Deployment Medicine DMOC AAR

[Silverbullet]

The Deployment Medicine International (www.deploymentmedicine.com) Deployment Medicine Operators Crse (DMOC) is the best and most realistic immediate casualty response training I’ve ever received.

The crse is 4 days long and was held at a closed location in VA. Below is a snapshot of the training modules followed by my thoughts.

T1-T3
Introduction to operational medicine
The combat casualty mortality curve
Combat casualty care-care under fire-tactical filed care
Combat casualty evacuation care
The ladder of wound management
Tourniquets
Hemostatic agents Quik clot, Hemcon
Airway management/assessment
Nasopharyngeal Airway placement
Surgical airway
Respiration-sucking chest wound-tension pneumo thorax-flail chest
Shock
Combat casualty assessment
Tactical field care
Medical implications of blast
Burns
Wound care
Pain management
Vehicle conundrums

T-4
FTX

Deployment medicine is staffed with a who’s who of SOF medical experience. They all maintain relevancy by working in the worlds hotspots.

The classes were taught in a professional easy paced manner. Deployment Medicine offers actual hands on experience with every type of wound and airway problem which must be solved by the student. Each period of instruction was followed by practice on multiple real training aids. Every type of tourniquet was used as well as actual hemostatic agents applied to wounds. All students got to do this as well as insert a NPA in their buddy and have one inserted in them. (thanks Gerry, LOL) Deployment Medicine stresses that massive bleeding, lack of air and tension pneumo thorax are the 3 top killers on the battlefield. With that in mind they drilled the procedures on how to handle each continously as well as provided training aids to put the skills to use. This includes at least 2 surgical airways being done as well as downed shooter drills and the extraction of casualty’s from vehicles while under fire.

During my 29 yrs of profession life I have treated a number of gunshot and blast wounds. I had also received what I considered very high level medical training. None of this prepared me in the manner the training I undertook at DMOC has. While the first three days could have stood alone as an outstanding learning experience the FTX took it to another level. Sensitive in nature the FTX provided 12 hrs of continuous hands on casualty care in a field environment. At the end of the training day every student had participated in the process of treating multiple massive bleeding wounds, surgical airway and other assorted traumatic issues needed for casualty survival.

I've already recommended it to a guys I know working in different USG groups and forward deployed companies. I am not being over dramatic when I state this training should be mandatory for anyone working downrange. I see many dudes spending money on firearms training over and over while half stepping their medical training. I also see a few who try to get good medical training which turns out to be a crse using plastic dummies with lots of IV practice thrown in. That isn't what I would want to spend my cash on. We all know that the doc isn't always there or he may be the casualty. This training will take you to levels where everyone should be.



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[BKK]

SB or KATO,

What are the pre req's for taking this course? I am in between contracts at the moment, and without a current CAC card.

I know a lot of these US training companies require you to be a current DoS/DoD contractor, Fed Agent, LEO, etc.

It seems to be that when you are unemployed (By Choice), and have the time to do some good training, you are hampered by these requirements.

This course looks great.

[gerryeric]

+1 to everything that Silverbullet said.
From my perspective as a former 18D, the instruction was top notch. All instructors are BTDT (no nurses or doctors who have never been in the dirt) a very big deal to me, because I want my instructors have real world experience not theory. The techniques/procedures taught are as current as they can get, all supported by up-to-date stats from the GWOT.
The new acronym MARCH (well new to me) that replaced the ABC's of yore was drilled into place and in my opinion is long overdue change.
I am confident that all participants will be able to respond to situations and save lives. To echo Silverbullet; if you are going into harms way, you owe it to yourself and you team mates to attend this training.
Gerryeric
18D (retired)

[Silverbullet]

SB or KATO,

What are the pre req's for taking this course? I am in between contracts at the moment, and without a current CAC card.

I know a lot of these US training companies require you to be a current DoS/DoD contractor, Fed Agent, LEO, etc.

It seems to be that when you are unemployed (By Choice), and have the time to do some good training, you are hampered by these requirements.

