The SOCNET boots thread....

[OGREEN6]

I'm searching the best waterproof tactical boots, and where to buy their ?

[carpe282]

Check out the Danner Acadia. It is 8" tall, coudura on the sides, gore-tex, comes insulated or not and is current issue to the Ranger Regiment. There is no better all-around tac boot. They can be bought through almost any company that sells tac gear or Danner has its own web site. I have seen them priced from $150-$200. Do some research for the best price.

[XS]

What are they like for ankle support? I have seen some boots that go half way up your leg yet still roll easily.

There was one boot, the name of which I have forgotten that supposedly can't roll. It is reportedly quite popular among para's.

Does anyone know of this?

[OGREEN6]

Thank you Carpe282, but what do you think about Tactical Waterproof 3651 of Altama and Hi-tech Magnum ?

[carpe282]

I don't have any experience with the Altimas.
They are still pretty new to the market and I have not needed new boots since their introduction. The Hi-tecs are good for the money and comfortable but they do not last. I have yet to see a pair in good condition after a year of hard use. I have several pairs of boots that I have "collected" over the years.
I have 3 pairs of Danners, all of which are over 5 years old with one pair over ten.
They are heavier than Hi-tecs but will last a lot longer as they are made with better materials and leathers. They are very stable and I have worn mine doing everything from hiking Mt.Rainier to chasing badguys. What are you going to use them for and how much do you want to spend?
Danners are an investment and are well worth the money.

[Riley]

This goes in best boots, but it was getting long....

I got a pair of Danner Acadia uninsulated Gore-Tex. Sweetest ever!

Wore them on a 5k compass course over rocky/sandy, damp terrain. No heel, arch pain, no cold no feet wet from exterior moisture. Best boots for my Army Reserve use! HOOAH thanks Danner!!!
Had two small blister on top of my big toes, do to not breaking in the boots. The lace to toe needs a little more wear in time.

More info, contact me....


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Riley
Do it right, or not at all.

[Ktulu]

I also have acadia boots that are 2 years old & have lasted very well over OMANs razor sharp rocky terrain.
Get some OD cushion sole socks and you will never have any foot trouble!

[garett]

Whats the best warm weather boot that is good for long distance rucks?

[Jesse]

Military or civilian?

[garett]

Military, tan or black.

[Jesse]

They are basically the same boots, the tan, for the desert, don't have drain holes so sand doesn't get in. Fot military use black will be used more (depending on where you are), but you might find the desert boots.

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"Dream as if you'll live forever, Live as if you'll die today"
-- James Dean

-Jesse Foust

[Challenged Ranger]

Be careful too though...the fact that military boots don't have a midsole makes them a danger for shin splints...this may cause problems as you could see...you usually have to resole the boot to make them really good for rucking...consider the new marine corps boots, now as much as i am not a proponent of gore tex boots, they really are quite comfy for ruck marches....

[bubba]

As a grunt all I do is walk. Warm, cool, "africa hot", or "arctic cold", the best boot for long nature hikes or forced marches has got to be the ARMY ISSUE od green jungle boot with the steel removed and re-soled with vibram soles(the padded flat kind). I stress ARMY ISSUE because of fake crappie imports/copies. No date on the collar, not issue boot. I'v been doing this for about 6 and a half years with ranger/airborne/airasault/sniper/etc., and have had the same two pair of trusty field boots for the whole thing. The black kind issued to me in HI wore out after about 2 months of garrison duty road marches.

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RLTW

[Jesse]

I'd like to add, unless you are military, civilian boots would be better. If you are military, you might not get to choose between black and tan boots.

[garett]

Yeah I've noticed the problems with the new black jungle boots. The vents rusted out and a few of the speed lace loops broke. I used them whenever I went to the field this past summer but decided against wearing them on our week long defensive exercise because I thought they might not be too good for digging in and I would get more protection from a boot with a leather side from shovels and picks etc... This summer I should be on the first two phases of Canadian Infantry Officer training which basically means that when I'm in the field I'll either be marching or digging in. Jungle boots don't really seem to have the support and protection needed for the type of activities I'll be involved in. I've also heard that the leather used in desert boots wears out pretty fast but they cost about half of the USMC Matterhorn boots. I guess we're given a lot of freedom when it comes to kit we use on officer training, basically if the instructors use it we can. Thats really different then my basic and infantry training where we all had to be exact copies of each other.

[JY]

Hi garret:

Warm weather...all I gotta say is DESERT BOOTS http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif They are the most comfy ones going...add a little foot powder in the heat(sans sox)and heaven http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gifIf they get on you for the DBs they can be dyed http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif Plus they don't suck in dust and grit like the JBs do http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/eek.gif (The rough out leather also looks like dirt through NVGs so a plus camo wise). If you buy them yourself make sure you get ISSUE boots, the commercial ones just don't cut it, Altama sells them online(issue) if you can't get them at the Q store.

Take care...Jim, aka Happy Feets http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

[VMI_Marine]

I'd have to say that my Bates Lites have served me fairly well, I wore them on an 86 mile ruck march. Yeah, my feet were looking like raw hamburger by the end, but I think that was the result of poor footcare on my part. I learned some painful lessons on that march. You can get away with some things for 25-30 miles, but around 50-60 miles you'll know that you screwed up.

[VMI_Marine]

Almost forgot, Bates are great for road marches. Off road, they get a little iffy, the soles don't have very much traction. I'd like to try Bubba's idea and see if that works better, but since we're changing utility uniforms this summer, it doesn't seem like a wise investment.

[bubba]

New uniform??? Us army types are getting pizza hats, what are you marine types getting to be mad at?

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RLTW

[RogueExec]

New digital camo pattern. Luffly.

[bubba]

Sounds purdy, any pics or reference sites?

[Rich H]

Has anyone tried to reinforce the ankle area on jungle boots? I was thinking that some two inch scuba webbing sewn to the outside should work.

[bubba]

Man, you can't improve on perfection!!!

[Rich H]

Perfection? Are you kidding? Every set that I had I had to remove the steel plates(cutting the crap out of my hands), smash the toe-box and resole them, then find an old running shoe insole that would fit inside!
I know, the black ones are soooo much better!

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Originally posted by Rich H:
Perfection? Are you kidding? Every set that I had I had to remove the steel plates(cutting the crap out of my hands), smash the toe-box and resole them, then find an old running shoe insole that would fit inside!
I know, the black ones are soooo much better!

Damn! Sounds like you should have your hooves
checked instead!

[jag...justagrunt]

These Boots Are Made for Power
Posted Saturday, October 20


SRI International, a research firm in Menlo Park, Calif., is working with the Defense Department to create a shoe that will convert the mechanical energy of walking into electric power to charge up gadgets, batteries and other devices.

At the heart, or rather sole, of the experimental foot-ware is a heel made of a special elastic polymer. A tiny battery positively charges one side of the flexible material and the other negatively. As the material is compressed and released — such as by the foot pressure generated during walking — the distance between the positive and negative sides change, which in turn creates electricity.

According to Ron Pelgrine, the director for SRI International's Advanced Transducers Program, the prototype boot generates about half a watt of power — more than enough energy to recharge the boot's built-in battery and a cell phone. But Pelgrine hopes that by the end of January the boot's output could be raised to nearly two watts which is enough juice to power several small electronic devices — a cell phone, a handheld computer, and a radio — simultaneously.

And that kind of potential could be reached since the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA, has funded about $2.6 million to SRI International's research under a project called Energy Harvesting.

http://www.theggordonliddyshow.com/newspics/1020boots.jpg

[PhoulPlae]

that's ... unique

[Mac679]

*waiting for one of three things: 1) the mircowave oven and fridge to go with it, 2) the first tester to have one short out and cause a hot foot, and 3) an ingenious trooper to figure out how to induce #2*

[This message has been edited by Mac679 (edited 10-26-2001).]

[mikemac64]

Okay, after 20 years of boots (Marines, and police), I am getting bad feet, sore knees, etc.

I have seen some places the bates "Navy Seal" boot...is this a good product? The ad's claim they are as comfy as a running shoe, and insinuate they can still be polished...??

Any input? I believe the model is officially called the "Bates 924 Navy Seal Boot".

Any feedback would be appreciated...

Mike

[ebbertt]

Bought a pair of Bates from Getfitnow, very very comfortable boots. The claims about being just like a running shoe are definitely true. They do have a leather lower part, but the upper is some type of fabric, don't recall what kind. So part of the boot could be polished.

Matt

[Jeff Rambo]

There is a gear forum on SOCNET, but I'll let this one slide. Just be sure to capitalize SEAL the next time.

[mikemac64]

Sorry about the Seal (SEAL)...I do know better...

Call me a dumb jarhead once for my penence

[DIRSUP KORLING]

Bates 924s kick ass for running in. I've been running in mine for about six months now and they were worth every penny I spent for them.

