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dsumner
8 January 2006, 02:44
MarSOC: Just Call Them Marines

Fred L. Schultz

Proceedings, January 2006

The commanding general of the controversial new Marine Corps Special Operations Command--seen here in Iraq, greeting Marines of Gun 6, Battery M, 4th Battalion, 14th Marine Regiment last year—talks to Proceedings.

Not long after he was tapped to lead the first leatherneck contingent into the nation's Special Operations Command, Brigadier Geneal Dennis J. Hejlik was asked by Marine Commandant Michael Hagee if he had settled on a catchy nickname for his troops. General Hejlik nodded.

"Marines," he replied.

Later that day, General Hejlik (pronounced Hey-lik), in an exclusive interview with Proceedings, outlined his plans for the new unit, known as the Marine Corps Special Operations Command (MarSOC).

He also expressed support for the decision to finally make the Marines part of the U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCom), a move long opposed by the Corps. From time to time, he revealed bits and pieces about himself. One thing was evident. He travels light. He showed up with a staff of none.

Over lunch at an Irish restaurant here in Annapolis, the 58-year-old career infantryman laughingly recalled how he found out about the new job. Transferred from California to Quantico, he and his wife, Sandy, were having dinner at a restaurant the night before they were to move into new quarters at the northern Virginia Marine base. His cell phone rang. He took it outside, returned an hour later.

"Where are we going now?" his wife asked. Her husband had been a Marine for 35 years. They had been married for all of those years. She knew something was up.

So long, Quantico. Hello, Camp Lejeune.


An Iowa farm boy, General Hejlik enlisted in the Marines in 1968. He got out four years later as a sergeant and headed off to Minnesota State University, Mankato, just across the border from his home state. On graduation day 1975, he received a diploma and a commission in the Corps.


He has since taken on a wide array of Marine assignments, getting his hands dirty with logistics and weaponry as well as earning a Master's degree from the Naval War College. He served as senior military fellow at the influential Council on Foreign Relations and was two-hatted as deputy commanding general of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force and commanding general of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Brigade in Iraq. Especially important in light of his new assignment, he also was chief of staff and director of the Center for Policy, Training, and Readiness at SOCom, of which his new command will soon be a part.

His tour at SOCom, headquartered in Tampa, Florida, means he's no stranger to the snake-eater community, and his familiarity with the organization no doubt played a role in his selection to head the estimated 2,500-member Marine unit now being organized.

In his most recent combat tour, his brigade took on radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his militia in the fall of 2004 for control of the Islamic holy city of An Najaf. In this battle, General Hejlik's troops lived up to his widely quoted promise to "whack 'em."

After the shooting stopped, he returned to the command center in Fallujah, where his boss, Lieutenant General James T. Conway, the expeditionary force commander, greeted him as if bestowing knighthood.

"Marines, ladies and gentlemen, soldiers, sailors, airmen—The Lion of Najaf!"

The title stuck, and General Hejlik says it's all General Conway's fault.

When he spoke with us, at lunch and later at Naval Institute headquarters in Beach Hall, the general was relaxed and seemed to enjoy the interview. But he also had a sense of purpose, points he wanted to convey, and a good idea of how he wanted his new command to look, even at this early stage.

The Marines are anything but charter members of the Special Operations Command. For many years after Congress created the force in 1986, the Corps doggedly resisted contributing troops to it.

For those 20 years, a parade of commandants insisted that there was no need for such an affiliation, asserting that all Marines by definition were capable of special operations. The Marine leadership also maintained that the Corps, because of its small size, could not afford to detach any troops to another outfit. The leadership further feared that prized Marine units such as Force Recon would be prime targets for cherry picking if SOCom were licensed to do so.

Behind the Corps' about-face was a growing need to beef up and replenish special operations forces in the midst of draining wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the continuing terrorist threat, along with a strong push for the Marines to get with the program from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. After a year and a half of negotiations, a meeting on 28 October 2005 among Secretary Rumsfeld, General Hagee, and the SOCom combatant commander, Army General Bryan D. (Doug) Brown, closed the deal.

