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antegeia1970
23 March 2004, 16:50
WHY THE AIR FORCE NEED BOTH CCT AND TACPS??

SgtUSMC8541
23 March 2004, 17:01
Fill out your profile.

SOTB
23 March 2004, 17:01
Who are you and what do you want on SOCNET?

Just curious as your first three posts don't place you as one of the more intelligent posters on this board....

Doogie320
23 March 2004, 17:41
Your profile sucks.

ALL CAPS is rude. Stop screaming.

Your English sucks.

Tell us what CCTs and TACPs do and then you'll understand why both fields exist.

Oh yeah, your profile sucks.

Footmobile
23 March 2004, 17:44
Originally posted by antegeia1970
WHY THE AIR FORCE NEED BOTH CCT AND TACPS??

OUCH! YOU'RE HURTING MY EARS!

SN
23 March 2004, 20:45
Is TACPS similar to TACP?

SATCOM
23 March 2004, 21:49
TACPS=Tactical Air Control Party -Secret?
-Serious?
-Squadron?
-Soldier?
-Selection?
-SCUBA?
-Skills?
-Submarine?
-Surface-to-Air?
-Security?
-School?
-Scientist?
-Supersonic?
-Shock?
-Silencer?
-Skydive?

The anticipation is killing me!

KJ
25 March 2004, 11:47
Three posts antegeia1970, and not 50 points worth of IQ there. I am the AF admin here. I HIGHLY suggest that your next post be of some value, and that you fill out your profile. No more games son. Truthfulness counts for something here.

MS275
31 March 2004, 16:46
Originally posted by antegeia1970
WHY THE AIR FORCE NEED BOTH CCT AND TACPS??

Don't worry about AF needs...worry about your own needs.
(ie. English skills)

MS

Crane Daimyo
6 April 2004, 20:10
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Doctor_Doom
7 April 2004, 04:01
Originally posted by Crane Daimyo
... I don't know what TACP stands for...

Please let the professionals answer, or choose not to answer, for themselves, young man.

Neo
7 April 2004, 13:20
Check out romad.com for more information regarding TACPs.

SN
7 April 2004, 13:56
Neo-

You should do a better job researching romad.com

According to the web site, TACP stands for TACTICAL Air Control Party, not TERMINAL.

Crane Daimyo
7 April 2004, 14:05
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Doogie320
7 April 2004, 14:46
Originally posted by Crane Daimyo
Doctor_Doom, please try to be a little more polite too. I did not try to disrespectful.

Crane, that's pretty polite around here. Letting the pros respond is pretty much SOP for us. It keeps guys from talking out of their ass.

There is a lot of good info around here. Stick around and try to absorb some of it. Welcome aboard.

Crane Daimyo
7 April 2004, 18:28
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Neo
7 April 2004, 18:38
My apologies WSC. Didn't catch that. I realized I had done it when I was riding the bus back from class, to late now.
Have a nice day.

SN
7 April 2004, 19:31
Originally posted by Neo
My apologies WSC. Didn't catch that. I realized I had done it when I was riding the bus back from class, to late now. :D
Anyways, most of the time, at least at my unit we are called 1 "Charlie" 4's or ROMADS.
Have a nice day.

Guess I should show this thread (and your earlier response) to Six Pack then?

You been to school yet?

Doctor_Doom
7 April 2004, 19:55
Originally posted by Crane Daimyo
Doctor_Doom, please try to be a little more polite too. I did not try to disrespectful.

I know you weren't trying to be rude, which is why I was as polite as I was. Plus, I'm just a guest here as well, so I was merely giving you a heads up.

If you think I was being rude... kid, you are going to get your feelings hurt around here!!

Toodles!

Fire-Gunner
8 April 2004, 01:01
Read and heed! (http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34455)

Crane Daimyo
8 April 2004, 21:20
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MS275
14 April 2004, 11:28
Originally posted by Crane Daimyo
Combat Controllers are basically air traffic controllers on the ground. They have experience in air strikes, but their primary job is to guide aircraft in areas where there are no air traffic control towers. They also make makeshift air fields, and are experienced in demolitions.

TACP's are also known as ETAC's. I don't know what TACP stands for, but ETAC stands for Enlisted Terminal Air Controller. Their primary job is to tell airplanes where to bomb, and if needed to provide CAS (Close Air Support). They are not certified air traffic controllers, so they can't land or do all that other fun stuff for planes.

