To Trident/Fred

[mb]

I've got a possible phony for you guys. I've given this nightinsertion character (up until recently a local on this bulletin board) long enough to prove his first hand accounts of SEAL training. I smelled BS from the start. There is little doubt in my mind that he is a phony, but I figured I bring you guys into the loop before calling it official.

It started out with his comment about the psych test giving during indoc. Now whether there currently is a test given or not, I don't know, but what got me thinking was that he said it he knew for sure it existed because he took it during indoc and that it came about because of the murder of that college girl by the two SEALs in early 90s. Well, the murder actually took place in the summer of 1995. Even though he probably should have known that, maybe it was an honest mistake. But then I started to do the math. Assume the NSW community moved quickly on this and started administering the psych test in January 1996. Well that puts the earliest graduation date for Mr. Nightinsertion in summer of 1996. While it's possible that he's gotten out after 3 years, it was suspicious enough for me to do some checking on.

This is what else I found that didn't quite match up.

Nightinsertion talking about an instructor:
"He was so hard that they stopped in from being a 1st phase proctor for a while. He made a lot of people go away before indoc even started. Our original numbers for our class in ptrr was 145. By the time we made it to indoc we had 87 people. Guys were ringing out in their whites. that shit was funny."

He seems a little confused about what the difference is between 1rst phase, PTRR, and Indoc are and when each occurs. Now 1rst phase instructors don't get their hands on students until 1rst phase. So how he made them "go away before indoc even started", I don't know. Also since Indoc is the very first phase you do in BUD/S, I'm not sure how this instructor could make 58 drop before they even started. He must have been a real bad-ass.

Then on October 22nd, he claims to know two people in DevGru and writes this:
"Yes, the operators for Devgru are older. Alot of guys out of BUD/S are usually 19 to 25, I've seen a 38 yr old make it though. You usually have to complete at least two platoons, get good recommendations, a hot shit squared away operator. Knowing someone on DEV doesnt hurt either. Physically you have to be well above regular SEAL standards. The couple of guys I knew on DEVGRU were hardasses. Even then they have to be put through more physical training once they arrived."

One month later, he writes this about DevGru:
"How long does a new SEAL spend on green team learning the new ropes before he's made operational? Along with learning CQB, I was told that they have a lot of physical training to go through to. Is this true? How long can a guy stay with Devgru?"

My question is, if he has contacts in the Teams and on DevGru, why doesn't he ask them. He should know, if he was a SEAL, that no one is going to answer these questions on an internet bulletin board. In one month, he appears to go from being the expert to knowing nothing.

Finally, he posted this in early November... very strange:
"I need some help. I am going into a service and only want the fastest paced, KATN group. I want to do DA and CT,bottomline. Ever since I returned to the civilian world, I'm sick of regular work. So I'm trying to get my facts straight. what's the difference between RIP and Ranger course?"

Again, I ask if he's been there done that, surely there are better places to get this info.

The only thing he has going is that he spit out a few legit names of SEALs and knows a few generic stories which anyone with a passing interest in the Teams can read about in a dozen books or hear about in half a dozen documentaries.

I appologize for this being so long, but as I have no direct proof, I thought it best to provide all of my circumstantial evidence and let you guys make a decision whether to pursue this further.

I don't have a name, but his email is nightinsrt@aol.com. I posted a message to him about 2 weeks ago requesting his BUD/S class number, date of grad, and date of discharge. He hasn't posted since.

Let me know how this all turns out.

Thanks,

mb

[pn]

Nightinsertion has said that was in class 224 and left the navy on a hardship discharge in the middle of BUD/S. He has also said that he's a minority. That should be enough to pin down the story.

I've never seen him claim to be a SEAL.

-pn

[pid10771]

Now first let me say i'm not a SEAL and have never been to BUD/S i was stationed at Bahrain security det. and well over half of the people there were BUD/S drops. As far as this nightinsertion character is concerned i don't know anything about him or the DEVGRU claims. But this i do know for a period of a year my tour in bahrain i've heard just about every BUD/S story that is to be told. And the 1phase instructor he is refering to was a Proctor. A Proctor is the first person you have contact with at BUD/S he takes you through PTRR and indoc and is there for you through your whole training. And i heard the same story to many times the guy was to hard and nobody was making it through first phase. Now please understand that all my info is second hand. And as far as the psych test well i personnaly have never heard of such beast and like i said i've heard just about every BUD/S story there is and i'm sure that would of come. Just my $.02.

[mb]

PN,

Thanks for the check. I'd buy he was in class 224 and didn't make it through.

As for claiming to be a SEAL, no he never did come out and say it. At the very least, I believe he was trying to give that impression. What gets me though is if a guy is laughing at the people that quit along the way, that man had better have made it all the way through the training. Otherwise, who the hell is he to judge.

As for his claims, there is no doubt some truth to all he said. I've heard most of the stories in one form or another before.

Thanks again.

[pn]

No prob. Just glad to clear up any potentially hairy situation. It's too easy to misinterpret things that are said on forums like this; I learned the hard way after receiving several ass-chewings on the old old SOCNET.

[nightinsertion]

Sorry for the hiatus! working too much. Now for this dipshit asswipe. NO I never claimed to be a SEAL. NO I AM NOT A SEAL! I was in BUD/s class 224. OUr ptrr proctor was instructor King. For people who like to criticize other people it's the Physical Training Rest Relaxation. it is the holding pattern for people who first arrive, are broken from all three phases. The PTRR barracks are right between the grinder and the beach, next to the barracks is what we called the "pit" where we would hold our musters. You want more specifics! 224 and 225 were the ONLY class to wear cammies instead of the green BDU's. The change was made because it was expensive to keep making the greens. The proctor that was a badass was instructor Getka ask anyone who Has been to BUD/s recently and they'll no who he is! Want more proof young Willy- surrounding BUD/s is SEAL teams 1,3,5. MY CO at the time was Capt McGuire, our CMC was Master chief Goward and then he left to WARCOMM. MC Melia took over as CMC. From December to March or April our Quarterdeck is under construction, it now has marble floors(I know because I was always cleaning them). We did all of of our indoc swimming at the CTT(combat training tank)across the street at NAB. right outside the pool is the decon showers where they make trainees freeze their asses off! enough or you want more. As far as contacts you chump. I was an Operations Specialist "A" school before going to BUD/s. Anyone in the navy knows that OS school is in Dam Neck, virginia. which is also where DEVGRU is! SAME BAse. Every aspiring BUD/s guy at that school talk to the SEALs at DEVGRU.(We all shared the same pool) And as far as the other stuff, I was questioning because one of my instructors from BUD/s left for DEVGRU right before I was discharged and was wonderin how he was doin? If we would like call the quarter deck dipshit and ask when they administer the psych test. It is during the second week of indoctrination. I was inquiring about other SOF units because I dont know everything, I NEVER CLAIM TOOO! And I want to go back in the service!
What I simply try is to inform any hopefuls with what little info I have, I,unlike some pussnuts, try to help people and not criticize them just to have interesting conversation on this net. Its a damn shame when people want to be asses over a damn computer. I have never judged drop outs, some of my closest friends DOR'd from my class
My recommendation to you young fellow is to watch where you stick your nose or you'll get it caught in a bear trap! Go out and get a life to live for yourself and stop trying to sit in judgement of mine o'young one.

nightinsertion BUD/s class224

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