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Austin_Millbarge
26 July 2003, 14:54
Came across this today. Just wanted to extend my thanks to any of our resident Korea vets. Forgive me for being 50 years late on this one.
Cheers -- AM

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/orl-edpedpkorea072603jul26,0,6197440,print.story?coll= orl-opinion-headlines

Remembering the forgotten war
By William Russell
Special to the Sentinel

July 26, 2003

Recently, I visited a local bookstore of a major chain and, as a military history buff, I always check out that section of the store.

Much to my regret but not to my surprise there wasn't one title on the Korean War.

Remember that war? That was the one fought during the time between World War II and Vietnam, as one "knowledgeable" writer put it once. It was the first "hot" war of the Cold War period and the first victory over communism.

Anyway, I located numerous books about the bloody and costly Civil War, and plenty in the World War II section, and rightfully so in both cases, since these were monumental events in our history.

The Vietnam War was well-documented and rightfully so, also. The images and words depicting that terrible war certainly cannot go unnoticed either, nor the Persian Gulf War of 1991 that was fairly well-represented with several titles. There were even a few books on the current war in Iraq.

I don't deny nor fault these endeavors. But not one book on Korea! Nothing! A war that lasted for over three years with a heavy toll of casualties!

Needless to say, as a Korea veteran, I was angry. Approaching the lady at the information desk, I relayed that fact to her. She responded that she thought there was a book on Korea. However, I assured her to the contrary and told her to tell her manager "to get more books on Korea!" And that's pretty much how it has been since the Korean War ended 50 years ago.

Sunday marks the 50th anniversary of the end of what has often been called "The Forgotten War" when communist and United Nations representatives signed the cease-fire agreement at Panmunjom. The shooting stopped. It took three long years, one month, and two days and two years of on-again, off-again negotiations to reach that point, at a high cost to all involved.

It was called a "police action" at the beginning, then a "conflict" later (don't call it a "conflict" around a Korea veteran) and now has been upscaled to a full-blown war. The Korean War is, hopefully, beginning to be remembered. It has never been truly forgotten, not by those who served or fought there, nor by the loved ones who lost someone in the war. American history books still accord it little space in their texts; some teachers sometimes never reached that point in American history anyway. But progress is being made.

Many veterans, members of local chapters of the Korean War Veterans Association throughout the nation, have made progress in reaching young people. There has been much accomplished in erasing the word "forgotten" from the vocabulary. Three years ago, Congress authorized the Department of Defense to establish a 50th Anniversary Commemoration Period that began on June 25, 2000 (the 50th anniversary of the outbreak of the war) to thank and honor Korean War veterans and their families. It will officially close Nov. 11 (Veterans Day). It has certainly raised the awareness of the war. The theme, "freedom is not free" has been its keystone.

For those of us who served and survived, we shall never forget, certainly not forget the nearly 34,000 fellow Americans killed in combat (555 were from Florida) nor the more than 100,000 who were wounded, many critically, and surely not the more than 8,000 POWs/MIAs, whose families have yet to have closure.

There are more than 300,000 Korean War veterans living in Florida, but, unfortunately, only 1,300 of them are actively engaged in the various chapters throughout the state.

Why isn't there more participation? Have they forgotten about the war?

I talked to one veteran once and he couldn't even remember the unit he was with. So we can't really fault the average person who may not remember or know a great deal about the war.

Forgotten? Perhaps by some, maybe by many still. But, hopefully, the recognition of the 50th anniversary date of July 27 will help toward fostering a more positive recognition of the Korean War and label it more as "The Remembered War." I would hope that those who made the supreme sacrifice will never be forgotten, and thanks in particular to the National Korean War Veterans Memorial in Washington, their deeds will be remembered always.

