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Matchanu
2 March 2006, 10:11
O.k., I'm a "Lost" junkie.
Anyone else here?
Any theories? Let's hear them.
My Bro-in-Law (Navy pilot) thinks they are all dead.
Baildog
2 March 2006, 10:56
Yeah, I love the show. Most interesting TV show in ages.
Early on, my first theory was theat they were all dead and in purgatory awaiting their judgement. But I think that's too obvious. Not sure what my current theory would be.
I'll bet there is a government conspiracy involved somehow, though.
The local morning DJ in DC, Elliott, is a big fan of the show, and gets listeners calling in every Thursday with new theories. The hot theory this morning was that they are patients in a mental hospital.
Citizen
2 March 2006, 11:53
Concur on the dead theory. I think they're in purgatory.
Or maybe hell, depending on what is revealed.
Matchanu
2 March 2006, 12:00
There are some things that just don't add up. Not sure if it's a technical glitch or on purpose.
i.e.
The polar bears
Mr. Eck's, brother's plane from Africa.
The "others" small craft boat when it intercepted the raft, (not fit for long voyage ocean travel).
The surgical team in the flash back (last episode).
Perhaps this "island" is actually a sound stage a la "The Truman Show". I don't think they are dead, it wouldn't explain the lockers and disguse kit found in the secondary hatch. What would be the point?
What do the numbers mean? It adds up to 108 which is an important number in Chinese culture, (the darma group?)
ussfpa
2 March 2006, 12:02
Wife and daughter are HOOKED.
THe "they are all dead" theory has been dubunked by everyone from the producers to the shows writers...
There is a FULL theory board here (www.oceanicflight815.com) with all kinds of crazy stuff...folks TiVO the show and go frame by frame linking the infamous "numbers", shadows, flashback cameos etc (i.e. during the scene where Kate walks into her father's recruiting office, Saide was one of the BG's on the television). Really crazy stuff.
There is also an entire web ring made up on "Darma" and the project...secret web links with spoilers to script copies and hot key combinations to find out historical data and "clues" on the characters and their storylines.
Really involved "undercurrent society" that is well thought out and quite detailed.
I'm not a LOST junkie...but I AM a Kate junkie :D
PA
I really like the show. But I'm not into all the minute detail; I just think it's a fun show - all the human drama, inter-twining lives! :)
I was really hoping that Locke wouldn't be able to get the numbers entered in time last week just to see what happens - I bet nothing would!
Sdiver
2 March 2006, 12:11
Okay, you've piqued my curiosity.
Never seen an episode, only parts here and there. Thought that this was just a cop off of the Tom Hank's Film, that came out right before the show aired.
But now, with what you all are talking about, I may just have to check it out. But I'll be sooooooo far into the show, I'll be LOST. :eek:
Hoepoe
2 March 2006, 12:15
Hello
My name is Hoepoe and i am a lost addict :-)
My theory is that.................
Kate and Claire should hook up ;-)
Hoepoe
Baildog
2 March 2006, 12:31
It truly is interactive TV. You really have to think and pay attention ... and get together with other people the next day to discuss ... to catch all the little clues and try to grasp what might be going on.
So far, they have done a really good job of building puzzles within puzzles, without jumping the shark.
The guy who plays Jack was on the Daily Show the other night, and swore that the writers really do have a plan and a resolution in mind, so the show won't totally go off the deep end and become another Twin Peaks.
Baildog
2 March 2006, 12:34
Oh yeah, and Ana-Lucia is way hotter than Kate! :D
10thvet
2 March 2006, 12:36
My theory is that they are drugged or hypnotized to think that they crashed and this is just one large scientific/psychological experiment.
How else can you explain.
1) the island and bunker was built for it(remember the training film)
2) "the others" coming from out of nowhere
3) the computer(if you dont put the numbers in something bad will happen they just so happen to be the same numbers that are on the outside of the bunker)
4) the polar bears
5) the devlopment of the leadership(mostly Locke,cripple now can walk!!!)
I have only seen the first season plus four episodes in the second season
My other theory is that this TV show has no ryhm or reason :)
DunbarFC
2 March 2006, 13:14
I'm a big lost junkie myself
Match you should check out www.oceanic-air.com
There are some hidden messages on the site
Based on those I don't think the lostaways are dead
Remember the medical show that I think was called "St. Elsewhere?" Remember the season finale? That was certainly a surprise. Maybe the "Lost" producers will do something as surprising....
Matchanu
2 March 2006, 13:21
Remember the medical show that I think was called "St. Elsewhere?" Remember the season finale? That was certainly a surprise. Maybe the "Lost" producers will do something as surprising....
That was the gayest ending ever.
Wife and daughter are HOOKED.
THe "they are all dead" theory has been dubunked by everyone from the producers to the shows writers...
Yea I'm a junkie too...
If this has been debunked then why did Mr. Eko confess last night to "the Other" guy in the bunker and cut his beard almost like he knows he is going to hell and trying to get out.
Match...last night the guy in the hallway talking to Ethan was the same guy that had a gun to Kates head but was wearing the beard she found.
Sdiver
2 March 2006, 13:29
That was the gayest ending ever.
Yeah it was.
You know what would be funny.....
Last show, everything is wrapping up, all the questions are being answered, then.......it fades to black......you hear the sounds of someone sleeping, tossing and turning as they're dreaming, then a sound of that person waking up.....A hand reaches out a flips on a bed side light....revealing Bob Newhart....looks at Susan Plachet lying in bed next to him, and says...."Not again."....then he turns over and flips off the light.....FTB....show over. :D
DunbarFC
2 March 2006, 13:34
Yea I'm a junkie too...
If this has been debunked then why did Mr. Eko confess last night to "the Other" guy in the bunker and cut his beard almost like he knows he is going to hell and trying to get out.
Match...last night the guy in the hallway talking to Ethan was the same guy that had a gun to Kates head but was wearing the beard she found.
The bearded guy was called "Zeke" by Sawyer so that name has sort of stuck to him
As for Eko, there is a theory that the "Others" took the good people and left behind the undesirables. So it could be that Eko is trying to say that he is in his heart good, so please let them know so they will come and save me and get me out of here.
Or it was a trick to try and provoke a response out of the guy, as in I killed your friends now try and keep that straight face.
I do think he is an "Other", because he is deliberatley trying to split up the Locke/Jack co leadership
Matchanu
2 March 2006, 13:35
Yea I'm a junkie too...
If this has been debunked then why did Mr. Eko confess last night to "the Other" guy in the bunker and cut his beard almost like he knows he is going to hell and trying to get out.
Match...last night the guy in the hallway talking to Ethan was the same guy that had a gun to Kates head but was wearing the beard she found.
I thought the Mr. Eko thing was a way to terrorize the "other" hostage.
Yeh, I know about that. Why would they be in disguse, rags and beards, when they are in contact with the survivors?
DunbarFC
2 March 2006, 13:37
I thought the Mr. Eko thing was a way to terrorize the "other" hostage.
Yeh, I know about that. Why would they be in disguse, rags and beards, when they are in contact with the survivors?
Probably to terrorize them like you said. If they appear to be half wild dirty savages, that's a lot more scary than lab coat wearing scientists
Sharky
2 March 2006, 13:50
I'm lost. Matchanu is gay. This thread sucks ass.
Baildog
2 March 2006, 13:54
S. Love the Newhart reference. THAT was the best ending to a TV show EVER.
I agree that Eko was looking for forgiveness. Being the "drug dealer who found religion," he is all about repentance and salvation.
The $64,000 question is always going to be: is it somehow supernatural, or is the Dharma Initiative just some super-secret mad-scientist (Dr. Evil?) type project gone awry?
I suspect they will go for the latter, but there are a lot of coincidences tying the characters' past lives together that are hard to explain away without something supernatural.
Overland
2 March 2006, 14:13
<A HREF="http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377&sid=c816cd047d3d4955a68b95059792ce67">Best theory I've seen on Lost yet.</a>
The only thing is, you have to register for the site.
It is lengthy, but I can repost it here if you guys want.
Absolutely mindblowing.
JumpmasterK
2 March 2006, 14:25
I think it'll end with Jeff Probst in a battle to the death with Gilligan.
brewmonkey
2 March 2006, 14:25
<A HREF="http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377&sid=c816cd047d3d4955a68b95059792ce67">Best theory I've seen on Lost yet.</a>
The only thing is, you have to register for the site.
