Crazy Landing

[Spinner]

Never seen a 747 do this before!

Anybody have an idea what airport this takes place at?

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/Boeing%20747%20Extreme%20Landing.mpg

[SgtUSMC8541]

He was flying that like a cesna landing on a carrier!..... I said he, but maybe it was a she?:D

[Ergogirl]

Originally posted by Spinner
Never seen a 747 do this before!

Anybody have an idea what airport this takes place at?

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/Boeing%20747%20Extreme%20Landing.mpg

I believe it took place at Hong Kong (HKG) airport.


Edited to add: And no, I wasn't the one at the controls, SgtUSMC8541!! :D

[Spinner]

I grew up about 8 miles from O'Hare and worked there for about 2 years to boot. Seen some crazy shit, but I've never seen a 747 do that. Definitely did not look like a normal landing. Maybe the pilot noticed at the last second that he was about to land on the taxiway.

[SgtUSMC8541]

Originally posted by Ergogirl

Edited to add: And no, I wasn't the one at the controls, SgtUSMC8541!! :D

If you could have seen me when I was getting my VFR, I looked like that.

[Sdiver]

WOW !!!!

Ant landing you can walk away from ......:eek:

[SN]

Probably a strong crosswind, he's crabbing and straightens out just prior to landing. I've seen it before, but never that close to the ground.

[Ergogirl]

Originally posted by SgtUSMC8541
If you could have seen me when I was getting my VFR, I looked like that.

In that case I'm glad I didn't see that! ;)

Naw, actually I've had a few Kodak moments myself. Most notable was the first time I landed around sunset. I was amazed at how quickly the sky had gotten dark and I kept complaining to my instructor that I couldn't see anything. I even had him turn up the panel lighting because I couldn't read my instruments.

You can imagine the look on my face after we landed and he pointed out that I was still wearing my sunglasses.... :o :cool:

[Nuke]

I do believe you are right about it being Hong kong.
One approach there has a steep approach angle and it looks like the cross wind was high.
Nice landing!

[Doogie320]

Originally posted by Ergogirl
You can imagine the look on my face after we landed and he pointed out that I was still wearing my sunglasses.... :o :cool:

I had a sunset skydive like that: glasses on during the climb because of the bright sun, left them on for freefall and realized how dark the earth was. :eek:

My landing was awesome.

[RAT]

Originally posted by Ergogirl
You can imagine the look on my face after we landed and he pointed out that I was still wearing my sunglasses.... :o :cool:

Yep...

You better just finish your thesis and just stay on the ground. HAHAHAHA

See what you get for trying to be cool like Mavrick from TOP GUN...

:D

RAT OUT!!!

[Ergogirl]

Originally posted by RAT
Yep...

You better just finish your thesis and just stay on the ground. HAHAHAHA



Just now you sounded like my academic advisor. Ever considered a career in higher education? :D

[1026]

That 747 jock is numbah 1; I've seen RAF Nimrod pilots do some nifty maneuvers while correcting for the Cornish winds at St. Mawgan. There are places on the planet where extreme/odd weather is the rule rather than the exception.;)

[TigerHooter]

Originally posted by Ergogirl
In that case I'm glad I didn't see that! ;)

Naw, actually I've had a few Kodak moments myself. Most notable was the first time I landed around sunset. I was amazed at how quickly the sky had gotten dark and I kept complaining to my instructor that I couldn't see anything. I even had him turn up the panel lighting because I couldn't read my instruments.

You can imagine the look on my face after we landed and he pointed out that I was still wearing my sunglasses.... :o :cool:

I was already an Army Aviator, Commercial Pilot, ASEL, Rotorcraft, and CFI ASEL, Instrument, taking my Commercial MEL checkride and let the same thing happen to me. I was under the "hood" on an ILS approach to Topeka/Ballard after doing accelerated stalls, and not understanding why I felt like I was almost totally inverted and could barely make out the approach chart. The examiner laughed so hard! Said he didn't have to do anything to riase the heat, because I had my sunglasses on and the hood had fallen down to my chest as I started the approach. I was almost inverted. In my seat.

And to think...

Some of our best and bravest trusted me over others they knew.

We all learn from our survivable mistakes.

TH

[Axe]

I am no white-knuckled flyer and have seen and been through what I thought were some unusual low-level maneuvers, but if I were on that plane, I would have soiled my armor if the pilot hadn't warned me some dynamic cross-wind procedures were going to be employed.

[Ergogirl]

My memory will probably get me in trouble here, but the first time I saw this HKG landing video was several years ago when some friends at the FAA passed it along to me. I seem to recall them thinking it was an emergency landing. The fact that somebody was filming it seems to support that.