While General Hejlik believes that senior leaders across the services think the move "is a good thing, good for the country, and good for prosecuting the Global War on Terrorism," it has drawn opposition, both internally and externally. "With continued education," he said, "this will be a win-win for all."

"One of the things that really makes me nervous," General Hejlik said, "is the word 'special.' All Marines are special, all Marines are equal, and all Marines are riflemen." He intends to address this concern, because he doesn't want any Marine being treated differently from a special forces Marine.

He also said he does not expect residual hostility to the move to adversely affect recruiting for his special ops unit. On the contrary, he said, the new command already has an abundance of volunteers.

"The thing we have to be careful with," he stressed, "is that they're Marines, first and foremost." Marines who volunteer must come out of operating forces and will undergo a rigid assessment and selection process. Selectees will train to a standard similar to Army Ranger training. "What exact standard that is has not been fully determined," General Hejlik conceded.

The new command will consist of a Marine special operations regiment of two special forces battalions. A total of nine Marine special operations companies (four on the east coast and five on the west coast) will form the combat core of the command, and each will be from 85 to 110 strong. The force will be split, 75% to 25%, between command, regimental, and battalion headquarters at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, and a battalion headquarters at Camp Pendleton, California.

To complement the special operations companies, two other principal components will be a support unit of radio, communications, and intelligence specialists, and a foreign military training unit, both based at Camp Lejeune.

The foreign training unit will consist of 430 Marines who will train military forces from around the world that lack such training, such as those from some of the poorer central African nations.

Special operations groups will deploy with Marine expeditionary units (MEUs) that already have troops capable of special operations on board amphibious ships. As special operations companies are organized within these groups, the existing Maritime Special Purpose Force—a unit capable of conventional or selected maritime special missions—will be phased out.

Special operations companies will be separable but not separate from expeditionary units, while specific command-and-control relationships are being worked out.

"Right now, it's kind of the best of both worlds," General Hejlik said. "We work with the MEU, but we belong to SOCom as a component. That will fill part of the capability gap. Special operations have suffered a little bit, because the Global War on Terrorism has worn them a little thin."

For those concerned about what all this bodes for the future of Force Reconnaissance, the Marines' elite deep-penetration units and the Corps' answer to special ops in the past, General Hejlik assured that it "will be alive and well. The core of the company will be a Force Recon platoon, which will retain all of its specialized skills, such as deep reconnaissance, advanced communications, precision shooting, and specialized insertion and extraction capabilities."

The general expects his new command to work regularly with Army Rangers and Green Berets. But Marines will be treated as Marines, he said, right down to their gear and weaponry.

"If I'm an 03-21 reconnaissance Marine, I will come with my helmet, my flak jacket, my rucksack, and my warfighting gear. My weapon could be an M-4, M-16A-4, or 9-mm, but if the mission requires special equipment, SOCom will supply it. Hands down, SOCom has the most efficient and proficient acquisition process in the Department of Defense."

Marines have been working with the Special Operations Command since the 1980s, "so this is not a new thing," General Hejlik said.

"In my own experience, the special operations in Najaf and Fallujah were well organized and very interoperable," he emphasized. "The Global War on Terrorism has forced everyone to take a fresh look at the way they fight irregular warfare, which has no rules. This is why special forces have become such sought-after commodities."

General Hejlik said his new command originally was going to be part of a reconnaissance unit that would complement the Special Operations Command. "That's where Det. One [Marine Special Operations Detachment One, set up as proof of the concept that Marines were suited for special operations] came from," he said. But he thinks this new arrangement will be much more effective.

Negotiations prior to the establishment of the Marine Special Operations Command in October were characterized in some press reports as difficult and long. General Hejlik agreed that they were long and acknowledged one major difficulty:

"The difficult part was the cultural aspect. There are always going to be soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, and Coast Guardsmen who want things to stay the way they are. They say, 'Let's not change for change's sake.' But this is not the case; change here is necessary. We want to get the Marine Corps fully involved in the.war on terrorism. We want to complement SOCom and fill in some of the gaps. This is the right thing to do. I'm an optimist at heart and by trade, and I think this will work."