It is lengthy, but I can repost it here if you guys want.
Absolutely mindblowing.
User Name: registeringsucks
Password: suckit123
S. Love the Newhart reference. THAT was the best ending to a TV show EVER.
"I'm Larry, this is my brother Daryl, and this is my other brother Daryl." :D
Living on Oahu all I hear about is that show. One of my teachers worked as an advisor for a couple episodes too. Reading some of these posts makes me wonder if I should check it out.
Spinner
2 March 2006, 18:04
The show will be cancelled, with no resolution at all.
67 Fastback
2 March 2006, 18:08
You should read "No Exit" by Jean Paul Sartre. Yes he's French, but the story and Lost have a great deal to do with eachother.
As the famous quote goes: "Hell is other people."
On a side note I think Dante would kick Sartre's ass in a street fight.
Citizen
2 March 2006, 18:30
Remember the medical show that I think was called "St. Elsewhere?" Remember the season finale? That was certainly a surprise. Maybe the "Lost" producers will do something as surprising....
What is that TV show from the 80s that everyone was hooked on, only in the last episode to have it pan away and reveal that it had all been the fiction of a six year old's day dream?
God it's bothering me.
Anyway- if Lost does something gay like that, I predict thousands of people across the country will be throwing their TVs at the wall.
JumpmasterK
2 March 2006, 18:37
What is that TV show from the 80s that everyone was hooked on, only in the last episode to have it pan away and reveal that it had all been the fiction of a six year old's day dream?
He was an autistic child who imagined the hospital in a snow globe. I thought it was kind of a neat ending. Maybe in "Lost" they'll all be rescued by the Harlem Globetrotters.
Sdiver
2 March 2006, 18:42
Too bad Bob Denver is dead, it'd be kinda funny, if you saw Gilligan come walking out at the end. :D
Citizen
2 March 2006, 18:44
He was an autistic child who imagined the hospital in a snow globe. I thought it was kind of a neat ending. Maybe in "Lost" they'll all be rescued by the Harlem Globetrotters.
Thanks. I thought it was the same show.
(I was 6 when it went off the air, so I gotta work with what I remember from VH1's "I love the 80's".)
rgrjoe175
2 March 2006, 18:44
Thanks to Sucknet... I now watch that dumbass show 24... which I know why it is titled 24... 24 minutes of show with the rest of the hour commercials. I am not going to watch another one...
JP
JumpmasterK
2 March 2006, 18:46
Too bad Bob Denver is dead, it'd be kinda funny, if you saw Gilligan come walking out at the end. :D
But it's a magical island, isn't it? Gilligan would still be alive and well.
Sdiver
2 March 2006, 18:51
But it's a magical island, isn't it? Gilligan would still be alive and well.
Magical Island ???
Okay....Mr. Rogers then....nope, wait a sec....he's dead too.
Sharky
2 March 2006, 18:53
Okay....Mr. Rogers then....nope, wait a sec....he's dead too.
Captain Kangaroo?
Spinner
2 March 2006, 18:55
How about #6? The Prisoner.
Sdiver
2 March 2006, 18:56
Captain Kangaroo?
YEAH !!!!!!
Shit, wait a sec......
Nope....pushing up the daisies too.
JumpmasterK
2 March 2006, 18:57
How about #6? The Prisoner.
I am NOT a number. I'm a free man!
Class29wc
2 March 2006, 19:00
I got into "Lost" 1/2 way through the second season so it was necessary to rent the first season to keep from going nuts trying to figure out what was going on.
When you rent the whole set there is one DVD on how the show was made which by itself is well worth the price.
They go into length on how the script came to be and how the filmed different scenes.
Here are some tidbits.
1. Jack was originally supposed to die half way through the first season and Kate was to take over leadership, didnt happen, people liked Jack too much.
2. Kate almost didnt make it to the shoot, her work visa came through the last day, Sun the Korean chick was reading her parts.
3.There was no Hurley in the original story. He tried out and they said "we gotta have this guy".
4. Sayid the Republican Guard speaks diplomatic English when not in character.
5. That is a real L-1011 that they bought in Arizona and dismantled with a back hoe and then shipped it to Hawaii.
6. When the guy is sucked into the running engine it is just the hollow cowling and he is yanked through with a wench (not our Wench). They added the running turbine later.
7. When Sawyer shoots the polar bear is a great scene. The first time they tried it they put too much oomph into the launch and the bear flew through the air and landed at his feet.
8. In order to get a realistic charging bear they put "polar bear chaps" on a guy and he galloped through the jungle.
9.More later. Get the DVD and watch. Great!!!
RD
Spinner
2 March 2006, 19:02
I am NOT a number. I'm a free man!
I don't think they ever resolved what was going on in that show, either. I see Lost going the way of Twin Peaks. 5-10 years from now, the producers will revisit the show in the form of a movie, see if there's any milk left in that cow.
I just watch last nights show. I don't understand the lab/hospital flashbacks that Claire was having. If she was only abducted about six weeks before, why was the place they found in such awful disrepair? And why was the hatch they found not even locked when the first one they found was so fortified? Did the others what them to find it?
And while I'm at it, what do you guys think happened to the guy they found locked in the first hatch, he took off and was never heard from again?
Spinner
2 March 2006, 19:34
I just watch last nights show. I don't understand the lab/hospital flashbacks that Claire was having. If she was only abducted about six weeks before, why was the place they found in such awful disrepair? And why was the hatch they found not even locked when the first one they found was so fortified? Did the others what them to find it?
And while I'm at it, what do you guys think happened to the guy they found locked in the first hatch, he took off and was never heard from again?
You'll just have to wait for the movie to find that out!:D
Ranger5280
2 March 2006, 19:41
I'm hooked. Wife and I both can't miss an episode. I TIVO it when I travel and catch up on the weekends.
ussfpa
2 March 2006, 20:11
Yea I'm a junkie too...
If this has been debunked then why did Mr. Eko confess last night to "the Other" guy in the bunker and cut his beard almost like he knows he is going to hell and trying to get out.
Match...last night the guy in the hallway talking to Ethan was the same guy that had a gun to Kates head but was wearing the beard she found.
Dude...
Ecko is a friggin PRIEST remember? He had to confess his sins to someone...he cut the two little dingle dangle things off of his beard that represented the knuckles he killed.
Remember back to when the Losties found the taleies and Ecko didn't speak for 40 days? It was his time of reflection for his sins-but not confession.
PA
(Fake) Beard dude was also the same as boat dude that stole Walt.
PA
Nadir_E
2 March 2006, 20:36
Wife and daughter are HOOKED.
Count me among the hooked...
....TiVO the show and go frame by frame linking the infamous "numbers", shadows, flashback cameos etc (i.e. during the scene where Kate walks into her father's recruiting office, Saide was one of the BG's on the television). Really crazy stuff.
Lots like this - when the first Sun/Jin flashback is going on and she's at home meeting the woman who's going to help her escape Hurley is on the TV getting interviewed about his lottery winning. In the scene where Shannon is at the hospital learning her father died in the car accident Jack walks by the doctor talking to them (in other words, Shannon's dad was killed by Jack's future wife - the woman he performed the miracle surgery on).
Really involved "undercurrent society" that is well thought out and quite detailed.
Yeah, it's hard to believe it'll all tie together logically. As much as I'm enjoying the puzzles, I am less and less certain it's not going to be a 'gay ending' as predicted here by others.
I'm not a LOST junkie...but I AM a Kate junkie :D
+1 man! How about the bit-part ladies, too? Jack's wife, Jack's Italian patient's daughter, etc. etc. - lots of pretty scenery on the screen. :D
-N
SheJAG
2 March 2006, 21:13
Not St. Elsewhere and no one is in purgatory...so let's consider a time/space continuum where some idiots failure to babysit the computer clock allows/causes a variety of beings to begin consciously existing at the same coordinates on the continuum....maybe by unlocking/opening a portal...
JumpmasterK
2 March 2006, 21:22
Not St. Elsewhere and no one is in purgatory...so let's consider a time/space continuum where some idiots failure to babysit the computer clock allows/causes a variety of beings to begin consciously existing at the same coordinates on the continuum....maybe by unlocking/opening a portal...
Interesting. Shouldn't they have run into Captain Kirk by now?
SheJAG
2 March 2006, 21:49
Yes, and he is accompanied by Euclides, Einstein and Stephen Hawking.
