joining FFL,ex FFL?

[HitMan]

I would like to join FFL,
but I don't know the detail.
Could anyone tell me the detail of fitness test,phycho test and medical test?
Also,I want to take a look on the life of the FFL. Are there any abuse or homosexality in FFL?Are there any asian in FFL?
Do FFL accept asian?

If there is any EX-FFL here,please give me some advice.contact me at:hitman_blue@hotmail.com

[XS]

If you are trying this to further your career as a mercenary, I SERIOUSLY suggest you look elsewhere!

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RCJ Machado

[BG]

I am seriously trying not *LMAO!*, at least the little bugger is persistent. *shaking head* Some wankers just can't be helped! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif

On to better things...

BG.

[LRSC Grunt]

Are you trying to tell us your an abusive homosexual asian?

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[BG]

*LMAO!* Good call. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif

[XS]

Dear o dear! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

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[Danne]

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...

[LRSC Grunt]

YOU BOOM BOOM NOW!!!

lol

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[XS]

With a name like HitMan, should any of this be a supprise? http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/rolleyes.gif

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[Mike]

HITMAN, Vietnamese represented the largest Asia bloc (so far) in the French Foreign Legion since Vietnam was a French colony, ya know.

[FullForce]

Hitman,

Just go the FFL homepage. It will tell you everything you want to know.

Full Force all the Way

[Samuel]

HITMAN,go to frenchforeignlegion.com
Everything you want to know about the legion
And to the sucker with the homo-joke,the legion is the only army that has an whorehouse.So who's an homo know,cocksucker?

[Samuel]

HITMAN,i am going to join the legion next fall.Why?Because if i join the Dutch army there's a big chance i won't see some action.Like many goverments the Dutch are playing safe.If the risks are to great they won't sent troops,because the dutch have a so-called SARAJEVO-syndrom(they didn't get the reinforcement or airsupport to stop the muslims from slaughtering hundreds of innoccent people,so they didn't do anything)
The U.S. won't sent any troops to Ethiopia and Eritrea because they have a so-called SOMALIA-syndrom(saw it on CNN last week).A lot of soldiers can't do what they are trained to do because their goverment are having a SYNDROM.That sucks.And when they do decide to send troops,when they think the risks are acceptable,thousands of innocent people have been killed.See Kosovo.When other goverments were still deciding,the French had already made up their mind to send in the Legion.So if their is a hotspot somewhere in the world the Legion is going to be there.That's why i'm joining the Legion.To see some action.
Maybe i see you in Castelnaudery.

[Enfield]

Or you could end up painting trash cans in France, or watching camels in Djibouti... but whatever. Good luck in the Legion! A buddy of mine is going over in Oct.

Enfield

[LRSC Grunt]

Samuel,

You are a forign idiot...shut your cock holster!!!

Some peoples children http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/rolleyes.gif ::shaking head::

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[Samuel]

Enfield,it's possible that i will paint trashcans,but not likely.See,the legion is like this,if you end up first in your class during basic training you get to pick the assignment,the one that came up second can choose from what's left and so on.If i make sure i end up in the top 10%,i won't paint trashcans.
Oh,grunt.Fuck you.You was asking for it.Don't waste our time with childish comments.

[LRSC Grunt]

No samuel,
F8ck you!!

Non english speaking idiot.

(read the entire thread buthole)

[Samuel]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
SUCKER!!!

[Samuel]

I read in the morning paper that the dutch and the us are thinking about sending troops to somalia and eritrea.But my comment above still stands.Like i said they are playing save.There were only a few gunbattles between
somali- and eritrea-bordertroops,so the two goverments are asking the U.N. to stand in between to prevent a small-scale conflict.

grunt,I got to ask you something.
So far you haven't made a decent reply to any of my comments.If you think i am so full of shit,why don't you tell what it is i am wrong about?I'm man enough to admit it when i'm wrong.But come with good arguments.Don't give me one of your immature comments.

[Danne]

Samuel: You better read the whole tread and look at the ironi in Grunts first post...

