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sniper14

12 June 2003, 21:34

DD214 ...
If your DD214 is buggered up it's your own fault - YOU signed it, which means you agreed to what was on it. If it was incorrect you should have put your boot where it belonged.

Barrett ...
If you didn't shoot it a lot that was your platoon's fault, mostly your chief scout.

Being a sniper ...
Where I came from you never claimed you were a sniper unless you had obtained MOS 8541. Yeah, it's kind of corny and dumb 'cause I know guys who didn't go to school and are as good or in some cases BETTER than guys who have that MOS. Point is this: it's understood vernacular in the community and you didn't say you were one until you had that HOG's tooth.

Going to sniper school ...
What are you guys talking about? We sent every single last one of our guys to sniper school and deployed with only ONE guy out of the 16 operators that wasn't an 8541. That happened in a 16 month training cycle prior to a WESTPAC.

Performance ...
Last thing to the original posting ... Who cares if the guy is legit or not. Judge him on his current performance at your unit. Being that he talks a lot of shit he most likely IS NOT what he says he is. Not to mention he doesn't sound like he is worth the clothes on his back. So I ask you this: Why did you guys let him in your platoon in the first place and why aren't you sending him packing ASAP?

sta marine

12 June 2003, 21:44

Originally posted by sniper14
DD214 ...
If your DD214 is buggered up it's your own fault - YOU signed it, which means you agreed to what was on it. If it was incorrect you should have put your boot where it belonged.

Barrett ...
If you didn't shoot it a lot that was your platoon's fault, mostly your chief scout.

Being a sniper ...
Where I came from you never claimed you were a sniper unless you had obtained MOS 8541. Yeah, it's kind of corny and dumb 'cause I know guys who didn't go to school and are as good or in some cases BETTER than guys who have that MOS. Point is this: it's understood vernacular in the community and you didn't say you were one until you had that HOG's tooth.

Going to sniper school ...
What are you guys talking about? We sent every single last one of our guys to sniper school and deployed with only ONE guy out of the 16 operators that wasn't an 8541. That happened in a 16 month training cycle prior to a WESTPAC.

Performance ...
Last thing to the original posting ... Who cares if the guy is legit or not. Judge him on his current performance at your unit. Being that he talks a lot of shit he most likely IS NOT what he says he is. Not to mention he doesn't sound like he is worth the clothes on his back. So I ask you this: Why did you guys let him in your platoon in the first place and why aren't you sending him packing ASAP?

yea I signed it, it was my last day in the corps, and I was ready to go. I've got all my certs. and copies of my SRB anyway. All I was trying to say was that some peoples are fucked up.

I'm glad that you deployed with a full platoon of hogs, but I'm sure you understand that not all STA platoons are alike. they are diffrent sizes and quotas are sometimes few and far between. I dont know when you were in, but I've been out 8 years. SHit changes.

Performance your right. But whats wrong with the guy checking on some claims???

RAT

12 June 2003, 22:03

DD214.

I signed it too... By that time I did not care what was written on it...

Now that I have been out almost 10 yrs Know what a DD214 means in the 1st CIV DIV. In my best GUY JONES voice NOT A MUTHER FUCKING THANG. :D

If I went back into Gov service it means something but the working world cares very little about it. Most don't even know what it is. I have to tell my Business Partner that we have to ask for it when they put down prior mil on an application...
Funny how that works...

RAT OUT!!!

Echo-8-Hotel

12 June 2003, 22:26

Sniper14,

Which Platoon were you in? And during what time frame?

sniper14

12 June 2003, 22:38

1/4 '96-'99

Rich raised me ...

Attila175

13 June 2003, 00:02

Army regs on combat patches, from 670-1

28-17. Shoulder sleeve insignia-former wartime service (SSI-FWTS)

a. General. Authorization to wear a shoulder sleeve insignia indicating former wartime service applies only to soldiers who are assigned to U.S. Army units that meet all the following criteria. Soldiers who were prior members of other Services that participated in operations that would otherwise meet the criteria below are not authorized to wear the SSI-FWTS. Wear is reserved for individuals who were members of U.S. Army units during the operations...

...(3) Other services. The Department of the Navy, the United States Marine Corps (USMC), and the Air Force do not authorize wear of SSI. Therefore, personnel who served in one of the designated areas during one of the specified periods, but who were not members of the U.S. Army, are not authorized to wear the SSI-FWTS on their right shoulder. The only exception to this policy is for U.S. Army members who served with the USMC during World War II from 15 March 1943 through 2 September 1946.

Echo-8-Hotel

13 June 2003, 00:25

94-99? Nah... I had already departed 1st Marines by then. The 8541s I knew during that period in 1st Marines were Terry in 3/1 and Reidsma who was in... 1/1? He's the SNCOIC at Quantico now, and Terry is a 1stSgt (he's got the Brig Co. at Quantico).

AGOCASTE

13 June 2003, 00:58

Ok, you know, sniper 14 has a point, BUT. I went to sniper school and had to leave because of a family hardship and did not graduate. And a lot of really cocky assholes said "oh you aren't a sniper" however, I was getting 10's on stalks and shooting way better than most of them at the range, and doing better than most of them on concealment exercises. Now I'm not calling you an asshole by any means, but I don't know any squared away Marines that didn't consider me a sniper, and in fact they considered me a good one. And we did get some quotas when it got close to pump to the Med, but a lot of that was dependent upon the unit like STa Marine said. And like him this was in 97 so things may have been a little different. I'm going to make this analogy so people can see where I'm coming from, and it is kind of vague but you will get the gist of it.

Coby Bryant never played college ball (sniper school), but he is one of the best damn players in the NBA (sniper).

Everything that you learn at sniper school is easily passed on at the platoon level. And any school trained sniper that spent a day in the fleet as a SS knows this as I'm sure he was tasked to pass on that knowledge to those who could not get a quota.

The bottom line is this...........WHAT YOU KNOW IS WHAT YOU KNOW. So, that being said, any one of you who has the same knowlegde as a school trained sniper who can put that knowledge into action, is a SNIPER.

AC

SOTB

13 June 2003, 11:36

Originally posted by AGOCASTE
....Everything that you learn at sniper school is easily passed on at the platoon level. And any school trained sniper that spent a day in the fleet as a SS knows this as I'm sure he was tasked to pass on that knowledge to those who could not get a quota.

The bottom line is this...........WHAT YOU KNOW IS WHAT YOU KNOW. So, that being said, any one of you who has the same knowlegde as a school trained sniper who can put that knowledge into action, is a SNIPER....

Interesting post.

I believe the idea of having "schools" is to certify for a unit commander that the assets being assigned to him are capable of performing the tasks to "X" standard (and of course teaching the skills to students). Kinda like saying that a graduate of "X" military school is capable "of AT LEAST doing this". And, just because you go to a military school does not guarantee that you will always be qualified for that role/task. If we rest on our laurels after graduating ANY type of training, then we run the risk of quickly becoming unreliable when placed under stress.

The problem with your argument is when you start to use words like "easily passed on" and "any one of you". Many skills, military and civilian, are difficult to master. Being a sniper is an example of a skill that I personally believe to be extremely difficult. Your wording, far from making me feel that you were an excellent study or remarkably gifted, actually gives me the impression that you weren't challenged enough by your trainers. And that is where the next part of your argument begins to fall apart.

