's talking about. I never made it as a SEAL, but at least I learned my shit while at BUD/S.
If you don't believe me mac679, then I got some diving buddies who could set you staright. Oh by the way, have you ever logged a dive before?
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Really, what do mean by "real?" Is Fred saying he's SEAL? Or are you saying he's a SEAL. Which is it? I don't don't know about you my friend, but you don't know me. I kind of mislead people that I was in the Teams, but that was my mistake. But did attend BUD/S for awhile. That's water under the bridge though. Unlike Fred, I don't even think he went to the training. Guys like him who usually talk shit about this kind of stuff most likely never been to training let alone had anything to do with the teams.
DavidHM:
Q. Breathing >60% O2 at MSL for >24 hours results in which type of O2 toxicity?
Q. What is meant by "off effect"?
Q. What actions should be taken if your swim buddy convulses underwater?
Q. How do you manage a chemical incident? I.e.: What's the first thing you do when experiencing a "caustic cocktail"?
Q. What simple action normally resolves middle-ear O2 absorption syndrome?
I bet Fred and Trident86 know the answers... do you ??? http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif
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William,
To answer your first question, I think it's called "The Loraine Smith Effect" or Pulmonary Oxygen Toxicity. This is caused from long exposures of elevated PO2. There's another type of Oxygen Toxicity. Care to tell me what it is?
As far as a diver convulsing underwater, especially in salt water, then he's pretty much fucked. He'll drown if action is not taken quickly. As soon as symptoms of O2 poisoning begin, lower the PO2, or partial pressure of oxygen by ascending.Have the diver rest, hyperventilate, and if possible breath air to help dilute the oxygen.
You asked me what is an "Caustic Cocktail." I think the name came for the corrosive mixture common to older rebreathers when water came in contact with the scrubber medium. This is less of a problem now as the soda lime which is usually used as a scrubber medium is less susceptable to this chemical reaction. However, it is still a very good idea to keep water out of your breathing loop as it reduces the effciency of the soda lime, and still makes a less than savory mix, which, if less likely to kill you, is still to be avoided.
Forgot the other question.
You seem like a rebreather diver. Do you know how to conduct a Loop Leak Test? One more question, what should a diver, using a rebreather, do if he/she incounters failure of the solenoid valve?
Originally posted by DavidHM:
William,
To answer your first question, I think it's called "The Loraine Smith Effect" or Pulmonary Oxygen Toxicity. This is caused from long exposures of elevated PO2. There's another type of Oxygen Toxicity. Care to tell me what it is?
As far as a diver convulsing underwater, especially in salt water, then he's pretty much fucked. He'll drown if action is not taken quickly. As soon as symptoms of O2 poisoning begin, lower the PO2, or partial pressure of oxygen by ascending.Have the diver rest, hyperventilate, and if possible breath air to help dilute the oxygen.
You asked me what is an "Caustic Cocktail." I think the name came for the corrosive mixture common to older rebreathers when water came in contact with the scrubber medium. This is less of a problem now as the soda lime which is usually used as a scrubber medium is less susceptable to this chemical reaction. However, it is still a very good idea to keep water out of your breathing loop as it reduces the effciency of the soda lime, and still makes a less than savory mix, which, if less likely to kill you, is still to be avoided.
Forgot the other question.
You seem like a rebreather diver. Do you know how to conduct a Loop Leak Test? What should a diver, using a rebreather, do if he/she incounters failure of the solenoid valve?
Guys like me? david h mcdowwell you are a poser. I love the clintonspeak - you mislead people - huh? You are a posing liar who would still be posing today if you were not busted. You even tried to keep lying in the face of irrefutable evidence. The kids who come to this board asking for advice probably want to hear it from a bona fide source, not from some QUITTER OR DIRTBAG WHO GOT CANNED (YOU ARE IN ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES). If you really think anyone will believe you got canned from BUD/S for being too agressive you are high. You either quit or you got bounced for being inadequate.
And by the way, if you weren't just a posing phony liar who got shitcanned from BUD/S, then you would know about the new bottles for the lar v that do indeed enable you to stay on bag for 3 hours.
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I Never did, just made a slight mistake on misleading people that I was in the teams.
Let me ask you a question, were you a SEAL? Did you ever go to BUD/S?
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SILENTOP
9 May 2000, 16:52
Temper temper David, maybe thats why you never made it through BUD/S was because you couldn't keep your cool. You obviously haven't been on this board very long b/c if you were you would know that Trident, Fred and Frog are the real deal answer guys. They deserve your respect for they were the ones who never touched that golden bell!