[XS]

Something a little more mature than "cocksucker" eh Samuel?

Dick!

[LRSC Grunt]

Samuel,

1. Learn to speak proper english you idiot.

2. Read all of Hitmans posts. You will see why I took some shots at him.

3. Get a life.

[baboon]

" France decided to send the Legion into Kosovo " Huh? When did this happen? All of France's actions in the Balkans have been part of the same NATO operations as any other country including the Netherlands.

[Samuel]

grunt,i admit.I didn't read all of HITMAN's posts.My bad.

Baboon,I didn't say they weren't part of the same op,but that the french already made up there mind while others were still deciding.
Like they say in the military:Indecision will cost you your life.But in this case thousands of innocent lives.

But my point of all my comments was,that the french are always ready without a doubt to send in the Legion to do france dirty work,unlike the dutch.Since that incident in Joegoslavia the politicians in holland are bitching about sending troops.
If the risks are to great they won't send in combat-troops but support units.

[baboon]

Samuel my point is

1) Like all western countries France has to think very carefully before committing combat troops
2) If they do send troops they won't necessarily be from the Foreign Legion
3) If the French were so keen to go into Kosovo how come the British (who have a smaller army)and the US had more troops there?

[Samuel]

1)yes and no.Of course they have to think before sending troops,but not as much as the dutch cause there are no french lives at stake.That's why they formed the legion to begin with.
2)As far as i know they have always send in the Legion as their main force.
3)I didn't say they were so keen to go but that they made up their mind sooner.Why there were more U.K. and U.S. troops ,i don't know.Maybe because,like always,the U.K. and especially the U.S. wanted it to be their show.

If you have time read my new topic about the Indonesian SF and check out the sites i linked there.

[patrick]

Samuel, I'm sorry I have to say that, but you really don't know shit about anything. Of course, that doesn't mean you canno't try to join the foreign legion but judging on your knowledge of it, I think you might be in for a big surprise.

[WS-G]

(rearranged from final line of Le Boudin refrain)

...Pour HitMan y en a plus, pour Samuel y en a plus,
Ces sont de tireurs au cul!

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[Samuel]

Well,that's a difference of opinion.But that's what this board is all about.

[ZeroG]

So samuel. You are telling me the US and UK risked the lives of military personnel just to show off?

[Samuel]

No,i meant that they want to be in charge(their show)

[XS]

Personally, I'm a little more worried about our poor, delusional HitMan.

Originally posted by patrick:
Samuel, I'm sorry I have to say that, but you really don't know shit about anything. Of course, that doesn't mean you canno't try to join the foreign legion but judging on your knowledge of it, I think you might be in for a big surprise.



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[Repp]

True that!

Hitman, I am waiting for an answer. How old are you, and why do you want to join the FFL. Nothing against the FFL, but if you are already worried about abuse, you shouldn't go there. I know a guy who got beat, because he complained his uniform was too small. Trust me, you better have iron balls, or you are someone who saw too many movies and in for a BIG surprise. (like seaairland for that matter)
Grunt...tell me more about texas beer! Sounds promising.

Repp

[Samuel]

Yeah.

[XS]

Samuel you aren't much better.

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[WS-G]

Repp:

Um den texischen Bieren, Shiner Bock und (man sagt es wie Scheiner) ist bestimmt eine bessere Sorte. Rolling Rock schmeckt gut, aber etwas zu viele Kohlensäure hat.

Samuel:

Voetsak.

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[Samuel]

XS,like i said before,that's a difference of opinion

William,i speak dutch not deutch.

[XS]

You want to join the FFL in order to see action, but in order to get in a unit that will let you do this you assume you will get in the top 10% of your intake. If you were smart enough to do this, you would be smart enough not to base five years of your life on this assumption.

Just be prepared to spend five years of your life scraping up camel shit in Chad. Life was never meant to be that easy, and the military, being the military, will do its damdest to make sure you and Mr Shitty Cammel get firmly equainted.

