Anyone heard about this guy?

[Silent_warrior]

On his website he says he has trained US Navy SEALs, FBI, SWAT... in martial arts. Any thruth in this claims?

www.fight2survive.com

[rubberneck]

I have met Mike Kanerik in person. He is a good guy and a good martial arts instructor. I wouldn't doubt that he was worked with the aforementioned groups or individuals from those groups from time to time. The last time I saw Mike was at a workshop he was holding for >>>Admin edit by Doc<<<.

I heard a pretty good story about Mike from my Instructor who trained with Mike. They both attended a martial arts seminar held by Joe Lewis. At the seminar a clown from CDT (sorry to the owners of this board, as CDT is a sponsor) foolishly challenged Mike to escape one of their compliance grips. THe guy just got done telling the crowd that no one no matter how tough could escape one of their holds. Needless to say Mike not only escaped the hold but knocked the guy out cold. At which point CDT got up and left the seminar.

[Doc]

rubberneck

First off good afternoon.

Leave the training Federal Agencies recieve off of this board please. This is the world wide web and we don't want the bad guys to have any help from us.

Hope you understand.

Doc

[rubberneck]

I should have know better considering those guys are very security conscious. Thank you for deleting it for me.

[sta marine]

I'm not talking about this guy in particular, but it seems EVERYONE has trained the SEALS or some other alphabet agency.
Everyone has a unbeatable system, and everyone always has those over 500 street fights they really applied their system too, and everyone can't go into a ring because THEIR style is too "deadly" and is only used to kill. In the world of martial arts I take EVERYTHING with a shaker full of salt.....

[sta marine]

Ok I dont know anything about the IDF, the system sounds alot like krav maga. He was an 18 year old commando, but only served 3 years!?!?!?!?! fast learner???? or so hard the special forces had to have him??? BJJ blue belt, nothing extra ordinary about that. Karate black belt, hang on....



Summary
Israeli Special Forces Combat Veteran - 3 Years
Fifth Degree Black Belt- Joe Lewis American Full Contact Karate
Fourth Degree Black Belt- Survival Hisardut
First Degree Black Belt- Krav Maga
Blue Belt- Brazilian Jui-Jitsu
Certified Muay Thai Kickboxing Instructor
Self-Defense Instructor of the Year-Florida Martial Arts Brotherhood Hall of Fame
Combat Shooting Expert
Tactical Knife Fighting Expert

Detailed Background
Mike is a former Israeli Special Operations Group Commando of the battle-hardened Golani Brigade and a world class Hand-to-Hand Combat instructor. His hard-core small team Special Ops unit operated behind enemy lines typically alone and miles from backup. In south Lebanon they terminated terrorists and destroyed their headquarters. In the West Bank during the first Intifada they went house to house capturing key militants and controlling street riots. Extreme violence was daily routine. Mike brings to the table this knowledge and his 20 years of full contact martial arts experience to teach you to devastate an attacker fast.

there. what the hell is the Golani brigade???

[rubberneck]

I don't know if his C.V. is full of shit, I hope it isn't. For all I know the guy is full of it but I do know that he is very good at what he does. It would be a shame if he felt the need to embellish his resume to sell more videos.

You're right that his system sounds like Krav Maga because 80% of it is. From what I've seen he takes some odds and ends from other systems and added it to Krav.

The Golani Brigade is an IDF SF group. Maybe one of the IDF guys that frequent the board could check his creds to make sure. Here is some more info on them:

http://www.isayeret.com/units/land/infantry/article.htm

[sta marine]

From what I read the golany brigade is an infantry unit... It says that its not voluntary, although they do have a screening for a particular unit.

Don't get me wrong I'm not talking trash about the guy, I'm sure he could kick my ass, but 3 years total service!!! To be an Israeli commando I would think that the schooling alone would take at least 2 years. 3 years total time in service isnt very long to be a "behind the lines assassin"

[Silent_warrior]

As far as I know (from books...) the training for different IDF SF Units takes from 15 months to 22 months and you serve in the SF 4.5 years, maybe more.
In his CV they say he was the member of Orev Golani ("Elite commando unit in the IDF" it says). Well no doubt Orev is elite but as far as I know they are PALNAT or anti-tank company which is part of the Golani Brigade.
Anyway back to the issue maybe someone else could tell us if he is real deal or not (as regard to training the U.S. Navy SEALs, SWAT... in martial arts).