SILENTOP
well looky looky looky,
"just made a slight mistake on misleading people that I was in the teams."---gee, here I always thought that was called lying, misleading people would mean not giving a direct answer; if you're David McDowell, shall I post the info trident posted at your Excite club here for everyone's reading pleasure? As for trident being right, his credibility stands far greater than a poser's ever will. Have I logged a dive before, not a combat dive but a couple of recreational dives yes, unfortunately I don't have much in the way of a dive buddy or gear so I unfortunately haven't done it for awhile. Shall I describe the PADI Open Water Certification card? Diver number maybe?
Yeah the deeper you go pressure increases: 2x@1ATM(33'), volume also decreases by half, gee that kinda shit? What do I mean by Fred is real, simple, he's the exact opposite of you. Personally I have no stake in this no matter which way it goes. Not interested in the Navy, prefer to spend my time getting tips from JY and the Army side of the house, but trident has been helpful to me and you're just torquing me off. Drop it before you really end up with a shitstorm here, we'd rather not waste the space.
Don't want to inflame the situation, but can we all take into account that DavidHM has supplied all the answers to your questions to a more than satifactory degree, he seems to know what he is talking about....
the original argument was not,whether he is/was a SEAL phony,but a diving physics related question,so don't try to conceal the fact that he was correct and able to answer the questions,with the fact of a possible misunderstanding or misinterpretation.
just my $0.2 Cents
Lata,Mark
David...ya know its strange how all you posers think alike...you get caught and then you decide hell if I'm fucked then I might as well create some problems...so you decided to come out here and question Trident86...amazing how you decided to choose a topic that you would know about and question his authenticity in the same post..amazing...I got a general idea of whats going on here with the diving stuff and from what I understand the REAL DEALS who attacked the Presidente Porras were on the bottle for about 3 hours if not a little over it...so I think your arguement for the duration of the bottle is a little off...and for O2 Toxicity I was taught in Dive class that its toxic below 33 feet if you stay there past a certain period of time...now as memory serves me those same divers that attacked the Porras also had to go down to 45 feet (well below the 33 feet max) to avoid getting killed by a ship coming up the channel...Now maybe your gonna say someting like..."well they had a different type of rebreather" to cover your story just a little more..remember teh maximums published can always be broke since those 'maximums' are the definete safety level..they can be pushed to a point after that and still operate fine...once again a posers arguement shot out from under him
The mistake of misleading people of believeing you were in the Teams huh?? Sounds like you were lying to everyone and got caught and "oh sir I never said 'I am a SEAL' so you got the wrong person" type of deal...you were at BUD/S for 4 months and got dropped for agressiveness?? LMAO if you were so agressive you got kicked out I'd hate to wonder, what were you were doing? Was it defying safety regulations with the SCUBA? I mean being to agressive there can get you and your buddy killed very easily...did you go to deep to fast for to long or something? cause if you got kicked out for being agressive I'd really love to hear the story behind that...its gotta be a interesting one...no wait..maybe you were to aggressive on the O course and got kicked out cause you did the tower in a unsafe way thats gotta be it...you came close to the end said "I coulda made it so I'm gonna tell everyone my experiences to this point and they will believe I made it all the way through and into teh Teams"...well heres some advice...give it up your a fake..you know it..we know it..so go pull your lower lip over your head and swallow, you would definetly be doing the world a favor by getting rid of yet another shit brained rhino fucker loser who can't do the deed.
Tuck's,
Thank you for that. But you shouldn't waste your breath on these idiots. They have no idea what there talking about.
As far as Nissan and Mac, the guys are probably 30 years old, still living with their parents with no job and sucking on their Mother's nipples.
The topic was about diving. I don't know how the fuck these clowns came up with this phony bullshit. Maybe I should take Mac and Nissan free diving one day and see how far these fuckers can go down. My guess is that these assholes can't even swim.
Nissan, the day you make it through "Hell Week" is the day you can talk your shit about BUD/S. But until then, go find a job!
Oh, just one more thing, since you guys know so much, why don't you enlighten me on this. What are "Bounce Dives" and how deep it is performed?
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Tuck's, for the record david was incorrect in his assertion. DavidHM:" Spending three hours underwater breathing pure oxygen? That's a sure way for diver(s) to suffer from oxygen toxicity."
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Jack Lutz
9 May 2000, 19:05
Hey David,
Do me a favor and quit insulting respected members of the board like that, ok? Simple enough, far be it from me to tell you that you cant talk here because of behavior without at least a warning, even though your behavior equals that of a toddler. Consider this your warning.
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Jack,
What the hell is your problem? I'm not the one who started this ballgame. All I did was post a message in this forum. These idiots are the ones acting like little kids. I'm just playing their little games. Maybe you should learn to be a better Administartor. I'll bring this up to Tom Hunter.
Silent Fart
9 May 2000, 20:26
DAVIDhm
Just calm down you loser! Why talk to people you don't even know that way. If I was you I would give Fred and others the respect they deserve! They completed what you couldn't! If you can't be respectful, just leave the board. I'm sure others would appreciate it also. BYE.