Schools are set up to ensure that there is no "fubbing" of the standards. Its not a perfect system, and some schools are more strict than others. But the basic concept is to ensure that you are qualified in the eyes of a subject matter expert in performing the tasks to standard. In this case, being a sniper. In the case of Marine sniper school, its not even being able to satisfy one subject matter expert, but several at the immediate school -- and HUNDREDS throughout the Corps' system of input -- and possibly THOUSANDS if you include what has been required and studied before your attending that school.

You may have been very qualified (in your opinion, as well as the opinions of your local superiors) to be a sniper. But we have seen several posts on this board where not all SS platoons are utilized by their battalion commanders in the same manner. Not all SS platoon members are selected with the same requirements. This and a lack of guaranteeing that SS are all formally trained and certified allows for differences in the quality of these platoons.

You MAY have been a better shot, stalker, and more adept at camouflage than your student peers, as you are quick to point out. Sure, why not? But besides not having any proof (certification), another issue with your argument is that this type of mentality begins to creep into other skills as well.

Where do we draw the line? Why not let home trained doctors perform surgery? Why not allow home trained pilots fly your next cross-country trip on US Air? When I went through MFF we had a couple of students that were skydivers. One supposedly had something like 200 freefalls when he arrived at HALO school and commented to myself and some others that we should not worry -- skydiving was "easy". I specifically remember how the instructors commented on his flying skills, especially with a ruck. He wasn't meeting the "school" standard. He graduated, but had to make some serious adjustments to his attitude and attention span.

Are you going to tell me that being a sniper is not the same thing? No danger that someone who doesn't know their job might compromise themselves and blow a mission? Might not be able to engage the target as required and place themselves and other Marines in jeopardy? YES, even school trained snipers are capable of being shitheads. Just, the idea of having been certified by a formal school environment means the risk of that happening should be less.

Just an opinion.

Andy P.
SS Instructor School grad Aug 86

(edited cause I'm paranoid about ID fraud -- no really)

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 11:56

First, let me apologize for taking up space on the Marine Corps side of the house, let me know if anyone is ofended:

But I think Andy nailed it:

In 1965 I graduated flight school with 37 of my classmates, 37 out of 143:

We probably had WOCs who flew better than me but who may not have measured up in leadership potential, or perhaps violated the honor code, or busted more than 3 exams during the approx year long school, or who opted out because it was too fucking tough:

IRREGARDLESS, only 37 out of 143 had wings pinned on, and were commisioned Warrants:

The other guys may call themselves snipers (scratch that), Aviators, but no one else is buying it:

Terry

Originally posted by Southoftheborder
Interesting post.

I believe the idea of having "schools" is to certify for a unit commander that the assets being assigned to him are capable of performing the tasks to "X" standard (and of course teaching the skills to students). Kinda like saying that a graduate of "X" military school is capable "of AT LEAST doing this". And, just because you go to a military school does not guarantee that you will always be qualified for that role/task. If we rest on our laurels after graduating ANY type of training, then we run the risk of quickly becoming unreliable when placed under stress.

The problem with your argument is when you start to use words like "easily passed on" and "any one of you". Many skills, military and civilian, are difficult to master. Being a sniper is an example of a skill that I personally believe to be extremely difficult. Your wording, far from making me feel that you were an excellent study or remarkably gifted, actually gives me the impression that you weren't challenged enough by your trainers. And that is where the next part of your argument begins to fall apart.

Schools are set up to ensure that there is no "fubbing" of the standards. Its not a perfect system, and some schools are more strict than others. But the basic concept is to ensure that you are qualified in the eyes of a subject matter expert in performing the tasks to standard. In this case, being a sniper. In the case of Marine sniper school, its not even being able to satisfy one subject matter expert, but several at the immediate school -- and HUNDREDS throughout the Corps' system of input -- and possibly THOUSANDS if you include what has been required and studied before your attending that school.

You may have been very qualified (in your opinion, as well as the opinions of your local superiors) to be a sniper. But we have seen several posts on this board where not all SS platoons are utilized by their battalion commanders in the same manner. Not all SS platoon members are selected with the same requirements. This and a lack of guaranteeing that SS are all formally trained and certified allows for differences in the quality of these platoons.

You MAY have been a better shot, stalker, and more adept at camouflage than your student peers, as you are quick to point out. Sure, why not? But besides not having any proof (certification), another issue with your argument is that this type of mentality begins to creep into other skills as well.

Where do we draw the line? Why not let home trained doctors perform surgery? Why not allow home trained pilots fly your next cross-country trip on US Air? When I went through MFF we had a couple of students that were skydivers. One supposedly had something like 200 freefalls when he arrived at HALO school and commented to myself and some others that we should not worry -- skydiving was "easy". I specifically remember how the instructors commented on his flying skills, especially with a ruck. He wasn't meeting the "school" standard. He graduated, but had to make some serious adjustments to his attitude and attention span.

Are you going to tell me that being a sniper is not the same thing? No danger that someone who doesn't know their job might compromise themselves and blow a mission? Might not be able to engage the target as required and place themselves and other Marines in jeopardy? YES, even school trained snipers are capable of being shitheads. Just, the idea of having been certified by a formal school environment means the risk of that happening should be less.

Just an opinion.

Andy Potts
SS Instructor School grad Aug 86

SOTB

13 June 2003, 12:06

Originally posted by CPTAUSRET
First, let me apologize for taking up space on the Marine Corps side of the house, let me know if anyone is ofended

Hey Terry,

WTF? Don't even knock, man. Come in when you want. Just shut the door behind you as the air conditioning gets expensive..........

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 12:13

Originally posted by Southoftheborder
Hey Terry,

WTF? Don't even knock, man. Come in when you want. Just shut the door behind you as the air conditioning gets expensive.......... Southoftheborder:

Thanks for the hospitality:

Wouldn't want to push in where I wasn't welcome:

Terry

SOTB

13 June 2003, 12:19

In light of recent threads and comments on other boards here, I see where you are coming from.

But, at least for myself, I VERY much enjoy when the other services comment on each other's boards. Good info gets shared, great humor is released, and I think its pretty damn cool to have such a big assortment of experiences.

I'd like to see more of you guys come over. Makes me feel "not so bad" when I visit your areas:D .

RAT

13 June 2003, 12:20

Originally posted by CPTAUSRET
Wouldn't want to push in where I wasn't welcome:

Terry

Wasn't that Clintons office.. :D

RAT OUT!!!

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 12:22

Originally posted by Southoftheborder
In light of recent threads and comments on other boards here, I see where you are coming from.

But, at least for myself, I VERY much enjoy when the other services comment on each other's boards. Good info gets shared, great humor is released, and I think its pretty damn cool to have such a big assortment of experiences.

I'd like to see more of you guys come over. Makes me feel "not so bad" when I visit your areas:D .

You make a lot of sense:

Team concept, shared experiences, wannabes not allowed:

Hell of an idea:

Terry

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 12:27

Originally posted by RAT
Wasn't that Clintons office.. :D

RAT OUT!!!

Touche:

Now that, is funny:

Difference is, there was no professional respect given by me to the man, just "The Office":

Totally different here, respect is given to the individual, and what he brings to the table:

That's why I love this place:

Terry

AGOCASTE

13 June 2003, 12:28

All are welcome Terry, belive it or not even non sniper school grads, but its good that you cleared it with Andy first. Good call.