Here is another site from an ex-IDF SF operative.
www.protect-usa.com
Look on the first page on the bottom "self-defence by protect".

[Daredevil]

Originally posted by sta marine
Fourth Degree Black Belt- Survival Hisardut
I tangled with a Hisardut guy once, I didn't think much of it to be honest.

Blue Belt- Brazilian Jui-Jitsu
Certified Muay Thai Kickboxing Instructor

I wonder who his BJJ instructor was or who certified him in Muay Thai. Just curious

[Camwyn]

Israel has SF units in all kinds of configurations.


Some are LRRP/LRSU-types.
Most of the "Sayerets" seem to fulfill a Ranger/Force Recon niche, working for their parent Brigade(Golany, Givaty, T'zanhim(sp?), and Nahal) or Armor unit. Yep, they got Tank Commando's too, sorta like super Cav Scouts. Then there's Sayeret MATKAL, which is the SAS/Delta unit, and Shayetet 13, the SEAL equivalent. Plus Police SF, like Unit YAMAM (Border Guard Hostage Rescue) and Unit YAMAS (Undercover CT Strike team). All of these units are made up, largely, of conscripts, who have their services extended to compensate for longer training times.
Slightly OT, but I know so little that I wallow in the opportunity to display what I do know...

Steven

[sta marine]

Wow, but can you really be a "commando" in israel with 3 years of service???

[SGTROCK]

Originally posted by sta marine
Wow, but can you really be a "commando" in israel with 3 years of service??? Of course as long as the enemy keeps throwing rocks and bottles!:D

[Andy0331]

Originally posted by sta marine
Wow, but can you really be a "commando" in israel with 3 years of service???

The compulsory service term in Israel is 3 years. Yes, they send young soldiers to special units within that time frame. No different than a 19 yr old in a Ranger Batt, or a Lcpl in a S/S plt.

It's a different system over there, but hell it's working for them at the level they need it.

I will mention that this statement >> "He regularly provides specialty courses in Israeli Combat Shooting, Counter Terrorist Tactics, Israeli Tactical Knife Fighting" <<is incredibly suspect. Having just spent some time over there, I feel very comfortable saying that there is no "Israeli Tactical Knife Fighting" & that is from some very good sources within the IDF.

Nuff said...

[SGTROCK]

This guy probably took one of Petersons(SCARS)bullshit courses on knife techniques(the ones that will get YOU killed)and made it his own!!! Hence the trainer of SEALs.You know the old saying if it sounds to good to be true,it probably is.:cool:

[AngelsSix]

........in a fight, I typically read a lot of pistol mags. This guy has all kinds of ads there.........and we all know about ads in pistol mags........

I spent a little time in Tel Aviv. Even got to stay near the "commando" base while I was there. Those guys were very secretive, you never saw them. The civilians I spoke to in town said that they went so far as to wear their unit i.d. badges/ identifying insignia on the inside of their uniform blouse.

Cool stuff.........:cool:

[sta marine]

Oh the Israelis are bad asses... Thats why I questioned a "commando" who was only in 3 years. Hell 3 years is a Lcpl. in the Marines.

[rubberneck]

Originally posted by Andy0331
Israeli Tactical Knife Fighting" <<is incredibly suspect. Having just spent some time over there, I feel very comfortable saying that there is no "Israeli Tactical Knife Fighting" & that is from some very good sources within the IDF.

Nuff said...

I don't wan't to sound like I am sticking up for this guy (which I am not) but knife fighting is a very important part of Krav Maga, which is the offical defense system of the IDF. If your ask your IDF sources if they learned how defend and attack with a knife they will tell that they did. It sounds like he is calling it Israeli Tactical Knife Fighting to make it sound "sexier" than it really is IMHO.

[sta marine]

I'm sure your right sir, however I learned to defend a knife attack in basic training. Back then it was called LINE training. and to quote my D.I. "don't go out there trying to use that stuff because all its going to do is get your ass kicked" :D

I dont want anyone to think I'm trying to discredit this guy, I dont know him. I was only asking is it possible to be a commando with only 3 years of service in one of the toughest militarys in the world? Andy says that he has been over there and yes you can. Thats good enough an answer for me.