However, because they are designed specifically for running and are very lightweight I didn't throw away my jungle boots. I prefer something a little more rugged and protective in the field and at sea. Also, the pair I have are pretty much worn out now. I'm just nursing them along until January when supposedly I'll be issued another pair at SWCC.

The uniform shop at Kaneohe MCAS was the only place on Oahu that carried the 924s btw. I think I paid about 80 bux for them.

mario

[mikemac64]

Can you get a good shine on the leather..????

[ebbertt]

Don't know whether you can get a good shine on the leather or not, never had to try since I'm just a wannabe right now. Come this October or so, I'll let you know http://www.socnetcentral.com/ubboard/smile.gif. Well, maybe.

Matt

[DIRSUP KORLING]

They shine up pretty good. I wore them to work for awhile.

mario

[TXSWAT]

may not want them too glassy if you are "going hot".

[mikemac64]

I am not going "hot". I just need a more comfy shoe/boot for patrol. Jump boots are killing me.

And the old (I am 37 years old) Marine in me says they must be able to be shined. No more spitshining here as it is impractacle for patrol. But I do put a decent shine on each morning.

[sjl777]

Has anyone ever re-soled their jungle boots? The tread is really wearing out. I've had mine for so long, I'd rather re-sole them if possible. I've seen Army Airborne and SF types with a different type sole on their jungle boots when I was at JRTC years ago. It looked like they were re-soled but I never bothered to ask.

Thanks

[AaronS18]

the fabric on the upper part of the boot is courdura, and nylon. the same material used for most backpacks. i have a pair. they are great. mine use to polish up nice, but after running in the sand and being in the salty sea water....they have seen better days. but they dry out quick, and hold up pretty well. great for running in.

[stephen]

I have mine resoled at Ft. Jackson. The guy there doesn't just glue them on as some places, but actually stitches the new sole to the boot. I prefer the ripple sole to the Vibrams, but that is personnel preference. HTH

Stephen

[MARK92A]

I think the question should be how many times have you resoled your Jungles before the rest of the boot wore out?? Doesnt EVERYONE resole their boots?

[CaptainKB]

Bates 924 are excellent for doing boot runs on concrete, but they are horrible in the woods. The sole has no traction and you slip a lot because of it; however, if you are a police officer patrolling cities, then they would probably work out well.

[This message has been edited by CaptainKB (edited 11-12-2001).]

[bubba]

Try resole.com . They will put a running type sole on your favorite boots for about $50. They remove the whole sole and completely re-do the sole. This lightens the boots so that they feel like your favorite running shoes but are wearable in uniform. I took two pairs to SFAS about two months ago and they were wonderful to my feet(no blisters/ achy feet). You can expect to pay about the same elswhere for a grind and glue job that most re-sole places do.

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RLTW

[sjl777]

Thanks for the info. Anyone know of a decent place in the San Diego area to get my jungle boots resoled?

[mnp109]

Anyone know of any stores that carry Bates 924s. I can get them off the interent but would much rather have a chance to try them on first, since boots sizes tend to vary for me.

[grrlcop74]

I bought a pair five years ago, love 'em! Great for LE patrol, very comfortable and lightweight. They are just now starting to wear down, they've outlasted my buddies' Magnums, Rockys, etc. Mine have steel toes, great for shins! http://www.socnetcentral.com/ubboard/smile.gif I bought mine at Keesler AFB, wish I still had base privileges so I could drive over and get another pair a little cheaper.

Kristen

[bmf]

Kristen,

I'll get you in the exchange if you frisk me....

[grrlcop74]

<getting out gallon jug of hand sanitizer>

I'm headin' to Florida!!

Kristen

[ebbertt]

...but they are horrible in the woods. The sole has no traction and you slip a lot because of it...[/B]

I can attest to that unfortunately. Choose something else to run in the wods with, you don't want to mess up your knee like I did.

[bmf]

hand sanitizer?

Most of my sores have healed up and I haven't had crabs in over two months!

geesh, women these days are so finicky....

[LeCarre]

I just purchased a pair of Altama combat boots and want to start conditioning my feet and boots. I went out for what I thought would be a nice 5-6 mile ruck with a 45 lb. pack and within a mile I had a blister on my right heel. Apparently, the leather is so rough in that area, it just gripped my sock and rubbed my skin raw.

What is the best way to break in these boots?

Thanks.

[LeCarre]

Classic FNG move. Sorry. I didn't see my earlier post the first time around.

[PhoulPlae]

I dont know much about Altamas but why don't you try some insoles?

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Breaking in boots has been covered on several different boot threads. Do alittle reading, I'm sure you will find alot of info.

[LeCarre]

Insoles were the first investment, but these boots (Altamas) have a patch of leather along the heel that has more traction than the rubber along the bottom of the boot (read: it grips and grinds into one's heel very impressively). Of course, it's only on one boot.

If my feet can ever get used to these boots, I'll enlist with the Zulu Nation and fight barefoot comfortably.

[pete]

I know this has worked for me. Put your boots on. Stand in the bathtub, turn on the HOT water and fill her up. Let the water soak over the top and get those boots really wet. Then after a long soaking go for a squessy walk. I dont know if that works for your boots, it worked for me with my boots. good luck.
pete

[riptide]

Has anyone tried any of these boots and have any recommendations?

Trooper II by Danner
Storm by Mangum
Rocky Alphaforce

Basically, I am looking for something that will stay somewhat dry and warm, is lightweight, comfortable, and rugged enough to withstand a lot of rucking.
There's got to be something better than just regular old jungle boots.

Thanks

[Bill P.]

Questions about boots are somewhat tricky, b/c everyones' feet are different, therfore you have to find the boots that work well for you!
I myself have worn Danners, and am now currently wearing Matterhorns. Great Boots Matterhorns, you can't go wrong! Their is always a trade-off when you're looking for boots that are:
Lightweight-Comfy-durable-warm/dry. From my experience some boots are more of this, less of that, and sometimes in between! Danner makes great boots, however make sure the boot has a good traction sole, has a shock absorbing midsole/insole( Acadia, ft. Lewis)(How high is the trooper II?)and is 8-10 inches in height for proper ankle support. Also the height permits trouser blousing, to keep out dirt, mud, water etc.. I myself have the Matterhorn ATD, and the USMC boots(best boots so far!)
Magnum boots are comfy, but more suited for urban/garrison settings, less for rucking out in the boonies. They're not durable enough(seen several get trashed within a month from being used in the field), and the Magnums I've seen cannot be resoled!
I have no experience with Rockys, so I cannot offer you any opinion!
Besides in the field, there is no guarantee that one will be able to keep their feet warm/dry/comfy all the time. Good luck with whatever choice you make!

[whisky8]

Raichles.

[riptide]

Thanks.


Whiskey - Which Raicles?

[whisky8]

"Group" has been issuing Raichles for years now. Great boots, I've done some serious long range movements without a single blister. Check out the link below, the YATNA II GTX look like what I had been issued...


http://www.raichle.com/E/outdoor/products/f_hard.htm

[riptide]

Thanks you guys.

I am headed to SFAS in April and wondering if those Raichles are acceptable boots, or if it is best to use jungles as to not stand out.

[whisky8]

Raichles would definately be a no-go. Check with the SF recruiters first before packing any non-standard boots to SFAS...

[riptide]

Ya, that is about what I figured.

Thanks

[canibal_1]

I`ve owned Danners and they were awesome , but like it was previously mentioned they could use a sole with a bit more grip for the bush and they can get really hot quick in warm environment. I could explain in more detail why I like the danners but in the end I guess it boils down to your personal tastes/needs.....

[UberCree]

Hey speaking of Raichles, I've got a pair that I love, but I hate, absolutely HATE the lace up clips on the uppers of most hiking boots that they have. I always seem to either catch a lace, cord, stick, you name it, on the lace up hooks. Anyone know of a way around this?

[whisky8]

100 MPH tape...

[CWM11B]

Stay away from the Rocky Alphas, they suck! Several guys on my team (Urban PD SWAT) have bought them and they fall apart quickly. Some of the guys who bought them gave them away after a week as they claimed they hurt their feet. I would stay away from the Hi-Tech boots for anything but urban areas. Not enough ankle support for long rucks with heavy loads. Good luck at SFAS, hope this helps.

[Airedale]

Any ideas where I can find the Raichle boots in the US? I looked on their web-page and they have a listing for Denver with an 800m number that has been dis-connected.

Regards and thanks for any help.

[Bill P.]

Airedale,
Contact Life link International, in regards to Raichle boots. I think they're one of the few dealers in N.A. who carry these boots!
www.life-link.com
Bill

[whisky8]

Bill,
I love back-country skiing, but I think Airedale is looking for a dealer of the Raichle hiking boots, not the moutaineering boots. I did a quick search myself and did not find much. Local outfitters in your area may know where to locate them if you're really interested in them. Shoot the folks at Moutain Chalet an e-mail, they should know...


http://www.mtnchalet.com/index.html

[ronin_13769]

I am looking for a couple of pairs of hig quality desert boots, I have seen what appear to be Bellevilles in some pictures but can not find a place to buy them. I would be thank ful for any input as to what some of you recommend as I have never worn any. Thanks

[Airedale]

Whisky8,

Thanks for the clarification and web recommendation. I am looking for the Hiking Boots and not the Ski boots.