David,
nope not 30, 20 actually, and in DEP with a Ranger Contract, live at home with my mom-yep why get an apartment with friends when I ship this fall-waste of time and money much like your father's waste of sperm to create your sorry @ss. yeah sure there's a chance I may fail along the way, but you won't see me calling myself a Ranger and avoiding responsibility when the sh*t hits the fan. BTW before you take this up with Tom Hunter, you should realize that because Jack is the administrator is the only fact your sorry sh*t is still here. Check the strings and see what happened to a kid name Demopup and a yutz named Weaponsguy--Jack is at least giving you a second chance. As they told my mom for nuke attacks when she worked at Ft. Useless, "put your head between your legs and kiss your sweet ass goodbye"
Mac
Jack Lutz
9 May 2000, 22:28
Well...
My problem seems to be that this is a place for discussion, and you are spewing such filth as:
"I don't know how the fuck these clowns came up with this phony bullshit"
"Maybe I should take Mac and Nissan free diving one day and see how far these fuckers can go down."
"Trident86 said breathing 100% PO2 for three hours. That's bunch of bullshit. "
"My guess is that these assholes can't even swim."
If I called you a 'mother f--king asshole', would you want me off the board? Chances are you would... you'd expect more from someone where people come to talk. This is a place for discussion, not flaming.
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No not 30 either...17 and in teh Navy with a SEAL Challenge contract and enough motovation and a sense of teamwork...maybe now I'll just be a little less agressive huh...Nah I quit sucking on her nipples and started on girls my age a coupel years ago..might not get teh same nutrion factors but its still a helluva good time...Last time I went free diving I was able to hit 40 feet..then again this was a couple years ago in the carribean so I can probably go a bit further now...I beg to differ on the can't swim part too...hell its not my fault I was doing teh 500 in teh same time most people are doing teh 250..or in the case of my SCUBA class 200...David..The day i make it through hell week 2 things will happen..1 I'll sleep for as long as I can and 2 I'll think to all my friends that supported me and helped me get through it...As for bounce dives how deep do you want it..I believe 230 is the depth but I'm not sure...I think you can do it to just about any depth I mean hell all it is is go down hit your depth and come back up so you don't have to decompress...geeze don't you find it weird that I know damn near as much as you do about all this stuff and I havn't even been there?! I mean wow you did 4 months of BUD/S and I know damn near everything you do...I don't know all the specifics with the LAR 5 but hell if I did that would take all the fun outa the classroom sessions wouldn't it...I gotta stay ignorant for at least a couple parts so the Instructors won't expect so much outa me...I need to make life easier some how...As for Mac and I..well I like to think we are pretty good friends..sure if we were to have Xmas dinner together we'd wind up selling ring side seats but we know what we say and don't tolerate those who decieve others into believing lies like you've told many many times...
By the way whats with all the editing?? I always see like 3 or more edits to your posts...did you miss something or decide insults would go well in certain places that they wern't before?
Jack thank you for stepping in hopefully this board can stay more professional in the future.
Dear davey,
As a U.S. Navy EOD diver, with more bottom time diving mk-16 than you probably ever had in the navy, let me ask you a question.
IS it possible to dive LAR V for 3 hours at a depth of 5 ft? If you think it's not, kindly explain your take on the PPO2 at this bone crushing depth. Technically 1ft. below the surface is "underwater" and the PPO2 will not be significantly effected. I have dove in water so filthy that you loose all light at 3 ft (on a sunny day!). In nasty water like this, 5 ft. of seperation from the surface is plenty to remain undetected. Granted, at 30 ft. plus O2 Tox becomes a serious concern (I know because I have lost a team mate because of it) I'm not slamming your diving knowledge, actually using it to point out your mistake.
On a last note, if you keep challenging people you know nothing about your likely to wind up with your arm shoved half way up your ass. (sorry Jack)
can't we be professional's here?
i have seen a few SEALs myself and they are all pretty cool i would choose a SEAL over you anyday davie .
and as for your mouth and attitude you would not stand a chance in my boot camp much less BUD/S.
my $.02
ooohhh rraaahh kill kill kill
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DavidHM:
You snidely attempted to evade the issue by retorting: There's another type of Oxygen Toxicity. Care to tell me what it is?
...but I'll be generous on this one: CNS (N.B.: does not mean "Clinton's Nut Sack").
You also sagely informed the readership... As far as a diver convulsing underwater, especially in salt water, then he's pretty much f*****.Not quite. While O2 toxicity can kill you, it most certainly will kill any individual unfortunate enough to have a swim buddy with your "pretty much f*****" attitude.