Gov. Jeb Bush summed it up succinctly in a recent letter to Jake Feaster, commander of the Florida Department of the Korean War Veterans Association, when he wrote: "Despite its indecisive conclusion and the ensuing years of tension, it can now be said the Korean War marked the first battle in a conflict lasting four decades and which ultimately saw the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the demise of communism. The blood shed and lives sacrificed proved to ultimately be the spark that ignited the flame and kept alive the hope for freedom throughout the world."

This, we should never forget.

William Russell is a Korean War veteran who lives in Altamonte Springs and is author of "Face of the Enemy."
Copyright © 2003, Orlando Sentinel

Cass
27 July 2003, 14:51
The invisibility of the Korean War and Korean Veteran is something that has to be taken in by the Korean Vet with a lot of apathy. I know of military sites on the Webs that list KIA's for Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, and Desert Shield. But nothing on the Korean War.

One site I work with prominently has been reminded twice about the absence of the Korean KIA list, but to date no list appears. But piss on them. I was there. Three tours. I don't need the applause. I have the memories of the crap that the Army, Marines, and Navy went through to come home to silent cheers.

EarthPig
27 July 2003, 16:11
I've recognized the lack of those lists as well, Cass. Considering the gallant battles and horrible terrain/weather that those (you) soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen endured it really is baffling why Korean War Vets have been in the shadows all these years.
It makes absolutely no sense.

As Austin M said in his post, forgive me for being 50 years too late, but thank you, Cass, and all of you other Korea Vets for your sacrifices...it was and is appreciated, regardless of the silence.

RLTW
EP

Sdiver
27 July 2003, 16:25
It's that silence, that makes it the loudest.

Let's turn it up to 11 and make it louder !!!

Cass
27 July 2003, 18:08
Earthpig Sdiver
Thank you for your thoughts.

Ôïí áðüíôá Ýðáéíï äåí ëåßðïõí. ¸÷ù ôéò ìíÞìåò ìïõ.

"The absent praise is not missed. I have my memories"

Sdiver
27 July 2003, 19:03
Cass:

I see that you're on the West Coast. If you ever find yourself up in my AO, under the Space Needle....Sir, the drinks are on me !!!

And....SALUTE !!!!

C-M-R
27 July 2003, 20:54
Hats off with a Thanks and Well Done to our Korean War vets.

In honor of them I'd like to post this link.

http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/citations_living/kc_a_mize.html


He was the guest speaker at a function we attended a few years ago. What a guy.

Cass
28 July 2003, 12:35
Sdiver
Thanks for the invitation. I am in Central Calif. There may be a time I need some of that good weather you are having.

darnold
29 July 2003, 14:33
Wonderful Posts and links. My thanks to those that this applies to for your efforts those many years ago. I have an offering of a link that means something to us. I hope it is ok for this site. Be well friends.
Don

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/07/27/Korea/Scraps_of_love_and_lo.shtml

Cass
29 July 2003, 17:02
darnold
Thanks for the link. Seldom do I read long articles. But somehow something kept me reading. And it took me back to two adventures.

In Korea we were jumped in a safe zone where we were lightly armed. One of our KIA's we could not retrieve and he sank in the water. Some time later the Army found him, and after processing he was shipped home for burial at his wife's direction.

It had taken awhile to identify him as we as yet would not wear dog tags as they would jingle. After that we had to wear them, but we taped them together so they would not jingle.

Some 49 years later at a Reunion I met a dear Team Mate who told me the Widow had to bury her husband without a representitive from the Teams. I suspect this was because there were so few of us and at least half was always in Korea. But my Team Mate urged me to write the Widow a letter as I had been there that fateful day. And I did. The Widow told me she was not sure she buried her husband as it was a mandatory closed casket burial. I suspect with some kindness this was recommended as the salt water had tossed him around among the preditors.

But the Widow wrote me a beautiful letter and told me how much it meant as a link between Father and her two children. The two grown children each sent me nice emails of thanks..... And so went the hero.