Matchanu
3 March 2006, 09:34
I was reading some of the other websites.
We are rank amatures here.
They have alreay screen saved the sceen were the clock runs out and the red and black hiroglyphics come up and translated them.
It reads, "Cause Death".
I dig any show that get my brain working this much.
My wife and I watch it too - we’re hooked. Although, my better half is the one that tends to peruse web sites dedicated to the show keeping up with the various theories, which I think is funny until I remember my own SOCNET addiction.
Class29wc
3 March 2006, 14:05
http://lost-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=134
Here is the screen grab.
Originally Posted by Cocoa
Hi all,
I work in the Egyptology department at the University of Canbridge.
There's three things that I think people are missing.
Firstly, the ancient Egyptians did not speak modern English. Those of you who are expecting the glyphs to spell out a word (like "Sayid") in Western letters are going to be disappointed!
Secondly. The last two symbols are determinative glyphs. That is they convey meaning to the other glyphs.
Finally, The fouth glyph is not the vulture nor the owl as some people on this forum have mistaken it as.
The symbols in the clock are as follows (in Gardiner format):
[S29] [Z7] [T34] -- [G37] [Z6]
The first three are phonetics (s,w,nm). When said aloud together, they make a sound that is not unlike the English word "swan".
The last two (determinatives) are "small" and "death"
So we have (Swan)--(Small Death)
Read that as you want. It's clearly ambiguous and I expect the writers intended for it to be ambiguous.
My first instinct is that it pretty much means, "The Swan Station is about to self destruct". However, small and death could also equally mean disease which also would obviously fit in.
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[Default] Alternative analysis from professor of Egyptology
I asked my Egyptology professor (at UCLA, if that helps with credibility) what it said today, and she said that this message as a whole isn't in "real Egyptian" i.e., there is no Egyptian equivalent. However, the message is written in hieroglyphs. (However, her transcription differs from Cocoa's. For instance, she reads the bird as an eagle, giving the "A" sound rather than as a "descriptive" symbol.)
She said that the closest that it could possibly come to mean (in Egyptian) is something like "advisor/counsel of the enemy/death", but misspelled (i.e. the symbols somewhat wrong/wrong order). The "causative" that people are talking about a lot, apparently does not apply here because there is no verb, and is probably acting as the letter "S", making the first 3 symbols (excluding the unknown blurry one) sound like the noun advisor/counsel, and the last one indicating enemy/death. However, she said that if this were the case, they should have used another glyph for the "S" as this "S" is slightly different.
Her transcription came to be something like "S-blank-dja-A-(symbol indicating enemies/death)". Since the second A is directly after another one, it is not pronounced.
Take this for what it's worth. Cocoa had a good analysis as well, using a different transcription of the symbols.
P.S. I didn't get a chance to show her anything posted since last night. I just printed out a screencap last night and showed her after class this morning. She doesn't watch the show, and helped me analyze it because she was amused.
Matchanu
3 March 2006, 14:08
Here is the screen grab,
Yup, that's the one.
Class29wc
3 March 2006, 15:37
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=332520
Matchanu
This is a knife forum that I belong to, check out the "Lost" blades.
RD
Quote
"Incidentally, assuming we have now identified Locke's entire collection, I've tallied up all the prices, using the cheapest sources I could find. Locke's collection weighs in at $414.63!
Atlanta Cutlery Master Bowie--------------$7.95
Master ?Spyderco? Knockoff C-7701------$5.50
Master Sky Hawk YK-875S----------------$4.29
Atlanta Cutlery Jaguar-------------------$14.95
Master ?Nighthawk? HK-330B --------------$9.35
Tekna Wilderness Edge-----------------$140.00
United Cutlery Sentry Serrated Tanto-----$29.49
United Cutlery Delta Defender------------$44.95
Spyderco Harpy-------------------------$36.00
Buck Special 119BR----------------------$74.20
Ka-Bar Full-Sized USMC Serrated Edge ----$47.95
-----------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------$414.63"
I dig any show that get my brain working this much.
The you should watch “Sesame Street”.
JumpmasterK
3 March 2006, 18:05
http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=288&stc=1&d=1141408885
What's the mystery? It obviously says "whip smile feather bird stick".
Miguel
3 March 2006, 18:34
I'll be honest, I saw the Title and just hit up the last page and scrolled down as fast as I could.....
I watched the first season with a buddy in our trailer at the pace of one episode a night.... after a few beers on select nights it was easy to convince both ourselves to pushing that to two a night...
We both convinced ourselves not to go home and watch the current episodes,......
Well ain't that a Mo'Fo......
JumpmasterK
3 March 2006, 18:49
I'll be honest, I saw the Title and just hit up the last page and scrolled down as fast as I could.....
I watched the first season with a buddy in our trailer at the pace of one episode a night.... after a few beers on select nights it was easy to convince both ourselves to pushing that to two a night...
We both convinced ourselves not to go home and watch the current episodes,......
Well ain't that a Mo'Fo......
Damn, dude, that's almost as weird as a bunch of castaways lost on a magical island....
DaddyWilk
4 March 2006, 12:00
Here is a theory from EW. Like Arte Johnson's Nazi character from Laugh-In used to say... "Veeeeelly Eeeeentelesting"
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1162044_3_0_,00.html#
1. THE ISLAND: It's Alive!
Our theory of Lost begins with the question posed in the pilot by smack-addled rocker Charlie: ''Guys...where are we?'' Some have argued that the island could be a hallucination — ''A Psychological Shipwreck,'' to use the title of an 1879 short story by Lost-linked author Ambrose Bierce. Or an alien twilight zone. It's tempting to go with ''limbo'' — an elastic enough idea to corral the show's incredible coincidences and odd details, like a smoke monster and a band of child-swiping Others. But we believe the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815 aren't stuck in a mass delusion or a satanic mousetrap. They're alive on the island. A haunted island. And it was made that way by the Dharma Initiative.
2. THE DHARMA INITIATIVE: Head Games
What we know about Dharma is incomplete at best, utterly bogus at worst. According to a choppy ''orientation film'' found in the hatch, Dharma founders Gerald and Karen DeGroot established a research facility on the island in the 1970s to conduct experiments in meteorology, zoology, electromagnetism, psychology, and parapsychology — a dubious science that believes the brain houses mind-over-matter powers. (Think X-Men, Jedi Knights, and sci-fi author Robert Heinlein, whose 1941 short story Lost Legacy is about kids realizing their psychic potential under the tutelage of — COINCIDENCE ALERT! — Ambrose Bierce.) Our theory is that intentionally or not, the Dharma team pulled loose psychic powers from one of its test subjects — skip to No. 5 for the answer about who that might be — with disastrous results. How? With fear. Where? Where else, down in...
3. THE HATCH: Human Testing
The orientation film claims the hatch was originally used to study the island's ''unique'' electromagnetic energy. And indeed, there is a curious wall that seems to be humming with the stuff. But the filmstrip also states that the DeGroots were following B.F. Skinner, a psychologist famous for his Skinner boxes: controlled environments used to study animal behavior. Folks, the hatch is a human Skinner box.
Why wasn't this mentioned in the orientation film? Because the orientation film is part of the experiment! The film was fiction, designed to induce paranoia and fear and observe the test subject's reaction. What Dharma was studying was the behavior every Lost fanatic engages in: the human imperative to organize seemingly random details into some kind of order. The problem is that someone — someone we haven't seen or met yet — was put in the hatch and had a psychic break of world-altering proportions.
4. THE NUMBERS: Those Damn Yankees!
It has been Lost's most baffling conundrum: the seemingly inexplicable connection between Hurley's havoc-causing Lotto picks — 4 8 15 16 23 42 — and the hatch's computer code. This is a two-part riddle. First, the original purpose of the numbers: Skinner box experiments require test subjects to execute empty tasks, like pulling levers or, say, inputting digits into a computer. The Dharma-ites chose the sequence because...they were big Yankee fans, and each number correlates to a retired Yankee jersey. But the second question is far more important: What purpose do the numbers serve now? There are lots of out-there (and fun) ways to go with this, but the truth is that the numbers don't do anything. The ''cursed'' digits are just one more sinister detail in Dharma's elaborate sleight of hand intended to freak out test subjects. The problem was that extreme stress on the subject in the hatch combined with the electromagnetic energy down there to jar loose some suppressed psychic powers. And it jarred them loose in the wrong individual. In that explosive moment, the once meaningless digits were encoded with devilish life. Hence, Hurley's bad luck, and a virus that is rewriting reality on the island.