General Hejlik learned two major lessons from his most recent service in Iraq. He found that a special operations force borders on the unique, "small in size but packing a great big punch. What such a force brings to the battlefield is much more than just trigger pullers," he said. Lesson two was that today's conventional soldiers or Marines are better trained, better led, and better equipped than any he has seen.

"When you combine conventional war fighters with a Marine special operations team, the culture and the war-fighting ethos are the same, and you've got a force that's unbeatable."

Mr. Schultz is Senior Editor of Proceedings.

Aequitas
8 January 2006, 02:54
Gen Hejlik is probably the best man for this job. He is an amazing leader who will do great things for the Marines, the US, and SOCOM. I have the upmost respect for Gen Hejlik and his new contingent of volunteers. This man is more than capable of creating one of the most lethal forces around. Good luck to him and his Marines. I spoke with him the other day and he is so proud and very excited to be in this position. Welcome MARSOC.

SOTB
8 January 2006, 05:51
Gen Hejlik is probably the best man for this job....I spoke with him the other day and he is so proud and very excited to be in this position.A newspaper article and a brief handshake are not enough for me to state that this man will do the Corps and the US people proud in this assignment.

No, I think I will wait a bit to see how this whole "all Marines are equal" philosophy pans out....

RAT
8 January 2006, 09:55
No, I think I will wait a bit to see how this whole "all Marines are equal" philosophy pans out....

I agree on the philosophy. My buddy Jimmy Stare was told to take his blog down when he transfered to PAO. They did not like that fact that he had written that he was in a pouge unit. Even though he was loving the new pouge unit.

There will be problems from other Marines.

RAT OUT!!!

EasyRunGent's
8 January 2006, 10:16
Jimmy Stare.....Okinawaville...NICE...."livin on hamslice, thinkin it taste nice.." Yeah love Stare...!!!! John you gotta send me a couple of CD's...after years of draggin them around the globe, mine are so scratched they dont play....I agree on the philosophy. My buddy Jimmy Stare was told to take his blog down when he transfered to PAO. They did not like that fact that he had written that he was in a pouge unit. Even though he was loving the new pouge unit.

There will be problems from other Marines.

RAT OUT!!!

Xdeth
8 January 2006, 10:27
LOL, what's changed except the funding one wonders.

Petey
8 January 2006, 11:41
I was wondering why the JimmyStare.com hadn't been updated. I just tried it and its not loading. Too bad alot of fun to read his storys.

Massgrunt
8 January 2006, 15:25
As special operations companies are organized within these groups, the existing Maritime Special Purpose Force—a unit capable of conventional or selected maritime special missions—will be phased out.

Say it ain't so.

RickyRecon
8 January 2006, 20:59
My claim to fame... I'm in a Jimmy Stare video!!! I didnt know he went to PAO, but that suits him, even though I thought he was a damn good instructor at BRC.

ECHO6GOLF
8 January 2006, 22:15
Stare played for us in 97 on New Years Eve in Genoa Italy. I believe a bunch of us had duty that day and couldnt leave the pier, so they had some tents up and we all got smashed on free beer.
Oh yeah and we have Love Sock in the office.
G

RAT
9 January 2006, 05:11
Looks like I created a monster when I promoted him. HHAHAHAHAH

He is doing well gents. Lovin the new job. 13yrs being deployed will take it out of any one.

Easy,

E-mail out to Jimmy to get a new cd for you.

RAT OUT!!!

Silverbullet
9 January 2006, 06:31
LOL, what's changed except the funding one wonders.

Since they aren't taking any unit as a whole, the Recon community will get diluted and go through a prolonged period where they are short of qualified dudes, etc..

Read_MOre_Post_Less
13 January 2006, 20:05
Any word on how to volunteer?

Attila175
13 January 2006, 20:48
Is Jimmy Stare the Marine who also had short film about him trying to make it as a musician? If so, I had a buddy that was in it, even if only for a second. I guess they were both BRC instructors when the film was made.