Regards.

[Grand58742]

Try US Cav, Ranger Joes or Brigade Quartermaster. You will end up paying through the nose for them, but they are a great boot. After you break them in you will be "friends" for life.

I've got a set that will be going to the gulf for a 4th time, so durability isn't in question with those.

As for manufacturers, Bellville is one of the government contractors that makes them. I'm almost positive Bates makes them as well, but I'm not certain. There are others, but I don't know the names right off hand.

If you do buy them, don't get the cheap "Official US Spec" knockoffs you see every once in a while. Go with the original.

[ronin_13769]

Thanks, I have seen the ones advertised from Altma but I have never been impressed with the standard green/black ones from them. I have the current black ones from Belleville and have been pleased, I ordered them from a USMC uniform sales, but I can't seem to find any desert ones. I am currently in a reserve unit but the local uniform sales of course don't have any thing. I last checked at Great LAkes two weeks ago. I will keep trying thanks. I see your an SP, I was active duty SP from 81-85, spent 12 months at Incirlik. Becareful over there. RK

[whisky8]

Ronin,
FYI, desert boots are comfortable to wear and they keep your feet much cooler than any black boot. The one drawback to desert boots is they wear-out very quicky being designed for a desert environment they have very soft soles that don't last long against the pavement...

[ronin_13769]

Thanks for the info, I ordered a pair from ranger joes, but they are Altama, I don't think they are offical issue, I would like to find a pair of the regular issue ones but I have only found the Altamas. I checked at us elite gear, but they could not tell me who made the ones they sell. Cav and Quartermasters all are Altamas. If you have any idea where I might be able to find some that would be helpful. I would like to get some before I getted called up, as I have been told it is only a matter of time. Thanks again for your input. RK

[Signal]

Originally posted by ronin_13769
I would like to get some before I getted called up, as I have been told it is only a matter of time.

You will get official issue WHEN your unit IS called up.

[Doc]

If anyone at Bragg needs their Boot's repaired/resoled/whatever check out Clark's Boot repair on Yadkin Road.

Mr Clark is a retired Warrant Officer out of the 82nd and he's one honest and hardworking man.

Not trying to advertise for him, just trying to save some other folks some money and get some great service to boot, no pun intended.

No I'm not getting a kick back. lol.

Take care.

[ReconHopeful]

Does anyone know who makes the new Marine Corps Infantry Combat Boot? I believe Matterhorn does, but does anyone else? Also how do these boots compare to standard issue jungle boots or desert boots? Durability comfort weight etc. I am trying to find a genuine combat boot to run in other than my garbage chinese knockoff jungle boots. So far I have heard that the Bates 924 boot is good for running but I am primarily interested in Marine Corps boots so I can get used to them.

Also when (if ever) will we be able to get our hands on the knew USMC Jungle Desert Boot? Thanks in advance for your help.

[garett]

Heres the link (http://www.coveshoe.com/mt_cs_8cordura.html)

[0802]

The primary manufacturer of the ICB, both black and rough-out is Belleville. The new boots, both ICB and Hot weather, are neither jungle nor desert boot, but common boots. They are now coyote brown instead of the previous black in order to blend in better in almost all terrain. Belleville is precluded in selling the Marine rough out boot to anyone but Marine clothing sales, although its basically their Model 790 in a slightly different shade of brown and an embossed Marine emblem. At this time they will not even sell them to deployed Marines, I tried, that cannot get them though the clothing system.

[ReconHopeful]

thanks for your quick replies. I have searched the boards on this topic since my post (i know I should have done it first) and searched the internet and it looks like the following manufactors make the Marine ICB

Matterhorn

Belleville

Danner (is the acadia the same boot as the ICB?)

I believe bates manufactors them as well but they call it the Defender 8" boot anyone looked at these?
All these manufactors of the ICB price very differently, has anyone compared them? I am curious how the bates defender, if it is an ICB, compares to the Matterhorn ICB.


Thanks for the heads up on the Marine Jungle Desert Boot from Belleville, my only question about the 790 is do those boots have the drain grommets like the Marine Hot weather boot?

Also Bates footwear has been awarded the contract for the Marine Jungle Desert Boot. heres the link http://www.fashionwindows.com/visualprofiles/2002/wolverine.asp

[0802]

Matterhorns made a very limited run of ICBs for issue, although you find them in clothing sales. The majority of ICB you see in the FMF were made by Belleville. Which has become the primary contractor for the MCCUU boots, the ICB version contains Gore Tex, the hot weather boot doesn't have the Gore Tex and is made by both Bates and Belleville. I have seen hot weather boots with and without drain holes, so I am not sure that was a required item on the boots. Just like the 790s, Belleville has a close proximity to the rough out boot, the 300 series, but the only one they list on their site is the steel toed version. The Bates seemed to not be as a high quality the Belleville version.

[ReconHopeful]

How do the ICB boots compare to the hot weather/marine jungle desert boots in weight. Anybody know? Once again I am looking for a training boot that will be good to run in, and I am considering these issue boots verses the Bates 924 boot. Also has anyone compared the old issue desert boot to the knew hot weather boot or the ICB?


Is there a military issue boot that is similar to the belleville 300? It looks similar to the bates 924 but I have heard the bates boot may have durability issues. Has anyone run in a 300 series boot?

Thanks 0802 for all your help

[ReconHopeful]

Ok Wellco and Altama sell seemingly identical general issue boots, namely the jungle boots and desert boots. Wellco is about 25 dollars cheaper on their JBs and 30 dollars cheaper with their Desert Boots. Both the Wellcos and the Altamas are mil-spec which should I go for? I am looking primarily at the desert boots.

Weight?

Comfort?

Durability?

[e5wsf]

This came up earlier this year. Click here (http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=16098) .

[ReconHopeful]

yeah I looked at that thread and it kind of triggered my post. So wellco is the place for Jungle boots, but I feel that it kind of comparing apples and oranges. The tuffkusion was compared to Altama's general issue jungle boot, not the ripple sole or the sierra sole commercial boots.
For me I'm most interested in Wellco's desert issue boots verses Altama's desert issue boot. There is a 30 dollar price difference from most retailers. If they have sole DMS etc., same coolmax lining.

[e5wsf]

No idea then. Sorry

[extremetacticalgear]

Hello ReconHopeful,

I am a dealer for the Altama's and I just like them. The latest word was that they are coming out with a Desert Ripple Sole soon, and if you can wait, they would be worth having. I have a pair of the OD and can not say enough about the comfort and quality. I have talked to my representative about them also producing a Desert in the Sierra Sole. They mentioned that they would push that up the line next. If you can wait, it definately will be worth the wait.

etg

[Special Forces]

Originally posted by ReconHopeful
How do the ICB boots compare to the hot weather/marine jungle desert boots in weight. Anybody know? Once again I am looking for a training boot that will be good to run in, and I am considering these issue boots verses the Bates 924 boot. Also has anyone compared the old issue desert boot to the knew hot weather boot or the ICB?


Is there a military issue boot that is similar to the belleville 300? It looks similar to the bates 924 but I have heard the bates boot may have durability issues. Has anyone run in a 300 series boot?

Thanks 0802 for all your help


I bought a set of the ICBs from Belleville and mine are heavy, clunky and uncomfortable, in addition to having to be returned at my expense for a sizing issue.

The tongue fit was so bad I finally gave up and went back to my Rocky's and issue JBs.

Their show boots felt very light and spiffy, till I discovered that they are like, a Size 7.

I would not buy a pair without trying them on first.

Just my .02, YMMV.

[Grahmbo]

I recently bought a pair of Altama's OD Green Commercial Jungle Boots from Brigade Quartermaster. I got them in the same size I always wear, but they were very tight at the point where the cotton duck meets the upper. Once my foot hit the upper, they fit fine, but it was a minor hassle getting there. After trying them on a few times, I was so annoyed that I sent them back.

Now, I'm glad I got my money back, and I'm glad I saw this thread. It looks like I'm not the only person to have a problem with the fit of the Altama boots. I'm going to give Wellco a try.

[ReconHopeful]

Should be receiving a pair of mil spec desert boots from Altama today or tomorrow. I will let you know how they break in, fit, hold up and feel on the runs and ruck runs.

[BRT549]

I need to customize some JB's to get the "running shoe" effect. How do go about yoinking the steel shanks out of JB's? What about the toe and heel cups.

[namor]

Doesn't it kinda defeat the purpose of the boots in the first place?

[creeping death]

DIY with a really sharp knife or just take 'em to the local boot shop and have them do it fer ya.

[BRT549]

Gracias, Creeping Death. I think that I'll go the Shoe Shop route, I don't want to gash the hell out of myself, or even worse, screw-up a couple of pair of new JB's.:D

[Ranger275]

Originally posted by namor
Doesn't it kinda defeat the purpose of the boots in the first place?

