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Theangrysmurf

1 February 2006, 12:38

NOTE- this is a thread I started over at LF when SOCNET was getting its facelift. Since posting that original thread, I've received PMs in regards to others that were in the exact same situation at nearly the same time. Now...on with the warning.
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Hey PSD guys...

It was suggested that I write this to bring forth a situation concerning a company and an individual that everyone in our community should watch out for.

First off, this is not a debate about types of contracts and teams. I am simply providing you with info to help you protect yourself. I'm not looking for your suggestions or for your critiques based on assumptions. :D

Note-
A Double Eagle thread like this was posted on SOCNET but was removed, at my request, since at that time the info being presented was questionable. The info I present now is first hand, confirmed and extremely well documented. There is a large handful of fellow LFers that were involved in this, either as team members or in providing logistical help. Those who were not covered by the initial Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA) can jump on and provide their input if they like.

Background-
I was contacted by a company called Double Eagle (www.double-eagle-mc.com), and in specific a guy named Frederick Simon. He also goes by Manfred Simon and Fred Simon. His position within the company is "President, Corporate Development".

His contact was reference employing a PSD team in which I was the PM at the moment. I can't go into specifics due to a NDA but I will say that it looked very promising-a "done deal" so to speak with contracts awarded. We went into negotiations with him based not on speculation, but on work already secured by both Double Eagle and my team.

When the predeployment date came, when money was to be paid to get the ball rolling, it was obvious that Simon and his company had done nothing to fulfill its promises to our team to the point that it can easily be characterized as being untruthful and underhanded.

What he did do was milk us for information, SOPs and TTPs so that he could make informed contract bids on future projects, but most likely using LNs. His company is, from what I picked up from conversations with him, a three man operation that is also known as RLI, Railway Logistics International. RLI has a unsat Better Business Bureau rating BTW, check it out. http://search.bbb.org/viewreport.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spokane.bbb.or g%2Fcommonreport.html%3Fbid%3D9000274&recordid=9000274.1256&type=name

As soon as things went south, and I could confirm that he had lied, we made the choice to quickly walk away from this situation.

Now, what does this mean to you? I expect him to attempt to hire a few (maybe four)unsuspecting Expats to run his convoy missions using LNs and soft vehicles. In Jan of last year he attempted to hire former French Foriegn Legion guys for PSD and was basically laughed out of their forum. Since then he has polished up on how things work, so his approach is much more legit sounding now.. Sound like something you would be interested in? Think again.

In my research of his past dealings, I learned quite a few interesting facts about Simon, Double Eagle and their past activities in Iraq. After learning this info, then seeing it begin first hand with us, we walked. Simon then attempted to pimp contract information from an operator we were hiring for this gig who was still employed in Iraq. Shameless....

Double Eagle is BAD NEWS. Simon has no problem leading others to believe that he has the ability and resources to back up his fake promises while simply mining the industry for information.

Smurf

Iraqna- 07901577833

armorer1

1 February 2006, 12:47

I too was screwed over by this company, Double Eagle. The President, Frederick Simon offered my a very nice contract upon me getting out of the Navy. As of this writing (Feb 1, 2006) he has yet to pay me, and have been told several times "the check is in the mail". I have even been given UPS Tracking Numbers, but they are unable to track in the UPS System. He owes me a substanial sum of money, and has put my family and me in a financial bind like we have never been in before. This place is bad news. Feel free to PM me for further details.

cobraGT500

1 February 2006, 20:30

I was also screwed by DEMC. Please do fall for the BS from Frederick Simon. I left the military think I had a job. It was a lie. I was lied to for months. Please do not make the same mistakes I did. DEMC has screwed lots of people. This first post from the angry smurf was 100% correct. Please stay away from DEMC. You will regreat every dealing with Frederick Simon. I have left the military and now have no employment. Please learn from my mistakes.

cobraGT500

Theangrysmurf

1 February 2006, 20:45

I just spent the last few hours on the phone with CobraGT500, his story is legit and mirrors the BS that was handed to us.

armorer1

1 February 2006, 22:38

I have been dealing with this clown for a few months now regarding my pay. He has printed out bogus UPS labels and said "check is in the mail". I was in the Navy nearly 13 years and his promises, and an actual contract, were one of the factors I decided to get out....this cannot go without some type of action. I myself have started the process, feel free to PM me and I can provide name and info of who I talked to. Of course, I will have to verify to make sure it's not one of Frederick's goons. His false promises have affected my family in ways I cannot begin to explain. We need to stop this BS. Once again, please PM me so we can get this going.

Xdeth

1 February 2006, 22:45

Contact IPOA with this info, they also have a CCR so I'd look to see where you submit this to the Feds, through DUNS as well.

Theangrysmurf

1 February 2006, 23:25

PM enroute Armorer, lets get em.

desertfrogman

2 February 2006, 00:09

Listened to Freds Bullshit starting in May 2005. A well respected Marine and I even went so far as to recruit for this scumbag only to find out it was all crap. He will get people killed to get some money. DMC is not registered, they have not equiptment and no capital to buy any. Fred is scraping at anything to make a buck. He finds resumes and uses them to bid on contracts.

DMC is as far as i know a 3 man organization. They are not affiliated with Eagle Global who they claim to be partnered with. Eagle Global is simply doing them a favor. DMC does not sell or manufacture Battelle Armor kits nor have they ever. DMC does not have any BIAP contracts. DMC does have a wast oil contract but the one time it was conducted every one was killed. Fred likes to say it happened before he took over the contract but it doesnt matter he cant support it anyway so if he tries the next group of guys will die.

DMC has no living accomodations they use Concentric Construction who is going to or has kicked their asses out for non-payment. DMC personal are not permitted in any goverment facilities unless the AQUIRE a CAC card which DMC cannot get.

DMC is not a reputable company, stay away at all costs and spread the word.

cobraGT500

2 February 2006, 09:40

I think we need to inform everyone we can. We need to help others not get taken advagtage of. I think contacting IPOA is great idea. They need to know who their members are. Please learn from my mistakes. Do not deal with Frederick Simon and DEMC. I would like to thank the angry smurf very much for telling the truth and getting the word out.

Theangrysmurf

2 February 2006, 11:13

Thanks to Cobra, IPOA has been notified and they are investigating.....

cobraGT500

2 February 2006, 13:04

This is some more information for you. Frederick Simon even has motorcycle webpage. He is into everything to make buck. Here is the site. I have contacted IPOA. Hopefully they will see the light. Please spread the word about Frederick Simon and DEMC. Frederick and DEMC is misrepresenting thier bussiness and hurting good people.

http://www.double-eagle-mc.net/

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Theangrysmurf

2 February 2006, 16:39

If any of those effected would like to file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau, go to www.bbb.com and reference my complaint number
2140967, the proper BBB office to select is listed below.

BBB of Central Indiana
Victoria Centre 22 E. Washington St., Ste. 200
Indianapolis,IN 46204 -3584
Email: ddove@indybbb.org
URL: www.indybbb.org
Phone: (317)488-2222
Fax: (317)488-2224

yojinbukai

2 February 2006, 17:13

Is this the guy that was looking for people to travel around doing PSD for some banking business? A friend of mine got recruited by a guy I knew from the Army to work overseas. Said they'd be packing in Japan and places like that. Just that alone sent bells off in my mind.

i8547

3 February 2006, 15:47

For those who viewed this thread when it was temporarily removed, please feel free to proceed with your posts.

Jimbo

3 February 2006, 16:24

Seems one of their project managers stuck around for a whole TWO MONTHS. Pretty impressive gig for someone with a GED and 3 years military experience to give up without a good reason.

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyeVxyeNDfwwBdlFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2NmxmcG1 hBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANCMTAwX zgw/SIG=11lk4ds18/EXP=1139088113/**http%3a//www.themotp.com/resume.doc

Guy

3 February 2006, 16:32

Seems their one of their project managers stuck around for a whole TWO MONTHS. Pretty impressive gig for someone with a GED and 3 years military experience to give up without a good reason.