Originally posted by Samuel:
XS,like i said before,that's a difference of opinion.



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[Samuel]

XS
Like i said to enfield.It's possible that i have to paint trash cans,but that's workdetail,i wont do that all the time.In vietnam they didn't have units that were only burning the shitcans,or did they?

And i'm not assuming anything.
I want to join the legions SF-regiment,and ofcourse i am not going in without being fysicly and mentally prepared to make sure i will make it.I know that there is no guarantee i will make it,shit happens.But even if i'm send to one of the infantry- or mech-regiments,it will be for a tour of two years.
If you have shown in these two years that you're capable and motivated,you will be send to the regiment of your choice.

You may think i am assuming things again.
My point is,i'm ready for everything and i will make sure i won't be painting trashcans
and scraping camel-shit for 5 years in Djibouti.
Where there is a will,there is a way.

[Repp]

Ein Deutscher in Texas, oder hast du nur deutsch gelernt?

http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif hitman I am Waiting!!!!

Repp

[WS-G]

Repp:

Kein Deutscher ich, sondern Amerikaner! Aber habe ich die Sprache in den USA studiert, manchmal ins BRD gebraucht.

Samuel:

The one-word comment addressed to you was not in German, but in Afrikaans.

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433MAW (AFRES) — 1985-1991

Co. G, 143d Inf (LRS), TXARNG — 2000-present

State of Texas certified Peace Officer

FAA-certificated pilot and Advanced Ground Instructor

[XS]

Well best of luck then.

That still leaves HitMan...

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[LRSC Grunt]

Repp, www.shiner.com (http://www.shiner.com) http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

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[Samuel]

Yeah,where is HITMAN.

William,what does voetzak mean.

[Samuel]

XS

I got to ask you something?

What's the Australian goverment's opinion about the recent situation in Indonesia?

Maube you have read about it in the newspaper?

[XS]

Which situation? There have been so many it is easy to loose track.

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[Samuel]

About the military involvement in the riots in the Moluccan islands and West-Papua!

Last month the muslim-militia and the army destroyed two christian villages in the Moluccans.Hundreds of people were killed.

Last week the military shot and killed 40 people in West-Papua.

[baboon]

Samuel, " voetsek " means (politely) "clear off".

Meneer Salter, kan jy ook Afrikaans praat?

[Enfield]

Samuel - What exactly do you think the Legion does in Djibouti, the Pacific, and all those other little outposts of Colonial France?
A couple years ago the Legion band played at a military tattoo in my city. They had just returned from operatonal deployment in Chad, so I guess they were seeing action. WHile here in Canada 15 of them deserted, took off, were never seen again. If life is so great in the FFL, why did they leave?
The Legion is a great fighting force, but there is the question for the individual if the downsides - harsh, brutal discipline, very, very shitty work, and being looked down upon by the French are worth it.

I have a question, since we're on the Legion:
For those of you with military experience, what the common view in other armies regarding the Legion? Good? Bad? Alcoholic? Tough? Overrated? Criminals?

Enfield

[XS]

Over rated!

They think the world of themselves, but are the only ones who think so. IMO 2REP is the only unit with some credibilty.

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[dsumner]

A few years ago I had the opertunity to watch the 2 REP's amphibious Co. do some joint trianing with the US Army's 7th Transportation group on Ft. Eustis.

They seem to be pretty squared away, a few of them had an attitude(msotly younger guys from eastern Europe),but the NCO's were OK.

The French are just like anyone else. They have some high speed units (DINOPS, 2 REP, 1er RPIMa,COFUSCO, EICA, etc.), and some that could not fight their way out of a bag. Either way it's always fun to crack jokes about the frogs.

[Repp]

Hitman, why aren't you answering ?
It makes you look like a fool you know. Now if you aren't man enough to answer here, you should NOT go tho the FFL

Repp

[Daredevil]

I've heard desertion is a very common thing with the Legion. It's almost like a challenge type of thing. I've heard a lot of deserters go back in willingly.