Depends on what yer using them for.

[Soot]

Seriously, how does one go about customizing(?) jungle boots in the manner BRT549 originally asked? I spent 4 years in an armored Inf. unit and never had the nedd to do this before, my kicks were the treads on an M2A2. Now that I'm rucking in prep for 18X I would like to try this and don't know that there are manny cobblers (good word right?) in midtown Manhattan that would know the correct way to jury rig jungle boots. A serious answer would be greatly appriciated.

Danny

[PBR549xxx]

Soot, do a search online, there are a few companies online that you can send your boots to. They will customize them for you. Ive seen guys that had all the cardboard removed along with the steel shanks and had the sole replaced with a Nike sneaker sole. I cant remeber the company though, sorry.

[Soot]

PBR549xxx,

Thanks for the advice. Searched <this> site for "Nike" and got the following:

Thanks too to bubba for originally posting.

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bubba
brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...

Registered: Oct 2000
Location: Fort Wainwright, AK, usa
Posts: 128
Nike Air Jungle Boot....
No shit!! Just got third pair resoled from "resole.com". For like $50 bones they will put Nike soles on ordinary Mk 1 MOD O jungles.


__________________
RLTW

[Drew]

Those "rebuilds" look great and all, but I know they are unsat for Suck School. How about for SFAS?

[Alex F]

Originally posted by SAWPAC
Those "rebuilds" look great and all, but I know they are unsat for Suck School. How about for SFAS?

I was gonna say... get yourself some standard leather boots and break them in before you head to any school. Forget the go-fast soles till you get to your unit. You may be paying all this money for nothing....

Alex

[PBR549xxx]

SFAS was were I saw the jungle boots with the Nike soles.

[CWM11B]

Thanks for the info! I just returned from a L.E. school in the Ft. Bragg area and took three pairs of my old 11B transporters to Mr. Clark's shop. In on friday, out on monday and loking great with new ripple soles on all! Mr. Clark was a gentleman and a craftsman. He really knows his stuff. For any interested, he has a website www.sealashine.com He does mail order work as well as walk in. He can and will answer any questions you have about resoling and leather care.

[FDC]

Haven't been to Bragg in 3 years, but I'm on my way back.

Is Clark's a small brick building on the right? Just before General Jack's? Used to be Kim's #1 cleaners? I seem to remember an older retired WO that ran the place for a while.

[CWM11B]

Rodger that, on the right about 1/2 mile outside the Yadkin Road gate.

[FDC]

Rodger that, on the right about 1/2 mile outside the Yadkin Road gate.

Might have to stop by and check it out. Of course I've gotta find my boots first. This recruiting, and low quarters shit, is killing me.

[PSYWAR 1-0]

Thanks for posting this. I was wondering about a mailorder boot repair place. Was not looking forward to a drive to Campbell or Bragg just to get boots worked on.

[Doogie320]

I've bumped around and found some good things about both Wellcos and Bellevilles (model 390's, non-ST I think) for the desert.

My issue is that I have a pair of the black Wellco hot weather ICB and their desert model looks to be the same, only in tan. I love the fit of my Wellcos, but they are HOT. Are their tan ICB's any better for temperature? Are the Bellvilles any better? Or do I have sand in some sensitive regions?

Thank you for any light you can shed on this.

[Bohr Adam]

Get down - this is a HIJACK!

I can't help you - but I'm curious - what size are you issue leg boots and what size are your Welcos? I've been contemplating mail-ordering some and am leary due to sizing issues.

OK, Hijack is over, now will somebody help Doogie?

[Doogie320]

Adam,

My 10 1/2 W jungles fit the same as my 10 1/2 W Wellcos. The fit seems to be the same. Great boots, VERY comfortable even over rocks, just a bit warm.

[Caddy]

Bellies are no different, course when the temp in 120 in the shade, nothing is going to feel "cool".

I had bellevilles in Afghanistan and am happy to say that they took all of the punishment I could give them and are still alive to tell their grandchildren about it.

Sizes for bellevilles are relative to jungle boot sizes.

[andrew51]

I need to buy and break in a a basic pair of Infantry Combat Boots made by the company Wellco by June 27th. The problem is there is not one military exchange in my local area that still stocks the boot (including Mcguire AFB/ Ft. Dix exchange and the one at West Point), I guess because they are transitioning to the desert tan work boot, so I need to purchase this boot online. What ive basically been told is to find a store online selling them, order a pair, try them out, make sure they are fit right, and if not, send them back and try again. Im a size 10 running shoe, size 9 hiking boot abouts, with normal to moderately wide feet. would it be a good guess to try a 9.5 regular first? Also if you know any exchanges stores etc, In the NJ/ NY area that stocked this boot it would be a big help.

[Doogie320]

a51,
I own two pairs of Wellco ICB's: 1 black and 1 desert. I wear a 10 1/2 running shoe and wear a 10 1/2 W sized ICB. I wear a 10 1/2 W Altima jungle boot and a 10 1/2 W Danner hiking boot as well. So I'd say the boot runs true to size.

Break in will be done in 2-3 days, maybe less. They were the easiest boots to break in that I've ever owned. My Danners took a week. One caveat about the ICB is that it tends to get hot during the summer which is why I went with the Danners for the Afghani summers. During the winters and inclement weather I wear the ICB.

Great boot, very comfortable, but your feet will get hot in them.

Edit: I ordered mine online from their website and had them over here to my APO in 2 weeks. If you have until June I'd go that route. If there's no wear on the boots they will exchange them for you if you get the wrong size.

[WhiskeyOne]

Go to the AAFES website. There is a link to Clothing & Sales.

~John

[medicchick]

Go to the AAFES website. There is a link to Clothing & Sales.

~John

You have to be military or a dependent to use AAFES

[GackMan]

I've got a pair of 1990s vintage speed lace boots in the garage. never been worn. size 10 regular.

make me an offer I can't refuse.

[andrew51]

Hey, thanks for the info. The first place I went to was the wellco website, who actually only has the ICB with nylon uppers in models which have cosmetic problems or something, so I actually found that amazon.com sold them for some reason and picked a pair up. I have paperwork that would let me go through AAFES but im not sure how it would have worked on line, it probably would have been a big hassle.

[wickedyz]

Does anybody have a segestion for some good tactical boots that won't ruffle any feathers while on duty in the sandbox. My buddy got the Oakleys and is attached to a SF group so it flies, but I am worried about non traditional boots pissing off higher ups. I want a pair that wear like running shoes, not too hot, light, and reliable. Thanks for the help.

[mara]

What's wrong with the issue boots? I've always worn those, no problems. Not impressed with the Oakleys.

[Brandinho]

You can't go wrong with the issues. I have heard decent things about the new 5.11 boots and know guys that wear the Oakleys. I have always worn the uninsulated Danner Acadias and am on at least my 3rd or 4th pair. They resole easily and are almost like new afterwards. They just feel much more durable and comfortable. They are a bit heavy for swim quals which is why I would cheat and then wear the jungles.

[towncar]

http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?t=43887&highlight=Footwear


http://www.armyranger.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5908

http://www.armyranger.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2623

[towncar]

http://www.armyranger.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6597&sid=b2f1bc3ed8b0cb745d9dc0ccb89d4f81


http://www.armyranger.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6597&sid=b2f1bc3ed8b0cb745d9dc0ccb89d4f81http://www.armyranger.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6893&sid=b2f1bc3ed8b0cb745d9dc0ccb89d4f81

I'm not being a smart ass,just can't sleep:rolleyes:

[wickedyz]

I looked them up on the search and got back a few hundred replies and most of them were older so I wanted to get some fresh opinions of the newer boots. Thanks for the help though.

[towncar]

No sweat.I know they're kinda old threads,but....
Good luck on your search.
On a personal note,I just got a pair of Corcoran boots,7in.I'm civilian and don't know jack squat about military requirements,but damn,they are some comftorable out of the box boots.And,again,I'm a civilian and what works for me probably won't work for you.
Cove is the parent company of Corcoran/Matterhorn
Here's the site;
http://www.shoeline.com/asp/Showall.asp?Gender=Mens&DivisionCode=101&Category=Military&SubCat1=Dryz

[BrooklynBen]

If you have the $$$, HANWAG boots from Germany seem to be the finest (according to those who can afford 3 to 5 hundred for a boot) I know that you can get them through Lathrop & Sons out of Illinois.

But even if you can't afford the Hanwags, I would highly recommend that anyone who hasn't been fitted with a custom foot-bed serious think about it. Doing so saves all sorts of wear and tear on the joints and translates to less fatigue.

I know that the Lathrops are full time podiatrists who specialize in building custom foot-beds for their patients, including diabetics who have special needs when it comes to foot-beds. Their foot-beds are constructed with a proprietary foam used for these special medical foot-beds. Using this technology, they have been able to crossover into hunting and military boots, by building custom foot-beds specifically for these needs.