GOOD LORD!:(

Stay safe.

Theangrysmurf

3 February 2006, 16:37

OUCH! I bet she has a story to tell....

Silverbullet

3 February 2006, 16:50

Any representative of DEMC is more than welcome to come here and post their side of the issue.

What will not happen is this site being intimidated into censoring totally legal conversation.

For the person from DEMC who claims to be a VP:

We have made our own independent inquirey to the BBB. They rogered up that there are allegations againist DEMC. Federal LE has also stated that they are are looking for Mr Simon or whatever he's calling himself this month.

So Mr VP of DEMC you can allude to someone from any business agency keeping an eye on this site. We welcome it. Your attempt at intimidation was pathetic and maybe next time you'll actually use a corporate email account vice a personal one.

Here's an education. This part of the board is set up to help our brothers get work or prepare themselves for more rewarding work. This includes spreading the news about good and bad jobs and employers. We're not here to "Don't make the PMC industry look bad" or anything of that nature. PMC's that get a bad rep get there by their actions and their actions alone. It doesn't happen by accident.

Not only did you make a lame attempt to intimidate us, you also threw out a serving US Military Officers name and duty assignemnt as well as his e mail. You know the one in Iraq. FYI, I sent him an email and informed him of this and asked him some questions. I'm sure he'll be pleased with you acting as if he is trying to protect your company which would be an ethical violation on his part. I seriously doubt this is the case.

If you're going to try and pretend that you have legal counsel advising you, at least go to nolo.com and learn some legal speak.

I close with a direct quote from you

"We also respectfully request, the administrator to announce via a posting, that any defamatory or derogatory postings regarding competing PSC’s or individual PSD operators will not be tolerated in the future. This mail will be forwarded from DEMC HQ to XXXX,XXXX,XXX all of whom are aware of this matter, as they have all expressed their deep personal concern regarding the perception of the PSD community. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

That one paragraph shows how out of touch you are. Derogatory postings regarding competing PSC's won't be tolerated??? Deep personal concern???

Right......LOL

rgrjoe175

3 February 2006, 17:26

Wow, only idiots hire unqualified people.

JP

The Lone Gunman

3 February 2006, 17:58

or Liars!

magician

3 February 2006, 18:06

That sure was a miscalculation on his part.

Silverbullet

3 February 2006, 18:07

Sigh.

Reminds you of another business group, huh?

magician

3 February 2006, 18:10

Interesting parallel, G.

In fact...it does.

The Lone Gunman

3 February 2006, 19:41

Hey Sniper111 this gig sounds alot like our last gig...I wonder if this clown was in kahoots with those guys? Sounds like a distinct possibility. What do you think?

Silverbullet

3 February 2006, 19:54

Here's more:

This same VP from DEMC told us that the IPOA was watching and very interested in this thread and the comments made here. That is just another example of his thinly disguised threats that can't be supported. Since I'm a member of a private group the president of the IPOA runs, I've decided to send him an email to discuss this issue, also.

I don't believe anything this VP has stated and especially doubt that a professional org like IPOA would allow itself to get drawn into anything DEMC has to offer.

Out

armorer1

3 February 2006, 20:18

Well once again Mr. Simon has struck. I did get my check in the mail today...went to cash it at the bank, and guess what?? Yep, insufficient funds!!! I am beyond pissed right now.

Theangrysmurf

3 February 2006, 20:39

Damn armorer that really sucks....and happens to be illegal!!!! Contact your local PD and ask what their procedure for dealing with bad checks is. You may be able to file charges against Simon from your end, or call the PD that covers Carmel IN, and have the criminal charges filed there. Get an incident number from your local PD to give to the PD in Indiana to show that you've attemped from your end.

Ref the IPOA, let them watch....they are actually investigating the complaints against DEMC ref DEMC's membership in IPOA that was approved (and posted on their website) not too long ago. The person in contact with IPOA said for those interested to email Doub Brooks at dbrooks@ipoaonline.org You can check out their website at and log your complaints here- http://www.ipoaonline.org/contact/

Theangrysmurf

3 February 2006, 20:41

Armorer, you also have another route you can take....you can file "theft of services" charges since he hired you to perfom a duty for him, then has failed to pay you. The actual name of the crime might be different in your venue but will be classified as a fraud crime, so check it out.

ocmsrzr

3 February 2006, 21:06

Armorer1,

Here is an overview of CA's Bad check laws that lays out your options for getting your check plus penalties.

http://www.co.marin.ca.us/depts/DA/main/dist/ConsumerPages/BadCheck.cfm

armorer1

3 February 2006, 21:48

Please check your PM box OCMSRZR. Thanks.

Silverbullet

3 February 2006, 21:52

This is info I was going to post before the assclown decided to email.

While I feel for the guys who appear to have come out short on this deal and been treated badly by the company, I have some points about it.

I would use this as a cautionary tale to anyone trying to get into the business or score a decent contract. If you are in the service or on another job, don't get out or leave employment on a smile, handshake and a promise. Business is brutal and if something looks good and easy it usually isn't. If the guy recruiting you can't show you what contract you're on or can't give you names of BTDT that work for him or his company to talk to, he is usually a phoney.

Do not sign a NDA before getting a look at a contract no matter what you're told. Don't agree to keep everything secret and don't put a lot of money out of your pocket expecting to get reimbursed once you start work. These are all methods of scamming people that the less than ethical business's utilize.

This board more than any others has experienced guys who have worked the contract world. US, UK, Austraila, SA, NZ,Canada, etc... We don't lack for a worldwide POV here. Ask questions. Contrary to popular belief there are no secret contracts that only a select few know about.

I can't stress enough for anyone reading this to use the knowledge on this board before leaping into something you're sure about.

Have a lawyer, who works for you, read your contract before signing too.

armorer1

3 February 2006, 22:04

RAT

3 February 2006, 22:20

I had several people look over my so called contract and they all gave a thumbs up.. I went out and got a cell phone (sorry, I'm old school!!), and a 3 in 1 business center only to be told I would be "reimbursed" for my expenses. All complete BS!! I wonder how this guy looks at himself in the mirror every morning. I appreciate all the help from this board.

The seven that looked at it were they all Lawyers? (Not trying to beat on you. Just want to make sure it was not buddies who were on contracts.)

As for the guy looking at himself in the morn… As SB said the real world is brutal. It is about money and very few people have loyalty any more

Good luck brother.

RAT OUT!!!

armorer1

3 February 2006, 22:37

I had a military lawyer (ya, I know...my fault) look at it...as well as a few Team Guys....looked good on paper...he talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk. As I have come to find out, Karma is a bitch!!!!

RAT

3 February 2006, 22:55

A,

Good to go. I m sure they had a lawyer write a very good contractual letter. Not a problem in having a JAG read your stuff. That is what they (JAG) is for and does not cost you a cent.

I feel for you brother. If we can help please let us know.

RAT OUT!!!

armorer1

3 February 2006, 23:12

The guys on here have been great...I just want to cash the check he gave me (which at the bank closing time - 1800 my time- still was NSF) to clear so I can be done with this ass clown. This guy has affected my families finances pretty bad with his false promises of "check's in the mail", then having no money to cover the check....messing with me is one thing, but when it also affects my wife and daughters, that is something I cannot just sit here "let pass".

Doogie320

3 February 2006, 23:16

GOOD LORD!:(

Stay safe.

That is uncharacteristically polite and quiet for you Guy. LOL...

HTF she went from a truck mechanic to a tech geek....

Wow. And from there to Project Manager?

Wow.

Thank you for the link, Jimbo.

Sharky

3 February 2006, 23:50

jax

3 February 2006, 23:53

Never heard of all you people until now.

http://www.themotp.com/Resignation.doc

That should get you up to speed on my situation. Not only did it suck, but it really looks crappy on my resume...