Ok, first of all I want to make it very understood that I am not trying to belittle sniper school. However, Andy said that schools are there for X standard and that graduates of said schools are capable of at least doing X. Well you know gents like you said, it is opinions. Sniper School is not medical school, and its not verterinary school, or dental school, and its not Flight School either, Terry.

The main problem with all this is that some people, we won't mention any names, have a hard time believing that other people are capable of mastering something that they have, without the same training, especially if that training may not have been as difficult or stressful.

You believe what you want gents and you can pick on anyone's threads here that is not "school graduated" all you want. I pitty your mentality because I'm sure that there were some Iraqi's like you sitting around smacking high five and laughing about not worrying because the American's are not all school trained, right up until.........<splat>........ Muhammads brain housing group ended up in Akbar's lap thanks to a non school graduated sniper. I sincerely hope that in your future endeavors you don't underestimate you opponents in the same sloppy fashion that you nitpick here.

SOTB

13 June 2003, 12:31

Have to go downstaris to a birthday party. In the meantime, would you mind explaining if you thought my post was slamming you or anyother non-school trained person?

If it was, it was not my intention.

If you have some other issue, please put that on the table as well, stud.

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 12:54

Originally posted by AGOCASTE
All are welcome Terry, belive it or not even non sniper school grads, but its good that you cleared it with Andy first. Good call.

Well you know gents like you said, it is opinions. Sniper School is not medical school, and its not verterinary school, or dental school, and its not Flight School either, Terry.

I pitty your mentality because I'm sure that there were some Iraqi's like you sitting around smacking high five and laughing about not worrying because the American's are not all school trained, right up until.........<splat>........ Muhammads brain housing group ended up in Akbar's lap thanks to a non school graduated sniper. I sincerely hope that in your future endeavors you don't underestimate you opponents in the same sloppy fashion that you nitpick here.

AGOCASTE:

I wasn't looking to get into a pissing contest, but if you insist:

I will put my (mentality) up against yours any fucking time stud, I presume you are referring to intellectual capacity or IQ, mine is right at 150:

Now my combat experience may not measure up to yours, 3 and a half tours in Vietnam, 3000 plus hours combat time flying gunships, B-models and Cobras, shot down several times, shot more than once, and I have more than a couple of edged weapon wounds, (when the "little fuckers" stuck bayonets, or combat knives in me) after I had run out of ammo and only had a combat knife myself, which I used to send the "little fuckers" home in body bags:

You want to continue this pissing contest hero?

My apologies to the rest of the board:

Terry

AGOCASTE

13 June 2003, 13:07

Quite the contrary Cptausret........I was never looking for a pissing contest, that is the whole problem. I fully recognize people for their skills and what they have done and am saying that it is not accurate to say that someone is incapable of doing a certain job just because they did not graduate from a certain school.

I know that you read Andy's little rip on my saying that sniper skills can be passed on in a context other than formal school. And I know this because you chose to back his little rip up by saying "Andy nailed it".

My point in the IRAQ parody is that there are non school graduate snipers out there "doing it" everyday.

As for you and your combat and your wounds, you are the reason why I ever enlisted in the Marine Corps! Sorry if what I wrote set you off, it's hard to articulate exactly what I want to say sometimes even though, ironically, my IQ is exactly 150 as well.

AC

Attila175

13 June 2003, 13:18

A non school trained/graduate may be acting as a sniper in a unit but if he goes to a new unit that does not know him, will they consider him a sniper?

Why is sniper school different from any other school?
You are not a Marine unless you complete boot camp.
You are not a diver unless you go through dive school. Doesnt matter how much you know from scubadiving.

RAT

13 June 2003, 13:28

My IQ from the FOX deal the other night was about 135 So how about dem apples.

Now Terry...:rolleyes: I know your back ground and I have to say you were in the enemys AO. Talking to him and you STILL LET CLINTON GO.... Bastage... If I had the chance... I tell you... LMFAO...:p

RAT OUT!!!

AGOCASTE

13 June 2003, 13:31

RAT, thanks for lightening things up a bit, or trying to anyways:cool:

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 13:35

Originally posted by AGOCASTE
Quite the contrary Cptausret........I was never looking for a pissing contest, that is the whole problem. I fully recognize people for their skills and what they have done and am saying that it is not accurate to say that someone is incapable of doing a certain job just because they did not graduate from a certain school.

I know that you read Andy's little rip on my saying that sniper skills can be passed on in a context other than formal school. And I know this because you chose to back his little rip up by saying "Andy nailed it".

My point in the IRAQ parody is that there are non school graduate snipers out there "doing it" everyday.

As for you and your combat and your wounds, you are the reason why I ever enlisted in the Marine Corps! Sorry if what I wrote set you off, it's hard to articulate exactly what I want to say sometimes even though, ironically, my IQ is exactly 150 as well.

AC

Where do I begin?

I am going to give you some advice perhaps pointedly, but you had better listen, and accept it:

You are posting on SOCNET, this site is driven by the BTDT's, if someone is voted into the Team Room here, they have passed the toughest scrutiny possible. And been voted in by their peers, others who have proven up their stuff and have been voted in:

Andy didn't post a little rip, he voiced his opinion and around here that counts for a hell of a lot more than does yours (see above):

You have been here "all fucking day", and have already proven to have a thin skin. That won't hack it around here, walk on eggshells for awhile, tread softly and pretend that you are back in boot camp:

This site is all about respect, and you have not earned any yet, NADA:

I turned down USMAPS, cause I didn't want to spend all that time going to college, I also liked the idea of becoming a senior NCO I ended up as E-7, CW-3, and received a direct commission in Vietnam:

I have paid my dues, Andy has paid his dues, you have not:

I haven't opened your PM, you made this public so we'll finish it right here:

Terry

AGOCASTE

13 June 2003, 13:50

CPT, are you flirting with me? <blushing>

I'm kidding. I do not have thin skin, you may wish it was that easy to sum me up based upon a few posts. You see, this is the thing. You guys have someone new come on here and you test them. And if they don't react to that test the way you want them to, then you get your panties in a bunch and then try to alienate them on the site. I have seen it plenty in several other vbulletins, not to me, but I have seen it.

You sure can dish it out, criticism, but you can't take it. And if you think that someone who hasn't been where you have or done what you have can't offer anthing positive or new, you are sadly mistaken. Surely, judging by your age and life experience, that cannot be how you are in real life.

If you want to get all pissed off and gruff, ie) "here' some advice pointedly and you had better listen or else...yada...yada" that is fine, but you are the one who is showing his thin skin.

Since you can dish it but seem to not be able to take it, I will bug out of here. No hard feelings on my part. Hey congratulations, another victory for you.

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 13:57

Originally posted by AGOCASTE
CPT, are you flirting with me? <blushing>

I'm kidding. I do not have thin skin, you may wish it was that easy to sum me up based upon a few posts. You see, this is the thing. You guys have someone new come on here and you test them. And if they don't react to that test the way you want them to, then you get your panties in a bunch and then try to alienate them on the site. I have seen it plenty in several other vbulletins, not to me, but I have seen it.

You sure can dish it out, criticism, but you can't take it. And if you think that someone who hasn't been where you have or done what you have can't offer anthing positive or new, you are sadly mistaken. Surely, judging by your age and life experience, that cannot be how you are in real life.

If you want to get all pissed off and gruff, ie) "here' some advice pointedly and you had better listen or else...yada...yada" that is fine, but you are the one who is showing his thin skin.