5. THE ANSWER TO 'LOST': The Island Is Haunted by a Powerful Psychic
The Dharma experiments resulted in the creation of a potent disembodied being. A being deeply steeped in pop culture — think about all the novels, comic books, and random flotsam that make up the DNA of Lost — and powerful enough to bring those bits of pop culture to life. Someone who imprinted his consciousness on the island. Someone whose radioactive corpse was walled up in the hatch. Someone named Aaron.
So how did the Oceanic crew end up on the island? Aaron summoned them, because he has as-yet-undetermined uses for each of them...and he needed a new body. The body of a then-unborn baby. Claire's baby. Which is why the Others (Aaron's followers) have tried to kidnap her child. And why they had to snatch poor, psychic Walt — remember that dead bird from season 1? — who was the only one with the ability to see through their plan.
Of course, the castaways could all be dead. It could be a mass hallucination. The Others could be trying to secure franchise rights to the Twilight Zone Dairy Queen. But this is our story, and we're sticking to it. At least until the start of the next episode.
CASTLE37BRAVO
4 March 2006, 22:53
Smooth. :cool:
Rascus
5 March 2006, 02:47
Huge LOST fan. Being here on Oahu I've been able to view some of the sets and meet a few of the cast members.
This is me and Michelle Rodriquez at the Season 2 LOST premeire. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/Rascus/DaveandMichelle.jpg
Rest of the photos http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rascus00/album?.dir=668f&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rascus00/my_photos
Recon by Fire
5 March 2006, 03:40
I heard rumor they will be dumping her from the show because of the drunk driving incident? Hey, she looks a little smashed in that pic too!
Rascus
5 March 2006, 13:59
I heard rumor they will be dumping her from the show because of the drunk driving incident? Hey, she looks a little smashed in that pic too!
I don't think they are going to now. Yea after that incident I went and looked back at the pic and thought the same thing. :D
Wow, Sawyer really IS evil - hot, but evil!! :D
http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43f771a3z84e192e7/668f/__sr_/d157.jpg?phwT8CEBlmbyT_7i
Cool pictures, thanks!
She and the Kate girl should have a thing....
Massgrunt
6 March 2006, 07:02
This thread has given me a great weapon over my team leader: now when he fucks with me, I can start to tell him what happens on "Lost".
It worked like a charm last night. He's blinding me with my Surefire, saying "this is fun!" and as soon as I started talking about season two he jumped out the door.
Hoepoe
6 March 2006, 07:26
This thread has given me a great weapon over my team leader: now when he fucks with me, I can start to tell him what happens on "Lost".
It worked like a charm last night. He's blinding me with my Surefire, saying "this is fun!" and as soon as I started talking about season two he jumped out the door.
Hahahaha
I am about to start a business at work, i will tell colleagues unless they pay me :-D
LOL
Hoepoe
Sdiver
15 March 2006, 23:12
Watching it now.
Why the hell did that "Dr. Doom" looking guy, attack that "Guy" looking guy ??
Watching it now.
Why the hell did that "Dr. Doom" looking guy, attack that "Guy" looking guy ??
S, shhhhhhh! :mad: pretty please? :) Some of us on the West coast haven't seen it yet! :p ;)
JumpmasterK
15 March 2006, 23:22
Watching it now.
Why the hell did that "Dr. Doom" looking guy, attack that "Guy" looking guy ??
He's gay.
Baildog
15 March 2006, 23:30
It was a repeat tonight, right?
Class29wc
15 March 2006, 23:44
S, shhhhhhh! :mad: pretty please? :) Some of us on the West coast haven't seen it yet! :p ;)
Tova
It is a re-run here in Colorado so you should be safe.
RD
Tova
It is a re-run here in Colorado so you should be safe.
RD
Roger that - thanks!:)
Matchanu
16 March 2006, 09:35
From some of the websites about "Lost", the producers are supposivly showing specific re-runs for a reason.
We still haven't figured out why Kim has the connection to the watch. What the whole deal was in the airport restroom.
The two bodies in the cave? the black and white stones?
I think these issues may play out in the next new episode.
This is all way more fucked up than the last hit series in Hawaii - Good old 'Magnum' at least had a good ending. And, the only 'code' that needed breaking was his dress (those short shorts). But hey, it was the 80's.
EOD Ghost
17 March 2006, 09:12
I keep hearing this rumor that Michelle Rodriquez is a lesbian; someone please tell me this isn't true.
If it is, f**k all, I'm never watching this show again (at least not the reruns anyway)
Matchanu
17 March 2006, 14:20
I keep hearing this rumor that Michelle Rodriquez is a lesbian; someone please tell me this isn't true.
If it is, f**k all, I'm never watching this show again (at least not the reruns anyway)
Word is they producers are trying to shitcan her from the show. I guess she's a giant pain in the ass, so they are working on killing her off somewere.
Ice H
18 March 2006, 06:57
I've watched the show since day one. Love it! http://smilies.vidahost.com/kao/otn/bloblaugh.gif
What episode is next in the US? Norway is far behind. :(
Hoepoe
18 March 2006, 10:21
I've watched the show since day one. Love it! http://smilies.vidahost.com/kao/otn/bloblaugh.gif
What episode is next in the US? Norway is far behind. :(
Hey Ice
I think they are at the episode where they all get rescued, then Jack wakes up and it was all a dream.
Only kidding!!
I love the show too
Hoepoe
Massgrunt
18 March 2006, 11:54
Hey Ice
I think they are at the episode where they all get rescued, then Jack wakes up and it was all a dream.
I told my buddy that they found out the island was alive and ate people. He was PISSED! :D
PrincessPatriot
21 March 2006, 18:39
Hey all! The last two weeks have been re-runs, right? I hope so, but then, while reading this thread, I don't remember dead bodies in a cave or black & white stones. Hmm...
~p.p.
SheJAG
25 March 2006, 14:16
At first, I thought the theme was the study of Dharma through the application of the scientific principles of the quantum physics many worlds theory.....
Then I heard the rumor that the project was the study of Scientology....
Now I just think the "scientists" were all just members of the Super Adventure Club....
JumpmasterK
25 March 2006, 15:23
Maybe the island is just where Scientologists go when they die. :eek:
Baildog
25 March 2006, 17:16
Maybe the island is just where Scientologists go when they die. :eek:
It's where Scientologists go when Jack Bauer kills them.
It's where Scientologists go when Jack Bauer kills them.
Triple cross thread points for you! :)
Dave the Impaler
5 April 2006, 15:23
New episode tonight.
sierra11b
6 April 2006, 02:16
I would like to start watching this show but am afraid i'm way too behind.
Is there a summary I can read to get caught-up? Maybe one of those cartoons that recaps an entire movie in 30seconds? :confused:
Rascus
6 April 2006, 03:14
I would like to start watching this show but am afraid i'm way too behind.
Is there a summary I can read to get caught-up? Maybe one of those cartoons that recaps an entire movie in 30seconds? :confused:
Not even possible. You have to watch every episode for everything to make sense.
I would like to start watching this show but am afraid i'm way too behind.
Is there a summary I can read to get caught-up? Maybe one of those cartoons that recaps an entire movie in 30seconds? :confused:
It would take longer than 30 secs, but here's an episode recap you can read.
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/218.html
Poor Hurley's going off the deep end. :(
dunkin
6 April 2006, 11:18
Have never seen it, and don't plan on.
Baildog
6 April 2006, 14:06
I would like to start watching this show but am afraid i'm way too behind.
Is there a summary I can read to get caught-up? Maybe one of those cartoons that recaps an entire movie in 30seconds? :confused:
Actually, they have done two (I think) "recap" episodes, one at the beginning of this season, recaping all of last season, and another one mid-season, I think, which if you could get your hands on would get you almost totally caught up.
Last night's episode was great. Although in the real world we know the writers can't make it all be in Hurley's head, the internal consistency and plausibility of Dave's explaination makes you wonder again what the numbers do mean. If it WAS going to be in someone's head, it would be Hurley's. He is the connection to the numbers.
And the Libby Twist! That was great. So many questions arise out of that last 30 seconds.
They've never done her backstory, have they?
Baildog
6 April 2006, 14:08
I also liked the way Henry said, "God doesn't know how long we've been on this Island. He can't see the Island any better than the rest of the world can."