Both of these jobs require the operators to be on the ground with usually 100+ pounds of gear and run, jump, climb, and shoot just as well as the group they are assisting, if not better than them. They work with SEALs, Rangers, Special Forces (Green Berets), and other various groups that may "not exist".

Not to be nit picky, but ETAC stands for Enlisted Terminal Attack Controller and WSC already answered the TACP question. Anyway, ETAC is an outtdated term since anyone (USAF, USN, or USMC) performing the Terminal Attack Control mission is currently called a JTAC, or Joint Terminal Attack Controller.

MS

Crane Daimyo
14 April 2004, 18:21
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SOTB
14 April 2004, 18:26
Originally posted by Crane Daimyo
....I will post again to confirm or deny everything I just said when he gets done with field exercises. Or maybe you will NOT post and take the advice of those whom have told you "politely" to STFU? Aww hell. Ignore me and have fun. I'm gonna subscribe to this thread anyway just to watch....

MS275
14 April 2004, 19:12
Originally posted by Crane Daimyo
My step father is currently an ETAC. He is an instructor at Hurlbert Field, and to my knowlege as of yesterday is still an ETAC. I would think that if they had an officer corps than it would be changed to JTAC. Even though they are joint operators. I will post again to confirm or deny everything I just said when he gets done with field exercises.

Check my profile and you will see I to am at Hurby and a J1C4X1. I am not an instructor, but operational, and somewhat wise in the ways of TAC. Since I probably know your step father, I will be nice and just provide an education.

The term ETAC came about in the mid 1980's when enlisted Tactical Air Command and Control Specialists (TACCS) starting controlling airstrikes without the presence of an air liason officer or ALO. Initially the acronym ETAC stood for Enlisted Tactical Air Controller, but was later changed to Enlisted Terminal Attack Controller. The term ETAC was used up until the mid to late 90's when we all became Terminal Attack Controllers or TACs due to confusion between SOTAC (Special Operations TAC), ETAC (Enlisted TAC), GFAC (Ground Forward Air Controller), and FAC (Forward Air Controller). In other words, the Air Force by itself, had four different terms for the same mission of Terminal Attack Control.

So now, here we are in the 21st century and a new publication has clarified it, so that no matter who is performing the TAC mission in support of the JFC's objectives, they will be referred to as a JTAC. Below is the definition of a JTAC, pulled from JTTP for Close Air Support, J-Pub 3-09.3.

A joint terminal attack controller (JTAC) is a qualified (certified) service member who, from a forward position, directs the action of combat aircraft engaged in CAS and other air operations. A qualified and current JTAC will be recognized across Department of Defense as capable and authorized to performterminal attack control.

How about them apples....

MS

Crane Daimyo
14 April 2004, 20:23
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KJ
15 April 2004, 12:15
Very enlightening MS275. Thanks for the posting.

i8547
21 April 2004, 20:36
Originally posted by Crane Daimyo
i feel like a jackass.

Do me a favor... don't post anything for the next two weeks, you've stepped on your crank twice too many. That includes a reply to this post.

J.Meoff
22 April 2004, 12:43
Crane, you knob.

Your an outsider speculating, shut your hole. Riddle me this; If you can't answer with authority, don't.

Many persons here, jumped through a couple hoops, so as not to spend our days with hollow pufferfish like you.

Respect the wishes of a club when trying to get in the door, dummy.

SATCOM
23 April 2004, 18:20
JMEOFF:

Old SATCOM here bro. As always, you're to the point!

Interloper
19 September 2011, 02:24
Neo-

You should do a better job researching romad.com

According to the web site, TACP stands for TACTICAL Air Control Party, not TERMINAL.

By the by, ROMAD, as they were originally known, stands for Radio Operator Maintainer and Driver, and they were in the 304x4 Ground Radio Repair career field, as was about 1/3 of CCT until the CCT career field was created around 1980. Prior to that there were P272x0 ATC guys and P304x4 guys in CCT. They only operational differences was that 304s could not conduct gears down operations.

johca
19 September 2011, 04:54
Interloper-situational awareness. Last post prior to yours was seven years ago.

Both TACP and CCT have tranformed considerable in capability and mission role utilization from the days of P272X0 and P304X4. What was known as ROMAD that is now known as TACP has transformed the most pertinet to capability and utilization.

Interloper
20 September 2011, 04:16
Johca, I admit that I did not look at the dates of the posts, but my post was for historical context of the career fields. I realize that the AFSC system was totally revamped in the 90s so the old AFSCs don't apply, and recently the ground radio field was even folded in with SATCOM and wideband.