Since you can dish it but seem to not be able to take it, I will bug out of here. No hard feelings on my part. Hey congratulations, another victory for you.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass, hero:

I gave you the best advice I had to give, I don't care how many website commandoes you have observed. This is SOCNET and until you have paid your dues "you aint shit" here:

"Talking the talk" aint "walking the walk":

Terry

SOTB

13 June 2003, 14:28

Originally posted by AGOCASTE
I know that you read Andy's little rip on my saying that sniper skills can be passed on in a context other than formal school. And I know this because you chose to back his little rip up by saying "Andy nailed it".

If you think that I was "ripping" on your sniper skills you were wrong. I was specifically referring to your wording when you were describing YOUR reasons for why you did not consider formal sniper school to be important.

I haven't seen you shoot. You may be a great shot. Believe me when I say that I am immediately attentive when I see someone with a gun. John Malvo also wasn't a school trained sniper and was still able to cause a lot of problems -- and he was just a teenager.

The main problem with all this is that some people, we won't mention any names, have a hard time believing that other people are capable of mastering something that they have, without the same training, especially if that training may not have been as difficult or stressful.

Refer to my above comment.

You sure can dish it out, criticism, but you can't take it. And if you think that someone who hasn't been where you have or done what you have can't offer anthing positive or new, you are sadly mistaken....Since you can dish it but seem to not be able to take it, I will bug out of here. No hard feelings on my part. Hey congratulations, another victory for you.

Stud, if I'm not mistaken you showed up here by posting a poll as to which military school was better (i.e. BUDS, Ranger, SF Qual, Marine Sniper, etc.). Maybe there was something more to your, "Oh and hey, let's have some fun with this." You seem to have a hell of an attitude about formal military schools. Why?

I told you via PM that we were glad to have you here on the board, but that your initial post made you seem more like a 16 year old than a Marine. I understand that might have sounded harsh to you, but I wasn't the only one to call it that way.

FWIW, I no longer believe that you are a 16 year old. No, I truly believe that you are a 20 something former Marine. Someone who also appears to be pissed off at the world and looking for someone to tell you that you are really an OK guy. Your posts here and in the "I called the police on a buddy and I wannabe a cop" thread also show a quickness to not like what or how people respond to you. I hope that you haven't, up to this point, gotten the idea that someone here had a problem with you personally or thought your opinions did not count. I really don't think that was happening.

Notwithstanding the above posts, I think you're an assclown. Run next door to your buddy's house and tell him you were picked on at SOCNET. Have him throw a beer at us also. Tell him to leave the cap on. In fact, have him heave a case of it by the front door.

AGOCASTE

13 June 2003, 14:52

Andy,

I can appreciate your post however, you stated that you did not see how anyone had a personal problem with me. Here are some examples that suggest otherwise.

#1) you picked me out of the blue to do, some checking on, way before this nonsense got to where it is.

#2) I explained to you that the school comparisson was for my information only and you are still talking about it.

#3) You and Terry using terms like "stud" and "hero" and "assclown" in a condescending manner, well, that is personal.

#4) If you review the thread, I said over and over that I did was making no attempt to belittle formal schools. Yet you still try to say that I am, which is simply not true.

#5) Maybe I am looking for a little acceptance. That is not a crime. I went to sniper school and had to leave due to family emergency and worked really hard to learn what I missed and to become as proficient as a real "hog", so that I could defend my country one day if needed and die for it if need be, only to end up here being harrassed and called a 20 year old assclown.

So, with that being said, I know that you and Terry aren't going to change your opinion of me, and I accept that. You guys seem very intelligent and maybe you have been burned by real 20 year old assclowns, so in a way I can't blame you. But, some people are for real, even if you don't want to believe it or don't like it.

Take care,

AC

Sabre07

13 June 2003, 14:56

Originally posted by CPTAUSRET
AGOCASTE:

I wasn't looking to get into a pissing contest, but if you insist:

I will put my (mentality) up against yours any fucking time stud, I presume you are referring to intellectual capacity or IQ, mine is right at 150:

Now my combat experience may not measure up to yours, 3 and a half tours in Vietnam, 3000 plus hours combat time flying gunships, B-models and Cobras, shot down several times, shot more than once, and I have more than a couple of edged weapon wounds, (when the "little fuckers" stuck bayonets, or combat knives in me) after I had run out of ammo and only had a combat knife myself, which I used to send the "little fuckers" home in body bags:

You want to continue this pissing contest hero?

My apologies to the rest of the board:

Terry

Drive on, boss!

AGOCASTE: check yourself, dude.

Xdeth

13 June 2003, 15:00

Pulling up comm wire and claymores, heading directly away from impending zuni rocket and minigun run :cool:

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 15:06

Sabre07, and Xdeth:

It was not my intent to get into a pissing contest on your boards:

Terry

SOTB

13 June 2003, 15:06

Originally posted by AGOCASTE
I can appreciate your post ....

#1) you picked me out of the blue to do, some checking on, way before this nonsense got to where it is.

#3) You and Terry using terms like "stud" and "hero" and "assclown" in a condescending manner, well, that is personal.

#5) Maybe I am looking for a little acceptance. That is not a crime. I went to sniper school and had to leave due to family emergency and worked really hard to learn what I missed and to become as proficient as a real "hog", so that I could defend my country one day if needed and die for it if need be, only to end up here being harrassed and called a 20 year old assclown.

So, with that being said, I know that you and Terry aren't going to change your opinion of me, and I accept that. You guys seem very intelligent and maybe you have been burned by real 20 year old assclowns, so in a way I can't blame you. But, some people are for real, even if you don't want to believe it or don't like it.

And NOW you are acting like an adult. From ME to YOU, good job.

*Didn't pick anyone out of the blue. YOU did. You posted a thread which grabbed the attention of several of the other posters on this board, some of whom questioned even your age. The request to you for more info was still given with a "welcome aboard" and a "glad to have you here".

*Terminolgy aside, what would you have us call you? Marine? Hell, what info you've given us doesn't even confirm that. Nonetheless, you got it. For my part, Marine it is, from this point on.

*You came off a bit different than just wanting acceptance. I'd wager that this board is probably a lousy place to come looking for it anyway (too much humor, not enough "sensitivity"). But hang around long enough without getting pissed at the drop of a hat, and acceptance might just be forthcoming.

Once again, welcome to the board.

Andy

SOTB

13 June 2003, 15:12

Originally posted by CPTAUSRET
Sabre07, and Xdeth:

It was not my intent to get into a pissing contest on your boards:

Terry

You helo dudes take advantage of altitude during "pissing contests".

Xdeth

13 June 2003, 15:17

Not a prob Capn', air support is always welcome!

AGOCASTE,

Andy seems like one of the calmest guys around here, but I bet we'd have to rebuild the forum if you had continued pissing him off. I'd take a little break from posting for awhile.

AGOCASTE

13 June 2003, 15:20

Andy, Thanks.

My appologies again for ruffling any feathers.
It is hard to prove that one is what one says on here without relaying personal info on the web. I'm just nervous about that, I got screwed with credit fraud by some yahoo and he messed up my credit. So, now I'm paranoid about giving out info.

If you can think of another way for me to varify that I am an actual Marine, I'd be glad to oblige.

To Andy and Terry and everyone else. Hey, I lost my head, I've been out four years and got out a SGT. I forgot what it was like to be a BOOT. Boot's get no say so. I am the boot here so forgive me.