Jackie

Theangrysmurf

4 February 2006, 00:06

Jax, welcome...and thanks for posting your resignation letter to Simon. The points that you stress in the letter were ones that he is obviously still having serious issues with. I will be PMing you with a contact number for "someone" you should have a chat with.
Regards
Smurf

Cymru

4 February 2006, 00:24

I was on the first team sent to Iraq by this company. We left with four men. Two EX-PAT from the states, myself and another Brit. We had been contracted to run convoys from Baghdad to Jordan. Mr Simon promised B6 armour. When we arrived in Baghdad there were no vehicles much less a B6 armoured vehicle. We were promised decent weapons... The customer supplied us with ten AKs. They were rusted and required serious attention before we could test fire them on the range.

Mr Simon assured me that my team wuld be kitted out with body armour and tac vests, that GPSs were on order and that new Motorola radios were on the way. All bullpoo. We were expected by the client to escort ten trucks from Baghdad to Jordan, one on my men quit (yes even back then he smelled a rat) we were down to three men. We were expected to use LNs as guns on the missions. I requested that I be allowed to recruit my own team of LNs, I was told no, the customer then married us with fifteen Iraqis I did not know from Adam.

We had been told we would have 18 convoys. We did five. We were told we would be paid, the client paid us not Mr Simon. We operated at night and tried to run low profile. We knew this was Russian roulette but to tell you the truth... we were so broke we would have continued to operate this way.

The BIAP contract? I myself approached the 166th ASG, I asked them if they had a requirement for escorts to TCN work parties. They did, I and the two other team members prepared an offer and submitted it for consideration. The potential contract would have been worth 51 million USD. Mr Simon got carried away and began to recruit against my advice. He told everyone it was for a contract at BIAP, it was not, it was for camps Victory, Slayer, Stryker and Liberty.

The army decided it was too expensive and that they would do the job themselves, by this time however Mr Simon was already selling himself as a huge security provider.

My two buddies quit and I told Mr Simon I wanted them shipped home ASAP (at thier request) He bitched about paying them a ticket, we had been in Iraq for 7 months. He told them to hitch a ride of any mil flight down to Dubai, he told them they could pick up tickets for a US bound flight once they arrived in Dubai.

After working for Mr Simon for 7 months these two men were left standed at Dubai airport. He left them there for 10 days and told me they were already home, they were broke and could not afford so much as a doughnut and he did not give a damn.

Our team was a small team, we lived through the hot season with limited life support, none of the men bitched and none moaned. Mr simon did nothing for them the whole time they were employed. The kit we finally ammassed? I myself traded to get it for over 7 months, I used my own money and bought Glocks, laptops jada jada jada.

I am in the process of writing the entire story. If any one wants the real deal on these guys mail me. I know who they are, I worked for them for one year, seven months of which I spent in Baghdad, its funny... you know what job title Mr Simon gave me? VP!

The twenty one year olf kid who is running the show now? No idea how he got her or how he kept her, what I do know is her name is not good in baggers and Mr Simons is even worse.

I am now working for a US PMC, a good one, they pay and they look after us. Anyone who has been to Iraq knows its not the nicest place in the world, sending men to Iraq is a serious move for any company, it is also a serious move for the operator. What did I learn? Research the company well before signing a contract.

jax

4 February 2006, 00:40

Excuse me? My name is not good in Baghdad? The ONLY reason for that would be having been employed by DEMC. Before that I was only employed by reputable companies with good names attached to them. I have personal recommendations from each of those companies as well.

I made a shitty choice by working for Simon; However, at least I had the good sense to get out while the going was good. I didn't spend 7 months wasting my time like you did.

Don't smear my fucking name when you clearly know nothing of the circumstances concerning my hire (which you didn't even bother to read, although it was posted).

Jackie

jax

4 February 2006, 00:42

Cymru = Chris Wharton?

You exposed yourself as a Brit or an Aussie by calling Baghdad "Baggers". Who are you?

terrible tim

4 February 2006, 00:47

I only have one question for you Jax. Are you hot?:D

Cymru

4 February 2006, 00:48

Cymru = Chris Wharton?

You exposed yourself as a Brit by calling Baghdad "Baggers". Who are you?

Yes Jax

I was the first one out there for DEMC. As you can see from Jackies letter Mr Simon screwed me over before he screwed anyone over.

jax

4 February 2006, 00:56

I only have one question for you Jax. Are you hot?:D

http://themotp.com/raiderroad/images/img100_2596.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2020/HPIM0284.jpg

That's me.

armorer1

4 February 2006, 01:04

Jax/Cymru,
You can add me to the list of people fucked over by this guy. Please PM me and I have info on how you can join my fight to bring this clown to justice. I have a $5,000 check in my wallet, but his company, or should I say, Railway Logistics, Int. does not have the funds to cover it. I spoke with him on the phone today...he should win an Academy Award for Best Actor. He "sounds" concerned over the phone, but he is all show, no go. Now, my family is feeling the affects from this turd. Jax, I e mailed you on your Gmail Account....we can't let this go on!!!

terrible tim

4 February 2006, 01:06

Flippin' sweet!:D If you ever come back to B-dad I'll have a place for you to stay.

RAT

4 February 2006, 01:07

armorer1

4 February 2006, 01:23

I know more people than just me have filed complaints to the proper authorities....Feel free to PM me and I can provide you a POC who is actively pursuing this...refer to the first page and angrysmurf and cobragt can help out as well....I spoke to this guy today as a matter of fact. Once again, false promises of "the money will be there no later than Tuesday"...this guy would lie even if the truth sounds better. He's the kinda guy that gets out of the shower to take a piss.

secman

4 February 2006, 01:33

[Thank you for your generous invitation. This is the first time for me to post any information on this forum. Actually, time is of the essence for me and I really cannot allocate much of it to sub priority issues. I am, although, happy for you, as you seem to have a lot of time available for such uninformed dribble.

Please trust in me that I am not making any attepmt to censor any legal communication. How could that be? I have never posted to this forum in the past. As earlier stated, this is my very first time. Is it normal for me to feel so intimidated?

I am the VP Op's for DEMC. It is not a claim. It is a fact, physically executed, legally binding agreement. It is the only way we do business with anybody. My name is James R. Furland; that's jim to my friends, as in my personal email address. I have no reason to conceal my identity. If you would like to have a dialog over my corporate account, just shoot me a silverbullet email and I will provide you with the address.

Prior to negotiating and accepting a contract with DEMC, I ran a rather in depth due diligence on the owner and company also. Fortunately, I am privy to sources unavailable to the general public. Most BBB reports contain many more pages of complaints or gripes from dissatisfied customers or disgruntled employees, which is why I resorted to my private sources prior to getting on board.

Should any LLEA or FLEA desire to speak with Mr. Simon, just shoot me a silverbullet as you have my address. I will be happy to arrange a meeting time for them. Mr. Simon 's schedule is rather tight, but I am sure that he will make time for his friends.

I do not lie. Your reference to business agencies are all open source Industry associations. If you do not know who the IPOA or PSCAI are, you are extraordinarily uninformed. I suggest you do a simple google search. If you really are employed by a PSC or PMC, (as previously known), you need to be aware of the PSD Associations. If you are really interested in an education, you should definitely follow my advice. Both of these sites will do much more towards preparing yourself for more rewarding work and staying in touch with the dynamic situation in the AO, especially as regards the new MOI requisites, weapons certs and cards, new MNFI bagdes, etc.

I agree with you. PSC's or PMC's, as your preferred acronym, earn their reputation via the activities of their contracted PSD teams. That is precisely why we let the four cowboys walk. No DEMC contracted personnel receive an NTP until all logistics, life support and TOE have been provided for. It does not happen by accident. Had we prematurely allowed them to leave with a big wad of cash, and said "Okay, go do what you said you could do",
they would be making postings on lack of TOE, hardened accommodations, basic life support, (they actually suggested that we provide them with the money to purchase an old soft skin just to get around in). If anybody is listening, "We don't contract cowboys looking for adventure". We only hire experienced, qualified ex-pat PSD operators. We do sub-contract static armed LN's as required by RFQ.