CPTAUSRET
29 July 2003, 17:12
Originally posted by darnold
Wonderful Posts and links. My thanks to those that this applies to for your efforts those many years ago. I have an offering of a link that means something to us. I hope it is ok for this site. Be well friends.
Don

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/07/27/Korea/Scraps_of_love_and_lo.shtml

:) Terry

darnold
29 July 2003, 19:30
Thanks again for the thread Austin. Very interesting story and sentiments Cass. I'd like to hear more. I know it might sound morbid to some to want details but as you found with your experience it was welcomed and needed. I just got an email from someone responding to the article. He was in a mortar outfit in support my dad's attack. I am hoping to hear more about that day.

HI Terry!

Chris1
29 July 2003, 19:38
<edit> Double Post

Chris1
29 July 2003, 19:39
Sir, a list is available at the following URL
http://www.theriver.com/Public/gcompany/master.htm
This site enabled me to provide to details to a woman about her father who she thought had died over there, in fact to have been WIA. Last I heard she had submitted what I believe is called a DD214 request and I was able to provide a list of phone numbers of persons with the same name living in her fathers home town.

Originally posted by Cass
The invisibility of the Korean War and Korean Veteran is something that has to be taken in by the Korean Vet with a lot of apathy. I know of military sites on the Webs that list KIA's for Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, and Desert Shield. But nothing on the Korean War.

One site I work with prominently has been reminded twice about the absence of the Korean KIA list, but to date no list appears. But piss on them. I was there. Three tours. I don't need the applause. I have the memories of the crap that the Army, Marines, and Navy went through to come home to silent cheers.

darnold
2 August 2003, 09:41
Thanks to all your links. I think C-D-R 's link just led me somewhere rather interesting. But all have been useful and I thank you.

http://www.mishalov.com/Burke.html

Lt. Burke "scooter" was a Lt. in my father's company and got the Medal of Honor later that same month after my dad's death. I'd like to think (fantasy I know) that this guy knew my dad and were maybe friends and that part of the fury of his attack later that month after my dad's death was in part the lost of his friend. I know it is all improbable. I am pretty sure though that they would have known one another. I missed talking to Col. Burke though by a few years as he has passed on in 1999. If these god damn guys would stop leaving, I'd appreciate it!!!!!!!!!! Col. Burke's family must have been so proud of him. I am too, though a bit late. I've got leads though and that's more than what i started with. Thanks again.
http://www.harryfamily.com/family/albums/album45/10B4KIA.jpg

NavyHavoc
11 September 2003, 17:33
Part of the reason it never really came to the fore front of the average citizen's mind was because news was so censored back then. I did a research paper in college about newspaper articles from one week in the 50's. I came across this story of a 19 year old who had just gotten back on a two week leave because he and three others were the only survivors in his platoon after a Chinese human wave attack. No telling how many bastards that guy shot and stuck to get through that one and the news paper made it sound like he was out on a friggin' hunting expedition. He looked pretty pissed in the photo also. American's just didn't realize what those guys were going through over there and most people still don't. Its good that this got brought up, those patriots deserve recognition.


_______________________

"I had one simple request.....IT WAS FOR SHARKS WITH FRIGGIN' LASER BEAMS ON THEIR FORE HEADS!!"

specwarnet
15 September 2003, 17:50
I'm helping a Korean War vet out. best way I can show my gratitude is directly helping any vet who needs or asks for it.