[Camwyn]

I think isayeret.com has a breakdown of the training syllabus for the various units. Ah, here we go,


Sayeret Egoz:

http://www.isayeret.com/units/land/special/egoz/article.htm

Notice, they cascade the recruits. I.e. guy who try's out for Sayeret MATKAL and doesnt make it, gets to try for Sayeret Duvdevan. Like if one of our 18X-trainee's didnt get picked up out of SFAS, he could opt to try RIP.

Steven

[Andy0331]

Krav Maga does teach some knife defense, but like most unarmed defense against the knife, it will most likely get you killed. I don't want to come across as some super secret squirrel, but my sources are good & I will say that there is no official "Israeli knife fighting". Hmmm, it's actually fairly uncommon for their soldiers to carry knives. My info comes firsthand from seeing what many of them do & talking with some high ranking officers within the IDF.

Yes, I've spent some time with some Krav Maga types over there as well. I'm not trying to impress anyone, just keeping the facts straight. The IDF is filled with soldiers who get operational experience on a regular basis, they are tough, but anyone who markets "Israeli commando techniques" whether they are hand to hand, firearms, or knife, is just using marketing hype much like the SEAL, Delta, etc. ads you see here.

Andy

[SGTROCK]

Originally posted by Andy0331
Krav Maga does teach some knife defense, but like most unarmed defense against the knife, it will most likely get you killed.
The IDF is filled with soldiers who get operational experience on a regular basis, they are tough, but anyone who markets "Israeli commando techniques" whether they are hand to hand, firearms, or knife, is just using marketing hype much like the SEAL, Delta, etc. ads you see here.

Andy Amen!Good post.Obviously someone who knows what they are talking about,in a world of hyped up training methods!

[namor]

Mike served in the Golani Brigade, which is roughly equivalent to a high caliber infantry unit of ours, and they use the term Special Forces in a different context than we do. Sayeret Golani is the unit that equates to our recon/SF types for the Brigade; just as Sayeret Tsahanim are the SF guys in their Airborne (tsahanim) Brigade. (The Sayeret Matkal, which translates into the Chief of Staff's sayeret, are the elite 'commando' guys). Mike was not a commando, but he served in a high speed low drag unit in tough times.

More to the point, though, is that his "Haganah" system is a very good self-defense course. It is based on the Krav Maga he learned, and the Hisadrut, and Karate and even some personal innovations. The knife fighting it teaches is a small small part of it, and reflects the reality of Israeli life: barred from carrying guns, most arab attacks on civilians there are carried out by knife weilding bad guys. The techniques are based on that reality, and not some Ramboesque secret squirrel stuff for the military.

He is definitely NOT another Jerry "SCARS" Peterson! Nor is he another Hollywood trained KM "expert" riding this week's latest fad. Hes a good instructor trying to teach people effective techniques. I think he's used a little overstatement in some of his ads, but it would be a shame for someone to pass up a chance to learn something from him only because of that.

[Hoepoe]

I have undergone various levels of Krav Maga. I have never been taught offensive knife techniques. This is not to say they don't exist, just at my level i never saw it.

As for the defensive techniques:

Andy0331, while it's true the knife defences can lead to wounds, i have used them in the field more than once, and hey, i'm typing this, so they do work providing you're quick enough to recognise the attack etc.

It is possible to serve in the more elite sections within the infantry brigades whilst serving 3 years. These Pulsar units are considered SF and are indeed well versed in Recon and Anti Terror techniques. It is possible to be in the most elite IDF units as a conscript for three years.

Krav Maga was designed from the need and not from a textbook or idea. Results in the filed led to imrpovements, changes. As we say here, it's written in blood, it works.

Then again, it depends what level of Krav Maga, what level of aggression , confodence and skill.

The technique is good, but i'm no nine volt ninja so i can't compare...just know what i've done.

[RipperTOW]

Originally posted by Hoepoe
I have undergone various levels of Krav Maga. I have never been taught offensive knife techniques. This is not to say they don't exist, just at my level i never saw it.