This course looks great.

I can't answer for DMI but there were a variety of students in the crse, ie, DOD, USG, Fed, etc....From what IMUA told me if you have the need and are going in harms way then you can get in. You'll be vetted beforehand. I wouldn't limit this crse just to those traveling to the 2 main hot spots. It is applicable to use anywhere in the world.

[ussfpa]

SB-
Are their medical course pre-reqs in order to place a packet for consideration? What level of knowledge should someone have before considering attendance?

Gerryeric-
MARCH?

Excellent review. THANKS for taking the time and effort!!!

PA

[Guy]

Gerryeric-
MARCH?

PAMassive Bleeding, Airway, Respirations, Circulation, Head injuries and Hypothermia

Stay safe.

[Jong]

SB-
Are their medical course pre-reqs in order to place a packet for consideration? What level of knowledge should someone have before considering attendance?

Gerryeric-
MARCH?

Excellent review. THANKS for taking the time and effort!!!

PA

You would probably want to go to the OEMS portion which is way more in depth. When I went with my BN Surgeon, who just recently retired, he said it was the best medical training he has ever done. I am guessing he has over 20yrs of being a Doc so that made an impression on me.

[ussfpa]

Guy:
Thanks buddy

Jong:
Not what I asked.

PA

[BKK]

SB,

Thanks for the input. I will give them a call and see what creds I need to provide. I hope to have my EMT-B next month, and this sounds like some great follow-on realistic training.

[Silverbullet]

SB-
Are their medical course pre-reqs in order to place a packet for consideration? What level of knowledge should someone have before considering attendance?


The pre reqs are that you be mil, former mil working overseas, USG, Fed, LEO etc...indicate that you had a baseline of medical instruction.

I feel, based on the instruction, that someone without any medical training could attend and walk away with the ability to treat a combat casualty. The instruction is structured in a manner than they take you through the entire process and then provided hands on practice.

HTH's

[ussfpa]

Thanks SB.
I know some folks that can certainly benefit from this-but their medical background is scant at best. Hence the need.

PA

[Silverbullet]

One thing I'd like to add, Deployment Medicine does not teach or suggest tactics during DMOC. They feel, and I agree, that tactics is a unit responsibility and focusing on tactics would take away from the focus of effort.

No wasted time on telling the students how to task organize, fire and maneuver or lay down a base of fire to cover the first responder.

Combat casualty care is the focus of effort.

[Global Med]

They have two courses of instruction. The longer, 10 days, more in-depth course you need to be at the Medic/EMT-B level of knowledge (although I have had a few students not at this level that did fine) to really get the full benefit of the course. The shorter program is designed for the “Shooter” with very basic medical knowledge. So if you have associates with minimal medical skills this would be the course for them.

[Pickpocket]

Thanks for the write-up, SB. I've already contacted DM to try to lock on a few seats since reading this thread.

[GracieLou]

At the risk of perhaps having my head lopped off (LOL), would this be recommended for those who aren't shooter-but-stuck-inside-the-wire types? Or would this be considered too much?

In my previous job, I did travel a bit (air, convoy once) and would have liked to have had some training of this nature simply because I never knew what could happen out there...

[Silverbullet]

Gracie,
If you are in a theater where combat operations and IED are being used, then the answer is yes.

[BKK]

Has anyone attended their Operational and Emergency Medical Skills Course?

I have been in contact with them trying to schedule the DMOC course, and dates are slim. I have been given some OEMS course dates that are open, and wonder if I would be over my head with just a newly minted EMT-B, and some previous basic Tac Med training.

Advice?

[Pickpocket]

Talk to April.
Her advice to me was that the DEMOC course was more for those of us with limited medical training. I have a Corpsman that I'm trying to send and her advice was that OEMS was more appropriate for him. YMMV.

[Silverbullet]

I don't want to go against the crse scheduler but I suggest you wait for IMUA to weigh in. I think a Corpsman should go to DMOC. The stuff there is more than the average Corpsman ever gets exposed to.