Either way, it's incredible to think a 747 can do that.


Tigerhooter- LOL! I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who sometimes can't see what's right in front of my eyes.

I hope you passed your checkride.......




*Edited for clarity

[RAT]

Originally posted by Ergogirl
Just now you sounded like my academic advisor. Ever considered a career in higher education? :D

Have you seen the way I spell... HAHAHAH :D

The only higher education I want to do would be advanced or upper level skinny women's wrestling. :D


RAT OUT!!!

[WS-G]

Originally posted by 1026
There are places on the planet where extreme/odd weather is the rule rather than the exception.
Keflavik and Lajes are only two more examples; I've been in and out of both repeatedly.

Yes, that was a fairly stiff crab angle, but it obviously worked. Undoubtedly necessitated by a marked crosswind component. Transitioning to a sideslip correction at the last moment with no drift, on the centreline of the runway and in the touchdown zone, especially for a machine with as much inertia as a B747, is an excellent example of the mastery of basic aircraft handling by anyone's standard.

And yes, that is Hong Kong.

[KJ]

I think it is Adak that has the runway that looks like a saddle between two hills.

[DCH]

Rook a rike da pyrot have a rittle too much bubbry befor fright?

[ibquiet]

The bird has Korean Air Cargo markings, and a search on airliners.net turned up some really cool photos. It is at Kai Tak International Hong Kong, the airport is now closed apparently, but there are some good photos of some crazy approaches.

[TigerHooter]

I haven't been able to view the video, but it sounds like a "Kick-out".
In heavy crosswinds, Airline Transport Pilots have used this kind of maneuver since at least 1980 when I first heard of it.

You fly the entire approach in a "crab", in trim that is, instead of "slipping" it in, upwind wing down to conteract the wind, for the final ?? feet. The altitude at which you transition to a "slip" is dictated by size and approach speed of your ACFT.

In the "kick-out", you maintain the AC in trim (crabbing) until just prior to runway contact, at which time you roll the downwind wing (let's say the left), and therefore the associated main landing gear, onto the tarmac and then kick the same pedal (left) to pull the nose around to the direction of landing. This prevents contact of the upwind wing that would occur if you tried the normal side-slip landing in winds that exceed the crosswind component of your AC.

Least, if memory serves. I haven't taught flying since '96 and fixed-wing since ?'81?

TH

[Spinner]

Wonder how it felt to be on that flight?

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N4522V This aircraft once went supersonic for awhile: On 19Feb1985 whilst flying TPE-LAX it went into an uncontrolled dive, and became supersonic for a short time. It recovered after losing 32,000 feet in height...seen after being put back into service

[Spinner]

Originally posted by TigerHooter
I haven't been able to view the video, but it sounds like a "Kick-out".
In heavy crosswinds, Airline Transport Pilots have used this kind of maneuver since at least 1980 when I first heard of it.


I'll bet that's the maneuver the pilot was using. It looked pretty extreme, but I guess practice makes (almost) perfect.:cool:

[Ergogirl]

Originally posted by Spinner
N4522V This aircraft once went supersonic for awhile: On 19Feb1985 whilst flying TPE-LAX it went into an uncontrolled dive, and became supersonic for a short time. It recovered after losing 32,000 feet in height...seen after being put back into service

I remember reading about this accident in one of my classes. It's a textbook example of how increased automation on the flightdeck can sometimes hinder situation awareness rather than help it.

In a nutshell, the autopilot kept compensating for a growing problem without the flightcrew noticing what was happening. When the Captain finally disconnected the autopilot, he wasn't aware of the extreme inputs the aircraft had been using and the plane rolled over.

I don't remember the supersonic thing, but I do recall that parts of the data recorder were damaged during the 5 G acceleration rate the plane experienced. :eek:

[WS-G]

Originally posted by Ergogirl
When the Captain finally disconnected the autopilot, he wasn't aware of the extreme inputs the aircraft had been using and the plane rolled over.
The aircraft (a B727) only exceeded Mach 1 very briefly. Crew extended the landing gear as part of the recovery. Comic relief when the FE s*** himself.

[Ergogirl]

Found this today and it brought back memories of this thread. Not as spectacular as the first one posted, but still kinda neat.

http://hardyheinlin.de/films.htm

Scroll down to "747-200: Landing in Hong Kong"

Here's a description from another page:
"Kai Tak Landing - A small clip of a (real-life) video I recorded while sitting on the checkerboard (in 1998, a few days before Kai Tak closed). It shows a 747 hit by an extreme cross wind gust during the flare. It seems the aircraft will end up in the “grass”, skidding at a 30° offset heading. File size 2.8 MB. Duration 40 seconds. By Hardy Heinlin."