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Donnie
30 November 1999, 00:09
I need a check on a Mark Spelmack, he is claiming to be a SEAL, I don't know the class number or anything else. The name is all the info I have. Thanks.

Fred
30 November 1999, 00:58
As of August 99, no Mark Spelmack has ever graduated BUD/S.

Gary
30 November 1999, 02:59
Hey Fred, I ran into an HM1 a few months ago in LA who is in a Marine Reserve unit up there. At the top of his fruit salas was a NC topped of with your Budweiser. He looked a tad over weight. Said he'd been out for years and just got back in the Reserves. Ring a bell? Can't remember the name but shouldn't be hard to track down.

Fred
30 November 1999, 10:44
Doesn't ring a bell, but a name will make it easy to check.

SSD
30 November 1999, 15:35
Everyone wants to be a SEAL. Must have been that movie Navy SEAL's.

Rigger
30 November 1999, 20:19
Was this doc with 3rd anglico?

Gary
30 November 1999, 23:04
He didn't talk about his active duty assignments. I believe he is attached to H&S 2/23.

Sierra 1
1 December 1999, 00:32
Gary,

Last I heard, (I think through SSGT Todd, I cant remember exactly who though) Doc "Marcinko" was a complete fake. He did not rate the Budwieser or any of his other Bronze Stars, Combat action etc. I think he is now being dicharged. I believe SGT D has the whole scoop. Another fraud bites the dust!

Semper Fi, Sierra 1

[This message has been edited by Sierra 1 (edited 11-30-1999).]

Fred
1 December 1999, 01:15
He is at the very least guilty of wearing fraudulent medals. The only SEAL to be awarded the Navy Cross since Vietnam was a LT for action in Panama.

Gary
1 December 1999, 03:26
It boggles my mind! Reminds me of my first experience with a poser. A boot L/Cpl. reports to our unit from Sea Duty in his Alphas and guess what is below his Dual Cool? A CMH Ribbon! Well the Duty NCO punched this kid right square in the face and knocked him out cold. We left him there while the MP's came to pick him up. What a loser!

SSD
2 December 1999, 14:32
I called 2/23 and HM2 Paul D. Husen is the only SEAL they have there. According to the PO I talked to this guy has quite a stack. I don't know if this is the guy in question but a NC, 2 SS's and a BS is quite a chunk of metal.

If this guy is the real deal, then my hat is off. If not, I have their number.

Fred
2 December 1999, 15:40
SSD, no Paul D. Husen (or any name close to that), has ever graduated BUD/S. Ergo, there is no SEAL by that name. If you would be so kind as to leave the # and maybe a contact name for 2/23, I will turn this over to a group of retired SEALs who ferret out imposters. This one seems especially egregious, because the member is still attached to the reserves, could have some interesting legal implications.
Thanx

Sierra 1
2 December 1999, 18:35
SSD and Fred,

Thats got to be the guy Gary and I were talking about. I had heard he was already discovered and was on the way out but maybe not. I pegged this guy as a fake when I saw him wearing the Navy Cross and he looked to be no more than 40 yrs old. I dont know the history on that particular medal but I was reasonably confident that none had been awarded to any SEALs since at least Vietnam.

Drive on SSD and Fred! If this guy is a fraud then lets expose him. I should be down at 2/23 on 6-8 Dec. Ill try to pick up some info. Keep us posted.

Semper Fi, Sierra 1

Frog
2 December 1999, 21:10
When you confront him, print out a copy of this.
Vr, Frog

---------------------------------------
Title 18 United States Code


Sec. 702. Uniform of the armed services and
Public Health Service


Whoever, in any place within the jurisdiction
of the United States or in the Canal Zone, without authority,
wears the uniform, or a distinctive part thereof or anything similar
to a distinctive part of the uniform of any of the armed services
of the United States, Public Health Service or any auxiliary of
such, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
six months, or both.


Sec. 704. Military Medals or Decorations


(a) In General. - Whoever knowingly wears,
manufactures, or sells any decoration or medal authorized by Congress
for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service
medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the
ribbon, button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal,
or any colorable imitation thereof, except when authorized under
regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title
or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.


(b) Congressional Medal of Honor. -


(1) In general. - If a decoration or medal
involved in an offense under subsection (a) is a Congressional
Medal of Honor, in lieu of the punishment provided in that subsection,
the offender shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more
than one year, or both.


(2) Definitions. - (A) As used in subsection
(a) with respect to a Congressional Medal of Honor, "sells"
includes trades, barters, or exchanges for anything of value.


(B) As used in this subsection, "Congressional
Medal of Honor" means a medal awarded under section 2741,
6241 or 8741 of Title 10.


Regarding 18 U.S.C. Sec. 702 and 704(a):


18 U.S.C. Sec. 3559(a)(7) provides that an
offense having a maximum assessable term of confinement of more
than 30 days and less than 6 months is a Class B misdemeanor.


18 U.S.C. Sec. 3571(b)(6) provides that the
maximum fine for a Class B misdemeanor not resulting in death
is $5,000 per count on which the Defendant is convicted.


Regarding 18 U.S.C. Sec. 704(b):


18 U.S.C. Sec. 3559(a)(6) provides that an
offense having a maximum assessable term of confinement of more
than six months and less than one year is a Class A misdemeanor.


18 U.S.C. Sec. 3571(b)(5) provides that the
maximum fine for a Class A misdemeanor not resulting in death
is $100,000 per count on which the Defendant is convicted.

Gary
3 December 1999, 03:01
This guy was at a school to advance his medical skills and the Chief down there gave him a ration of shit until this Poser hit him. Apparently he is to be transferred out of the unit but is still up at the Encino Reserve Center. I distinctly remember him wearing a Trident and NC+. He has been heard to say he caught the latter years of Viet Nam and spent time in Grenada and Panama.

I have his home number. Fred, do you have a generic e-mail address? I'll send it to you.

trident86
3 December 1999, 08:37
Please let me play!!! Shaun@exis.net

I've got plenty of time for this guy.

Mike
3 December 1999, 11:21
Suppose I met someone in a social or work settings and he claimed to be a SEAL:
Do I ask the following?
Which SEAL teams were you with?
What was your class number?
Which was your swim buddy?
etc
And he replied, "All the answers are classified."
The only thing I know is classified by law is the names of CIA agents working in U.S. embassies overseas and in HQ Langley. Newspapers cannot print their names because there is actually a law against naming covert agents.
Are SEALs' backgrounds (regardless of whether they were active duty or retired or) a violation of OPSEC or just common sense?

Fred
3 December 1999, 11:24
Gary, I'd love to see this guy burn.
fireintheholefrog@hotmail.com

SSD
3 December 1999, 14:17
Seems these Wannabes have some moral support. I wonder if these crackpots are the same vigilantes of yesteryear.
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