He will learn how to treat combat casualty's with immediate care. Remember I had an 18D as my partner and he learned and practiced things. 18D's are way beyond the average Corpsman. I was not a newbie to medical stuff either. I had some of the best training and had actually been a first responder to combat inflicted wounds over the yrs and I still learned much. Don't think just because a longer more involved crse is available that it needs to be the first step.

I'm not waving anyone off the longer crse but don't think DMOC should be discarded as something only beginners attend. I encourage the longer crse but think DMOC is a good first step for anyone, especially Corpsman, who need to know exactly what the Marines they are serving with know how to do.

Just my .02

[BKK]

April is the girl who I have been dealing with, and who gave me the OEMS option.

I told her that I had heard some great things about the DMOC course from experienced guys, and thought that it would be a good first course to start with, and possible attend the 10 day course after that.

Personally, I believe that ALL training is good training. There is always something new you can learn from all levels, and you can miss out if you close your mind.

I would love to hear what a previous graduate or instructor from this course can add.

[Pickpocket]

He will learn how to treat combat casualty's with immediate care. Remember I had an 18D as my partner and he learned and practiced things. 18D's are way beyond the average Corpsman. I was not a newbie to medical stuff either. I had some of the best training and had actually been a first responder to combat inflicted wounds over the yrs and I still learned much. Don't think just because a longer more involved crse is available that it needs to be the first step.


Good points. This guy is a great Corpsman as well as experienced, but your comments here brought some of this into perspective. If you guys are saying the DEMOC crse is GTG even for an experienced 18D, then I'm going to take that to heart. I'm not going to have someone pass up a learning experience just to take the more difficult course.

[Jong]

Went to OEMS 2 years ago at Camp Lejeune. The attendees were Corpsman and Doctors that were about to be deployed. A lot of the Corpsman there were fresh out of school so probably didn't absorb as much as they would have had they had more experience. They did however learn a lot and was completely appropriate for them to be there. Having not attended DMOC I can't say anything about that.

[gerryeric]

I will be attending a OEMS course next week, I'll try and post my opinion as to what type of experience is best suited to attend once I've seen it.
Gerryeric

[Silverbullet]

Good points. This guy is a great Corpsman as well as experienced, but your comments here brought some of this into perspective. If you guys are saying the DEMOC crse is GTG even for an experienced 18D, then I'm going to take that to heart. I'm not going to have someone pass up a learning experience just to take the more difficult course.

I'm not saying one is more appropriate than the other. What I'm saying is that look at every angle before making a decision. IMUA is traveling and will be up on here by this weekend.

I'm not trying to push your training dollars either way or even both ways. What I'm doing is ensuring that the take away in this thread away is that DMOC is not a low level crse that only specific groups can benefit from. I don't want forum members passing on a great training opportunity due to thinking something isn't high speed enough for them.

With Gerry's follow up you'll have a comparison that you can use based on back to back attendance. He has professional medical experience to base a very good suggestion on.

[Global Med]

I am an instructor for both courses and IMUA (DMOC is his show) is on the road this week and there seems to be a few questions so I will try to answer them with the facts and try to leave my opinions out since it is an AAR.


Which course to go to as far as level of medical license/experience? Students pick one over the other for a couple of reasons: time, funds, and the level/time frame of care they want to focus on in training.

DMOC, the shorter of the two courses, deals more with immediate care of the patient as Silverbullet described. We get students with zero to MD experience in this course. Everyone takes something away and more so the confidence level, with the models and hands on training, goes way up.

OEMS, the longer of the two courses, will extended the period of care you will take the patient out to. That is why you will hear people say it is better to have some what of a medical background for this course because that is usually who is performing that level/time frame of care. We get students with little to MD experience in this course. I have had Recon Marines at my table during this course and they did great with only a First Responder Course prior to. The point being did they learn, yes they did. But with more experience they may have taken little more away with them.

So, it comes down to what level/time frame of care you want to get to when selecting one course over the other. Regardless of your level of medical experience or which of the two courses you attend you will learn, relearn, and more importantly leave there with much more confidence in dealing with combat related wounds.