Also, keep in mind that attention to detail is crucial to success anywhere in the SOF community. Note that the topic was O2 toxicity, not near-drowning. Or, would you care to explain what it is about salt-water that makes CNS toxicity more deadly than in fresh water? He'll drown if action is not taken quickly. As soon as symptoms of O2 poisoning begin, lower the PO2, or partial pressure of oxygen by ascending.You omitted quite a few vital actions here. Maybe you'd care to explain what you should have done to keep your convulsing swim buddy from developing a pulmonary embolism on the way up? Have the diver rest, hyperventilate....
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Hyperventilate ?????
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You asked me what is an "Caustic Cocktail." No, I asked "What's the first thing you do when experiencing a 'caustic cocktail'?". The term "attention to detail" comes to mind again. If you actually had attended BUD/S or any other military diving course, or for that matter, had so much as read the pertinent manual (care to tell us which manual that is? http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif), you'd know that simple first action to take. As I gave you one "gimme" already, I'm not telling you what it is, as I don't care to help posers refine their act (and if you'd gotten as far as BUD/S Phase II, you'd know the answer anyway!).
And you... Forgot the other question.(Shaking head pathetically)
Short memory span, eh? Maybe you can tell us how to perform a Valsalva maneuver? This happens in aviation as well as diving, BTW. You seem like a rebreather diver.And you seem like someone who's in for a bit of a shock, because --- wait for it! --- it so happens I am not a rebreather diver, nor am I even SCUBA qualified. Closest I ever got to anything even remotely resembling qualification as a combat swimmer was in-house scout-swimmer (tactical surface swimming) and helocast training. However, I have been actively involved in the aviation scene since the late 1970's and am qualified to teach the theoretical subjects required for every flight crewmember certificate the Federal Aviation Administration issues, so I'd venture it's safe to say I might know a thing or three about how the lungs work, how gasses behave in the human body, etc.
I have never attended any dive course in the military (uncorrected distant visual acuity would effectively bar me from anything other than USN Fleet SCUBA Diver or US Army Engineer Diver), however I can read a text and understand what the author's driving at quite readily. I daresay I'm extremely adept at finding things out, and also at sorting out the fact that all of the items mentioned were of a very elementary nature. Therefore, it stands to reason that if I, as a non-diver, can swiftly glean this information from a manual, then someone claiming the level of accomplishment which you claim should certainly be expected to discourse more competently than you have.
Next time you decide to "pose", try doing your homework a litle better first.
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DavidHM:
You ORIGINALLY wrote:
"Spending three hours underwater breathing pure oxygen? That's a sure way for diver(s) to suffer from oxygen toxicity. Are you sure you know what you're talking about Trident86?"
First, Trident86 is a Team Guy and a Meateater. I know him.
Second, I'll bet that he's forgotten more about Dive Medicine than you've learned.
Third, THINK before typing. If your object is to attack someone's integrity and knowledge, make damn sure YOU have the integrity and knowledge to back up the assault. You are flaming from a position of weakness; and you're losing badly.
Fourth, Don't go away mad, just go away.
Tracy-Paul **********
Chief Warrant Officer (retired)
US Army Special Forces
tracy.**********@60mdg.travis.af.mil
I know how he got booted!!!!!!!!!
1)Did not learn his knowledge.
2)Got mad at he instructor.
3)Went to cry to the Chief when he thought everyone was picking on him. Got his ass booted. Or they made so hard on this cry baby he quit.
David go scrap some paint off the ladder well.
Rat out!!!
Continuing Rats post.
Now he tells everyone he was too hard for BUD/S and they wanted make him an instuctor but he did not want to so he got out.
Bottom Feeding Scum Sucker!
IAN0321
12 May 2000, 22:09
HEY GUYS... AS I SEE IT ALL THIS GUY WANTS IS ATTENTION.. GOOD ( BEING A SEAL ) OR BAD( WHEN WE ALL FOUND OUT HE IS FULL OF SHIT ) SO IF WE ALL AGREE THAT BEING FULL OF SHIT ISNT OK.. I SAY WE MOVE ON AND NOT GIVE THE LITTLE BOTTOM FEEDING SHIT BAG THE ATTENTION HE IS GETTING.. WE ARE GIVING HIM EXACTLEY WHAT HE WANTS..HE WANTS TO BE THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION....SO LATER GATOR AND SO SOLLY TO EVERYONE ELSE HOPE ALL IS WELL AND THIS IS JUST MY 2 CENTS..
THANKS....
Ho ho ho......
what is it with these jagoffs...
-pn
wolfdad915
14 May 2000, 13:42
Originally posted by DavidHM:
Spending three hours underwater breathing pure oxygen? That's a sure way for diver(s) to suffer from oxygen toxicity.
Are you sure you know what you're talking about Trident86?
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McDowell,
You just never learn, do you?
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Thanks David Scum Sucker. I hope your family doesn't get my reply.
From: "Mcdowell Family" mcdowellj001@hawaii.rr.com
Subject: scum sucker
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:55:06 -1000
Fuck You little prick
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