The Lathrops are passionate about boots and foot-beds. When ordering the custom foot-beds. You will have to send a tracing of your feet, along with digital photos, and fill out a questionnaire that asks things like what type of use, and if you have any particular foot problems. These guys are dead serious when it comes to building their custom foot-beds.

They have a website at www.lathropandsons.com or call them at 618-544-7312 and ask for Stephen. I had custom 'inserts' before, but their work is a significant improvement.

Hanwag boots can be found at this site http://www.hanwag.co.uk

[Doogie320]

Wellco ICB's. A little warm on the feet, but the best boots I've ever owned.

[ScoutSweet]

remember when we weren't "sponsored". hmm the ole jungles and Isreali chuck taylors. In Somalia the issued Jungles kinda sucked until we got the padded tops, I would have worn those padded tops to church. Botach tacticle had those adidas for cheap... 'cause they were. Issues breathable deserts these days seem to do the trick. When it got up to 140 flippin degrees the boots were rotting.... along with the feet, didnt see to many lifers--which I am so back off-- saying to much about white socks.

[BrooklynBen]

"Military Morons" just did a great review of the footbeds and one style of the Hanwags. http://www.militarymorons.com/equipment/footwear2.html The code for viewing pictures is alway "MM".

[ScoutSweet]

I am still in shock at the Corps for moving into a non polishing boot.. that isnt black baking from the sun.

[0699]

After having worn the new Marine Corps Combat Boot (MCCB) for the last year, I highly recommend it. It's comfortable, lightweight, and for the cost, it's worth the money.

S/F.
0699

[ECHO6GOLF]

After having worn the new Marine Corps Combat Boot (MCCB) for the last year, I highly recommend it. It's comfortable, lightweight, and for the cost, it's worth the money.


I agree. I wore the new boot for 20 months total in Iraq and I didnt have any complaints about it. My buddy wore the Oakley boot and on his first mission a nail went right throught the bottom. He was issued those from Force, but they ended up in the trash. It would be a shame to spend money on a boot that couldnt hold up in a less then sanitary area.

G

[misisipiboy]

Can anyone give me some advice? I'm a sailor, but I went TAD and got issued some Army boots at Benning. I like 'em, but they squeek when I walk. The back of my heels rub against the leather in the back of the boot. Has any of you Army dudes ever had that problem and know how to fix it? Spanks in advance.:D

[SOTB]

The back of your heels rub? I would think that instead of "sqeaking" that this would chaffe the hell out of you and give you huge blisters. But maybe I am reading this wrongly and misunderstanding you.

If it is the general "squeak" associated with walking, I would suggest this is a problem of the floor surface against the sole of your boot.

Again, maybe I am misunderstanding you....

[misisipiboy]

Maybe I haven't worn em long enought to get blisters, just a couple weeks. The fit may be wrong, I dunno. I can feel it rub in the back when I raise my heel. I tried duct tape, no dice. I guess I have wierd feet. I'm gonna try different materials but other than that I'm at a loss.

[B 2/75]

Throw your army issue boots into a bucket of hot water. Let them soak for an hour. Then put them on and walk them dry. Be sure that you've got them laced up completely and tightly. After doing this a couple of times they will have conformed themselves nicely to your feet, and you shouldn't have any more problems.

[TPD1280]

If they are rubbing, it sounds like the fit is improper. You may wear a size 10 in one manufacturers boots, but a 10.5 in anothers, and a 9.5 in sneakers.

The squeak may be caused by the leather. To solve that, get em sopping wet (like in the shower) then saddle soap the shit out of 'em and wear them until they are dry.

Like SOTB said, the squeak may also be caused by the soft rubber soles on a hard surface. Have the soles replaced if you so desire. There is a shoe/boot repair shop at most Army PX's, and several off-post if there are ground troops at that installation. I don't know if the same service is available at a BX.

[misisipiboy]

Thanks everyone for the time and advice. I'll give em a soak.:)

[Mex_ros]

I have a pair of Beleville military boots and i wanted to ask if i can put seal wax on them for more water protection. Some say that wax is not good for goretex. What's your opinion?

[wickedyz]

Putting wax on your boots will defeat the purpose of the gore-tex. They are already water-proof, if not you have some manufacture defect boots. Most likely you just have some perspiration in your boots. Try different socks that wick better. Waxing them will not allow the gore-tex to breath and will cause your problem to get worse. If the boots are actually allowing water in then you can try to get the manufacture to take them back and replace them or you can get ahold of Gore industries. They guarantee everything with their name even if the company that used their product does not, including if they go out of business or they do not distibute in America anymore ala Moonstone.

[13FOXCOLT]

I have used Snow Seal On "Gore-Tex" lined boots to keep the leather from drying out , it won't clog the pores in the leather like other waxs so the "Gore -Tex" liner can still breath and sweat vapor can still escape .There are other products on the market that are designed for "Gore-Tex" lined leather boots. I believe the Danner Boot Company has their on brand.

[13FOXCOLT]

I rememeber breaking my first pair in by walking long distances through mud and creeks in the rain and sleet. They fit great after a few weeks and they never squeeked after that.

[RANGER52]

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any good boots to take over to the sandbox (hiking boots if possible). I have a pair of Vasque's that I really like, but am looking for another pair. Just wanted to see if theres anything better.

[Olive Drab]

Merrel sawtooths

[Silverbullet]

Any light wt hiker or even trail running shoes would work. Stay away from anything that will hold heat during the summer.

[Carpe Noctem]

I wore Danner desert acadias while I was there, but if you're looking for a hiking style I'd second the Merrels.

[RANGER52]

Ya'll ever hear of the Garmont Flash XCR?

[OSU]

Probably the most comfortable boot I've ever worn is M-9 by Bates. Not necessarily the most rugged on the market, but they are tough and comfortable as all hell.

[Oneway]

The Bates M-9's look comfortable as hell...and highly recommended here...

But my question is:

If money was not an object, and you'all could get any boot you wanted in unlimited supply...

What boot would it be?

I want to get my son two pairs of boots to rotate...

He is presently in BAC and will be home on leave after that. I would like to have them when he comes home...

=====================

[Jimbo]

Ya'll ever hear of the Garmont Flash XCR?


I have a pair of them and find them to be too hot even around here.

[RANGER52]

So, I guess everyone likes the Sawtooth huh?

[pitbull03]

I have a pair of the sawtooths, but they don't see much action. I prefer the Asolo FSN 95GTX. They are gortex but my feet don't sweat as much in them as they do in my sawtooth boots. http://www.asolo.com/content.asp?L=3&idMen=187

[wickedyz]

For hot weather I would avoid anything Gore-tex. Scarpa makes a bad ass hiking boot that is handmade and indestructable. It is under $200 as well, not bad for the quailty. I can't remember the name, but I will try to put it up later. Anything Asolo rocks, and Lowa also makes some great boots. If you guys didn't know Hanwag boots and Lowa come from the same family. The owners are brothers and they share a lot in their designs. Get Ingenious socks, they will make any boot better.

[CombatWombat]

I love my Bellville 390 DES boots. They've got a new one, the 340 DES that's made with a Nomex blend (See Underarmor (http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?t=59115&highlight=underarmor) thread for Nomex=Good.) and X-static lining. That X-static stuff is great, at least in the socks.

Mine did 364 in the desert and I'm still wearing them now. Sweet.

http://www.bellevilleshoe.com/bootseries/340despub.html

[DY]

......I prefer the Asolo FSN 95GTX. They are gortex but my feet don't sweat as much in them as....... http://www.asolo.com/content.asp?L=3&idMen=187 Concur. Best all around boot I've ever owned.

[glassiam]

has anyone tried the danner hiking boots. I am trying to decide between them and the merrell hikers for over here. Note: it's getting hot, so that would play a part in my choice. Thanks for any input.

[Jong]

Merell Ventilators are awesome during the summer. Used them there last year and they worked great.

Has anyone here tried the new blackhawk boots?

Anyone used these boots it is hard to beat this price!
www.lapolicegear.com/5tahbo.html

[davis]

I'd go with danners. stay away from blackhawk they outsource quality. Do we really need our enemies making our boots btw???

[Merc82nd]

Has anyone heard of HIAX? Not sure if I spelled it right, it's a German company that supposedly makes boots for GSG-9 and their other units. I meet some old school SF cat (and current law enforcement instructor) wearing them while I was in New Orleans and he seemed to like them quite well. However, I lost the web address and am a horrible "googler", just wondering if anyone has experience with this company.

[sf-doc]

The Oakley's arn't bad either. My .02 cents

Doc

[Silverbullet]

davis fill out your profile prior to posting again.

[Jong]

The Oakley's arn't bad either. My .02 cents

Doc

My experience is that they fall apart pretty easily, are really hot, and the traction isn't that good.

[Doogie320]

I have a set of Danner hiking boots, something with a Gore-Tex liner. Good stuff, they are going on month 15 without any major issues.

