sas op in gibralter

[alexander]

if anyone's been watching bbc world news, the european high court has told britain that they must investigate any operation that they've done. this also means prosecuting any members of the security forces for taking out known terrorists. what i'd like to know is what are security forces, sas,14thint company, and the sbs going to do when handling terrorists in the future?

[zeroalpha]

The same as what the always have done. I think youll find that there will be the arguement that these pers. have already been before a british court and were found justified in their actions. Therefore, how can the EC change or ammend such a ruling.

Its a crock and will soon go away.

si vis pacem parabellum

zero

[zeroalpha]

The same as what the always have done. I think youll find that there will be the arguement that these pers. have already been before a british court and were found justified in their actions. Therefore, how can the EC change or ammend such a ruling.

Its a crock and will soon go away.

si vis pacem parabellum

zero

[Warrior]

Very true ZA. They were found justified once. Many of there ops have already been in front of the courts and rulings have been passed. They really can't do much in my opinion.

[alexander]

z, now stop me if i'm wrong, but how is the british government going to continue ops if the EC keeps sticking its nose in their business? i think they might need to drop the EU

[zeroalpha]

Im not a great one on the current EC political area, however a couple of things,
1; People who stick their noses into places they shouldn't usually get them hit.
2; What the EC would have to take into account is the fact that the SAS are used by such groups as Nato and the UN etc for little jobs like going in and snatching 'someone suspected of war crimes'. Politic and soldiering don't really mix, which is unfortunate because there are a lot of people who try to make it that way. Im my own opinion, which isn't wirth a pinch of anything anyway, I don't think youll find the Brit govt. that impressed if the EC start poking around there little pet group. There is of course lots of ways and means to get around little problems like the one youve described, but I honestly can't see it having much of an effect on the way the SAS currently run there bussiness.

The SAS are to usefull a group o have some little politician decide to start asking to many hard questions. If one doe's Im sure someone would have a chat to him about the real world.

any comments,,,,?

zero

[patrick]

The court you're referring to is probably the European Court for Human Rights which is not part of the EU. This Court's mission is to apply and monitor the implementation of the European Convention of Human Rights. As this convention has also bee signed and ratified by the UK, it is legally binding for this country.
That means that if the UK is found "guilty" of violating a convention it has voluntarily agreed to respect, it can be sentenced by the Court to pay reparation to the victim of that violation.
In other words, nobody is going to forbid the UK to use its armed forces the way they want, but if there is a wrongful behaviour or an abuse of power, it might be that the British government will have to pay compensation to the victim (whether it is a terrorist or not). The fact to the matters you refer to have already been judged in the UK is irrelevant, because the European Court for Human Rights is the only instance competent in this domain. Furthermore, the objective is not to convict any member of a SF unit of a crime but to condemn the general behaviour of a State if it is guilty of violating human rights.

[alexander]

thanks for clearing it up for me.does the sas,sbs,or 14th intell carry out military objectives only or do they help out britain's intelligence services?

[zeroalpha]

"Help Out" is probibly a good term to use......

Zero

[alexander]

zero, reason i said it is because i found a site where someone, who got his phd.in intelligence, said that sis/mi6 had no counterpart to cia/sas. but i just don't know

[zeroalpha]

Fair enough.

Um, "Help Out" is probibly a good term to use. IF YOU GET WHAT I MEAN.

zero

[alexander]

yeah i get it.