I have made no attempt to intimidate anybody. I have merely reported the facts. As regards the US Military Officers name; it was on the email which he sent to DEMC warning us of the unethical behavior of certain individuals on this site.

His name, rank, duty station, and email address were included in an OPSEC proprietary email sent to the administrator of this site. No public revelation of this fact has been made. He would not have sent the mail, if not for the fact that OPSEC threats, such as you were in violation of ethical behavior.

Since this is my first posting, and since you appear to be so well informed regarding proprietary information transmitted directly to the Adminstrator of this site, I can only assume that further violations of non-disclosure and OPSEC protocols have now been documented. I sincerely hope that you did send him an email so as to further document your stupidity.

I do not lie. You among others, including any co-conspirators, leaking OPSEC and prorietary materials, to be used in a conspiratorial manner to slander or defame the character of DEMC will soon have an introduction to the legal ramifications that your tirade of stupidity on a public forum will produce.

LOL? Imbeciles are known to do that all day long.

sapperstakes

4 February 2006, 02:06

It's more than one guy by the VP's own admission and further documented here.

Please provide your bona fides before posting again.

Thanks, SB

armorer1

4 February 2006, 02:13

SECMAN, I sent you this same message in your PM Box: So, Mr. VP of DEMC, please explain to me why my check for $5,000 from Frederick Simon (from Railway Logistics, Int) was not able to be cashed due to insufficient funds? Frederick has owed me this money for over a month now!!! Let's hear one of his great excuses from you too!!! Leaking OPSEC?? Are you familiar with the kind of people you are dealing with on this board? Most are active duty, retired, or former military and fully understand OPSEC. What is your military background? Frederick owes me a substantial amount of money and has used every excuse in the book as to why I have not been paid. I spoke to him on the phone today...once again "let me call my bank and juggle some things around"....I asked him to at least Western Union me $100 for the weekend....once again...nothing. He himself admitted he owed me the $5,000 dollars, but was told the money would be available by Tuesday of next week. Once again, he continues to make excuses. I just want the money he owes me, so I can be done with this clown. I know a few guys who PERSONALLY met Frederick, and said he was full of shit, and I trust those guys with my life. If you are the VP of DEMC, prove it by getting me my money!!!

Cymru

4 February 2006, 02:14

"Thats why we let the four cowboys walk"

Please get your facts right. The four cowboys are the ones who located the oil removal gig. It was the four cowboys who told DEMC OPs that the convoy configuation for Al-Assad was suicide and it was DEMC OPs who told them to do the job using only LNs and two convoy commanders.

They requested a soft skin? Well hell yes, they were slumming it in Camp Liberty, which is a rather large place to get around using FLP (Foot, Leather Protected) in the heat of an Iraqi summer.

If I remember correctly it was I who made the request for the freakin vehicle, hang on a mo... hmmmm.... did I not tell Mr Simon that my SF contacts could sell me an old long wheel base Landrover for 1000 USD? Hmmmm..... Was it not Mr Simon who asked me, nay ordered me to go and lease a vehicle, a brand new SUV for running around the camp, at 1000USD A MONTH!!!!!!!

Before you come here telling stories and writing long and eloquent lessons in English remember one thing, I was there, you were not. All you know you have been told by Mr Simon who has learned in the last few months to be one convincing SOFB.

He had men on the ground with wives back home about to lose their house through lack of money. He had men on the ground who travelled in two man teams through the badlands in soft skins because he did not care if they got killed. They slept for six weeks in a bunk house full of arabs who used the floor as a kitchen, they went through most of the summer with no air con, no internet, no money for phone cards, sub standard weapons, sub standard kit and they still tried all they could to produce the goods for him... but guess what....

Every OP needs an OP centre, every mission needs a base, for every job there is a tool. Nothing could get done simply because Mr Simon never finacially supported his team on the ground.

I spent seven months in Baghdad for this man and you think your threats scare me? Take a reality check and before you try to save the name of Mr Simon first save the lives of those who work for him by being honest enough to face the truth. The truth is he cannot support an operation in Baghdad, he never could.

I wonder, did he ever pay the logistics company the 10K he owed them? Want the world to hear that story? Or the one where his own wife asked me how I could trust someone like Frederick enough to go to Baghdad fo him. Oh you want it documented? Yup, I can do that, I saved every mail he ever sent me. Or should I tell you of the time he purchased services at FOB Blackhawk and neglected to pay for them? I got a lot more if you need it buddy.

Bring it on and lets see who stands closer to the facts. Oh by the way, you are the companies third VP in six months.

Enjoy the ride, its going to get bumpy

armorer1

4 February 2006, 02:28

Another thing...is it just me, or are these DEMC supporter's just NOW joining?? Once again supporting the claim of DEMC's 3 man operation. I personally have known desertfrogman for years and take his word as Gold....(please see his post)....you can only play fuck-fuck games for so long.....Time to pay the man!!!!

jax

4 February 2006, 03:19

Flippin' sweet!:D If you ever come back to B-dad I'll have a place for you to stay.

How about finding me a job so I can actually return to Baghdad? :p

jax

4 February 2006, 03:26

When I joined "Team DEMC" I was initially extremely wary of employees/ex-employees who were yelling and screaming about renumeration. However, having become one of those people toward the end, I'm not sure I can pass judgement on anyone, especially since I don't know particulars about each individual's case.

I am a steadfast individual by nature and by training, but unfortunately in this situation my loyalty was not warranted and even became a liability.

Silverbullet

4 February 2006, 07:58

Silverbullet

4 February 2006, 09:19

I am not the Mod of this forum. He will be here in a few hrs.

I would suggest that everyone keep to the facts and if you don't know the full story do not post what you THINK you know.

Sounds like many of you have damages from this company. I am not telling you what to do I would but talking to someone who deals with this stuff would be my 1st move.

RAT OUT!!!

To all,
Rat has given correct gouge.

Do not think just becuase the VP decided to confront socnet in a misguided attempt to influence what is posted here, that you can post conjecture or rumors.

Stick to facts and facts only.

I also suggest that if you have a complaint, to document everything, file with BBB and contact the IPOA. I know that the IPOA is very interested in this. Not for the reasons the VP seems to think, though.

This is your fight and you must be ready if you are willing to stand behind your words. Consult with counsel, ASAP. It's free and it will help you in the long run,

Sniper111

4 February 2006, 11:22

This clown sounds a lot like an individual I have been talking to for a period of two months. He is not DBA Double Eagle, but every talking point has been pretty much the same.

Needless to say I got promised the world, even started putting out feelers for recruitment and now I'm standing here with egg on my face having to tell several close friends and associates that this gig went from "done deal, ink on paper" to "sorry mates, stand down". Some of these guys left other jobs to sign on also.

On a bright note- those who have contacted me will be compensated for expenses i.e. required gear and clothing out of my own pocket- I'm not expecting anything from the "company recruiting VP". I will NOT leave my guys holding the bag on this.

Lone Gunman- definitely sounds about right in regards to our former company! Also- didn't get up with you regarding the above described deal because I thought you were still in the box and started getting real hinky before you sent a PM.

I've been screwed, blued and tattooed by a certain Jordanian company to the tune of 12,500 USD and left stranded at Queen Alia Airport- the same contract Lone Gunman helped the team out on. I had my family put into a very precarious financial situation and my wife's health has suffered as a result. LG knows the scoop on that part. Granted I wound up in the middle of a chess game between an individual and the company- shafting the line animals is not the way to deal with the situation.

While I would like very much to break out the 500,000 BTU flamethrower on these knuckleheads, I'm pretty sure I'd be in shaky legal territory. If anyone wishes to know what company it was a PM to myself or LG should work.

At this point I am chalking it up to lessons learned, and appreciate the info on DE- another company on my "Not just no but HELL NO" list.

edited for: DAYUM jax- smokin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guy

4 February 2006, 13:59

That is uncharacteristically polite and quiet for you Guy. LOL...