XS is right though, the only Legion outfit I would be even remotely interested in is 2REP. Of course, I have no interest in being a Legionairre.

People seem to forget the whole purpose of the Legion is political expediency. The French government can give them suicidal jobs, they can get killed, and there are no families in France to raise hell.

[Enfield]

Daredevil - very true, that's the whole reason for the Legion - "Every dead legionnaire has saved the life of Frenchmen", "You are Legionnaires in order to die", etc. And the fact that in Indochina the 1st REP was destroyed almost to a man TWICE....
I read in a recent Legion book (forget which one) that when the Legion moved back to France Frenchmen started to enlist - not particularly new, but no these French Legionnaires could go home on leave and whatever. They complained to their families about the abuse, and in the 80's the Legion had to change some rules - such as; deaths in the Legion had to be investigated, Legion prison was made easier, and a lot of punishments were changed.

Enfield

[patrick]

If the legion's image is controversial, it's because people (like Samuel) still believe some of the stuff you can read in bad novels or see in Jean-Claude Van Damme movies, while others still think of the legion as a bunch of criminals and mercenaries sent to Africa to shoot rebel tribes in the desert.
But the colonial days are gone.
In the French forces, we never considered the legion regiments to be the best we had. So, for us, they are not overrated because we know what their mission is and what you can expect from them. Foreign legion regiments have the same specialization as other units in the French army (infantry, tanks, paratroopers, engineers, etc.), they are used in the same way as the others (no suicidal misssions)and they're good at what they do. But none of the legion regiments (except 2 REP and a very small number of units below the regiment size) is part of what we consider to be the elite of the French forces.
So it's quite annoying sometimes, when you talk about elite or SOF forces in the world (like on this forum), to see that many of the topics relating to France are about the legion, because the legion as a whole is neither an elite force nor a special operations force as I understand these expressions.

[XS]

Well I have to say this was one of the more successful troll posts on this board, and we have yet to hear a response from HitMan.

If this keeps up I may be tempted to email the twit!

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[WS-G]

baboon:

Only some of the more... ahem... "picturesque" expressions http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif. I can still sort out the meaning of the written form however!

[Repp]

XS , email him

he seems to be ashamed, now that about everyone on the board calles him an idiot. Yet it was his question which got the thing roling.

[ZeroG]

Foreign Legion to admit womyn.....WOO HOO
Samuel will be happy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_969000/969475.stm

[ZeroG]

Foreign Legion to admit womyn.....Woo Hoo
Samuel will be happy http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_969000/969475.stm

[baboon]

Patrick-
thanks for bringing some sense to this string.

[Enfield]

WOMEN in the FFL??!!!
Okay... today is truly a sad day... the ultimate pacification and feminization of the West's armies...
You'd think the Legion wuld be the last place to have females admitted... I'll bet the integration won't go well...

Enfield

[Snake]

I'd truly -hate- to be the 1st femme to go throught Castelnaudry....


Snake
25th ID(L)

[Repp]

I second that!

The now want to allow women into the Bundeswehr. Except the Combat Divers! They didn't see G.I. Jane, which shows how great women are in the military.

As the 1st women in the legion ..bummer...although our hitman won't feel much different.

Repp

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[nose]

I read that there are already some women in 2REP, in the newly formed 5th company, they take care of some of the maintenance (fixing parachutes, and so on).

[Enfield]

I read that too, but they aren't considered members of the Legion - no Kepi Blanc for them.
How could the French possibly think this could work???
Great week for western militaries... Canada disbands the Jump Companies, US Army gives black berets for everyone, the Legion goes co-ed...

Enfield

[HitMan]

Sorry for taking so long to reply you all.
....I believe forum should be used for exchanging information.I am disappointed because so many of you just keep on insulting the others.......
Please,don't be childish.

Repp:
You asked me why do I want to join?
I am sorry.I can't tell you here.Forum is not a right place.
If you really want to know,email me.
I trust you,you are reasonable.
At least you didn't keep on barking like the dogs.

