USMA

[bobman]

Is there a route to Airborne/Ranger through the USMA?

Thanks - Bob

[Snake]

Nope,
West Point graduate are -never-, under any circumstances, permitted to go to a Ranger Battalion. And there's talk of denying them access to SFAS and Airborne units too. This goes way back to Korea...

Snake
25th ID(L)

[JSOCMarine]

Snake,
Would you please clarify your last post a bit? S/F.

[Snake]

JSOC,
you mean you didnt get that memo? Gainsay prior;>

Snake
25th ID(L)

[bobman]

Snake:
Why is that? Is it because they are afraid that after investing four years worth of time and money into the graduates that they will get hurt? That is dumb, you would think that they would want Academy Graduates because of their leadership and academic abilities. Sorry to make it seem like I'm blaming you for all this. =) Thanks

[This message has been edited by bobman (edited 06-24-2000).]

[bobman]

Snake I also have another question -
I realize that the Marine Corps. is technically part of the Navy, but you would think that Marine cadets would train at USMA, not USNA because it'd be easier to train them with the Army. If you know why that is so any insight would be appreciated. Sorry to pester you.

Thanks again

[Snake]

Bob,
I think that question could be better answered over on MARNET. I'd hate to speak out-of-field...


Snake
25th ID(L)

[bobman]

Alright I'll do that. Thanks.

[Snake]

<Snicker>.

[LRSC Grunt]

and while your over there ask for a box of grid squares

[This message has been edited by LRSC Grunt (edited 06-26-2000).]

[Sharky]

Keys to the drop zone, backblast bags ......

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F.I.D.O.

[Dark Helmet]

Blank adapter for an M203.....

[MARK92A]

Batteries for a Chemlight, Spark plugs for a 5 ton..

But oh yeah, you can make a dead chemlight work again.. All you need is a microwave.. Dont try that one at home though, it could be messy.. (But pretty cool)

[Mac679]

*grin*

hey uh Mark, I'm not sure I want to ask how y'all came up with that recharge for a chemlight http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif

Mac

[MARK92A]

Well, it's along story, but basically, we were nuking some food at NTC (yep, ya gotta love the expando van TOC) and a dead chemlight found it's way into the microwave, and 30 seconds later, it came out glowing. (along with the food we nuked) At first I didnt belive it (I thought the S3 was messing with me, but then did it myself)

The "cook" time depends how big of a microwave you have. I have found that anymore than 35 seconds in a "regular" size microwave will make the chemlight explode, so indiviual cook times will vary to the size of the nuker.

I have only tried with the 6 inch ones, and you can usually squeeze a 6-10 more hours of light out of them. They dont glow as bright, but they are good of marking trucks in convoys where you want a little light, but not as much as you do with a new chemlight..
Try it, it works.. In these times of reduced budgets, ya gotta save $$ anyway you can. Sad, but true...

[Ranger1]

You've got to love it. This must be the only series of BB's on the net where an honest question about the USMA can degenerate down to the merits of putting chems in a microwave. Wow.

It had to be said.

BTW, Cyclops can do the same thing to chem lights with his mutant power optic blast.

RLTW,
-Kirk

[baboon]

Oh man those Pte. Murphy cartoons are too funny. Unfortunately there seems to be something wrong with the Airborne Equipment Shop site, which is the only place I have seen them, or is it my browser? Is that what life is like in the 82nd?

[bobman]

Not that I dislike war stories about microwaving chemicals, but if anybody knows why Westpoint grads. aren't allowed into Ranger Bns. an explanation would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Ranger002]

Having graduated with class 14-80 ( all West Pointers and a few of us Batt men) I feel qualifed to answer your question... Some how about 65 million years ago a comet hit the earth thus wiping out the Dinosuars. Then about 1450 or so someone made the observation the it was impossible to turn lead into gold and this directly lead to the invention of the microwave oven some 500+ years later. It has been recently revealed to me that perhaps the cooking of old chemlights in a microwave might explain the nature of chaos theory and the Cuban embargo. Well this interested me so I went to the library and did some research on where the wind blows and why I like blue more than pink which lead me to belive that in the ongoing dialetic of cultural discourse as expoused by Jerry Springer that perhaps I should entertain the idea that life is a big bowel of vanilla ice cream ( with a cherry on top no less!) and that I should just enjoy it and not bother to answer such STUPID F@CKING QUESTIONS!!!
Doctor of Ranger Ideaology William Hazen B 2/75 Ranger

[Snake]

Hazen,
"....big -bowel- of Ice cream..."???
GI tract upset? Thats one image I didnt need....


Snake
25th ID(L)

[Door Kicker]

Snake,
that was the funniest post I have seen here yet.
I don't think they are gonna let USMA grads waste Airborne slots anymore either. Ha Ha
Door Kicker

[Snake]

Heh...

Snake
25th ID(L)

[RangerCharlie]

It's like a cat playing with a mouse.....keep it up.

[realpolypro]

This is too easy...THEY HAVE NO EXPERIENCE!
Ahhh, but neither do RIPpies you say. Difference, RIPppies have 8 other guys on the spot putting boot to a$$. How's the CO going to do that with a cherry LT, over the radio?
Wanna be an O-1 Ranger PL? Enlist for Bn, then go Occifer and come back.

Polypro

[cavey]

bobman

both the usmc and usn have sent over operators from time to time to train with and learn ranger tactics, but its "over train"....seals learn so much and so do recon, to send them to ranger school would be a waste of time and money
as for airborne school itself yes all the time(not sure if that was a real ? or not about abn school)
there is still talk about combining spec ops schools even more now then ever before, but knowing the dod its all talk very little action. but i am sure that one day some star will get a board to look into it every few years or so

pop smoke and draw fire

[This message has been edited by cavey (edited 06-28-2000).]

[RKW]

Polypro,
Is that true? Cause, Ive never seen that information anywhere else.

RKW

[bobman]

I see now. Thanks for the help!

[realpolypro]

It was true as of 1986-1990. In 86' 3rd Plt C 3/75 had a prior enlisted Batt Boy as a 2nd Lt PL. Same for Wpns Plt in 88'. Call Regt. for current Regs, probably S-1. I assume you would have to be sh*t hot if it's still applicable.(By the way, both were awesome PL's).

Polypro

[realpolypro]

Over-train? Yes, I could see how maybe learning something new, getting more experience or getting a chance to fine tune what you already know, would be a waste of time. Especially for lower enlisted just out of STT and the Marine equivilant. Hooah School teaches you to operate at up to Platoon strength. For the SEAL's and Force guys, who normally operate in smaller elements, this can be a plus if some upper echelon "My guys can do THAT" Officer decides to throw together an assault force for a "Piece of the pie". Especially when that force doesn't normally operate as a larger or combined element. I'm also a "The Tab is just a school, the Scroll's a way of life" guy, but it's STILL a good school that teaches a lot, whether some people admit it or not. Maybe not as hard as it once was http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif, but a good school just the same. Remember the 10% rule. I've seen guys from Regt, the Teams, and Force, do the duffle bag drag.

Polypro