RickyRecon
13 January 2006, 22:04
Yes, it is aptly titled "Third Phase"

Attila175
13 January 2006, 22:41
Yes, it is aptly titled "Third Phase"

That's the one I saw on Atom films.

Ricky-PM inbound

EasyRunGent's
14 January 2006, 00:08
Awesome Bro,
Thanks J.Looks like I created a monster when I promoted him. HHAHAHAHAH

He is doing well gents. Lovin the new job. 13yrs being deployed will take it out of any one.

Easy,

E-mail out to Jimmy to get a new cd for you.

RAT OUT!!!

freds4
14 January 2006, 06:16
Edit for content.

RAT OUT!!!

lawdog
16 January 2006, 23:06
"One of the things that really makes me nervous," General Hejlik said, "is the word 'special.' All Marines are special, all Marines are equal, and all Marines are riflemen." He intends to address this concern, because he doesn't want any Marine being treated differently from a special forces Marine.

This could be a sign of disaster? An unflexible Commander that can't think outside the box breed Marines that can't think ouside the box! All this is looking like is a Grunt unit/ Ranger Batt with a different name. Not what SOCOM needs or wants. Actually I think that is HQMC's plan. Make it uncomfortable for SOCOM so they will leave the USMC alone. HQ USMC needs to get over the "Special" thing already. There is a reason for the huge attrition rate when you go from the Grunts or any other MOS to Recon or STA. Only the best suited make it, thats what makes it special!

The General expects his new command to work regularly with Army Rangers and Green Berets. But Marines will be treated as Marines, he said, right down to their gear and weaponry.

So I guess they will bring their 782 gear and a KBAR :mad:. This General may have worked in SOCOM command, but that doesn't mean he knows jack about working with operators. Time will tell, but it doesn't look good so far. I mean leave the high-n-stupid, bootband wearing crap behind. There is no place for reindeer games in SOCOM. It should be all about professional work ethic and killing Jihadists; nothing more, nothing less. Just my opinion.

"When you combine conventional war fighters with a Marine special operations team, the culture and the war-fighting ethos are the same, and you've got a force that's unbeatable."

I'll go along with this. I just think that all of the Recon community should be moved over to SOCOM control along with possibly ANGLICO and Radio Recon. Then for each float they can be chopped to the MEU from SOCOM, or for that matter STA can be expanded and take over the R&S duties for the MEU. I still think Col. Coates should be further promoted and put in command of MARSOC. But those of you who served under him would know better than I if he would be suitable or not.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Grunts and what they do best. Kick ass and take names, shoot everything in sight, and blow stuff up. I Just think the Grunts should be in a supporting role in MARSOC (QRF's, amphib raids, helo assault, perimeter security) much like the role of the Rangers. Which is exactly the opposite of the way things are in the USMC (the Grunts are the supported troops). In the end my opinion means nothing, I just hate to see the opportunity of my lifetime go down the drain for the Corps. Hopefully it turns out better than this article makes it sound.

lawdog
17 January 2006, 02:47
What the hell is Stare doing in a PAO unit?! I was at BRC with him in '01. Rat, when you talk to him next ask him about the girl(?) that used to call the school house and tell us her fantasies. She'd try to get one of us to meet her in various off the wall locations. GySgt H conducted an R&S on her(it) to see what she was about, he never would say what he/she/it looked like though. Maybe Jimmy knows??

ThaeMCee2
17 January 2006, 03:22
anyone else hear about the unit wearing a patch!? marines wearing patches, that'll end up another reason for the marine corps to be disgruntled at marines part of a "special" unit...i hope they dont turn this unit into something its not, hopefully that doesnt happen, and us reconnaissance marines continue to do our mission as well as we do...

RAT
17 January 2006, 07:55
LD,

Mess sent about it oh I mean the gal. LOL

RAT OUT!!!

lawdog
21 January 2006, 00:18
Right on, I'm interested to find out how that all went down after I left.