Samuel:
you decided to join?
good luck.
Perhaps I will stay with you in the near future.
stay alive.

[Repp]

Good, email me, my adress is Repp@specialoperations.com you know the questions I asked.

I'll be waiting

[XS]

Make sure you post his email now wont you?

After this post we need the closure! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif

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[Repp]

Hitman,
I read your email, and that (you know what) is NOT a good reason to go to the FFL. There are other places where you can go and will have more succsess. Don't go trying to play merc.

that's my humble standpoint
Repp


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[XS]

Would you PLEASE post the email he sent you, or at least email it to me at ARHale@bigfoot.com

PLEASE!

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[Repp]

Hitman,

don't be ahamed of the reason. It is straightforward and reasonable. I just think the FFL is the wrong place. I know hardly more than the Bundeswehr in Germany. Some of the chaps here however, know more: ask them

Repp

[Enfield]

earlier on this thread I mentioned that a friend of mine planned the Legion. He went to Paris a few weeks ago, and I just received this e-mail from him. At this point, he's either just begun basic training, or waiting to begin his course, and hs been in for 3 weeks. It's..um, interesting. Here's the main parts, and I've taken out the names.

....allow me to explain the situation under which I am able to send
you
this e-mail. I am in Aubange at an extremely large Legionnaire base of
operations inside the office of a Corporal who has thoughtlessly left
his
computer online,(well, I do hope so anyways, otherwise I just fell into
a
trap). I am supposed to be cleaning his office floor, and he is just
down
the hallway so I have to be quick. This place is one large
disappointment
after another, and it seemingly has nothing to offer that a
conventional
military institution does not. I am to see no one from my "past life"
as I
am no longer %%(&^^%$% but instead a man named
!*$#*&%
...The corporal chefs are a joke having huge bellies and little
or no
manners , they smoke or drink all the bloody time and as far as I have
discerned are complete and utter mental midgets. I constantly in a
defensive
state due to the large amount of thieves and snitches (little sell-outs
who
"earn" extra privileges for acting as informants) about, however I
managed
to form my own little group consisting of, believe it or not an
enormous
Russian named ^%&^$ who is keeping the corporal busy at the moment,an
english
frank $&$%*&(, a finlander Angus !#@&*%, and a ? named schmitt (he is
not
german). I have passed the physchotechnical "test" no problem and the
medical. I hate it here. No time .
- ^%$##^@!

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[patrick]

Yes, well, what did your friend expect? The FFL is a quite conventional military institution; this shouldn't come as a surprise. And I have to say your friend is quite unlikely to get any "top secret" or highly sensitive mission (if that's what he's looking for), at least certainly not during basic training which aims primarily at selecting suitable people for FFL job. I hope Hitman, Samuel and Co. will have taken good notice.

[Daredevil]

Very interesting Enfield. Thanks of posting that.

People don't seem to realize that the Legion as a whole simply performs the same roles as other parts of the conventional French army. The Legion does have units with Special Operations capabilities but that doesn't represent the entire Legion.

[Enfield]

Patrick - I realize that (and thus I'm sitting here while my friend is clenaing offices in Aubagne). But I think that most recruits think the Legion is something special. I posted that letter as an example of what one recruit thought of the Legion, not as proof that the Legion is terrible or anything else. And I realise that only being 3 weeks into the training, let alone a 5 year contract, isn't the best representation of Legionnaires.

Enfield

[patrick]

Enfield - understand you perfectly. Good idea you had to put your friend's message on the board (puts things a little bit into perspective).

[HitMan]

Repp:
why don't you reply me?

[Slug]

To all you Legion experts...most who " Know a guy who was there, etc..."