Thanks however, Andy for making amends. I look forward to future discussions and will take your advice about losing my cool.

sincerely,

AC

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 15:33

Originally posted by Southoftheborder
You helo dudes take advantage of altitude during "pissing contests".

Southoftheborder:

Altitude and a just a little, attitude!

Terry

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 15:37

Originally posted by Xdeth
Not a prob Capn', air support is always welcome!

AGOCASTE,

Andy seems like one of the calmest guys around here, but I bet we'd have to rebuild the forum if you had continued pissing him off. I'd take a little break from posting for awhile.

I always enjoyed providing the Marines with CAS, as opposed to the 44th ARVN Rangers who always bitched about hot brass down their collars:

I figured if it aint hot brass, it aint Close Air Support:

Terry

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 16:00

AGOCASTE:

I don't hold grudges:

The advice I gave you was the best I had to offer:

Your future on SOCNET lies entirely in your hands:

Terry

sta marine

13 June 2003, 16:12

cptusaret,
150 dosent that make you a genius? I think so... 150 and above right? are you a mensa member?

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 16:25

Originally posted by sta marine
cptusaret,
150 dosent that make you a genius? I think so... 150 and above right? are you a mensa member?

sta marine:

Actually I believe the cutoff for MENSA is 135, and no I have not applied:

Cute thing is, no one has ever been able to measure my wifes IQ it is off the charts:

Go to a search engine, and type in the name Nancy Andreasen, should come back with something like 6-7000 hits:

sniper14

13 June 2003, 16:31

Way to go fellers, you scared pvtpyle (the original poster) away!

Holy cow, some sensitive people around here. I guess I could reply to some of what ago-whoever said, but it's pretty much been covered.

One thing though Ago: Whenever you say to someone "I don't mean to call you an asshole," you are pretty much calling them an asshole. Don't do that, especially when you have no idea who you are talking to.

That's it for me.

Masalama

SGTROCK

13 June 2003, 17:17

Is this guy who claims to be Force wearing his wings and dive bubble?Alot of BSers dont know that yes the Recon MOS is 0321 but once you get qualified either jump or dive the MOS changes.Easy to catch a poser this way.If hes claiming Force he should be qualified in both which is 8654.If he claims just jump school its 8652.Dive only 8653.This should be real easy and straight forward Ive caught many a poser this way!!

Captausret, as far as Im concerned(which really amounts to diddly)you are ALWAYS welcome on the Marine boards.Your input,knowledge and experience is always appreciated in/on any of the threads!!BTW 150 IQ,why so low.:D

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 17:50

Originally posted by SGTROCK

Captausret, as far as Im concerned(which really amounts to diddly)you are ALWAYS welcome on the Marine boards.Your input,knowledge and experience is always appreciated in/on any of the threads!!BTW 150 IQ,why so low.:D

Thanks for the welcome, guys:

It is appreciated:

Terry

sta marine

13 June 2003, 18:12

Originally posted by CPTAUSRET
sta marine:

Actually I believe the cutoff for MENSA is 135, and no I have not applied:

Cute thing is, no one has ever been able to measure my wifes IQ it is off the charts:

Go to a search engine, and type in the name Nancy Andreasen, should come back with something like 6-7000 hits:

can't be 135, because I've got a 131 and theres NO WAY I'm close to genius. If it is 135 I lost respect for mensa...:D I've also read alot of your posts to include the clinton office one, and I know she wouldn't be there unless she was a genius. Man it must be cool to be married to a genius, but I bet the arguments suck... How can you win? Do you just rely on the old whaterer!!!! or anyway!!!!! Thats what I do because my fiance is really smart too. My favorite is the old stone wall: Look nothing you say is gonna change my mind so don't waste your breath....:D

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 18:19

Originally posted by sta marine
can't be 135, because I've got a 131 and theres NO WAY I'm close to genius. If it is 135 I lost respect for mensa...:D I've also read alot of your posts to include the clinton office one, and I know she wouldn't be there unless she was a genius. Man it must be cool to be married to a genius, but I bet the arguments suck... How can you win? Do you just rely on the old whaterer!!!! D

We do not argue all that much, and I generally concede scientific matters to Nancy:

It is certainly never boring at our dinner table:

Terry

(1VB)compforce

13 June 2003, 18:25

The standard for MENSA fluctuates. The actual requirement is that you fall in the top 2% of the population on a standardized intelligence test. The most used test is the California Test of Mental Maturity. The cutoff for membership on that test is 130. I'd wager that most of the people on this board (except the wannabes and Rangers :D ) would qualify. The "genius line" is 165.

Jay

sta marine

13 June 2003, 18:32

Originally posted by (1VB)compforce
The standard for MENSA fluctuates. The actual requirement is that you fall in the top 2% of the population on a standardized intelligence test. The most used test is the California Test of Mental Maturity. The cutoff for membership on that test is 130. I'd wager that most of the people on this board (except the wannabes and Rangers :D ) would qualify. The "genius line" is 165.

Jay

130!!! wow 1 point I made it. I'm a genius... I just lost all respect for geniuses. Obviously it dont mean shit. I'm a friggin high school drop out!!!! Left high school a little early to join the corps :D. Had a tier 2 enlistment. But I got the diploma when I turned 21, while I was still in.

Yea, it's true... I'm not that smart. :(

NewportBarGuy

13 June 2003, 18:35

Originally posted by (1VB)compforce
(except the wannabes and Rangers :D )

Jay

Let the dogpile commence!!

NewportBarGuy

13 June 2003, 18:43

Are you ready to be judged?

(1VB)compforce

13 June 2003, 18:44

130!!! wow 1 point I made it. I'm a genius...

lol, no, you're qualified for membership in MENSA, 165 is a genius...

Let the dogpile commence!!

Bring it on!!! (although I am a bit worried about getting groped by some of those third batt guys)

Jay

Turing

13 June 2003, 18:48

Ex-SSgt in the Air Force, worked electronics.

Read alot of these threads because I miss the military, and because there is a wealth of information/experience here.

My reason for posting is this: Sir, CPTAUSRET, your IQ is extremely high as several have noted. Judging from others writing ability, (I am in awe of Sneaky SF Dude and his GIC theory), I reckon there are some others here with fairly high IQs. In your circles, which was obviously different from mine, was it that common to run across people of that intelligence?

In my experience, it was a bit more rare to meet those who were exceptionally intelligent. Despite the reputation, I'm not sure the Air Force attracts more intelligent people.

Regardless, I could ramble, but I'm much more interested in what others have to say about intelligence and how it affects your military career.

Thank you for the time.

P.S. - I did a search on Nancy Andreason, turned up 1.2 million hits.

Edited to correct spelling of your wife's name.

Edited to add that the reason I got 1.2 million hits is cause I misspelled it, which I realize now, but I'll leave the number unchanged.

sta marine

13 June 2003, 18:48

who says I'm not a genius???????

SOTB

13 June 2003, 18:49

Hey NBG, was that one of those "I'm smart too" exams?

'Cause I got something about working on a ranch, running to get the job done, and looks like a river had a bunch of people drowned in it.

That about right? Oh and some Mexican f**ker was saying something at the end, but I can't read that damn foreign lingo.

(1VB)compforce

13 June 2003, 18:54

Originally posted by sta marine
who says I'm not a genius???????

Originally posted by sta marine

can't be 135, because I've got a 131 and theres NO WAY I'm close to genius.

