Qualifications

[DavidHM]

I've been reading everybody's messages about qualifying to be a Ranger. Do ASVAB scores count as well?

I don't know how the Army works, but I've been to BUD/S while in the Navy. And one of the qualifications for BUD/S is to have 104 points for the verbal assesment and arithmetic reasoning portion of the test.

Is this true for Rangers and Special Forces? I also heard that in order to qualify for Ranger school, an infantry man must complete one year with his battalion before going to training. Is that true?

Thanks for your help.

[WS-G]

The various "high-speed/low-drag" assignments in the Army typically require an ASVAB GT score of 110 or better.

Mine was 143; same as my Regiment number, making it very easy to remember!

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ex Co. G (-)(Abn/Rgr), 143d INF(LRRP), TXARNG 1981-1985
ex 433MAW (AFRES), 1985-1991
FAA-certificated pilot and Advanced Ground Instructor

[realpolypro]

143!?? I guess we found the one guy who can fit those square pegs into the round holes! :-)

Polypro

[NEUMATIK]

143?!??!?!?!? WOW, I thought GT scores maxed out at 130.

[recce_o]

I've asked this question before, but maybe I'll get a different answer here: is there any correlation between IQ and GT score?

[Mac679]

recce,
if I remember correctly GT score is just a composite score of the ASVAB categories and measures aptitude to learn/do things more than intelligence
my GT was 122, AFQT was 92

BTW LRRP, the GT requirement for SF is now 100
Mac

[WS-G]

Neumatik:

Keep in mind that I took the ASVAB back in 1981; max at that time was 160. No doubt that there's been a few changes since then! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

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ex Co. G (-)(Abn/Rgr), 143d INF(LRRP), TXARNG 1981-1985
ex 433MAW (AFRES), 1985-1991
FAA-certificated pilot and Advanced Ground Instructor

[Cree Warrior]

143!!! Holly freakazoid!!! I thought they maxed at 130 as well. maybe there is an extended scale like the PT test. You psychic or something??

Sua Sponte

[Dark Helmet]

Originally posted by recce_o:
I've asked this question before, but maybe I'll get a different answer here: is there any correlation between IQ and GT score?

I don't know for sure if there is a linear mathmatic relationship between GT and IQ....but I know my GT was 127 (tested in 1985) and my IQ is 144 (tested in 1982 and 1991 with identical results).

Hope this helps.

[recce_o]

TackDa:

So what they say about management consultants is true...

[WS-G]

Now that (1) another thread has linked itself to this one on the GT score issue, and (2) I've re-entered the military since last I posted on this thread, I can comment that yes, there is a difference in the way the ASVAB is adiministered and scored now, as opposed to the way it was back in 1981.

Not sure whether the GT maxes out at 130 now (what I scored this last time, BTW), but here's how it works:

Standard Scores are tabulated in 11 different areas (GS, AR, WK, PC, NO, CS, AS, MK, MC, EI and VE) with a maximum of 70 in each one. This system is the same for each service.

When we get to the Composite Scores, each service does things differently, with each composite score being determined based upon two or more of the aforementioned standard scores.

For what little it's worth, here are mine as an example:

Standard Scores:

GS AR WK PC NO CS AS MK MC EI VE
68 66 61 62 58 64 67 63 70 70 62

Composite Scores (Army):

GT* GM* EL* CL* MM* SC* CO* FA* OF* ST*
130 140 138 130 140 138 142 138 135 136

AFQT Percentile Score: 98 (i.e.: top 2%)

One major difference between "then" and "now": with the computerized ASVAB, speed now weighs on how well one scores, in addition to accuracy. Actual content doesn't appear to have changed much.

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Co. G (-)(Abn/Rgr), 143d INF(LRRP), TXARNG 1981-1985
433MAW (AFRES), 1985-1991
Co. G, 143d Inf (LRS), 2000-present

State of Texas certified Peace Officer

FAA-certificated pilot and Advanced Ground Instructor

[E19]

Mr Slater...err Salter,

Great detail in your illustration, however the use of abbreviations renders the whole thing meaningless to us kids on the block.

E19 OUT
05b4s in the land before time...todays 18E

[Ted]

I don't know nothing about no GT/IQ correlation. But you can get into the Regiment with less than a 110. You will get sent to BSEP (kinda like nite skool) and retake the ASVAB until you get at least a 110.

In fact, the ASVAB and the MCAT are the only two IQ-type tests I've ever taken. Got me a 125 GT score on the ASVAB and a 30 on the MCAT.

[vladnox]

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[This message has been edited by vladnox (edited 11-24-2000).]

[RE FACTOR]

Mr. Salter responds to "GT scores for SF",
post, on the SF forum, by Attila, professing
"my GT score is 130".

Mr. Salter responds to "Qualification" post
by DavidHM, on the Ranger Rgmt. forum, professing a GT score 143.

This projects a 13 point fluctuation over a
4 month period, indicating a 3.25 increase or
reduction within the above-mentioned time span. ??? ??? ???

[WS-G]

RE FACTOR:

WRT,
This projects a 13 point fluctuation over a 4 month period, indicating a 3.25 increase or reduction within the above-mentioned time span. ??? ??? ???
...you should read the posts more carefully.

The numerically higher GT score on the first exam was in February 1981, whereas the latter was taken in August 2000. This is a time span of 19½ years, not four months.

As I've also pointed out, the scoring system has changed during that period, likewise the manner in which the test itself is administered.

Therefore, to compare the two scores is meaningless.

(editing for spacing)

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Co. G (-)(Abn/Rgr), 143d INF (LRRP), TXARNG 1981-1985
433MAW (AFRES), 1985-1991
Co. G, 143d Inf (LRS), 2000-present

State of Texas certified Peace Officer

FAA-certificated pilot and Advanced Ground Instructor

[This message has been edited by William M Salter (edited 10-06-2000).]

[RE FACTOR]

Mr. Salter,

My compliments on maintaining the tight scores over a 19 yr. span.

[WS-G]

Profuse thanks, RE FACTOR, but I reckon it shows I haven't fried as many brain cells as I'd hoped for over the years.

I wonder if that counts as a mission failure....

[LRSC Grunt]

Eye don evin no ef eye kan pas et egan http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

(ASVAB WAIVER..LOL)

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