Name that pistol

[kalashnikov]

Can anyone identify the pistol on the hip of the German SEK shooter in this picture? http://www.bild.de/service/archiv/2000/jan/29/aktuell/kommissar/bu05d4c.jpg

[trident86]

My guess would be an H&K P7. I know the GSG9 like those.

[kalashnikov]

I think the barrel/slide is too long for it to be a P7.

[Lachi]

I`ve seen this pistol on another picture and I think it is a Glock. I don`t know if german SEK`s use it but the GSG 9 uses it.

[veil]

It's definitely NOT a glock. The grip is too straight and the magazinecap doesnt fit. My guess is an USP - the little dent visible at the magazine well proves this.

-Veil

[kalashnikov]

Here's a larger version of the photo: http://141.2.21.245/sek-action/sek-1-col.jpg

[D.E. Watters]

From the larger photo, it appears to be a variant of the HK P7. You can see the distinctive cocking lever and the forward position of the grip screw. Given the complaint about the slide/barrel length, perhaps they are using one of the P7 long slide variants that Bruce Gray made for HK when they considered fielding a factory IPSC team back in the mid-'80s. Afterall, the MP5 in the background isn't stock either.

[This message has been edited by D.E. Watters (edited 01-30-2000).]

[veil]

Kalasnikov, nice blowup - how did you do that?

There indeed seems to be a cocking lever on the grip, but the mag-bottom baffles me. Must be pretty modified.

Also note the fact that the custom mp5 is equipped with TWO lasers : one in the forearm and one on the end of the gas tube.

-Veil

[JY]

The photo is fairly pixelated but it looks like the P7 due to the cocking lever on front strap and the back strap shows it has separate grip panels with the metal back strap showing (no grip screws in eveidence but probably messed up by pixels) The floor plate of magazine looks like a "bumper pad" or finger extension for gloved hand either can be added on by the operator. The holster appears to have a stiffener built in, to which the holster pouch is attached part appears to extend past the pouch to stabilize the rig, so probably standard length weapon.

The MP 5 has the H&K laser in the cocking rod tube above barrel and a dedicated white light forearm that is made by SureFire.

The fact that SEK operators prefer the P7 (and they can use the handgun of their choice) would also point to the P7, until a better photo is avail. would put a 95% chance that this is the weapon. Take care...Jim

[veil]

Jim, nuh-uh. Take a close look - nothing protruding from the forearm. It has to be a laser, even a 3-volt flashlight would still be at the same level as the muzzle.

-Veil

[JY]

Hi Veil;

There's no flashlight mounted in it, the older SureFire lamp assembly was not recoil proof so the operator would remove the light assembly for training. This saved the light for when it was needed, SureFire then made the Z32 Shock Isolated Bezel that made the light shock proof so you could leave the light in without fear of ruining the lamp assembly. We had the same problem, and used the same method of removing the light assembly when not needed, if not they usually failed when you needed them most. Mr Murphy loves lights and batteries. The BIG giveaway that it is a SureFire is the long touch pad switch on the forearm top, clearly evident in the larger photo.

So you're right about the light extending from the forearm BUT none is mounted here 8)Take care buddy...Jim

[This message has been edited by JY (edited 01-31-2000).]

[veil]

What you say makes sense Jim, but if you look you'll see a lighter round object at the end, looks like one of those adjustable laser sight-caps to me... At least _something_'s in there.

-Veil

[JY]

Hi Veil;

Think thats just the light on the threads showing, that is definately a SureFire fore arm. If there' anything in it, it may be weights to simulate the lamp and battery, but doubt it also could be a cover to keep dirt at such out when the lamp assembly is removed. He has an IR/visible laser mounted in the cocking handle tube, so no need for a second. This looks like, other than the scope, the same basic CQB set up we used for years.

Take care, my friend...Jim

[veil]

According to a surefire catalog their forearms accept both lasers and lights.

I actually think now ive looked at it again, that the forearm contains a flashlight, just with the actual "light" screwed off. That would explain the light chromeish glare on it - exposed threads.

-Veil