Matchanu
10 April 2006, 09:57
Actually, they have done two (I think) "recap" episodes, one at the beginning of this season, recaping all of last season, and another one mid-season, I think, which if you could get your hands on would get you almost totally caught up.
Last night's episode was great. Although in the real world we know the writers can't make it all be in Hurley's head, the internal consistency and plausibility of Dave's explaination makes you wonder again what the numbers do mean. If it WAS going to be in someone's head, it would be Hurley's. He is the connection to the numbers.
And the Libby Twist! That was great. So many questions arise out of that last 30 seconds.
They've never done her backstory, have they?
This episode was a brain teaser, but with purpose I think.
The producers and writers read a lot of the webistes about this show. All the theories and silliness. I think this was a disclaimer to the theory that this was all in someone's head at a mental ward.
Here are my thoughts. Although it starts out as "hmmm, this could be possible", Libby dispells this with "I buried the guy at the other end of the island, so my experiece is my own" sort of a way of proclaiming one's own exstistance.
There are too many back stories on all the characters for it to be in only one persons head.
Although, did you ever see "The Manchurian Candidate"? Just something else to think about.
They still haven't done a back story on how Loch ended up in a wheelchair.
Also notice there hasn't been any smoke monsters, polar bears, or invisible noisy tree suckers in a long time.
JumpmasterK
10 April 2006, 11:18
There are too many back stories on all the characters for it to be in only one persons head.
You've never been inside MY head. It's very busy in there. :D
Matchanu
10 April 2006, 11:31
You've never been inside MY head. It's very busy in there. :D
Mostly porn and thoughts of violence in there, much like my own.
Baildog
15 April 2006, 01:38
I want crossthread points for this!
Lost (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/sawyer.php)?
Wow, I guess a DWI or DUI is a career ender for TV roles now huh. Strange with the Hollywood tolerance shown for that rehab rerun Robert Downey. :eek:
Massgrunt
3 May 2006, 23:26
I watched this episode, and had no idea what was going on. I missed the whole last season.
JumpmasterK
4 May 2006, 00:00
Mostly porn and thoughts of violence in there, much like my own.
But I was wearing my tinfoil hat. How could you know my thoughts?
I don't think the Others brainwashed Michael, I think they used his son as a tool to get him to gain Henry's release.
And since Hurley's 'girlfriend' was shot by Michael, she must be real, right?
OK, Im hooked on it..BAD. Im not even much of a TV guy. I think there is a lot more to this Darma project thing, the show seems to be focusing on a single adversary, Henry and Michael both referred to "Him".
Matchanu
4 May 2006, 09:25
I take it everyone caught the Hanso comercial?
I called the number, friggen weird.
1-877-HANSORG
This show rules!
Matchanu
4 May 2006, 09:26
I don't think the Others brainwashed Michael, I think they used his son as a tool to get him to gain Henry's release.
And since Hurley's 'girlfriend' was shot by Michael, she must be real, right?
He would do anything to get his son back, perhaps they "convinced" him it would be in his best interest.
I knew they were going to off Anna Lucile, but I had no idea they were going to off Hurley's girlfriend.
Ok I totally did not see that comming, I really thought Michael was going to doubble tap Henry.
I might have missed this in an earlier episode, but did Anna Lucilla ever tell Jack about her relationship with his father?
Or did she realize that he was Jack's father?
Does Jack know that he has an Aussie little sister?
:D I love this show!
Raise your hand if you DIDN'T meet Jack's Dad before the crash? :p
BTW, just who was that Aussie woman at the door in the rain? And what ever happened to Jack's Ex after she dumped him for some other man?
Jack's little sister may also be his step-daughter :eek:
Matchanu
4 May 2006, 13:00
Raise your hand if you DIDN'T meet Jack's Dad before the crash? :p
BTW, just who was that Aussie woman at the door in the rain? And what ever happened to Jack's Ex after she dumped him for some other man?
Jack's little sister may also be his step-daughter :eek:
And that step daughter may be one the island, (the one with the baby).
Matchanu
4 May 2006, 13:01
I might have missed this in an earlier episode, but did Anna Lucilla ever tell Jack about her relationship with his father?
Or did she realize that he was Jack's father?
Does Jack know that he has an Aussie little sister?
:D I love this show!
Probably didn't know. He never said his real name, nor did she even know he was dead.
Did you notice that she slammed the door into Sawer in AUS? His hair covered his face and he didn't look to hard at the occupants, but it was him.
Everyone is connected.
Probably didn't know. He never said his real name, nor did she even know he was dead.
Did you notice that she slammed the door into Sawer in AUS? His hair covered his face and he didn't look to hard at the occupants, but it was him.
Everyone is connected.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure she never mentioned it to Jack. Too late now. Drunk drivign will get you killed :D
And yes, I recognized the bar as soon as they pulled up in front of it as being the one where he and Sawyer met; even before Sawyer made his little cameo.
I'm starting to wonder if Jack's dad is the connection, somehow. He's met more people from the island than anyone else.
Ok what the hell happened last night. About 2055 the cable goes out, which almost never happens because our lines are underground, and finally comes back on with about ten minutes left in the show.:mad:
Ok what the hell happened last night. About 2055 the cable goes out, which almost never happens because our lines are underground, and finally comes back on with about ten minutes left in the show.:mad:
They're still Lost on an Island somewhere......:cool:
BCoRanger
11 May 2006, 09:40
They discovered a large metal object. They thought it was full of food so they banged on it...trying to get it open. All of the sudden a giant mushroom cloud. Everyones dead. They were fucking with a dud nuke. Ah well, no real loss.
They discovered a large metal object. They thought it was full of food so they banged on it...trying to get it open. All of the sudden a giant mushroom cloud. Everyones dead. They were fucking with a dud nuke. Ah well, no real loss.
Yeah, let me guess.....placed there by Jack Bauer no doubt. :rolleyes:
BCoRanger
11 May 2006, 09:54
Nah that jihadist dude on the show. He had it in the baggage compartment when the plane went down.
They're still Lost on an Island somewhere......:cool:
You guys do know I hate all of you.:p
tryxter
11 May 2006, 11:13
Watch the whole thing.
http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing
At first, I thought the theme was the study of Dharma through the application of the scientific principles of the quantum physics many worlds theory.......
Hate to admit it, but damnit she nailed it pretty well.
Now I gotta listen to her remind me about it....
Watch the whole thing.
http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing
Sh*t!!!!
I thought I was all hooked up, but only people in CONUS can watch. :(
BCoRanger
11 May 2006, 13:47
Sucks to be a frenchman!!! ouiiiiii Ex????:D
Sucks to be a frenchman!!! ouiiiiii Ex????:D
In more ways than one! :eek:
AFN is like 6 episodes behind. I gave up on the first Season and bought it in China. So now I am still behind in Season 2.
JumpmasterK
11 May 2006, 22:31
AFN sucks ass.
AFN sucks ass.
They still run 2 hrs/day of Solid Gold reruns...
JumpmasterK
11 May 2006, 23:36
They still run 2 hrs/day of Solid Gold reruns...
Never mind that Arsenio is the last rated (and ultimately cancelled) late night show. You fuckers overseas have no choice but to watch it.
That was the early 90's. Thank God for DVDs, satellite, and internet downloads.
Highspeed160th
12 May 2006, 09:39
I haven't dug into it but anyone notice the commercial for "what ever named company (Dano?)" during the breaks was for the same company that produced the tape Echo and John watched?
This is the second week I've seen it. Anyone know the tie in?
Matchanu
12 May 2006, 10:13
I haven't dug into it but anyone notice the commercial for "what ever named company (Dano?)" during the breaks was for the same company that produced the tape Echo and John watched?
This is the second week I've seen it. Anyone know the tie in?
The Hanso Corp is the funding being the Dharma Intitive. Go to the website and check it out.
I heard it is some sort of paralell game (AVR?). It all ties in with the series and provides clues to what is going on. Lost has become quite a multimedia phenomona.
To answer the question about what happened.
Ecko had a dream about his brother. In the dream his brother told him to help John (Lock) find his way to the "Question Mark". He and John find another hatch which has cameras to various other hatches. The only one that works is the one to the "Swan" hatch that they have already found. In the orientaiton film, it basically says that this is an obsevation room to other experiments and it is not important what they are doing, but rather that the subjects believe in what they are doing. Lock is pissed but Ecko says now the work (pressing the button) is more important than ever.