[Sparky-KB]

I'm wearing the Oakleys in Afghanistan right now. I can tell they aren't gonna last me too long though. Haven've even taken em up in the mountains yet and they are already showing signs of falling apart. Comfortable? Yeah. They feel like tennis shoes pretty much. They actually have a decent amount of ankle support for being as short as they are. They are pretty much just gonna be my "cool guy" boots for bummin around FOBs and whatnot. Gotta find something better for the mountains though.

[Chis1]

Jong good site thanks bro, BlackHawk seems to adjust to the fellars on the ground, check out the Thread.

http://www.blackhawk.com/product_catalog.asp?cat_id=157&d=

[Duncan]

I have a set of Danner hiking boots, something with a Gore-Tex liner. Good stuff, they are going on month 15 without any major issues.

I agree with Doogie. I have been sporting a pair of Danners with a lightwieght Gor-Tex liner for about a year and have put over 1000 miles on them. There are a few cracks in the leather from repeated soaking and drying, and the soles are about worn flat. The liner probably makes them a little warmer in the summer, but it helps if your going to be crossing any creeks, or moving early when theres a heavy dew. They aren't great winter boots, but if you find yourself in snow or frost they beat the hell out of a boot that doesnt have the Gore-Tex liner. There are relativly light, and dry out fast. Even as "broken in" as there are they arent broke down yet. My one complaint is the soles.... I didn't like the tread pattern, I busted my ass more than once because they didn't get a good bite on a slope. I'm more fond of the Vibram sole on my Hanwags, or the Terra Force sole on my winter Danners.

Just my 2 cents....

[tony762]

I have a quick question, what is the 'best' way to break in suede boots?

I oil all my boots, but ive never been issued suede.

Thanks

[Militaryman94]

Has anyone heard of HIAX? Not sure if I spelled it right, it's a German company that supposedly makes boots for GSG-9 and their other units. I meet some old school SF cat (and current law enforcement instructor) wearing them while I was in New Orleans and he seemed to like them quite well. However, I lost the web address and am a horrible "googler", just wondering if anyone has experience with this company.

The Irish Military gets them Issued.I have mine about 4 months now and like them alot too.very comfortable.You have spelled it incorrectly BTW.the HAIX wouldn't be suitable for the Sand Box but these would be Idealhttp://www.armynnavy.com/catalog/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/70/products_id/2043?osCsid=35d48a014e84c78e1f26cb29847ca41a

[Fofo]

Real close on the spelling - It's Haix :)

US Cavalry sells a few of the products on their site, have a look here if interested:


http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productid=8273&TabID=1&CatID=5230


Company site:


http://www.haix.de/en/produktstart.php?
PHPSESSID=973e53aef6849d06c90189cdfa8ae2f7

[EATIII]

Never saw those Haix's before,they look like their worth a look.Those Danner Hiking Boots are those the GTX(TFX) ones.Didn't I see a post w/someone from 1st Batt saying they switched to those.My .02 is they are good to go.

[Argyll 50]

Just got a pair of the BHI boots, the mesh lets your feet breathe,and a good flow of air through, I stopped wearing my Oakleys as they were giving me really bad Athletes foot, despite using sprays and powders.....I have a pair of Merrell's inbound as I write this.....mesh too......damn it's hotter than hell here down in the South.

[UBIQUE]

I avoid the sports boots and buy Hi-Tec Magnum Amazon Desert or Blackhawk Warriorwear (lighter). Then simply lace them high or low - you may need the full ankle support at times.

[BOFH]

I am told these are great boots...but will they be acceptable in uniform? Doesn't seem like the color matches really well, and having never been to the sandbox, I dunno how anal they might get about things like that. I'm shipping over in SEP for the Navy Induvidual Augmentee program. Don't know what part yet. Anyway...if someone could let me know whether these boots will be acceptable for a Squid in uniform, please do so.

[Xdeth]

These were hands down the worse Merrells I've ever owned, fell apart big time at the sole, more then a few folks that have had them say the same, could have been the batch though. I have had 4 seperate models of Merrells, two the same model but I count them seperately as they were slightly updated between purchases. I did a review of the Merrell Chameleons here. (http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?t=46816&highlight=merrell). Danner Agaitators and the Asolos get really good marks for wear in the sand from people that have them. I had some Lowas with black toes like the Danners do and it did get a bit toasty in the sun.

[KS11]

Asolo Fugitive GTX. Lightweight, but very stable. Gore-Tex liner, but they don't seem to be too hot for me. Met 3-4 other guys who have also worn them, and they swear by them.

[richsdreamn]

anybody know or have any opinions on the converse desert boots?

[Para]

Merrell Sawtooth's, I absolutely love them. Me and a couple other guys wore them exclusively traversing the mountains in Afghanistan. I prefer them over the other Merrells for that enviornment because of the depth of the sole. I am hesitant to try some of the other lighter weight ones in that enviornment. I will say, when I buy a pair for over-there, I do not expect them to survive any longer then 6 months given the rocky terrain.

Regarding Oakleys, Addidas, 5.11, and any other assault boot for desert enviornment, one needs to remember that those boots are designed and built for urban assault work. They are NOT an "any terrain" boot. You take them off-road and you had better expect them to have reduced traction and fall apart quicker then a normal combat boot.

[psyopranger]

I have a quick question, what is the 'best' way to break in suede boots?

I oil all my boots, but ive never been issued suede.

Thanks

Get them soaking wet, full of water, then put them on and do a road march.


My vote is for the 5.11 Tactical Assault Boots, Desert. - Like oakleys only look more normal.

[tony762]

Get them soaking wet, full of water, then put them on and do a road march.


My vote is for the 5.11 Tactical Assault Boots, Desert. - Like oakleys only look more normal.


Ok cool, thats what I did, thanks :)

[Andre]

I like the Meindl Deserts

[slipfirep40]

the tan garmont jungle boots in the soc store are breatheable and very comfy.

[iraqgunz]

Check the REI Monarchs that are actually made for them by Merrell. Also, my Merrell Sawtooths held up damn good. But, I also rotated my boots. As a matter of fact I am wearing at the moment.

[tentoesup]

My feet sweat alot, and I got foot rot easy. I use Merrel ventilators in hot weather, plus a lot of foot poweder..

[TheBigC]

I agree that the Asolo is the best boot out there, bar none- but it is the most expensive. I have several pairs of these.

As for the Merrils's -great price and holds up well in the mountains of Afganistan, but you stand out wearing them around Joes (if that is a issue with you).

The Oakley ones look cool, especially the new 8" high ones, but they are garrison boots not intended for patrols or anything you feet might sweat. They hold up for crap in any enviroment and sperate real easily after a short time. Over priced, IMHO.

But the best I have seen in the Bates M-9 ($100+/-) http://www.batesfootwear.com/Catalog/buydetail.asp?rnd=4324257&NavID=M:B&ProductID=10134&SizeTypeID=M&NavType=undefined
They took the time to listen to certain people and build a boot that people really wanted. I am amazed how light they are and cool (heat wise) they are. I also really groove the special attention they paid to the ankle protection and support, real comfortable.

Unlike the other boots above, I have not actually worn the 5.11 HRT boots, but have seen several pairs and they look like decent boots with no frills; but they are over $160.

[CATAtonic426]

An SF sergeant described the 5.11 HRTs to me as walking with cinder blocks strapped to your feet. Not impressed... However, the Bates M9s ROCK! I could wear them every day. I picked up 2 sets on Pope AFB for $85 a pair.

[arc487]

asolos or merrells (if your COC lets you wear them) if your going into the mountains.

[TerribleTed]

They aren't "SpecOps", but does anyone use the plain old bates or bellevilles? I did, they worked just fine. No sense in spending lots of cash on boots that don't hold together as well as the issued variety.

[CATAtonic426]

I was issued the desert Altama h/w & the Wellco gore-tex at basic. Both work great, no complaints, got a few miles on 'em... and they're still going strong. The M9s are more comfy though.

[Lawbringer]

Hi, not new to the board. Joined pre 2000. Lost my account details.

I would recommend Original Swat Sierras in Tan. Good value half boot with excellent lifespan for desert conditions.

[CATAtonic426]

Was walking on wood floor the other day in my Altamas, noticed they squeak... seems to be a common problem with lots of boots...

[EOD Ghost]

I'm currently wearing the Bates M6 boots, a little hot in the desert, but agree they are super comfortable with a set of insoles thrown in (I've got jacked up arches though, so I always need a little extra support).

A buddy of mine is wearing the Asolos out here and loves 'em

Cheers Mate

[CATAtonic426]

Noticed a major around here sportin' a set of those with his winter pts. He spent some time in the afghan mountains.

[low country]

A buddy of mine is wearing the Asolos out here and loves 'em

Cheers Mate

Had a buddy in Afghanistan that wore the Asolos in the mountains and another buddy who wore them in Iraq (Urban environment). Both speak highly of them.

Be safe

[tony762]

Scarpa makes a bad ass hiking boot that is handmade and indestructable. It is under $200 as well, not bad for the quailty. .


