Juko-kai?

[bigbull_21]

Anyone have any experience/opinions/educated input regarding Juko Kai? Just heard about it today on the learning channel. Its claim to fame seems to be that the practitioners can ignore severe amounts of pain and resist injuries. Some of the demos they showed were of people getting punched, kicked, strangled and keeping their composure like it was nothing. One dude even took a kick to the groin without blinking. Found this about the founder:

http://www.jukokai.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Apage&file=index&rpage=15

[Daredevil]

Personally I think it's crap.

None of the blows are the the face. They're from the neck down.

Furthermore, the person being struck is given time to prepare themselves for the blow.

A lot of people can take punishment under those conditions. I can't see stopping an attacker and asking him to punch you in the chest after giving you a moment to concentrate.

The only reason I see for doing this is is economical. If you can't afford a leatherclad dominating Mistress to do this stuff for you, I guess those jokers can.

[Snake]

BIGTIME FAKES.

Sacharnosky has been busted many, many times. His degrees (academic) are fake, from a diploma mill that has since been killed.
His Judo quals extend to First Dan, and that's it.



Fake.

[Snake]

"In the Orient, he is considered to be one of the West’s highest-graded non-Asian, martial arts masters. "

In other words: "Asian people, who you can't talk to as you don't speak Korean/Mandarin/Japanese, think this guy's a stud. Trust us."

[martialboxer]

The use of the term "soke" would usually indicate a fraud. A lot of non-native speakers who decide to start their own system misuse the word, thinking it's a general term. The last time I read something on E-Budo is that you can count the number of sokes in Japan with yoru fingers.

[Gryfen-FL]

Soke:

The term was defined to me as the 'headmaster of a ryu'. By that definition, any crackpot who makes up his own style could call himself a 'soke'.

'oldest traditional martial art in america'. Didn't Karate start to take off around the '50's? He claims 50 years of experience, and is the 'founder' of JukoKai.

I don't think those numbers add up, did I misread?

[Ranger002]

Originally posted by Gryfen-FL
Soke:

The term was defined to me as the 'headmaster of a ryu'. By that definition, any crackpot who makes up his own style could call himself a 'soke'.

'oldest traditional martial art in america'. Didn't Karate start to take off around the '50's? He claims 50 years of experience, and is the 'founder' of JukoKai.

I don't think those numbers add up, did I misread?

An older form Judo and Ju-Jitsu were first demonstrated to President Teddy Roosevelt during the first part of the last century. Some White Males were allowed to study and practice some of the Japanese Martial Arts but not in any great numbers till after WW2. It is the same with the Chinese Arts as well. Whites were not allowed to practice until the 50/60's and for those of you who knew Jimmy Woo and Bruce Lee they had allot to do with it.

As for this guy well sooner of or later perhaps a humble practioner from another art will kick his ass and expose him for the fraud he is.

On another note you newbies should be aware that many of the main stream Martial Arts splinter into little branches all the time with folks who have very strong ideas about thier respective practice. These are all subject to natural selection as only the best of them survive to florish in the Martial Arts. As soon as this bozo dies his "Art" will either fade out or if it is legitimate and it does work then it may live on.

William Hazen

[martialboxer]

Originally posted by Gryfen-FL
Soke:

The term was defined to me as the 'headmaster of a ryu'. By that definition, any crackpot who makes up his own style could call himself a 'soke'.
That's what I originally thought, but there's a lot more to the definition. The person needs to be a headmaster of an art, not necessarily a style.

"Art" is style and style needs lineage.

Effectiveness just needs to work, without any need for 'art'.

Ballet and line dancing are both dance styles but only one is 'art' and only one is effective for the avereage person bar dancing...

Although the quote had nothing to do with the definition of sokes, I do remember being explained that is part of the definition.

I always find it interesting that very few Japanese headmasters are considered sokes yet in the US, they even have "soke councils" which our Juko-kai friend is a part of.

http://jukokai.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Apage&file=index&rpage=24

That page makes me sick. A required 5th dan from an "Asian" art... Hell, most of the "rankings" are their own concoction labeled with an "Asian"-sounding name which most of the time makes little sense. Last time I checked, there's more than one Asian language and they have many phonetic differences. That might attribute to the mixing and matching of certain common phrases. Their infatuation with the Eastern arts have given them too big of an ego, and it's not being helped by the mutual ego stroking organization they have. The actual ranks of time-tested styles come from organizations that the practitioners themselves founded. It's an "I develop an organizing body/federation and give myself a rank in TKD" type of deal.

"As long as they sound Asian, you can join us." It's odd that they mostly comprise of the "Asian-sounding" arts. By Asian, they only mean East Asian-like names. Muay thai, kali, Burmese kickboxing, etc. are rarely included.

http://www.soke.org/members.htm

A few members have Filipino clothing, yet don't claim Filipino experience. Some even mix-'n-match equipment with clothing. One guy is holding a katana with a baseball bat grip. I don't have any LEO or military experience, but does the man look like he have experience in firearms? He has his index finger extended. But he does fit the example in that he has his own JKD organization.

But yeah, if I was that desperate for publicity and money and lost my pride, then I'd be willing to be hit on television.