The other chick dies without telling anyone about being shot by Michael.
In the orientaiton film, it basically says that this is an obsevation room to other experiments and it is not important what they are doing, but rather that the subjects believe in what they are doing.
On that film the Dr gives his name which I cant remember, anyone google his name?
Matchanu
12 May 2006, 10:58
On that film the Dr gives his name which I cant remember, anyone google his name?
It's on the Hanso site.
The other chick dies without telling anyone about being shot by Michael.
Drunk driving kills.
Matchanu
12 May 2006, 11:58
Drunk driving kills.
Nah, the other chick, the one that was in the loony bin with Hurely.
Her DUI had nothing to do with her leaving the show. She was only written in for a year and was suppose to die in this episode, it just happend to corrilate with this one.
Baildog
12 May 2006, 13:05
Yeah, she's (Libby) already signed on to star in something else next season. But I have heard in interviews with the writers that we will find out the rest of her backstory in flashbacks next season anyway (why she was in the loony bin with Hurley).
The name that he gives in this movie is "Widmore," which is different from the name he gave in the other movie. It also just happens to be the last name of two characters in a book (a real book, check Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401302769/sr=8-1/qid=1147449743/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-2480261-9142405?%5Fencoding=UTF8)) called "Bad Twin" that just came out, written by Gary Troup (an anagram for "purgatory"), who "delivered the manuscript for his hotly anticipated thriller just days before he boarded doomed Oceanic Flight 815, which was lost in flight from Sydney, Australia to Los Angeles in September 2004. He remains missing and is presumed dead."
Multimedia indeed.
EDIT: Oh yeah, by the way, "Bad Twin" is also the manuscript that Sawyer was reading last week which Jack tried to throw into the fire when they were arguing about the guns. Hurley found it in the wreckage.
Hate to admit it, but damnit she nailed it pretty well.
Now I gotta listen to her remind me about it....
That's because I am "radiant"......
At first, I thought the theme was the study of Dharma through the application of the scientific principles of the quantum physics many worlds theory.....
....
Now SheJAG is convinced we are "watching the study of the religious principles of Dharma (as used in various eastern/middle eastern religions) using scientific principles...subject selection involves chaotic motion w/ subject delivery through the novel portal of quantum physics..."
Now SheJAG is convinced we are "watching the study of the religious principles of Dharma (as used in various eastern/middle eastern religions) using scientific principles...subject selection involves chaotic motion w/ subject delivery through the novel portal of quantum physics..."
Ahhhhhh....okay. :confused:
So are we to believe that Locke, Desmond and Ecko are dead and Charlie doesn't care enough to let the other people know?
I liked Desmond's 'snowglobe' analogy.
Do y'all think that was a nuclear explosion of some sort? The Others didn't seem to know what was going or be very concerned or curious about it.
I was just waiting for the boat to blow up as Michael drove it away.
3dRanger
25 May 2006, 08:48
http://hansocareers.com/jobsearch.asp
Baildog
25 May 2006, 10:35
Yeah, I thought it was strange how Charlie was like, "They're not back yet? Oh well" and then just forgot about them. I highly doubt that they are dead, though. It was a magnetic anomaly, not a nuclear event. I don't think there was an explosion. Desmond may be dead, though. He was in an unshielded area. But I doubt it. He obviously has an important role in everything, through is connecction to Pen.
I think it's definitely some sort of "snow-globe" force-field shield thing keeping the island invisible to the rest of the world (with an exit on heading 325).
Widmore seems to be the guy behind it all. I presume the Hanso Foundation is somewhere within his holding company structure. But his daughter is employing those two guys in Antarctica (?) to monitor for magnetic anomalies in order to find the island, presumably without his knowledge.
The fact that Desmond brought the plane down with a magnetic anomaly doesn't explain at all the real-world connections between people on the plane before they got to the island, though. They seemed destined to come together on the island, so it doesn't make sense that the crash was an accident caused by Desmond.
I really wanted Hurely to kneecap Michael when he admittted to killing Libby.
Those are my randon "Lost" thorughts for this morning. Pretty good season finale.
JumpmasterK
25 May 2006, 17:22
I think it's definitely some sort of "snow-globe" force-field shield thing keeping the island invisible to the rest of the world.
Weird. That's the feeling that I get at work everyday.
tryxter
25 May 2006, 18:15
Doc seems to have watched "the Unit" this week. See how he was walking and firing into the bushes just before they cut him down with a dart. :rolleyes:
And what happened to Sayid?
Nadir_E
25 May 2006, 20:07
Anyone else find significant inconsistency with the fact that the "Others" used Michael to capture Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Hurley rather than use their own numbers and capability to do so earlier?
For example, we learned earlier that they're capable of very stealthy movement through the jungle (episodes dealing with the tail section) and we learned in this episode that they have dart capability with some form of Curare (disabling agent). Given this, combined with their (presumed) intimate knowledge of the island, they should've been able to 'take' whom they wanted whenever they wanted.
As for Sayid, it appears that the camp he found was a red-herring all along - he was far away from the point of contact when the Others attacked Jack/Kate/Etc. The fake camp's existence points to the Others having anticipated the possible treachery of Michael once he was released (i.e. before they even took him there).
Wonder what (fake) Henry meant by his comment about Walt being more than they bargained for.
-N
JumpmasterK
25 May 2006, 20:10
Didn't Sayid kill himself because he couldn't stand being in such a weird ass nonsense TV show?
Nadir_E
25 May 2006, 20:12
So you're saying that there are TV shows on today that aren't wierd-ass nonsense?? :D
-N
I agree nadir - didn't Jack and Kate basically sit out in the open all night basically daring them to capture them? Add to that the Others caught Kate once and released her, right? :confused:
What was up with the giant foot with four toes?
BCo, I don't what to hear one peep out of you. :p
JumpmasterK
25 May 2006, 20:15
So you're saying that there are TV shows on today that aren't wierd-ass nonsense?? :D
-N
"Scrubs" is pretty good.
Spinner
26 May 2006, 19:18
Hurley must have a stash of twinkies on the island somewhere. That guy has actually gained weight
Hurley must have a stash of twinkies on the island somewhere. That guy has actually gained weight
You must have missed the episode where he revealed and then destroyed his 'stash'. :)
Spinner
26 May 2006, 20:05
You must have missed the episode where he revealed and then destroyed his 'stash'. :)
I miss most of the episodes, for most of the shows. Thanks for the update.
I still say this series will go the way of Twin Peaks. Not because it's bad, but because viewers of these types of shows will only go so long without a payoff. Maybe they should just spin off a new series entitled Found. That would tie up a lot of loose ends.
Queen Beach
27 May 2006, 01:21
I miss most of the episodes, for most of the shows. Thanks for the update.
Maybe they should just spin off a new series entitled Found. That would tie up a lot of loose ends.
I'd watch that....:D
Matchanu
27 May 2006, 20:29
Yeah, I thought it was strange how Charlie was like, "They're not back yet? Oh well" and then just forgot about them. I highly doubt that they are dead, though. It was a magnetic anomaly, not a nuclear event. I don't think there was an explosion. Desmond may be dead, though. He was in an unshielded area. But I doubt it. He obviously has an important role in everything, through is connecction to Pen.
Remeber, he "sampled" the shot of "Medicine", it may or may not have something to do with his demeaner.
I think it's definitely some sort of "snow-globe" force-field shield thing keeping the island invisible to the rest of the world (with an exit on heading 325).
It was 355 degrees, but remeber in the earlier episode when Syied mentioned that the compass was working backwards? North is South and South is North. Obviously the magnatic anomoly is causing some sort of effect with the compass, much like being near metal when navigating underwater.
Widmore seems to be the guy behind it all. I presume the Hanso Foundation is somewhere within his holding company structure. But his daughter is employing those two guys in Antarctica (?) to monitor for magnetic anomalies in order to find the island, presumably without his knowledge.
Alvor Hanso has got to be the man, "are you him?"
The real mystery is the Antartica/arctic guys manitoring things.
The fact that Desmond brought the plane down with a magnetic anomaly doesn't explain at all the real-world connections between people on the plane before they got to the island, though. They seemed destined to come together on the island, so it doesn't make sense that the crash was an accident caused by Desmond.
I agree. Unless the writers just couldn't tie things in and got lazy, but with everything else in the show, I doubt it.