FIRE!!!!

SOTB

13 June 2003, 18:55

BTW, since this thread has about went off-topic as much as is possible (thankfully), here is something for all of those who might not feel confident about themselves (like some of you doubting your intelligence). Hope you find it inspiring....

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 19:01

Ex-SSgt:

Short answer. This info may be dated, but the last time I checked a minimum IQ of 110 was required to apply to any of the service acadamies, while 120 was required to apply for specops:

You have already noted that far from being knuckle draggers, most on these boards are far above whatever the national average IQ may be:

So, if you did the search on Nancy what field is her Ph.D. in?

Terry

Originally posted by Turing
Ex-SSgt in the Air Force, worked electronics.

Read alot of these threads because I miss the military, and because there is a wealth of information/experience here.

My reason for posting is this: Sir, CPTAUSRET, your IQ is extremely high as several have noted. Judging from others writing ability, (I am in awe of Sneaky SF Dude and his GIC theory), I reckon there are some others here with fairly high IQs. In your circles, which was obviously different from mine, was it that common to run across people of that intelligence?

In my experience, it was a bit more rare to meet those who were exceptionally intelligent. Despite the reputation, I'm not sure the Air Force attracts more intelligent people.

Regardless, I could ramble, but I'm much more interested in what others have to say about intelligence and how it affects your military career.

Thank you for the time.

P.S. - I did a search on Nancy Anderson, turned up 1.2 million hits.

sta marine

13 June 2003, 19:01

Originally posted by (1VB)compforce
FIRE!!!!

Shit, your like my fiance. Wait I will use the same counter.....

I NEVER said that, someone must have changed what I said. Probably southoftheborder....

sta marine

13 June 2003, 19:06

splash out...

(1VB)compforce

13 June 2003, 19:07

You have already noted that far from being knuckle draggers, most on these boards are far above whatever the national average IQ may be:

by definition, the average IQ for someone that is your age is 100. IQ is a percentage as compared to the national average. So someone with a 130 IQ would have learned 1.3 times the average person of the same age did. This is why IQ scores drop as you get older.

As an example, at age 7 I was measured at a particular score. Age 9 the score was about the same. Age 16 the score had dropped about 15 points. At age 28 the score had dropped another 5 points. Now I've pretty much stabilized, although I expect at age 40 to have dropped a few more points.

Jay

sta marine

13 June 2003, 19:10

OHHHHHHH your leaving me such a goooooooddddd tempting opening here. But I wont say anything......

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 19:10

Originally posted by Southoftheborder
BTW, since this thread has about went off-topic as much as is possible (thankfully), here is something for all of those who might not feel confident about themselves (like some of you doubting your intelligence). Hope you find it inspiring.... Damn:

Is that a seriously ugly guy with a sexual orientation problem?

Or

Is that a seriously ugly gal with a sexual orientation problem?

Or...?

Terry

sta marine

13 June 2003, 19:14

Originally posted by CPTAUSRET
Damn:

Is that a seriously ugly guy with a sexual orientation problem?

Or

Is that a seriously ugly gal with a sexual orientation problem?

Or...?

Terry

No, thats SOTB!!! His hair is grown out...:D

(1VB)compforce

13 June 2003, 19:16

funniest part of that is that he's a graphic artist from Florida named Jeff, used to work with the guy. He has got one SERIOUSLY hot girlfriend too...

NewportBarGuy

13 June 2003, 19:16

Senor SOB, (Don't get on me about the tilde! I can't do that or the pound sterling sign that Kirk can do)

That image frightens me. Are you sure that you never worked in PSYOPS?

I'm no smart. Me got about IQ of 100. I just cut and paste everything I type here from google.com

I do know what pedantic means. But anything aside from a 3 syllable word has me pulling a Homer.

I need no number to tell me that I'd be asking Terry for help on anything above basic stuff that confuses me, and his wife, who I have searched on google before that... All I have to say about Terry's wife is that thank the lord for giving us such a mind, and her wit. PLEASE everyone go back and read the Vietnam Veteran in Clinton's Oval Office thread and see what her response was to a call from the White House. He needs no one to tell him, that he's got one heck of an outstanding woman in his life. With all due respect, Sir.

Senor SOB, I can't tell you the square root of 674, but I can tell you where Huggy Bear from Starsky and Hutch was born. I can tell you NOMAAAAAAH's batting avg. and the ingredients for a super awesome sidecar. I is not the brightest pumpkin in the patch... And Sneaky has an IQ of 457 for those who want to know. Ask a guy called peacenik, he'll verify.

Jay... You have been targeted for termination... "We need guns. Lots and Lots of guns."

Jay... You have be targeted for termination.

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 19:25

Originally posted by NewportBarGuy

I need no number to tell me that I'd be asking Terry for help on anything above basic stuff that confuses me, and his wife, who I have searched on google before that... All I have to say about Terry's wife is that thank the lord for giving us such a mind, and her wit. PLEASE everyone go back and read the Vietnam Veteran in Clinton's Oval Office thread and see what her response was to a call from the White House. He needs no one to tell him, that he's got one heck of an outstanding woman in his life. With all due respect, Sir. NBG:

I really appreciate what you just said about Nancy:

What I did is history, and Nancy is still striving to save the world, at least that 1 percent with Schizophrenia:

Terry:)

Turing

13 June 2003, 19:35

I read a bit about her work at www.uiowa.edu. Pretty far outside my ability to comment on or speculate, although I understood the basic gist to be research into schizophrenia, the origins of it and the effects.

Her Ph.D seemd to be in Psychiatry, at least she was stated to be a professor of Psychiatry, but another webpage stated she was an associate professor of English before going to medical school. If I had to guess, she had a Ph.D in English then went to medical school, but I never saw a detailed bio. Which probably explains her work with depression and the effects of creativity on writers.

Thank you for time,

-david

Sneaky SF Dude

13 June 2003, 19:40

Originally posted by Turing
I am in awe of Sneaky SF Dude and his GIC theory

First of all, thank you very much, awe is good. Second, GIC is not, I repeat not, a theory. It is fact, just like the law of gravity. It has been proven time and time again in bars in Fayettenam, Savanna, Jacksonville, etc. It is not service dependent either, it crosses all known boundaries.

I don't know anything about IQ, but you had to have a 110 GT score to get in to SF. 125 was about average for medics in my class. What you get here is a cross between the capability argue almost any topic and the capability to inititate GIC BAM at the drop of the hat.

I find it helps people if you think of the military along the lines of the Church. You have the lay people - those are the regular troopies. Then you have the Deacons, those are the infantry dudes. Then you have the Priests - Paratroopers, pilots, Marine Infantry. Then you have the Bishops - cherry SF, cherry Rangers, Marine Recon Bn, CCT. Then there are the Cardinals - SF, Rangers, Force Recon, PJs, Cobra and Apache pilots, etc. I, of course, am the fuckin' Pope because I am an 18D. Doc is also the Pope. As are SOB, Teutates, The Reaper, CPTAUSRET, Mr. Hazen, etc. Unlike the Church, that has only one Pope, we have many Popes, most can be found on Socnet. Outside the confines of the church you have Ninjas - Ruffner and Ubercree.

Don't let these guys shit you AF Dude. Some of them are cheating and getting their wives to help them post (especially the Marines).