The Legion is like any other military, you may or may not see action. Your ranking at the end of Legion basic training has nothing to do with what you will do during your Legion career. Yes, you can pick your regiment according to the spaces available. #1 gets to pick first. If you think that everyone there wants to go to 2 REP, you're mistaken. If you think that the REP is the only regiment sent into combat zones, you are again mistaken. In my class the last 5 guys were told they HAD to go to the REP, because the spots had not been filled yet. So you had some of the best and some of the worst going to this regiment. If you end up painting trash cans or cleaning up camel crap for 5 years, that means that YOU are a piece of shit, and are not operating at a level of competence to be a part of an active combat company. Even when there are no combat deployments you will go on course until you can get a deployment.
Also, the violence in basic training (Castel) dropped off significantly in 1997. To all those who went through Castel after 1997, sorry, but its the truth, and just hope your mates don't read this. You may get slapped around a bit these days, but the harsh beatings are rare and will usually end up with the offending Caporal going to jail for a few days.
The Legion is sadly becoming "Pussified" much like the US forces, but there are still some opportunities to get into the shit, and operate with some kick-ass mates, much like the US forces.



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[reconsweden]

Enfield,

It would be interesting to hear what your friends says after basic, when he´s on a regiment, I´d appriciate if you´ll post anything you hear about his time there.




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[Enfield]

reconsweden-
Actually, my friend recently returned home. He was involved in a fight with the instructors and was given the option to leave or come home. He decided the FFL wan't what he expected, and came home. He made the mistake of buying into all the romantic-crap that was written about the Legion. He spent almost 3 months picking up leaves by hand and cleaning offices and getting into fights with the Russians, not exactly what he thought of when he went to join.

Anyways, I dn't pretend to understand why he went over and what he thought it would be like, or why he decided to come back. He failed, enough said.

Enfield

[Slug]

Well the Legion might not be what most expect, but if your buddy just did Castel'(basic training) and that's it, he doesn't know the Legion. You need to give the Legion about a year to really get to know it, go do some courses, overseas, something, after that you can make an educated decision on what you think. A lot of guys think that because you get your Kepi after your 1rst month, they are legionnaires...Here's a secret...You get your Kepi after your first month so you can pull gate-guard during service week while at basic! If you can go into your home-countries military, then I would suggest that before heading off into the Legion. But if you insist on military life and for whatever reason can't get into your own military, the Legion is an option. Its not the same as it was even a few years ago, but they still get some descent missions and the experience is, well its different for each individual. Lastly, the Legion is not an elite force, its a unique unit that do some things better and some worse than other armies. There are good and bad in the Legion as in any military.
And Enfield, if your Friend wasn't happy about his practical hand-to-hand instruction, its best that he didn't go on to one of the regiments, it only gets more intense in a combat company.

[Tracy]

Slug:

Nice balanced response. Your experience closely reflects what I saw in Corsica with 2eme REP. Good bunch of Soldiers. The NCOs were what impressed me the most when we trained with them (1986).

[Slug]

Tracy:

I hear that quite a lot in these forums, and you're correct in saying that some of the young legionnaires would generally not be up to par. The Legion is filled with all sorts. Quite commomon is a recruit who has little interest in military affairs, and more interest in a paycheck and a French passport. So basically the Legion is a process of absorbtion. After 5 years in a COMBAT company, most of the NCOs have soaked up enough of the Legion way to perform in a competent manner. The curse that the Legion can not escape from though, is the loss good operators. You generally see two types desert the Legion ranks, those who can't handle the hardship, and those who aren't getting enough. Its pretty much a luck of the draw thing, if your Company Commander is good, you are in for lots of training and missions. If you get a less motivated CO, you have to make it happen yourself by requesting courses until you deploy. If you're good, you get your courses, if not you do just standard training with your company. If you're an oxygen thief, you'll end up in an admin or support position against your will. Well, thats my take on things anyways.

[reconsweden]

Lots of interesting reading in this thread.

I have also been thinking of joining the FFL since there is no future in the Swedish mil and the FFL is the only option since I don´t have a greencard or anything.
But the only thing stopping me is what you guys said here, no way of knowing what type of duty you get, not many high speed units to advance to and finally the thought of signing up for five years and getting crappy assignments no room for advancement(unit, not rank).