HTF she went from a truck mechanic to a tech geek....

Wow. And from there to Project Manager?

Wow.

Thank you for the link, Jimbo.LMMFAO!

I guess this should answer your questions.....http://themotp.com/raiderroad/images/img100_2596.jpg http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2020/HPIM0284.jpg

Now we have the modern day version of the DATING GAME!:confused:

"SOBs will be breakin thier necks to hire her NOW!"

Stay safe!

secman

4 February 2006, 16:11

jax

4 February 2006, 16:20

"SOBs will be breakin thier necks to hire her NOW!"

If only being a woman were an advantage in this field. I'm one of those few ones who actually pull their weight and like to work those 12 - 18 hour days. Too bad I'm the exception and not the rule...

Guy

4 February 2006, 17:53

If only being a woman were an advantage in this field. I'm one of those few ones who actually pull their weight and like to work those 12 - 18 hour days. Too bad I'm the exception and not the rule...May I suggest that you pursue and/or attend more training.:cool:

Your elevation into a PM postion; in a hostile/combat environment with your credentials has me FLABBERGASTED!:confused: Don't take this the wrong way...

"There are women that can do the job; there are some that even post on these forums however...I'm hard pressed to find ANYTHING that qualifies you for a PM position within ANY company over there!"

Good luck, take care and stay safe!

Sharky

4 February 2006, 18:55

May I suggest that you pursue and/or attend more training.:cool:

Your elevation into a PM postion; in a hostile/combat environment with your credentials has me FLABBERGASTED!:confused: Don't take this the wrong way...

"There are women that can do the job; there are some that even post on these forums however...I'm hard pressed to find ANYTHING that qualifies you for a PM position within ANY company over there!"

Good luck, take care and stay safe!

Gotta agree with that. Hate to hear that you got screwed by these clowns, but Guy is right. I see absolutely nothing in your resume that even mildly suggests that you are qualified to be a PM on a security gig. You seem smart enough that you should have known that and been curious why you were given the job to begin with. Red lights and bells should have been going off in your brain. Sometimes you have to know when to take a step back if stepping forward is guaranteed to get you in over your head. That's just brutal honesty. There's not much patronizing on this site but, given your background I think you can take it.

Silverbullet

4 February 2006, 19:01

Silverbullet? Moderator? Anonymity? Guys, please. I was requested by the Administrator of this site to post a response defining the disposition of DEMC to any fact related documented complaints about the company. In a gesture to meet Jeff in the middle so to speak, I did just that. Perhaps I am speaking to him now. I have no way of knowing. Due to the anonymous nature of the site, people seem prone to straying from the truth. Unlike others, I have nothing to hide, ergo, my definitive identification in my posting.

I responded to you Silverbullet, as you invited me to do just that. Thank you for that invitation, as it facilitated the specific performance requested of me by the Administrator. Any real person that has a legitimate complaint may now feel free to contact me. Thus far, one person alleging a legitimate, documented complaint has contacted me. I am addressing that issue. I invite any real person that has a legal issue with DEMC to contact me.

If you found the tone of my posting to be condescending in nature, I would ask you all; How would you feel if suddenly your character was being anonymously assaulted on a public forum?

I will not be replying to anymore public postings on this site, as regards this issue. Should anyone choose to contact me on a professional level, you know how to do so.

Nice try at playing the victim.

Next time do some research and you'll see we are all well known to each other.

For some reason you must have thought coming on here and spouting off about being senior executive and such was going to impress us. Your lack of situational awareness is laughable. Maybe you should have taken a minute and checked out the experience level of this site. You come on here talking legal crap, without even realizing that people are reading who actually know the law, know contracting and have held positions that required more responsibilty than you will ever have.

This thread would have died a natural death if you hadn't tried to get us to censor it and ban the posters. Maybe if you had done your homework, you would have known that I deleted the same thread 2 weeks ago due to lack of information. It was only after more people came forward and made allegations againist your company, that I let it run. I did not participate in the discussion and was monitoring it to make sure the posters stayed on topic.

Your first contact to us contained 4 names. You knew before this thread started that there was a problem. Maybe you should have done something then. Maybe you should consider why the others haven't contacted you? I suspect it's due to advice from their lawyers. I guess you'll find out.

You tried to use a USAF Major, IPOA and some other groups as smoke screen and give the impression that they were incensed about info here. You went as far as to purposely use terms like they were "monitoring" us, etc... News flash! A lot of mil guys read this site. Also I know for a fact that the senior level of IPOA reads this site on a daily basis. What they were seeing was a company that was accused by former employees of failure to pay, providing piss poor equipment and poor management. Of course they were curious. This was another case of you underestimating this site. You thought dropping those names would intimidate us. You never expected us to contact them to ask about your claims. You didn't even think anyone knew what the IPOA was!

You have proved yourself to be a know nothing ass who had no idea what he was doing when you contacted us and still doesn't have a clue.

desertfrogman

4 February 2006, 19:41

Read what CYRMU has to say, his story best represents DEMC. When i picked CYRMU at victory he was living in squaler. he was berthed in a trailor single wide with 19 other people. XXXXX and myself showed up to pick up the VP of Operations for DEMC (CYRMU). We showed up in our big vehicles trying to make an impression because hey it will pay big dividends in the end right.

Well to chris's favor he was very honest and upfront XXXXX and i took him out to dinner and he gave us the lowdown on old fred. HE was very honest and upfront and told us fred was up to no good. His story shows how far a guy trying to make buck will go at the expense of others. As for the new VP of ops be careful this community is small and we will remember YOU. You will see the light soon when your standing in the unemployment line saying to yoursel WHY OH WHY DID I LISTEN TO FRED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Silverbullet

4 February 2006, 19:59

deseartfrogman,

To be clear, I understand you aren't making a threat regarding physical assualt, but are merely pointing out the fact that blackballing goes both ways. Please be more clear in the future and if the post loads slow don't hit the post button more than once.

The VP may be posting out of blind loyalty, orders from the boss and he needs the job. Maybe he thought he was doing the professional thing and just went about it in a poor manner. Time will tell.

Silverbullet

5 February 2006, 10:44

Ok, after consulting with selected experts:

Chyru, you may have evidence of fraud committed againist the client, (DOD?). I suggest you take steps to safe guard it and contact a legal professional that specializes in this type of work.

If you're cheated or have not recieved compensation there is no requirement to keep it secret.

If you cannot afford a lawyer find one that will work for part of the recovered funds. If you are owed money, you should not just try and recover that, your time and the impact on your life/family all have value attached to them.

Keep up with your complaints to the BBB and LE. IPOA is also paying attention to this issue.

Keep every bit of correspondance you have from those you suspect were involved in fraud or failure to pay.

Silverbullet

5 February 2006, 12:37

I also suggest you all look at how assetts registered to other companies were used to corresponde to you or commit fraud againist you and go after those companies, also.

It's already been shown that email and phone numbers registered to another business owned by this VP were used to transmit msgs with him declaring that he was acting in his employed status as VP of DEMC. There are strong indications that most communications with FS take place over devices registered to other assets vice to DEMC.

Interesting business here:

Karaoke Showcall

Intech Media Publishing Co.

Check all laws pertaining to interstate fraud and wire fraud. You might find something that would be of help.

armorer1

5 February 2006, 12:54

I will be following Silverbullet's advice myself. Tomorrow morning I am making a phone call to the lawyer I spoke with last Monday. I know from my expierence the promises are fake. I cannot in good conscience sit around and let this go.....the clock is ticking. I can related to what Desertfrogman is saying...I am currently UNEMPLOYED because is this guy!! Hopefully not for to much longer...

Silverbullet

5 February 2006, 13:03

This may help you file legimate complaints, also.