[Pickpocket]

What I'm doing is ensuring that the take away in this thread away is that DMOC is not a low level crse that only specific groups can benefit from. I don't want forum members passing on a great training opportunity due to thinking something isn't high speed enough for them.

Understood. In a nutshell, that's what I was trying to say.

[VMI_Marine]

SB,
Thanks for the AAR. We sent one guy per team through DMOC before our last deployment, and everyone involved was very impressed. We have two classes scheduled this summer, we're hoping to get the rest of our FCT guys (including team leaders I hope) through this time.

[Sapper12B]

SB, Gerry,

Spot on with the AARs. The only thing I can add is this: Most of us have had medical training by virtue of our jobs, however, unless you perform those procedures on a daily basis, they deteriorate. The DMOC presents a "to-the-point" solution to the major killers on the battlefield then allows for hands-on practical labs. You are also given an opportunity to review and discuss the latest evolutions in medical equipment; what works and what doesn't. As we all know, medicine is gear intensive and there is a lot of CRAP being sold out there.

Medical training is the FIRST class to get cut out of the "usual" training cycle, but when shit hits the fan, the medic is the FIRST one called for. Think about it.

Great to see you guys...:cool:

[Guy]

Medical training is the FIRST class to get cut out of the "usual" training cycle, but when shit hits the fan, the medic is the FIRST one called for. Think about it.Stay safe.

[bigknife]

Kato (IMUA) is out of pocket for a little while but will be back soon to address the questions re; DMOC/OEMS. Having gone through both courses a few times (Kato made me!), here's the pertinent info;

DMOC; built on squad based units. Designed around operators that need to plug holes in buddies/stop the claret from leaking/create an airway until the Corpman/Medic can get to them or the individual can be CASEVAC'd to a hardsite.

OEMS; detailed medical training designed around the 18D platform. Extremely intensive training in all aspects of BFM (I am not a medic or Corpsman, so it was intensive to me). Will teach you how to keep a pt. alive for up to 72 hrs.

Both courses differ from others out there in that the instructors are constantly going in harm's way to learn the newest techniques in BFM. To quote a TRADETS SEAL Corpsman that I recently introduced to the program "These guys really know their shit!"

Final note; If you buddy up with the instructors, be prepared to hang your liver out to dry the next day...:D

[IMUA]

Sorry to be so late to this thread, but just back from OCONUS and spun up again. Much thanks to SB for the kind words and totally awesome AAR and for the others who have offered up their informed opinions and experiences.
SB has outlined the focus of the course for all to appreciate, so I'll just 'highlight" some key points...

As SB has so eloquently stated.."this isn't a course with plastic mannequins and IV's". This course, by virtue of training on "non-traditional casualty models", takes the student to the next level! If you come to the course thinking you have some expertise in direct pressure and tourniquet use...I promise you will come away with a new understanding and confidence!

He further offers..."Tactics are not taught". But tactical medicine is! If anything, the students taking away the knowledge of performing the right intervention at the right time...will significantly impact survivibility on the battlefield.

As far as pre-requisite training goes...none is necessary. This course was designed initially for the "non-medical operator". But due to its structure and content, it serves as an excellent refresher for the medically inclined. Its a rarity that we don't have some medical expertise in the class, including 18Ds.

Regarding who is appropriate for this training...you don't have to be a member of a "tip of the spear" unit (tho they ALL do attend) to benefit from this training. So if you are going to potentially find yourself in "harm's way" anywhere ...then this training package should be seriously considered.

POC...April is DMI's scheduler and contract manager. She is NOT, however, a very effective filter for who should attend what type of training package. If there are any questions regarding courses or schedules (not all courses are listed, and I may be able to "influence" for 1 or 2 folks places in "closed courses".) please feel free to contact me directly at: imuamace@aol.com

DISCLAIMER: My intent in responding in this thread is not to solict DMOC business, but simply to educate that there is a very valuable medical training opportunity available that could very well mean the difference in survivibility of a casualty in the operational arena.