Cass, you just missed our good weather but if you're ever up in Seattle I'll treat you to some of his chili. Best on the west coast =)

Sdiver, PM inbound...

darnold
16 September 2003, 01:42
Late Nite searching again, listening to a song “Warning Sign”- by ColdPlay ( my kid at Ft. Braggs fault, while remembering a Fayetteville pub moment and pool playing)

Searching for Korean War Information and browsing the web late one night again. I found myself on SOCNET and then onto a memorial web site Link from SOCNET, reading poems. God, I can’t believe I am reading poems, crap! Anyhow, I’m reading them. Some are very dark, my favorite, and most very moving. I am again feeling that I am at an end in my Korean War KIA search without success. It’s a stormy night with lightning flashing outside here in the Florida country, with the smell of rain through and open window and I then get this unsolicited email. Ready to delete it as I do for junk email or for those that I don’t recognize the sender. They didn’t even offer to enlarge my penis or give me Viagra for 100 years. The email just says I might be interested in going to this particular Korean war web site, though I have been to many. OK, I bite, but I first ask the sender why they sent the email. The reply came right back, (spooky)it was in regards to a newspaper article on the Korean War in a Florida newspaper on our family. Ok, I spill my guts on my search and what I turned up so far. How I can’t find the family of this Medal of Honor winner who I think was a peer of my dad’s before he was KIA. The sender happened to be online and I found out that they helped with this web site. Our emails were like pms. Then they said something remarkable. Are you searching for the family of “Scooter”? They were at his funeral in 1999 and met the family, and even had the address and phone number of a daughter. They offered help and I asked like a doubting Thomas, “Why are you doing this? What is your motivation?” They reply:

“My motivation to do the work that I do is simply to give something back to veterans and their families who gave something that I cherish to me -- my freedom.
I am so sorry that he died in the Korean War. I know that there are times when you ask yourself if his death was worth it. When one of those times hits you, think of the lady who sits on her front porch swing in freedom, watching her red-headed daughter play happily in her yard on a peaceful street in a peaceful little town in Illinois -- thanks in part to your Dad's sacrifice and even yours.”

As if I sacrificed, anyhow I was given the numbers. It all fell into my lap so easily. So being the idiot that I am I phoned the daughter but got voicemail and so left a dumb message. Only then did I begin to think of how many times over the years this family must have been bugged by well wishers, do gooders, frauds and just dumb asses like me. I felt selfish. I wonder how many times they had to say polite things back when all they wanted was to be left alone. “Scooter” didn’t die in the war at least, but still I am sure they suffered under the shadow of the Medal of Honor. I know it may seem blasphemous but I almost wish they didn’t bestow it. What a weight, I only hope people understand that. I do hope Scooter protected them as much as he could as his kids grew up. I did talk to the daughter and emailed her information. She was so very nice but I could sense her being on guard. I am pretty sure she can’t offer anything more in my search. It died with him, I was close. I'll leave them in peace and not intrude anymore. Then it finally got through to me. And with the help from someone special on SOCNET I think that I see it more clearly. He wrote it some time ago. It took a while for me to see it. I am sorry for quoting someone without permission.

“I am not a religious man, but I understand compassion. Losing a Dad in a war is akin to losing the story of your life and not being able to find the marked page again. The story is ended without the ability to start again. Those killed in war, are for the most part, very young men. And the home life they had was just blossoming. I have seen many casualties as I used to wonder who they were, who would be in mourning for them. Will anyone really miss them.

It was more grim, but what you, wish is not fleeting remembrances , but rather some graciousness to be attached to the loss of your Father. I wish I were the man who did find your Father.

But Bless your Father's memory and consider yourself a full person, and that your Father gave his life as a hero. Medals notwithstanding, death brings medals unattached to most military deaths when the incident occurs in the mayhem of battle.”


These words meant a great deal to me. But I didn’t "get it" really, it took a while. I have finally came to the conclusion that my searching was for something I can’t possibly find. Graciousness to his passing is fitting. Some of us are slow to come to it. I am one of those I guess. I hope that those who are the friends of or watch over the children of the fallen will be available through the years when they need /want to know more of their parent or just have a hand to hold when they walk along in silence or when they hurt. It would take a special person to do that I know. I have found friends along the way that have made it easier for me. Some are here on SOCNET. And here I am an old guy, lol. Who’d of guessed these things last this long. I hope I can find a way to repay what has been given to me.