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 19:50

Turing;

Good answer:

Nancy attended Oxford on a Fulbright, her Ph.D. is indeed English Lit:

Terry
Originally posted by Turing
I read a bit about her work at www.uiowa.edu. Pretty far outside my ability to comment on or speculate, although I understood the basic gist to be research into schizophrenia, the origins of it and the effects.

Her Ph.D seemd to be in Psychiatry, at least she was stated to be a professor of Psychiatry, but another webpage stated she was an associate professor of English before going to medical school. If I had to guess, she had a Ph.D in English then went to medical school, but I never saw a detailed bio. Which probably explains her work with depression and the effects of creativity on writers.

Thank you for time,

-david

CPTAUSRET

13 June 2003, 19:53

Sneaky:

Wondered when you would show up:

And AMEN to your analogy:

Terry
Originally posted by Sneaky SF Dude
First of all, thank you very much, awe is good. Second, GIC is not, I repeat not, a theory. It is fact, just like the law of gravity. It has been proven time and time again in bars in Fayettenam, Savanna, Jacksonville, etc. It is not service dependent either, it crosses all known boundaries.

I don't know anything about IQ, but you had to have a 110 GT score to get in to SF. 125 was about average for medics in my class. What you get here is a cross between the capability argue almost any topic and the capability to inititate GIC BAM at the drop of the hat.

I find it helps people if you think of the military along the lines of the Church. You have the lay people - those are the regular troopies. Then you have the Deacons, those are the infantry dudes. Then you have the Priests - Paratroopers, pilots, Marine Infantry. Then you have the Bishops - cherry SF, cherry Rangers, Marine Recon Bn, CCT. Then there are the Cardinals - SF, Rangers, Force Recon, PJs, Cobra and Apache pilots, etc. I, of course, am the fuckin' Pope because I am an 18D. Doc is also the Pope. As are SOB, Teutates, The Reaper, CPTAUSRET, Mr. Hazen, etc. Unlike the Church, that has only one Pope, we have many Popes, most can be found on Socnet. Outside the confines of the church you have Ninjas - Ruffner and Ubercree.

Don't let these guys shit you AF Dude. Some of them are cheating and getting their wives to help them post (especially the Marines). :cool:

Bravo_One_Three

13 June 2003, 19:56

Originally posted by Sneaky SF Dude
Don't let these guys shit you AF Dude. Some of them are cheating and getting their wives to help them post (especially the Marines).

I resent that remark... she only did it once!!!

Turing

13 June 2003, 20:03

Originally posted by Sneaky SF Dude

I find it helps people if you think of the military along the lines of the Church. You have the lay people - those are the regular troopies.

Don't let these guys shit you AF Dude. Some of them are cheating and getting their wives to help them post (especially the Marines). [/B]

Not sure I like being a lay person, but I'll let it slide since I'm not in a position to argue.

I could use a proofreader/writer to post for me, ain't gonna blame anyone who uses their better half.

Not going to blow smoke, but from what I've read with the archived threads, many of you are certifiable heroes, so I appreciate you taking the time to talk.

Off for the night to get some beer in me.

-david

SOTB

13 June 2003, 20:04

Originally posted by Sneaky SF Dude
Some of them are cheating and getting their wives to help them post (especially the Marines).

Damn it! I TOLD her to stop posting with her shirt off. I don't care if we don't have AC in the computer room........

SOTB

13 June 2003, 20:06

Originally posted by Turing
Off for the night to get some beer in me.

Sounds like he's mighty intelligent to me. Here I am stuck babysitting.......

Sean0352

14 June 2003, 14:02

Hey, I'll have you know my wife DOES NOT post for me!!! And it's good to know I fit in the Priest catagory. That just made my day!!

Sean

(1VB)compforce

14 June 2003, 14:09

I find it helps people if you think of the military along the lines of the Church. You have the lay people - those are the regular troopies. Then you have the Deacons, those are the infantry dudes. Then you have the Priests - Paratroopers, pilots, Marine Infantry. Then you have the Bishops - cherry SF, cherry Rangers, Marine Recon Bn, CCT. Then there are the Cardinals - SF, Rangers, Force Recon, PJs, Cobra and Apache pilots, etc. I, of course, am the fuckin' Pope because I am an 18D. Doc is also the Pope. As are SOB, Teutates, The Reaper, CPTAUSRET, Mr. Hazen, etc. Unlike the Church, that has only one Pope, we have many Popes, most can be found on Socnet. Outside the confines of the church you have Ninjas - Ruffner and Ubercree.

So are us AASLT types Deacons or Priests?

*waiting to be stuck in a stereotype*

Jay

Sneaky SF Dude

14 June 2003, 15:19

Originally posted by (1VB)compforce
So are us AASLT types Deacons or Priests?

*waiting to be stuck in a stereotype*

Jay

I don't know what ASSLT is.

(1VB)compforce

14 June 2003, 17:46

AASLT= Air Assault -- 101st

Jay

Sneaky SF Dude

14 June 2003, 19:17

Aah! After the 'Stan and Iraq-definitely Priests, possibly Bishops.

frogstyle

14 June 2003, 22:15

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RAT
[B]DD214.

I signed it too... By that time I did not care what was written on it...

RAT, No truer words spoken.. I didnt give a damn what it said either...]

frogstyle

14 June 2003, 22:21

Originally posted by AGOCASTE
All are welcome Terry,
You believe what you want gents and you can pick on anyone's threads here that is not "school graduated" all you want. I pitty your mentality because I'm sure that there were some Iraqi's like you sitting around smacking high five and laughing about not worrying because the American's are not all school trained, right up until.........<splat>........ Muhammads brain housing group ended up in Akbar's lap thanks to a non school graduated sniper. I sincerely hope that in your future endeavors you don't underestimate you opponents in the same sloppy fashion that you nitpick here.

I havent the time to read thid thread in its entirety...

SO, if you made peace with Terry on say pager 5 or 6, I apologize humbly.

But in absence of that I FUCKIN HATE YOU!. Watch your mouth shitpacker!

Again, if you made peace withe Fellas please accept my apologies and regards. But if not observe the above!

Pvtpyle

14 June 2003, 22:25

You didn't scare me away, I was wisk off to JRTC a bit quicker than I anticipated. PM sent.

sta marine

15 June 2003, 01:04

edited. wrong forum

AGOCASTE

15 June 2003, 07:10

Frogstyle,

Yes sir, I did attempt to make ammends with Terry. Been laying low, didn't mean to piss anyone off. Some bad choice in wording in some posts. (understatment) Hope noone really "Hates Me", I am actually a pretty good guy (my opinion I know). I really wasn't ever trying to discredit anyone here, I know that compared to most, I haven't done shit. My 4 years was pretty much uneventful, lots of training and duty bitch. Anyways, thanks for that advanced apology, I really respect that.

Take Care,

AC

P.S. Since I'm not an official 8541, maybe I should not post here. I know that all the true snipers worked hard to gain that title. Hope that there are no hard feelings. Well, be good and stay motivated.

AC out.

sta marine

15 June 2003, 17:04

think you kind of got twisted up in your own parachute man. You seem to think that everyone is a badge protector here. Like you have to have gone to this school and that one. NOT TRUE. I dont think anyone on here really gives a shit what schools you did or didn't go to. You seem to be a little more defensive about that than anyone else. What people do care about is integrity and intelligence. If you were a grunt, people on here are fine with that. Just don't say you were a FR grunt if you wern't thats what people get upset about. For instance, your profile said 8541, Bro your not an 8541... I realize you know everything about the gun, and stalking, and concealment. BUT without the school you don't have the MOS. I see you changed it, but thats probably why people got confused or asked questions.