Is this the Scarpa you meant? (http://www.sierratradingpost.com/product.aspx?baseno=72642&CN=Scarpa-SL-M3-Hiking-Boots-For-Men)

[CATAtonic426]

Anyone used the newest Oakley Hot Weather Assault boots?

https://www.usstandardissue.com/boots.aspx

[Sniper111]

Ive used the 6" hot weathers for a while now and they have held up great- to include stomping around NOLA in the mud.

[JCastro]

I have two pairs of Oakleys that are over a year and a half old. One pair in black and one tan. I have worn them every day and all over Iraq. They are holding up very well and you would never know they are that old. No seperating at all. I have always heard of others falling apart. And they are not that expensive through their Military/Government purchase program. They have always been very helpful if I need to deal with them on the phone too. They are the only thing I will wear. I have had all kinds of good boots issued but they are all sitting at home collecting dust!!!

[CATAtonic426]

Thanks for that info. Wow, completely 180* from everything I've heard previously. Most of the Assault boots are now being made in the US it seems, and they say those are a much better quality boot. I assume that the boots previously issued to the SF guys and HALO teams were of the SI variety which are made overseas. I see a lot of them around my unit, everyone seems to like them! Do they still require 8" boots in the 'box? I heard that was a limiting factor for some people with the original Oakleys.

[JCastro]

I am not Military so I don't know about those requirements. But at the link that you listed above they have both 8" and 6" boots. I have only used the 6"". I think they are the most comfortable boots or shoes that I have ever worn. But thats just my opinion. I would say that of everyone that I work with, maybe about 2 out of about 75 guys have had quality problems. They just contacted Oakley and they switched them out without any problem. Good luck! That is just my experience and my observation of those around me.

https://www.usstandardissue.com/boots.aspx

[Massgrunt]

Guys I knew that had the Oakleys loved them. My Danner Agitators felt like sneakers, but the fabric eyelets broke within a couple of months. They replaced them (a year after I bought them) with a similar pair, no fabric eyelets, which I think they discontinued. I like the new ones, and love the new Merrels I have, thugh I forget the model. Neither of the new boots has been subjected to Iraq yet.

[CATAtonic426]

Thanks for the info! Good stuff. What is the advantage of the hiking boots vs. combat or assault boots?

[VMI_Marine]

the tan garmont jungle boots in the soc store are breatheable and very comfy.

I wore Garmont T8s on the last deployment, and loved them. Shitloads of foot patrols through mud and irrigation canals and they performed great. Drainage was good, which was important in the Jazirah, and they were very light (which becomes important about klick 8 on a 120 degree day). I found them a little difficult to pull on and off, and the laces didn't tighten quite as easily as your typical "speed lace" boots, but very minor and acceptable compromises in my book.

[Ned&StacyFan]

Hey Everyone,

I'm looking for a new pair of duty boots and I was hoping someone here could give me their .02 worth on anything out there.
Here's the criteria; waterproof, light & I'll be on my feet for 16hrs at a clip, so they must keep my heels from getting sore (Something that wears like a cross-trainer.)
I currently have a pair of original swat all leather/gore-tex & they just don't wear all that well. I had a pair of magnums, same thing, only less comfortable. Ok, well if anyone here can help me out on this one I'd appreciate it and happy 4th!


Cheers,
N&SF

[Massgrunt]

I can't give you an exact model, mine don't fit that criteria, but I'd take a look at Merrell's.

[weasel0311]

I'm on my second pair of Danner Acadia's and about ready to order a third. After about a week they break in real nice. The longest I've had them on at a time is 12 hours. The only thing I added was a pair of Dr. Scholl's type inserts.

[ccorgr175]

...Danner Striker GTX - 8" Boot.

You can google to read the specs...I think they match what you are looking for.

Longest on my feet...32 hours - through rain and shine. They worked.


2%

[auto50048]

Have you looked into the "Rocky Tanker?'' It's the most comfortable boot I've ever worn. I buy a new pair every couple of years, but I still own my originals from 1998. They are somewhere around $100.

[auto50048]

Ok, scratch that. They have changed the name to the "Paraboot." I get the 10 inch model. And they have raised the price a bit. Here is a link.


http://www.rockyboots.com/Products/details.aspx?productId=4361&lehighproductId=1600FQ0002090&PageNo=5&subCatId=108&CatId=107

[Sharky]

I've had good luck with Oakley and the 5.11 boots.

[murphy j]

The most comfortable boots I have ever owned were a pair of Danners.

[Ned&StacyFan]

Ok, thanks everyone for tossing out those ideas and now that I have a better idea of what to look for I can start narrowing things down.



Later,
N&SF

[Massgrunt]

I loved my Danner Acadias, but the fabric eyelets wore out in no time flat, making them $110 flip flops.

EDIT: Danner replaced them for free with another model, great service. No receipt, a year+ after I bought them.

[NAMECHECK]

Check out Raichle of Switzerland. Best boots on the market, and you can hump right out of the box, so to speak.

[Ned&StacyFan]

Hey Everyone,

Finally got my hands on a pair of boots I really like (Bates) & I seem to remember a while back someone posting info on how to properly break-in new boots. The post had something to do with walking around with them in cold water and after they dried, rubbing vaseline into the leather to further soften it, or something to that effect.
Anyway, I tried searching for the thread-in-question, but was unable to find it. Could anyone here lend me their .02c worth on the above mentioned topic?


Cheers,
N&SF

[low country]

http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?t=59253

Scroll through this. It had some tips about getting your boots wet.

Be safe

[B 2/75]

x2... get them wet, and walk them dry. Repeat a few times, and they'll be nice and conformal to yer feet.

Note that walking a pair of boots dry will take a full day and more. Sitting at an office chair won't do, either. Git out there and hump.

[Scorpion6]

The Army, Corrections, and twelve years in construction taught me many things, but the best thing that I ever learned was taking care of my feet.

New boots= Get in the shower with them on, find a parking lot (newer=better) that you can see mirages on, walk the boots dry. Repeat, if needed.

[Ned&StacyFan]

Ok,

Thanx everyone for the input, seeing as how temps will be in the high 80's for the rest of the week, this shouldn't be a problem.


Cheers,
N&SF

[snaquebite]

Boot Stretch....Liquid Spray....actually works better than water IMHO...
Spray the insides...wear the boots til dry and they will be form fitted to your foot.

[Expatmedic]

I know they are big and heavy, but very comfortable had them 10 years now. They have been to Asia, the ME, and on rescues in rain and snow in the sierra's. IMHO pricy but worth it.

[OS3]

I have been wearing the Converse C8894 Composite Toe for two years and love them. Run, hike, they have great off road traction on rocks, sand, water and snow. Extremely comfortable right out of the box. Bought the same in black and they were made in China, not as comfortable, the inner zipper flaps are one-piece and dig in your ankle after just a few steps.
Anyway, I just ordered the Rocky S2V's anyone with experience in these?

[Balls]

Does anybody have experience with: (for use in the sandbox)

Merrell Passage Ventilator: http://www.merrell.com/Product/NZGP/Mens-Active-Footwear/Hiking/Mens/Passage-Ventilator.aspx

or

Merrell Moab Ventilator Mid: http://www.merrell.com/Product/NZGP/Mens-Active-Footwear/Hiking/Mens/Passage-Ventilator.aspx

I hear the Sawtooth is great, but these appear to have more ventilation.

[McTavish]

one word...LOWA

[sierraseven]

I just got a pair of Danner TFXs, wearing them for the first time today. So far I like 'em a lot - but Danners always have fit me real well.

I haven't put anything on them - with the black boots I always used to get them warm, like in an oven or on a room heater, melt a can of Sno-seal in a pan of hot water, paint it on the leather, let it soak in while keeping them warm, keep doing that until the leather wouldn't absorb any more. Then kiwi or that black Danner boot dressing. Put 'em on and wear 'em. I never really liked the water method - just my opinion.

S7

[Husker19D30]

I just got a pair of Danner TFXs, wearing them for the first time today. So far I like 'em a lot - but Danners always have fit me real well.

I haven't put anything on them - with the black boots I always used to get them warm, like in an oven or on a room heater, melt a can of Sno-seal in a pan of hot water, paint it on the leather, let it soak in while keeping them warm, keep doing that until the leather wouldn't absorb any more. Then kiwi or that black Danner boot dressing. Put 'em on and wear 'em. I never really liked the water method - just my opinion.

S7

I wore TFX's through most of my 16 month tour. Very comfy, but felt a bit warm in the summer so I bought a pair of Oakleys (I miss my CZTE $$). Had good luck with them as well. The Oakleys actually clean up a bit easier than the Danners.

[CombatWombat]

FYI, Natick has me wearing a pair of Danner Talus GTX boots in 6.5" height around the mountains to test them out along with some other troops. Three season boot, so far pretty decent. Too short, though, and a little hot at times. The sole has been sticky enough on this east coast rock, but slips on wet, hard surfaces. Not the best perfomer in road march conditions, but very nice out tromping in the woods. Decent ankle support, breaks in quickly. I think if they do an 8" I'd be happy.