Any suggestions on what to do??




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[patrick]

If you already have a life, don't go.
If you want out of the swedish military, try and get a job in a civilian company.
If nothing else holds you back and you want to find out what FFL is like, you might as well join. If you're any good, you won't get crappy assignments and in a five year time span you're bound to see some action.
But, as I said, if there are people or things you care for in Sweden, don't go.

[abprar]

What is the euro obsession with the FFL,don't you guys like pussy cause leave in the FFl ain't that great.Shit thats enough to stop me, after getting a taste of military life here at home.Being around the same guys day in day out in the middle of nowhere ain't that great.As for the FFL having whores you can bet they are bunch of flea bitten mutts.Alot of guys think that getting a smack in the mouth everytime they mess up is great.Why?
I notice that alot of Sth Africans I've met on my travels are obsessed with the FFL too,which leaves me scratching my head cause the British army will take them.Oh well I guess if I was 18 and didn't know better I'd what to join the legion.Oh yeah if anyone dies in my family or someone is sick my army lets me go home or gives me a choice.I don't think the legion will cause they will be your family.
Patrick I think you should start a thread on french units.I would be interested in hearing about them.

[patrick]

Following Abprar's advice, here's a little story about a "special" special operation that was allegedly carried out by French SOF in 1983. I wasn't there at that time and I don't know if it's true or if it was just a piece of clever disinformation (can you use that word in English ?). Maybe one of you guys (especially in the USMC) did hear something about it as well.
Anyway it goes like this. Following the bombing of the HQ of the French paras in Beyrouth in october 1983 (58 dead, the same day 240 US-Marines were killed), French intelligence decided to retaliate quickly in order to send a signal to the bombers and their leaders. The problem was that they didn't know for sure who of the militias supported by Syria or Iran had done the bombing. So they decided to send a signal to both groups while avoiding at the same time an escalation of the terror against French troops. Shortly after, the body guards of the leaders of both terror groups in Beyrouth found out there was a horrible stench in the mercedes of their boss. They checked the car and a found an old camembert (smelly French cheese) in the glove compartment. I really like this !
Later on French air force bombed the Beeka and a car bomb exploded in the middle of a market in Damaskus. Today however it appears most likely that the 1983 bombings were committed by groups supported by Iran.

[ZeroG]

Cheese can be a powerful weapon...sometimes.

[Frenchie]

HAHAHA!! I never knew that. Thats funny. Yes I would also be very interested in a thread about french units because I want to join French Special Forces. A good site for info on joining the Legion is www.foreignlegionlife.com (http://www.foreignlegionlife.com) .

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[Slug]

ABPRAR:

Once again you know not of what you speak. While at your base, you are generally free from 1800-0600 hrs, barring service week or special training. Though its not permitted to live off base, it is done...a lot. And if an English speaker with a white kepi has a problem with the ladies, he had that problem long before he arrived in France. For any normal player, its like shootin fish in a barrel.
You probably have more accurate info than me though, cause you know a guy who knows a guy etc...
Why don't you stick to subjects that YOU know something about?!

[abprar]

I don't know I guy who knows a guy.I know a guy,well two.But you are right I only know what they told me.One fought in the Falklands with the Paras so My views are clounded by what he said.The other went awol from our army so i don't count him.
Oh and like I said before in another post you have to respect a man that has done legion training.



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[T.P.2]

Looking for some input guys, I hope you can help me.
Does anyone have any good upto date info-links-books and/or photos on the Greek Special Forces???
What is their training-capabilities?
What equipment do they use (weapons-LBE)? Any recent operations?
Are Greek SOFs really any good? http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/rolleyes.gif
Are they in the same level as US Special operations forces or UK, French ,German for that matter? http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif
Do you know of any books or do you have any info on Greek SOFs and their capabilities in comparison with any US units?
I've heard they been active in Yugoslavia??? http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/eek.gif
Have they worked/trained together with any US spec-ops units?

Thanks in advance for all the info.
Regards
T.P.2