The Special Inspectors office on Reconstruction of Iraq.

http://www.sigir.mil/

Silverbullet

5 February 2006, 13:06

BBB Investigating Spokane Based Business Video

Spokane Police and the Better Business Bureau are investigating an online business based in Spokane.

"Railway Logistics International" claims to be a source for new and remanufactured locomotive parts. But some of its business practices are now called into question.

Two of the company's customers ordered thousands of dollars in locomotive electrical panels three months ago, and still have not received them. When they flew to Spokane from Miami to visit the RLI company headquarters, they found it did not exist.

News4 tried to contact the owner of Railway Logistics International on the phone and in person. He has not responded to any of our attempts to reach him.

RAILWAY LOGISTICS INTERNATIONAL NOT DELIVERING
Date: October 29, 2004

RAILWAY LOGISTICS INTERNATIONAL

NOT DELIVERING

Two Miami, Florida exporters began doing business with a company online called Railway Logistics International: www.emddiesels.com and as months passed after having placed their orders for thousands of dollars for electrical panels, came to find that they were getting a run around from this company. Various emails had been exchanged, yet no fulfilled promises of delivery of the product.

Finally, out of sheer frustration, one of these exporters flew to Seattle and rented a car to come to Spokane to find out what was up with their order. They came to find that the company had no physical location and that the address for the “corporate” headquarters was only a mail drop.

This company supposedly offers surplus electrical panels and materials for railway usage, naval and marine usage and states on its web site that its corporate headquarters are located in Spokane, WA at 9986 N. Newport Hwy #282, Spokane, WA 99218 as well as 9986 Newport Hwy. #165, Spokane, WA 99218-0165, with other international locations in Germany, the UK and Hong Kong. The local phone number for the company is 509-487-1234 or a 24-hour voice message number at 814-253-9452. Emails listed are:

info@railogist.com

de@railogist.com

uk@railogist.com

hk@railogist.com

The owner of the company is Frederick (Manfred) Simon.

What TheLocalBBB Came to Find

The corporate address for this company is only a Mailboxes Etc. drop box and not a physical address.

The company has required clients to deposit payment into accounts in Germany as well as an account with its own local bank.

It has come to the bureau's attention that after placing orders with this company there are issues of non-delivery of the product, and inability to get a hold of the owner.

If anyone has had dealings with this company and you have unresolved issues, concerns or problems with a transaction, contact TheLocalBBB at (509) 455-4200 and file a formal complaint online at: www.thelocalbbb.com, file a formal complaint with the Federal Trade Commission by calling 877-382-4357, file a complaint with the WA State Attorney General’s Office by calling (509) 456-3123, and the FBI as well at (509) 747-5195.

armorer1

5 February 2006, 14:37

I was told the same by the agent I spoke to on the phone regarding Railway Logistics address which is on the top of the check they sent me. I think the address for DEMC in Indianapolis is also a drop box. What is this guy's deal? I find it hard to believe someone could try and make a living like that....

Sharky

5 February 2006, 14:50

It's called Interstate fraud.

Argyll 50

5 February 2006, 15:46

what a total wanker,I hope he gets thrown into jail for a long time

079E/R

5 February 2006, 16:25

Nice post Argyll, getting closer to your 100, and the prized avatar...........;)

Silverbullet

5 February 2006, 18:06

armorer1

5 February 2006, 18:12

Silverbullet,
Correct...I was employed for DEMC and the check I received had Railway Logistics, Int and the address on the check. The UPS Package the check came in was sent from Indianapolis, IN., but RLI's address on the check was Spokane, WA. I photocopied the check, and the UPS package it came in. Supposedly they are "sister companies".....

Sharky

5 February 2006, 19:37

curiouser and curiouser

Silverbullet

5 February 2006, 20:22

Looks like RLI had a contract and claimed DEMC was a sister company vice DEMC having the direct contract.

I've seen the contract number and some other stuff.

I'm working on a copy of the SOW.

Silverbullet

6 February 2006, 08:07

Open for business.

For those that think they are pulling one over on us, you may want to use different verbiage and sentence structure when pretending to be someone else. I know you think you're a genius but you're not.

Interesting how more people are coming forward offering to provide info to the people who are making claims of being cheated and having knowledge of fraud. Now that the work week has started I'm sure more info will be discovered.

yojinbukai

6 February 2006, 08:33

There was some attorney around here a few months ago fishing for info on fraud in Iraq. I wonder if he'd be interested in this one?

Silverbullet

6 February 2006, 08:44

There was some attorney around here a few months ago fishing for info on fraud in Iraq. I wonder if he'd be interested in this one?

The people involved already have counsel. I'll leave it to them to decide if they want it in the open.

Thanks

jax

6 February 2006, 09:09

Gentlemen, please keep in mind that I provided myself the upgrade from "Project Specialist" to the title of "Project Manager" with F. Simon's approval a few weeks after being hired (Having realized I was alone in Iraq as a DEMC representative), as I felt it would provide the necessary clout I needed.

I have this silly tendancy to save documents LONG after they are needed. I still have also retained use of doubleeaglemc@gmail.com, which also has stored just about every piece of useful email that ever passed between myself and another DEMC "employee" or "client".

I'm sure this is going to piss Frederick off when he finds out about it - And he might even read this very post. Hey Fred! I see you've fucked other people over too. Good job. I know I said I would like to maintain a cordial relationship, but after learning of all this, it's simply a breach of my personal ethics. Sorry.

Also, if you have missed the above post with my resignation letter, the URL again is:
http://www.themotp.com/Resignation.doc

The Corporate Guy

6 February 2006, 09:13

links not working...

jax

6 February 2006, 09:15

Fixed, my apologies. Also, the funniest thing is I spoke to Frederick about how important business ethics and professional responsability are to me before I was hired...

Silverbullet

6 February 2006, 09:19

jax

6 February 2006, 09:22

Jax,
Get onboard with the legal team the others are using. Contact smurf. Hold your ammo until you talk with them. don't tip your hand.

Down load all emails to a hard drive and/or memeory stick vice leaving them in the email inbox or archive.

I'll be contacting the attorney and other personnel when I have some time later on today. The email thing is not a problem. Gmail emails are always retrievable from the internet - Although if it becomes an issue I will be able to download in a flash. No worries.

My cell phone number is (503) 984-1484 for anyone who needs to contact me directly. If you get my voicemail leave me a message and I'll call you back ASAP. And yes, I know that I do post much personal information publicly. It is done purposefully.

---

P.S. Regarding my earlier post that now seems incomplete to the uninitiated, I posted relevant DEMC documents that were removed by Silverbullet.

Silverbullet

6 February 2006, 09:26

Doogie320

6 February 2006, 09:27

Jax,Down load all emails to a hard drive and/or memeory stick vice leaving them in the email inbox or archive.

Even better, encrypt them and dump to a CD with an extra copy or two to keep in a place or with a person you trust. Hard drives break, memory sticks get lost if you aren't careful. I would encourage that for anyone with files they can't do without. Plus a CD if you need to render it In-op...takes 3-5 seconds in a microwave.

jax

6 February 2006, 10:15

Jax,
I think you've proven your knowledge and bona fides enough. No one is questioning why you post so much info. I'm just suggesting you talk with the lawyer before posting too much that may help the alledged fraudsters make a defense.

What you post may effect the others case. It's better to team together and present a united front.

Silverbullet, with the comment on posting personal information, I didn't intend to show that I held a lot of knowledge, blah blah. I was only speaking in regards to unedited documents, phone number, etc - I have been PM'd about that before.

Theangrysmurf

6 February 2006, 10:33

I spoke to Frederick about how important business ethics and professional responsability are to me before I was hired...

That's his mode of operation...preach one thing, do the opposite. Then when he's called on it, he quickly falls back on his earlier preaching to try to reassure you. He is a good bluffer.... Cymru's comment, ref what FS's wife said to him, sums it up quite well.

JAX- I'll get ahold of you today.

jax

6 February 2006, 10:34

Anyone who wants to give me a call to issues regarding this matter: Feel free to do so.