Cheers...

Kato

[gerryeric]

I said that after attending OEMS I would write a comparison between that and DMOC. Simply stated, it's apples and oranges.....Both are outstanding courses, both will teach you to save lives, there the simularity ends. Whereas DMOC trains shooters thru MDs operational medicine, there is little disscussion on the hows and whys things work, also DMOC is focused on 24 hr care. DMOC is operator level care from the battleground to handoff to a medic/corpsman or evac platform. OEMS expands that window to the surgical table. Adding that step to OEMS necessitates classes and labs in extended wound care and recognition and treatment of signs and symptoms not usually seen on the battleground. Examples of this are chest tubes, suturing,wound debridemont and the use of volume expanders vs IV or oral fluid replacement.
Graduates of DMOC can pass on the knowledge they learn in the course. Grads of OEMS are EXPECTED to train their shooters, to this end they are exposed to more information to better enable them to do so.
Although an operator/shooter attending OEMS would probably grasp 75% of the course, there is a significant amount of the course that is review or bump-up of existing knowledge for health care providersand a shooter may very well be OBE (overcome by events).
This is my opinion only and as such may be severely flawed...I welcome dissenting views.

[gerryeric]

Bump.....
No dissention??? Maybe I'm smarter than my mother told me.

[bmf]

Course sound good to go. Couple questions for those in the know.

Can this course go on the road? I can see our unit in San Diego wanting to do an MTT is this possible? Would the level of instruction be better at their facilities? largest class size?

[IMUA]

BMF...

Contact me directly, if you would.
c) 281-630-0461...if you get voicemail, please lv msg.
email: imuamace@aol.com

I can answer your questions directly.

Cheers...

Kato

[Echo Five Bravo]

Any idea on costs for DMOC or OEMS? I don't know if they vary dependant on Fed, Mil, etc. There is nothing on the website, and if not for public consumption, no problem. Thank you.

[DY]

Tuition is public knowledge.

Not exact, but OEMS around 1800 and DMOC around 1600.

[Echo Five Bravo]

Thank you very much DY.

[saltfish]

Not sure how much the DMOC course is but I got this off their website (for OEMS):

"The cost of the course for 2007 will be $2100 per student in NC and VA, $2450 in CA, and $2700 in AK or HI"

[Massgrunt]

Can I get a discount for being on one of the ops pictured on the website? :)

[DY]

Been trying to get you here for some months now. :D

[VMI_Marine]

Just finished the course yesterday. OUTSTANDING. Kato and crew did a fantastic job. Yesterday's field exercise left me sunburnt, exhausted, and 100% more confident in my abilities to treat common battlefield injuries in an operational environment.

[sawbones]

Ladies/Gents-Finished the OEMS course yesterday. Dirty, dusty, and tired. Is "OUTFUCKINGSTANDING" one word or two. By the end of the first day of class I was speechless. Doc H. took us thru the "money shot issues", broke it down so that everyone from a shooter to a doc could use the info.

M.A.R.C.H. IS THE SHIT for combat/austere medicine. The level of skill and professionalism of all the staff is unmatched. The material covered by all instructors teaches you how to "get off the X" and treat the pt in the most beneficial way rapidly.

I picked up dozens of training tips from staff and participants alike (Eastcoast Team LPO or Chief was a great resource for overpressure injuries). Made some great contacts for future references. Made some new friends, good luck Ken, Jeff, and Brad.

John , Kiwi Mike, Greg, Zeus, Chris, Chris, Mark, Doc L., Glen, Steve, and anyone else I forgot THANK YOU. You guys drink for free until I'm broke. You guys put alot of time and sweat into this material and it shows. Again OUTFUCKINGSTANDING course.

Doc H. puts alot into this program and it shows. In between lectures taking time for individual Soldier/Sailor Q and A, extensive field input, follow up and resource info, to the 23rd degree (yes Doc I read it and counted it :D ). This should be mandatory class for our troops.Thank you again, Sir.

Note to self/others buddying up to instructors though very educational can be harmful to your liver :D . And cause MILD dehydration at FTX :eek: .