I'm not aware of offensive knife either in KM, but before we did knife defense we did a little impromtu workshop on offensive knife for the purpose of being able to feed realistically for the defensive training. Training with someone feeding you realistic attacks is more important in terms of employing the techiniques successfully, IMHO, than the stylistic differences between Haganah* and KM for knife defense.

Very true that unarmed knife defense is extremely difficult, and you are very likely to get cut. But I've trained with some guys who left little doubt in my mind (or my wrist) that they could pull it off. Like everything else, it comes down to realistic and regular training. If you commit to this, then there are systems out there (I think KM is one of them) that will help you level the playing field in an unarmed v. knife situation. But if you're not committed to regular training against someone who can feed you realistic attacks, then no style will help.

* My exposure to Haganah is from a knife demo given by a guy here in Houston who teaches a combination of Haganah and Brazilian Ju Jitsu. He claimed to have trained under Kanarek.

[Hoepoe]

SGT ROCK

How are you? Are you back? I need to talk to you...

Back on topic:

We do way more than fight against rocks and firebombs, please Sir, a little respect for the guys out there..


Hoepoe

[SGTROCK]

Originally posted by Hoepoe
SGT ROCK

How are you? Are you back? I need to talk to you...




Hoepoe Im here,shoot me PM when you get a chance. Iam good, got a lot of things on my plate but Ive got time for whatever you might need..........I hope!!!!

As for knife techniques offensive or defensive the Filipino styles work very well for me but it's a personal thing. Ihave trained with Hoch Hocheim on ocassion and his combo of Military ala Fairbairn/Applegate /Biddle and Filipino Archapelligo systems seem to fit my body and life style very well and have used it on a few occassions and can attest to its effectivness!! The Filipino styles generally use the same movements for open hand, knife and stick.The stick can translate into large Bolo or Machete. Muscle memory is accomplished much easier this way more than trying to learn 1 technique for open hand and something completely different for knife. I train with a guy in Doce Pares and Canete style who is also the highest level of JKD under Dan Inosanto he comes to my house and trains me for free all I have to do is show him some handgun techniques, its definately a great trade for me and have been doing this regemin for 4 years now!!!

SGTROCK

[mac3982]

hey they got a knife, use a gun...jk.. when you play with knives you are gonna get cut! the filps are the shit when it comes to blades! sgt. rock good to have ya back!

[SGTROCK]

Im still recovering from the west coast SEAL Team reunion in Coronado this weekend.I went with RAT and my son.Met up with my bud who was with the teams and got the pleasure to meet 2 of our SOCNET ladies as well. Had a beer with Chalker and met some real cool former team guys.This one guy named TED was so cool Vietnam vet 2 tours funny as hell,got pretty fucked up drinking the free beer with him.From what I can remember and from what they tell my I had a good time!!!! My son is Filipino and he is a natural with the Escrima sticks.He did a little demonstration at a Filipino party a few weeks ago and all the hotties were watching and I was like yep Im big daddy would ya like to come over and learn some "moves"!! LOL

ROCK

[danjam]

I know this is an old thread, however...

The weapon that is great against knives is your rifle. It is longer and if you get poked or hit with it, well, it will makes dents.

5 years is the period for Commandos the recon , specialized people do the 3 years. To get into any of these units, the better they are the more security clearance one needs, thus sometimes even if you are capable you don't get in.

If anyone is interested, I can introduce a very capable teacher here in Israel, infact Hoepoe introduced me to him. And he has the creds.

[mac3982]

true but as a civie some states got rules about threat and contact distance, no joke in my state 21ft or less if over 21ft its considered malcious( bad spellin) they would charge you as the bad guy the only way it would be legal is if the perp had a long gun as well.

[abraham]

more often than not the recon detachments in the brigades get a hell of alot more combat experience than the "super elite 5 year minimum " units. the reason being as such; training period apx. 15 months and afterwards constant missions almost every single day not in war time ( israel is always in war but i use the term to mean not in war with a neighboring arab country ) and a very important role in war. the super elite units have much longer training times and are only utilized for super complex missions which may occur a few times a year or less. as for krav maga and all that most of which is aggressiveness training because their is not much time for delving into the martial arts. am currently in the idf and been training martial arts for 12 years and i think that the best is a mix of mma+krav maga+ some escrima or kali.