Geronimo 33

6 February 2006, 11:04

Had a chat with yer friendly FBI guy lately....mention things like Fraud, Wire Fraud, RICO.....then chat with the Postal Inspectors....Mail Fraud and related issues.

Even the IRS fellas can be of help....of course he is bound to be correctly reporting his income...right?

Theangrysmurf

6 February 2006, 11:20

Thanks Geronimo, those issues are currently being addressed. :)

I had a nice conversation with Jax, things were explained (in both directions) and she's on board with the master plan.

armorer1

6 February 2006, 11:53

I deposited the $5,000 check on Saturday. My bank said there would be a hold on the check due to the amount. Funny how I was contracted by DEMC out of Indiana, but the check was from RLI out of Spokane, WA!! Frederick to spoke to me about "how he has to sleep at night" and how "upset" he is about my situation...all BS!! He talks a good game, he should get an Academy Award.

landshark

6 February 2006, 12:09

Armorer1,

I feel for you bro a very similar thing happened to me last year at this exact time.

Which is the reason i had to take the job here in Iraq, to get my self and my family back on my feet.

I ran out of heating oil in January in New England because my company didn't pay me for two months in a row (Dec and Jan). I had to borrow money from my father, at 30 y/o it is a tough thing to swallow. Anyway it is a long story story...

Ironically the owner of that company I worked for, his first name was Simon.

Anyway not much help but I am rooting for you guys. Good luck.

As a side note if there are any Royal Marines or SBS guy's here or anyone for that matter PM me about my "friend" Simon.

Raven #821

6 February 2006, 14:19

I started to post a while ago, then thought better of it. But now after the numerous people it seems have had their lives affected by this person - I will soon be back in the Pacific Northwest, and have several friends in Spokane as well. I know of a couple of people who get around and find the most interesting info out, and see if we can't pass it on to the Fed's and/or anyone else who would like to ask "Simon" or whatever this guys name is a question in person.

armorer1

6 February 2006, 14:37

He's not in the NW....RLI is "supposedly" there, but the address is a Mail Box, Ect. address. Simon is in Indianapolis....and that address is a drop box too I think.....

Silverbullet

6 February 2006, 15:11

To all,
Stay on topic or this thread will get locked for good.

That is not a request and the last warning.

Theangrysmurf

6 February 2006, 16:05

Let me echo SB in asking everyone to keep this thread as "clean" as possible and limit it to the reporting of your dealings with DEMC and the damage its caused us and our industry.

On different note, we found another front company for FS.

World Wide Imports
(509) 487-1234
105 E Wedgewood Ave
Spokane, WA 99208

norts

6 February 2006, 17:18

The email thing is not a problem. Gmail emails are always retrievable from the internet - Although if it becomes an issue I will be able to download in a flash. No worries.

At the risk of repeating the good advice given by Silverbullet and Doogie, download all the relevant emails and save them now. A good enough lawyer can get google to shut down your account and delete every single email you had saved. Even if you respond with a court order to reopen the account, your documents will still be gone forever.

GackMan

6 February 2006, 17:41

At the risk of repeating the good advice given by Silverbullet and Doogie, download all the relevant emails and save them now. A good enough lawyer can get google to shut down your account and delete every single email you had saved. Even if you respond with a court order to reopen the account, your documents will still be gone forever.

Or make the contents of your entire gmail account discoverable and drag them into court...

OR guess the password for the doubleeaglemc@gmail.com account and delete everything...

OR... you get the idea.

Yeah, store that stuff on some other form of media. Preferably several of them.

I'd say use MS Outlook to access your gmail and pull copies of the account down into a .PST file and encrypt it and burn it to a CD or 3. It puts it into a nice standard format so you can re-import it into any computer w/ outlook installed.

I'm near PDX, I can help with that if you need it.

Ryno

6 February 2006, 20:19

I have been contacted reference this matter due to my experience with the issues discussed on this thread. I understand all too well the frustrations felt by those who have expressed concern over this issue. I am only familiar with two of the individuals who have commented on this issue and I can assure you that D-Frogman's statements were correct about the situation in Iraq. I feel that his comments were sparing in regard to the situation for he is famous for "The Talk" when he feels the situation warrants. Be that as it may, My advice to those directly affected are as follows. You were able to vent and also provide valuable information to those in the community, now do your homework and follow through. Do not let your anger cloud your ability to have a positive disposition. I wish you all well in your endeavor.

jax

6 February 2006, 22:10

I'm near PDX, I can help with that if you need it.

Thank you very much for the offer. I'm one of those nerdy computer types though - I got it. :p

Theangrysmurf

7 February 2006, 14:25

From my research so far, it appears that DEMC failed to secure Defense Base Act insurance coverage for both its US and Foreign employees who worked in Iraq. Each of you that worked in Iraq for DEMC needs to research this for yourselves to see if it is applicable. Considering that each of your insurance premiums would have been around $1000 a month, I doubt that DBA was secured for you...but you need to confirm that and you should have been provided a printed notice on Form LS-241. For those that don't know what DBA is, check out this link;

http://www.dol.gov/esa/owcp/dlhwc/dba.htm

The penalty for NOT getting DBA for employees in Iraq

an employer who fails to secure the payment of compensation when required shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or by imprisonment for not more than one year, or both. If the employer is a corporation, the president, secretary, and treasurer shall also be severally liable for such fine and imprisonment. These three corporate officers shall also be personally liable, jointly and severally with the corporation, for any compensation or other benefit payable under the Act with respect to the injury or death of any of its employees

To find out if you were covered, look in your DEMC paperwork for the following information that DEMC was required to provide you;

The DBA incorporates the LHWCA's provision that every employer who has secured compensation under the Act must keep posted in a conspicuous place in and about its place of business typewritten or printed notice on Forms LS-241 (Notice to Employees) or LS-242 (Notice to Employees for Self-Insured Employers). Such notice must also contain the name and address of the employer representative to whom notice of injury is given, and the carrier, if any, with whom the employer has secured payment of compensation and the date of the expiration of the policy.

Could DEMC have secured a waiver of some kind so that DBA would not be required? Not if you are a US Citizen and if not, a waiver must have been requested

It is Department of Labor policy that waivers do not apply to citizens or legal residents of the U.S. or to employees hired in the U.S. In addition, once granted, the waiver is only valid if alternative workers' compensation benefits are provided to the waived employees pursuant to applicable local law. If there are no local workers' compensation laws, the waiver has no effect and local and foreign nationals working under a U.S. contract are covered under the DBA.

Even more info for the non-US types;

Must an employer acquire DBA coverage for foreign nationals?

Yes. Benefits under the DBA are payable regardless of nationality. Therefore, employers should secure insurance coverage for all of their employees working outside the United States under a U.S. government contract, including U.S. citizens and residents, host country nationals (local hires), and third country nationals (hired from another country to perform work in the host country).

To file a complaint if this benefit was not provided to you, contact;

Defense Base Act claims should be filed in the Longshore District Office responsible for the geographic area where the injury or death occurred. The geographic boundaries of the District Offices can be viewed at http://www.dol.gov/esa/owcp/dlhwc/dbajurisdictions.htm.

For example, a claim arising out of injuries sustained in Iraq and Afghanistan should be filed with the New York Longshore District Office, Post Office Box 249, 201 Varick Street, Room 740, New York, NY 10014, telephone (646)264-3010, fax (646) 264-3002. A claim for an injury or death which occurred in Europe, Africa, or Central and South America should also be filed in New York. OR CALL 1-866-4-USA-DOL

armorer1

7 February 2006, 14:28

I wonder what thier excuse will be for this one!!!

Theangrysmurf

7 February 2006, 14:34

There is NO excuse only a verdict! If someone was injured or killed over there, they would have been screwed...doubly

armorer1

7 February 2006, 16:05

Oh... and thank God I never went overseas for them!!!

jax

7 February 2006, 17:34

I doubt my mother would have been comforted with the idea of DBA when I was out there with no body armor or weapon. Actually, she wanted to visit Carmel and take care of Frederick herself at the time.