I really wanted Hurely to kneecap Michael when he admittted to killing Libby.
I have a feeling we'll see this happen eventually
Those are my randon "Lost" thorughts for this morning. Pretty good season finale.
There are more questions than answers.
What of the giant stone statue of the foot with 4 toes?
The boat that Michael ecasped in is not sea worthy other than light seas, there has got to be another ship or something.
What is the whole snowman joke thing about, and why did Loch ask Desmond this, and why did Desmond know the answer when he didn't know it before?
Syied may have the only guns left from the group.
SheJAG
22 June 2006, 22:31
Remeber, he "sampled" the shot of "Medicine", it may or may not have something to do with his demeaner.
It was 355 degrees, but remeber in the earlier episode when Syied mentioned that the compass was working backwards? North is South and South is North. Obviously the magnatic anomoly is causing some sort of effect with the compass, much like being near metal when navigating underwater.
Alvor Hanso has got to be the man, "are you him?"
The real mystery is the Antartica/arctic guys manitoring things.
I agree. Unless the writers just couldn't tie things in and got lazy, but with everything else in the show, I doubt it.
I have a feeling we'll see this happen eventually
There are more questions than answers.
What of the giant stone statue of the foot with 4 toes?
The boat that Michael ecasped in is not sea worthy other than light seas, there has got to be another ship or something.
What is the whole snowman joke thing about, and why did Loch ask Desmond this, and why did Desmond know the answer when he didn't know it before?
Syied may have the only guns left from the group.
An interesting show designed to get you thinking....
All questions above can be explained by applying/exploring several rules in the theoretical world of quantum physics and astronomy.
As indicated in a previous post we are "watching the study of the religious principles of Dharma (as used in various eastern/middle eastern religions) using scientific principles...subject selection involves chaotic motion w/ subject delivery through the novel portal of quantum physics..."
In plain english, the scientists use electromagnetic markers to ID subjects who are then snatched into this test tube and subjected to stressors to gauge their reactions....a test of science and a test of faith...there is more to my theory, but it would take much too long to post....
Spinner
19 May 2010, 21:01
I watched this show last night, and not being an avid viewer, all I can say is that I have no clue what's going on. But since I'm not a fan, it doesn't matter.
I still think the finale will leave most viewers disappointed. Shows like this always leave you hanging.
Although considering the fact that nobody seems to know what's going on anyway, it will probably work in the producer's favor, providing endless debate that will continue for more years than the show was on the air.
I still think the finale will leave most viewers disappointed. Shows like this always leave you hanging.
My money is that they play "don't stop believing" and the screen goes black.
Spinner
19 May 2010, 21:34
My money is that they play "don't stop believing" and the screen goes black.
Or Kate wakes up in bed with Bob Newhart talking about some crazy dream she had about being trapped on an island.
I watched this show last night, and not being an avid viewer, all I can say is that I have no clue what's going on. But since I'm not a fan, it doesn't matter.
I thought it was going to be a good show from the promos when it first started. I caught part of one episode, a giant polar bear was chasing someone up a palm tree on a tropical island. Click....
Spinner
19 May 2010, 22:16
I thought it was going to be a good show from the promos when it first started. I caught part of one episode, a giant polar bear was chasing someone up a palm tree on a tropical island. Click....
I actually enjoyed watching these episodes when they were shown late at night on the weekends, back to back and out of order. Kind of like the show, they were bouncing around all over the place.
Here's a recap of seasons 1-5 that you can get through in less than 10 minutes. Not that it will explain anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3zvM0EzT7c&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3zvM0EzT7c&feature=player_embedded#!
She dies... very sad.
Doctor_Doom
23 May 2010, 07:08
Guy I know from high school is one of the creator/writes of Lost. I've never seen a single episode!
Spinner
23 May 2010, 16:34
Doctor Doom, how you doin'? It's been awhile, hope all is well out on the islands.
Considering where you're stationed, have you ever run across them filming over there? I'm pretty sure most of it is done on Oahu somehwhere along the north shore.
I just did a real quick overview of most, but not all, the episodes from the 2nd and 3rd season, and I have the 4th and 5th on tap at the library.
I have to say, it's not a bad show by any means, but it's one of those shows that in the end will disappoint, if for no other reason than all the theories many people invested in won't pan out, and they won't be happy with the creator's ultimate explanation for all the phenomenal happenings on the island.
Hitchcock was a master at using Macguffins, aka plot twists. The biggest problem I have with Lost is that they threw too many plot twists in together, until now they're all mixed together like a big bowl of spaghetti.
Unless the creators can figure out a way to remove most of those strands and straighten them out into a cohesive and plausible explanation, the fan base will be left disappointed.
Who knows, OTOH, maybe it will be the best ending of any show ever produced.
Or Kate wakes up in bed with Bob Newhart talking about some crazy dream she had about being trapped on an island.
You should watch the Jimmy Kimmel Live episode on abc.com, the Aloha to Lost episode dated 5/23. :biggrin:
I saw two episodes of season one and realized this was a great time-suck experiment meant to string people along so they could view as much advertisements as possible, guaranteed.
Can anyone sum up in a paragraph what exactly happened?
Spinner
25 May 2010, 21:47
IMO, nobody survived the crash (despite all the hardcore fans of the show insisting that their time on the island was "real", whatever the hell that means).
Their souls were in a kind of limbo until the wreckage of the plane was discovered and their bodies recovered.
And in a show like this, that works as well as any other theory. Fact is, they really didn't tie up any loose ends, and the last 15 minutes or so might have been one of the sappiest finales ever.
It was like watching a really bad ending of an episode of Touched by an Angel.
You should watch the Jimmy Kimmel Live episode on abc.com, the Aloha to Lost episode dated 5/23. :biggrin:
I watched it, he must have read a couple of recent posts from this thread. Although it was pretty obvious that he'd play around with a couple of iconic show endings from the past.
JD Bobcat
25 May 2010, 21:50
l saw the old bald guy in a bunker with a hippie a few years ago ...... click ..
Never wasted another second on that one .. NCIS and Las Vegas filled in nicely ..
Spinner
25 May 2010, 22:39
So many unanswered questions, so many loose ends left untied...too many damn MacGuffins! :biggrin:
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291
ironpaw
27 May 2010, 03:51
IMO, nobody survived the crash (despite all the hardcore fans of the show insisting that their time on the island was "real", whatever the hell that means).
Their souls were in a kind of limbo until the wreckage of the plane was discovered and their bodies recovered.
And in a show like this, that works as well as any other theory. Fact is, they really didn't tie up any loose ends, and the last 15 minutes or so might have been one of the sappiest finales ever.
It was like watching a really bad ending of an episode of Touched by an Angel.
I watched it, he must have read a couple of recent posts from this thread. Although it was pretty obvious that he'd play around with a couple of iconic show endings from the past.
Concur. Saw it last night and it was under-fucking-whelming...
Matchanu
1 June 2010, 15:50
Best ending to a great show ever.
It answered enough questions but left it up to the viewer to draw their own conclusions on what exactly happend.
My theory; Everyone was dead, everything that happened was a metaphor for dealing with the transition. Improbable events with explainable solutions, starting with the pilot episode.
There wasn't even a plane crash really, everyone on the island died in some other event at some point, those who were "lost" (i.e., living their lives unfulfiled) needed to find themselves and their purpose before being able to move on. The "Others" represented their will to continue living, they guarded the losties from continuing on, the others were themselves. The smoke monster represented the dark subconcience of their evil ways they needed to overcome else be entraped into a permement limbo. Time was irrelevent in this conflict, they had to find their own way.
As Jacob told Hurley when they were at the light house, you can tell some people, but others need to find their own way.
Desmond was completely lost, so his purpose was a "spirtitual guide" of sorts, transistioning knowlege and guidance to both worlds.
I think the numbers were at the most basic of metaphores, "your number is up".
Most of what the show was about were in the clues of the books that the losties were reading, Fear and Trembling, Everything That Rises Must Converge, A Separate Reality, Manservant and Maidservant, The Survivors of the Chancellor, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, The Brothers Karamazov, Caravan of Dreams, The Chosen, The Mysterious Island, The Shape of Things to Come, The Third Policeman, Etc....
This show was written for people who enjoy thinking rather than mindless entertainment, a gamble to be certain, but I certainly enjoyed the hell out of this show.
The ending kept me up for three nights trying to piece it all together, I still don't have it all figured out yet, I kind of like it that way.