Bottom line be proud of what you did do, theres no reason to be ashmed of being a Marine infantry Sgt. If you were in FR great, if you were not oh well.. Move on. It dosent lessen anyones opinion of you that you aren't school trained. But as you can see saying you were if you were not does.

In short feel free to post here, just don't tangle in your own lines again.

Anyway, I'm not attacking you just letting you know.

CPTAUSRET

16 June 2003, 19:33

Originally posted by sta marine
What people do care about is integrity and intelligence. If you were a grunt, people on here are fine with that. Just don't say you were a FR grunt if you wern't thats what people get upset about. For instance, your profile said 8541, Bro your not an 8541... I realize you know everything about the gun, and stalking, and concealment. BUT without the school you don't have the MOS. I see you changed it, but thats probably why people got confused or asked questions.

Bottom line be proud of what you did do, theres no reason to be ashmed of being a Marine infantry Sgt. If you were in FR great, if you were not oh well.. Move on. It dosent lessen anyones opinion of you that you aren't school trained. But as you can see saying you were if you were not does.

In short feel free to post here, just don't tangle in your own lines again.

Anyway, I'm not attacking you just letting you know. Concur with the above post:

stamarine covered it pretty well:

Terry

Sabre07

16 June 2003, 20:01

Originally posted by CPTAUSRET
Concur with the above post:

stamarine covered it pretty well:

Terry

Dadgum STA Marine rat-dude...you got props from the CPT...just about makes up for that hamsterbation story....

RAT

16 June 2003, 20:57

AGOCASTE,

This is not to you as much as to anyone else who is new that is reading this,

I don't know how long you have been on this forum or I should have said read these forums. Just a little insider info from one Marine to another...

As a Unit ( I am talking about SOCNET here) we have Men from BUD/S /UDT Class 0 (Yes ZERO the very 1st one) Men from Blue Light, Just Cause, Urgent Fury, Gluf War, every know High Speed unit in the US to include Avators who have flown in every conflict the US has seen in the past 35 yrs.(For you Terry and ACE ;)) I am not trying to undermind what you have done in our Marine Corps... It is just that site is unique in that we are lucky that so many men like this hang out in one area. I like you choose to get out after a few yrs. Nothing wrong with that. Some of these men have made a life of this Militery. For that I am truly GREATFUL... I wanted to move on. But these men have a tremendous about of Knoweldge and policy on their side... So sometimes it is better to read and cool off like you have done before posting... HELL I let a post ride for a day or two I get so wraped up... Gald to see you comming around. Looking forward to some great insite from you.

SEMPER FI,

RAT OUT!!!

sta marine

16 June 2003, 21:18

Cptausret,,

Thank you sir, You have no idea how much that means to me coming from a man like you.

Saber07,
That wasn't me... I swear. I copy and pasted that story from somewhere. I dont play with hampster PP.

You do have a great memory though. Good to know that if I get to be remembered for anything its for jerking off a hampster post.....:p

CPTAUSRET

16 June 2003, 21:22

Originally posted by sta marine
Cptausret,,

Thank you sir

Back at ya, Marine:

Terry

Sabre07

16 June 2003, 21:50

Originally posted by sta marine

[QUOTE]
Saber07,
That wasn't me... I swear.

how many times have I heard that since 1983?

You do have a great memory though. Good to know that if I get to be remembered for anything its for jerking off a hampster post.....:p [/B]

not too bad for a bald headed madman...

AGOCASTE

17 June 2003, 16:40

Sta Marine, Rat, and CPT,

Thanks guys I feel better. :D

Echo-8-Hotel

19 June 2003, 20:51

PvtPyle

I sent you a PM regarding the phony check.

sta marine

19 June 2003, 21:21

E8Hotel, I gotta know was he or wasn't he????

Echo-8-Hotel

20 June 2003, 01:08

He was not a graduate of the Scout/Sniper School here aboard Pendleton.

sta marine

20 June 2003, 02:59

What a surprise...:rolleyes:

Bravo_One_Three

20 June 2003, 04:04

You could have resolved this a long time ago, with much less fanfare. All you needed to do was ask the guy "What color is the boathouse at Hereford?"

sta marine

20 June 2003, 04:40

RED... Do I pass???

Echo-8-Hotel

20 June 2003, 09:19

Okay...

I'll play ignorant.

What does the color of the boathouse at Hereford have to do with verifying whether a Marine graduated from the Scout/Sniper School aboard Camp Pendleton?

SOTB

20 June 2003, 09:34

Umm, me thinks he was tying a movie line (Rodin) into this for a joke.

Since it was used to bust a poser in the movie..........

Sneaky SF Dude

20 June 2003, 09:54

Good flick too.

Echo-8-Hotel

20 June 2003, 11:39

Huh? I guess I don't go to the movies often enough. :(

Echo-8-Hotel

20 June 2003, 11:40

Andy,

E-mail recieved and returned. POC for 2d Force S-2 and IIMEF G-2 inclosed.

NewportBarGuy

20 June 2003, 11:59

MSgt, For your enjoyment...

http://mamet.eserver.org/1998/gale.html

Echo-8-Hotel

20 June 2003, 12:21

Thanks for the link,

But uhhh... after all of these comments:

Ronin contains elements of The Untouchables, House of Games, The Spanish Prisoner, and The Edge, but it is neither as accomplished as The Verdict nor as subtle as Things Change.
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The lighting, music, and camera angles quickly introduce a film noir feel, emphasizing the mysterious, dark, rainy surroundings. The message created by the mise en scene
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the techniques of Bullet and The French Connection,
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The Hitchcockian McGuffin, which drives the story Maltese Falcon-style,
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If the movie is about the existential existence of a group of men who are cut off from their roots
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The warrior code connection is further elucidated
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That makes sense against an existentialist background.
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I couldn't tell if the review ever said it was a good movie or not!
:D

I reckon you're supposed to be an overeducated movie freak to understand all of the fancy verbiage, and obscure references to other films.

:eek:

(1VB)compforce

20 June 2003, 12:28

Translation:

Originally posted by Echo-8-Hotel

Ronin contains elements of The Untouchables, House of Games, The Spanish Prisoner, and The Edge, but it is neither as accomplished as The Verdict nor as subtle as Things Change.

>>Ronin was like a couple of other movies, but made me want to go buy popcorn during the slow spots.

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The lighting, music, and camera angles quickly introduce a film noir feel, emphasizing the mysterious, dark, rainy surroundings. The message created by the mise en scene

>>The movie used spooky shit, creating a message of mystery.

--
the techniques of Bullet and The French Connection,

>>They stole the way they did the special and lighting effects from some other movie.

--
The Hitchcockian McGuffin, which drives the story Maltese Falcon-style,

>>The plot was stolen too

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If the movie is about the existential existence of a group of men who are cut off from their roots

>>The movie is about people who are away from their comfort areas...i.e. it's another damned fish outta water story.

--
The warrior code connection is further elucidated

>>They keep repeating themselves and expanding on the original idea until you want to scream "shut the fuck up!"
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That makes sense against an existentialist background.

>>Unlike me, they try to make it work so a normal joe will understand it by using pieces of background to make their point.

Hope this helps :D

Jay