[heavyguns1/1]

I've had a pair of Blackhawk Black Ops for over a year. Light and comfortable. Very easy to run in. The toe and heel are rubber coated and the tread is great.
We just got issued HAIX boots. I ran in them once and hated it. Never had them before. I have a 8 year old pair of Danners that are great too. When I get them broken in I'll post my findings.

[tnkspe119]

I was told that I have to Black lace up dress shoes for my new position in the middle east, as well as dress khakis...anyone know of good dress shoes that will stand up to the elements and make the cut as dress shoes?:confused::confused:

[BigZippo]

OTB boots anyone? Good/Bad?

[low country]

OTB boots anyone? Good/Bad?

I have a buddy who got their original OTB's issued from the Teams and he liked them. They wore well for their missions and performed as advertised. I actually spoke with him to get feed back on their new land based versions, but he had only worn their true OTB boots. I spoke with the company and they seem squared away and eager to help. The price is not bad either.

If someone has worn their new boots, I would also appreciate a review.

Here is a link to a pretty good review of the boots.
http://www.militarymorons.com/equipment/footwear2.html#otbland

[TX teacher]

Okay, with all of the different boots out there I am totally blown away as to what I'm looking for. I'm looking to spend no more than about $130 on a pair and I do like the Oakley's.

As a teacher, I spend all day (or most of it) on my feet walking around. I'm not into dress shoes, but really do prefer hiking or combat style boots. Does anyone have suggestions for boots that look decent with khaki slacks, yet are really comfy for walking on hard surfaces?

God I hope this doesn't sound like a newbie/idiot question.

[grappler]

Okay, with all of the different boots out there I am totally blown away as to what I'm looking for. I'm looking to spend no more than about $130 on a pair and I do like the Oakley's.

As a teacher, I spend all day (or most of it) on my feet walking around. I'm not into dress shoes, but really do prefer hiking or combat style boots. Does anyone have suggestions for boots that look decent with khaki slacks, yet are really comfy for walking on hard surfaces?

God I hope this doesn't sound like a newbie/idiot question.

Check out the Merrell website posted a few posts above your's. You're bound to find something you'll like there.

I'm wearing the Chameleon II Stretch right now in Iraq. Comfort level is awesome, they look good in jeans, khaki's, pretty much anything and work great in a lot of different environments. I have also seen more color variations than the two on that site.

[DrlSgt]

I'm in Iraq walking around and Merrell Moab Ventilator is the way to go. I brought my sawtooth but it does ventilate as the moab...


You can't beat it. Its comfortable and very cool.....Its worth the price, about 90 bucks, but still worth the price.

[P2A]

Anything Merrell, is top notch and extremely comfortable. I used the Sawtooth in Iraq, they dont breath very well but extremely comfortable and good support. Another boot to look at is the Garmont T8. They look like a standard combat boot, but feel like tennis shoes. Very durable very comfortable boot. They seem to outlast the other comfortable desert boots out there like the Blackhawk or Oakley. They arnt too expensive either, their like 119$. If you get them at extreme outfitters use the discount code VIP10. Itll save you 10%.

[heavyguns1/1]

The HAIX broke in pretty quickly considering that they are pretty stiff when new. Still not the best for running though. They are combat boot clunky. My blackhawks are starting to peel on the toe.

[Virgil Tibbs]

Any word on the OTB boots?

[BRC]

I've been looking for a black hiking style boot to use in LE tactical operations. I am currently using a pair of Garmont T6 that are very nice but I have been trying to find another set of possibly lighter boots with the same breath- ability.

I've looked in REI, Garmont, Merrill and as many other of these types makers but have seen many other colors (grey, tan and combinations of both) but nothing in black so far.

Thanks in advance,

BRC

[Gamer747]

I'm also looking for a OTB review/recommendation for there 6" shoe the Bushmaster.

Anyone tried these yet?

[CA SGT]

LOWA GTX is a great boot...Worn them now on two different rotations up in the mountains

[BRC]

CA SGT,

Thanks, it figures it those would be on the REI site after I posted that I checked. I must have surfed right by them...I will check them out..

BRC

[Doc Bravo]

Ok Guys, I have a question for you.

I'm heading out to Colorado for a week of camping and hiking with the wife. (very cool chick, loves the outdoors) 5 days on the trail. 35-50 lb packs

I have been used to the typical issued full leather uppers (cadillacs), jungle boots, desert boots etc. So, I'm kinda leaning towards maybe purchasing a pair of Acadia Danners. I have a bad ankle I rolled a few times, so I'm concerned the lowcut civilian type boots won't give me the support.

However, I want to buy the best gear for what I'm going to do.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[adk]

Gamer747; check out lightfighter.net there are a bunch of positive comments from current users. I just received a pair of the Abyss today. Very nice until I looked inside the tongue; MADE IN CHINA. I hope they hold up. You can also check www.militarymorons.com for some great pics and detailed reviews.

[LawrenceDestefano]

The only military type boot I wear is the Bates USMC Lightweight Boot I get through Quantico Boot. These boots are the lightest and most comfortable I’ve ever worn. The outer sole feels like the soft shock absorbent rubber found on high quality running shoes. I also like the Bates last the boots are constructed on. It provides for a smaller toe box and overall narrower fit then most other boot companies. I don’t have narrow feet, I just think most companies make their standard width (D) wider.

The only complaint I have is that on every pair, over time, the inside lining around the heel counter separates from the boot. So when you slide your heel out it tugs and drags the separated lining with it, causing it to bunch up over your heel. Now you've got a stuck heel half way up the shaft. To release it you have to stick your finger in the boot and work the lining back down under the heel. This isn’t fun when your feet are wet.

Has this happened to anyone else?

Is this military issue to USMC or any military personnel?

http://images.wolverineworldwide.com/is/image/bulk/2006/3/9/BTS-W50501-04-yR.psd.fpx?op_usm=0.5,1&wid=683&hei=636&qlt=95&fmt=jpeg"]http://images.wolverineworldwide.com/is/image/bulk/2006/3/9/BTS-W50501-04-yR.psd.fpx?op_usm=0.5,1&wid=683&hei=636&qlt=95&fmt=jpeg

Also, there have been postings on this thread about another training boot described as the 924 Navy SEAL Boot. I went to the Bates site and saw no boot listed by that name. The picture below is the only boot on the site that references SEALS, and is described as the Tropical SEALS DuraShocks® Boot.

Can someone confirm if this is the same boot, or is there another 924 Navy SEAL Boot?

Thanks for the help.

http://images.wolverineworldwide.com/is/image/bulk/2004/9/27/BTS-W922-04-y.psd.fpx?op_usm=0.5,1&wid=683&hei=636&qlt=95&fmt=jpeg

[Certa Cito]

I hope it's okay to add my opinion here, and although my recommendation doesn't directly answer the original question about 'waterproof tactical boots', it's seems that this topic has evolved slightly:

ALTBERG SNEEKER (http://www.altberg.co.uk/Web/military_SneekerOr.jsp)

Now, these may be hard for the non-Brits of this community to get a hold of, a quick look on Altberg's web site doesn't mention international shipping, but I'm sure they would be happy to post their boots anywhere in the world - if not, I'd be more than happy to help out someone who wants a pair, and foward them on.

Now, you hear blokes go on and on about Lowa boots all the time, and don't get me wrong, they're damned good boots, and I've done more miles with weight on my back in my Lowa Combat GTX than any other boot, but they're just so heavy and chunky. A good friend of mine recommended the Altberg brand to me, although I'd already heard of them, and seen a few of their models, and decided to get the Sneeker. I consider the money spent on them to be one of the best investments I've ever made - I've done some serious miles in them, including all over the Black Mountains and the Brecon Beacons in Wales, and they've performed outstandingly. I find them very supple, provide decent flexibility, they're made of good quality leather, have good shock absorption, and probably most important in my eyes, they're lightweight, but can still take a pounding. My one criticism would be that the ankle isn't as well supported as I might like, but that's just the way the boots are designed, and it's a trade-off between that and weight and flexibility.

I have the Original Mk I type, with no waterproof lining, and a semi-leather tongue, but they also make an 'Aqua' version, which is full-leather and Sympatex lined. Check out the rest of Altberg's products, they have a whole range of boots.

I definitely think if you're looking for a new set of boots that you want to cover some serious distance in, and you've got the money and are willing to deal internationally, they're worth every penny, or cent.

[Notahappyguy100]

Here is my advice. Once you found the boot to suit your mission, get these insoles if you have a medium to high arch. 12 to 14 hours standing wont be so bad with these...

http://www.footsmart.com/product.aspx?productid=3237&mr:trackingCode=4BDD8750-A3F4-DE11-BAE3-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA&srccode=WBGOOGLE&sisearchengine=55&siproduct=affiliate&clearppc=1&cm_mmc=Perf-_-k232270-_-na-_-na