Unlikely we'll ever see another show like this in the near future, which is really unfortunate.
I'll miss my Tuesday additction.
Matchanu that was a great post. I got involved last season and this season, and while I didn't come up with all of the points you did, I came to many of the same conclusions.
JD Bobcat
1 June 2010, 17:01
Theres always Leroy Jethro Gibbs, DiNozzo, McGeek and Ziva on Tues ..
Almighty Bones
1 June 2010, 17:26
an island purgatory. Would have been faster to just get Jennifer Love Hewitt to guide them to the darkside though. =P
Best ending to a great show ever.
It answered enough questions but left it up to the viewer to draw their own conclusions on what exactly happend.
My theory; Everyone was dead, everything that happened was a metaphor for dealing with the transition. Improbable events with explainable solutions, starting with the pilot episode.
There wasn't even a plane crash really, everyone on the island died in some other event at some point, those who were "lost" (i.e., living their lives unfulfiled) needed to find themselves and their purpose before being able to move on. The "Others" represented their will to continue living, they guarded the losties from continuing on, the others were themselves. The smoke monster represented the dark subconcience of their evil ways they needed to overcome else be entraped into a permement limbo. Time was irrelevent in this conflict, they had to find their own way.
As Jacob told Hurley when they were at the light house, you can tell some people, but others need to find their own way.
Desmond was completely lost, so his purpose was a "spirtitual guide" of sorts, transistioning knowlege and guidance to both worlds.
I think the numbers were at the most basic of metaphores, "your number is up".
Most of what the show was about were in the clues of the books that the losties were reading, Fear and Trembling, Everything That Rises Must Converge, A Separate Reality, Manservant and Maidservant, The Survivors of the Chancellor, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, The Brothers Karamazov, Caravan of Dreams, The Chosen, The Mysterious Island, The Shape of Things to Come, The Third Policeman, Etc....
This show was written for people who enjoy thinking rather than mindless entertainment, a gamble to be certain, but I certainly enjoyed the hell out of this show.
The ending kept me up for three nights trying to piece it all together, I still don't have it all figured out yet, I kind of like it that way.
Unlikely we'll ever see another show like this in the near future, which is really unfortunate.
I'll miss my Tuesday additction.
Some excellent thoughts, truly. It makes sense.
At one point I thought that the "sideways" flash was the reality, the plane landed without incident and all of the connections made from a simple plane ride explains their relationships. Upon their deaths at various times they were in "limbo" if you will, to find their way through with those that mattered most to them or had a large impact on their lives at some point.
Then again, another thought was that these virtual strangers all died in a plane crash, and with lives so abruptly ended worked with each other to transition...
I'd like to get the whole series when it comes out and watch it again. I too will miss my Tuesday night addiction.
Spinner
1 June 2010, 20:25
I just caught up with the last of season 5, and I'll probably catch the last season sometime down the road.
Matchanu pretty much nailed it, and took it step further by asserting that there probably wasn't even a plane crash. If you were to meet some of the hardcore Lost fanatics (you know, the ones who will start going to conventions wearing Dharma jumpsuits) and put forth that theory, they'd probably just roll their eyes.
The main consensus on the one discussion board I checked out is that their time on the island was real, that everything that occured actually happened. I don't see how anybody could buy that at this point.
Jimmy Kimmel was a huge fan of the show and had fun with creators and actors during its run. The little video montage he put together after the finale of the tender moments of Lost was a hoot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ4ggqwpV4Q
Matchanu
2 June 2010, 09:59
One of the short stories that appears in Lost is "An Incidenent at Owl Creek Ridge", it tells of a man who is about to hang for his crimes durring the Civil War. The story jumps around through time, in his mind he escapes the noose and evades capture through the forest, his sences are hightend to superhuman strength, but he never seems to get out of the forest. He see his familiy in the distance but never gets there, then he suddenly feels a sharp pain in his neck, a bright light, then everything goes black.
He never escaped the noose and dies, everything that happened was in the time he was falling in the gallows.
Time became irrelevent and stretched out for the condemed man.
Many of the books referenced in Lost deal with morality, free will, the battle between good and evil (The Stand is heavily referenced), and stories like the one above.
Lost was meant to be read in to.
Sierra 1
2 June 2010, 14:13
My take was that it all actually happened, the flash sideways was a purgatory created by all the characters to cross over together.
Jacks father said as much. He also said that everything that happened to jack actually happened, and that "everybody dies. Some before you and some long after".
Good ending in my opinion. No cop out by saying it was all a dream, the reality of all the suffering and death, but still a happy ending in that they all reconnected and moved on together in the afterlife.
Jim
Matchanu
2 June 2010, 15:36
What's cool about the ending is that it leaves a lot up to the viewer on the interpretation.
Many people see it many different ways.
Only one thing is certain, Jack died.
Now I'll have to watch the whole series again.
Sierra 1
2 June 2010, 17:42
Agreed. I re watched the finale with my wife and it interesting how many more clues I picked up on the second go, after knowing the ending.
Well done television.
I was also suprised at the overtly Christian overtones and the positive way that they treated religion. Just interesting coming out of Hollywood. The show managed to stay very un political.
Jim
Matchanu
2 June 2010, 17:53
Agreed. I re watched the finale with my wife and it interesting how many more clues I picked up on the second go, after knowing the ending.
Well done television.
I was also suprised at the overtly Christian overtones and the positive way that they treated religion. Just interesting coming out of Hollywood. The show managed to stay very un political.
Jim
All the religions were represented well, notice the strained glass in the room when Jack and Christian were talking?
This is all a reference to the litature I cited above, mainly The Brothers Karamazov and Fear and Trembling, which deal with free will and morality.
Death and after life are not exclusivly Christian, but anyone can garner anything they want from the way it was presented, I thought it was genius.
I took a gander at some of the Lost websites, lots of people are all butthurt by the ending, they wanted a straight forward scientific explaination, I think they missed the point.
The writers left clues of what you should be looking for in just about every episode by the books referenced and even the names of the charactors.
Last 108 seconds and first 108 seconds played in reverse.
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Spinner
4 October 2010, 18:29
The terrible hockey movie Youngblood was on a local station the other night, and one of the characters was a hot blooded woman who takes in boarders for the local Jr. Hockey League. Shows them the ropes, so to speak. :biggrin:
So, when Mrs. McGill made her first appearance, at first I thought it was an actress that still pops up from time to time, Mary Steengurgen.
But a check of the credits on IMDB lists her as one Fionnula Flanagan, who played Eloise on Lost.
She must have been practicing for her part on the TV show all these years, because I can't recall ever seeing her in something else.
Gypsy
6 October 2010, 20:14
But a check of the credits on IMDB lists her as one Fionnula Flanagan, who played Eloise on Lost.
She must have been practicing for her part on the TV show all these years, because I can't recall ever seeing her in something else.
:biggrin:
I'm not 100% sure, but I think she played the mother in the movie The Thornbirds. I've seen her somewhere else as well, but CRS...
Brownsurccapt
6 October 2010, 20:39
HUGE lost fan here, and so are a couple of buddies of mine, they have a record label (Modern Short Stories) and their own band, ("Punchline"). I'm not here to help them sell records, :biggrin: in fact they wrote a song in dedication to "Lost" and released it the night of the finale.
Link here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJQcXftJRpI
The video was made a few weeks after the Finale. (by a fan)
Just thought I would pass this song on to all the Lost fans! I think the Lyrics are genius! :smile:
Please tell me what you think of the song. And if you like the music style send me a PM and I will point you to their website if you're interested.
Spinner
6 October 2010, 21:13
:biggrin:
I'm not 100% sure, but I think she played the mother in the movie The Thornbirds. I've seen her somewhere else as well, but CRS...
She appeared in a lot of TV shows in the 60s and 70s.
Which is kind of funny, because on one of the subchannels for that WCIU station, I caught an episode of Gunsmoke a couple of days ago and there she was again!
Cue the Lost theme music...:biggrin:
Gypsy
6 October 2010, 21:24
She appeared in a lot of TV shows in the 60s and 70s.
Which is kind of funny, because on one of the subchannels for that WCIU station, I caught an episode of Gunsmoke a couple of days ago and there she was again!
Cue the Lost theme music...:biggrin:
She must be stalking you, probably wants to know if her jeans make her ass look fat.
That's two crossthreads. :biggrin:
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