(I come from good stock)

cobraGT500

8 February 2006, 15:25

The Angry Smurf did a great job getting the information about DBA. This is a good lession for all of us. We need to protect ourselves. We need to know the law and read the fine print in the contracts. Thank God there are forums like SOCNET that people can find information and you don't have to be a lawyer to figure it out. Thanks to everyone for posting the truth and shining the light on the rats.

armorer1

8 February 2006, 15:40

I agree...I also contacted the Postmaster Inspector General's office with my details..thanks to a PM Tip in my inbox. Thanks to everyone for the help.

RAT

8 February 2006, 18:22

You must have damages. So make sure you have some type of damages, i.e. No pay, some type of financial bind, medical payments ECT. Just being disgruntled because a company screwed you over does not mean you will win. Be careful not to fall in the trap of a frivolous lawsuit because you were disgruntled.

Stay with the facts.

RAT OUT!!!

armorer1

8 February 2006, 18:40

Yep...all of the above for me!!!

armorer1

18 February 2006, 14:09

Well it seems Frederick has struck yet again. I received a check by mail a few weeks ago and went to the bank the check was wrote one and of course was told there was insufficient funds to cash the check! I deposited into my bank, and 5 days later the check cleared!! I thought that would be it, so I began paying off the back bills...good ol' Frederick put a "stop payment" on the check, saying him and I agreed to an EFT (all BS!!!). Once again, he is back to his regular excuses as to why I haven't gotten the money. My bank said they are going to mail the check back to me. If anyone in the Indianapolis area knows a good lawyer, please PM me. Thanks.

armorer1

18 February 2006, 16:37

Hey guys...thought you might be interested in what Frederick had to say regarding this thread. (My name was omitted):

XXXX – I am not going to be strong-armed by you or anyone else.

I have provided our corporate attorney with the entire file including all the posts on open forums.

I am prepared to post very compromising and verifiable information on ALL who have posted negatively about DEMC, RLI and me.

Therefore, I suggest that you immediately remove all your posts pending the EFT completion.

If you do not, then we will leave this up to the courts to decide which will include extreme monetary damages. In addition, the lawsuits being filed against those who posted flat out lies and claims about DEMC, RLI and our staff are in progress now.

You all may think that I am allowing this to happen without recourse – sorry, you all have another thing coming. This matter now involves various attorneys from numerous states and will result in a massive public exposition.

Remove the posts and all will be well between us with the completion of our EFT, if not, we will post our side of the story and we will let the courts decide.

I await your soonest confirmation either way.

Carry on --- FMS / DEMC / US HQ

Silverbullet

18 February 2006, 16:48

Hey FS,

I know you're reading this.

Quite making threats in an attempt to get the posts pulled from this thread. I guess LE is lying too when they make statements about you and any business that you have been involved in. All offical documents are phoney, too. What world do you live in? You're as dumb as your lacky you sent here in the beginning to try and strong arm people.

Just so you know, there has been a copy made of this thread in case anyone decides to try and mess with the content presently posted.

I suspect you're feeling some pressure from agency's you have to do business with. Instead of acting in a honorable manner and fixing the problem you revert to form and make threats.

You're not the only one with access to lawyers.

Have a great day!

armorer1

18 February 2006, 17:16

Now FS is trying to bride me for money he already owes me, from FS:

What does this email have to do with anything? No contract was signed.

I stand by my previous email.

Do you want the EFT or not?

Carry on --- FMS / DEMC / US HQ

Silverbullet

18 February 2006, 17:30

This gets even better.

First he sends you a check acknowledging he owes you the money. Now he doesn't owe you ther money, due to "no contractwas signed"....His VP has acknowledged that DEMC owes the money in e mails to both you and people associated with this site. There is very strong evidence againist him, use it and quit wasting time.

Is the same "no contract was signed" the contract that he is trying to hold over people in regards to legal action and NDA's? Of course it is.

Get a lawyer, now, and quit messing around with him. His past actions have indicated he has no intergrity and the law matters little to him.

armorer1

19 February 2006, 16:27

Hey guys, check out DEMC's website (http://www.double-eagle-mc.com/security.htm) under Team DEMC where it says: Team DEMC
Our team is comprised of specialists from various military disciplines such as Seal's, SAS, GSG-9, USAF, Rangers, French Foreign Legion with experience ranging from operations, intelligence, equipment, logistics and tactical backgrounds. This provides absolute command of every security program that DEMC engages in.

I know there are people with those various backgrounds on here, and hopefully we can bring more heat on this clown.

Dog Off Leash

23 February 2006, 18:17

I'll get the info out regarding this company on the websites I visit. This is some major BS.

I see he's got dog teams on his website. K-9 is a relatively small world. I'll see if I can't get this notice out in the .mil K-9 circles as well.

Good luck guys & gals! Keep us updated.

Stay safe all
Phil

armorer1

23 February 2006, 21:38

I have tried e mailing/calling FS for several days now..with no response. His last e mail to me was on Feb 18 stating:

What does this email have to do with anything? No contract was signed.

I stand by my previous email.

Do you want the EFT or not?

Carry on --- FMS / DEMC / US HQ

He told me I was the only ex military person he had hired...BS. Now he wants me to remove all my posts here on SOCNET and he will send me the money he has owed me since December via EFT....once again, all BS!! FS when you read this, trust me, I WILL NOT REST UNTIL YOU ARE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!!! I want everyone to get the word about this loser.

Silverbullet

23 February 2006, 21:44

I'm not going to say it again.

I know you're mad, but you need to stop wasting your time trying to contact him and get a lawyer. We know what your situation is so there is no need to keep positng the same stuff. Calling him or trying to contact him is just playing into his hands.

I'll lock this thread if there are any more posts that state something that was stated numerous times before.

Argyll 50

24 February 2006, 06:38

Have you looked at the vacancies.......what a lying shit

EHC Group

5 March 2006, 04:38

EHC Group had been approached by DEMC for the contract in the BIAP. They asked us for former French Foreign Legionaries (around 50 pax). We enter in negociations with them and send them a proposal with CVs. We never received any answer. All our phone calls stay without any reply. Frederic Simon told us he was a himself a former French Foreign Legionary, that's the why he wished to have only former legionaries. So we know today that DEMC is not a company in which you can trust. But everybody doesn't share the point of views expressed on this Forum: today DEMC is an official member of IPOA (maybe for it is only a question of money for IPOA!!) even if IPOA knows the bad reputation of DEMC.

Argyll 50

6 March 2006, 12:00

The latest from DEMC is that the "4 cowboys "as he called them were sacked for ripping DEMC off........Cymru email inbound,smurf same to you!

armorer1

11 March 2006, 04:19

Well, here is the latest from Jim Furland, the so called VP of DEMC, copied and pasted from my e mail:

FMS

I don’t know WTF this is about either.. But I will not be baited into any conversation with him! All he needs to know is, if he is still posting shit about us, he is only providing more ammo for our legal council. We have been advised not to have further comms at all regarding this matter. Certainly not on any forums.

JRF

I told Frederick that if he sent me $3,000 via Western Union, I would remove my posts on here, and upon me removing my posts he would send me the remaining $2,000. Once again, he proves what a lying sack he is. My contract with DEMC says I am to be paid $7,000 a month staring Jan 1, 2006 (but have an e mail stating DEMC would pay me $5,000 for the month of Dec 2005). I have yet to see any monetary compensation. According to Indiana state law (where DEMC HQ is located), upon termination, employees are to be paid on the next scheduled payday (which would be the 7th). It is currently March 11, and I have not seen any pay from DEMC. So, Frederick, or Jim, which ever one of you clowns are reading this, don't think I sitting here in with my thumb up my ass....I have been talking to quite a few Federal Agencies...and they are interested in your goat fuck. Trust me, you're companies scam won't run for to much longer.