Lou-thanks for the training time on the range.

[IMUA]

Sawbones...

Check your PMs.

Cheers..

Kato

[Sharky]

I just attended the DMOC course this week. If I could sum up my thoughts in two words, they would be “Holy Shit”. This course was BY FAR the most tactically relevant medical course I have ever been through. I was told by an instructor that they would “change my reality”. They weren’t kidding. This is not a canned presentation or a “Death by PowerPoint” type of course. It is not a gentlemen’s course. I am stiff, sore, tired and happy. You will see some horrendous shit. The different lectures were already covered by SB in the first post in this thread so I won’t rehash it. Hands-on training is prevalent throughout the course in the form of labs where you actually have the opportunity to perform the techniques that you are being taught.

I cannot stress enough how impressed I was with the instructors. It would be a massive understatement to say that the instructors of this course are passionate about what they do. To them, it’s a ministry, and that is apparent in everything they do. Their varied backgrounds and commitment to saving lives bring a dimension to the course that I have never experienced in any medical training I have ever received. They were humble, yet knowledgeable in every aspect of the course material they were teaching.

In my career, I have always seen myself, and been seen by others, as a “breaker” rather than a “Fixer”, and I told the instructors that up front. I have been subjected to the Death by PowerPoint medical courses out there to the point that I really could have cared less if I ever went to another medical course. This course changed that.

Imagine training for the worst day of your life: mass casualties, under fire, vehicles burning, your team mates down, massive chaos. After attending DMOC, I now know that not only can I be an asset in that situation as a shooter, but that I can also save the lives of the teammate to my right and left and bring order and calm to that chaos. I don’t need fancy medical gear to do it. Only an understanding of why people actually die on the battlefield who could have been saved if proper medical intervention had been applied. I know how to control massive hemorrhage. I know how to make sure the patient has an airway and surgically create one if needed. I know when to apply QuikClot. I know when it is needed and, more importantly, when it’s not. I know what real “Direct Pressure” is and how effective it can be. I know how to apply a tourniquet. I know which tourniquets are truly effective and which ones break when they are needed the most. I not only know it, I have done it. Multiple times.

That was all brought home to me by a MARSOC Marine CPT who addressed my class after he found out that the course was in session. This Marine had recently returned from A-Stan. During a patrol there the medic of their element (18D and former SOCOM Medic of the Year) was killed instantly by a 107mm round. Their vehicle was on fire and the medical kit was inside the vehicle. They had 3 others who were WIA, one of which had BOTH FEMORAL ARTERIES SEVERED! Using the techniques that they learned in DMOC, and with only the equipment they had on their vests, they saved the lives of all three WIA’s. THAT is powerful medicine.

If you are going downrange, in any capacity, you cannot afford to be without this training. It is, without a doubt, one of the best courses that I have ever attended. Do not think that CLS is anything comparable. There is no comparison. DMOC is in a class by itself. I hope that if I am unfortunate enough to get hit downrange that there is a DMOC trained person nearby because, if there is, I know that I will live to see another day.

[sawbones]

Sharky-Were John/British or Mike/Kiwi your instructors. Alllll my instructors were GREAT, but those 2 really made the class for me. Alot of it was me looking for opportunities for 1:1 time with an instructor, but they took there down time to get me extra hands on time with various procedures I wanted more work on.

Controlling arterial bleeds properly can enhance somany outcomes. As I previously stated, is OUTFUCKINGSTANDING one word or two ?

[Sharky]

Sharky-Were John/British or Mike/Kiwi your instructors. Alllll my instructors were GREAT, but those 2 really made the class for me. Alot of it was me looking for opportunities for 1:1 time with an instructor, but they took there down time to get me extra hands on time with various procedures I wanted more work on.

Controlling arterial bleeds properly can enhance somany outcomes. As I previously stated, is OUTFUCKINGSTANDING one word or two ?



Negative, although I heard them mentioned several times by Kato and his crew. If they are anything like the instructors I had there, they are top-notch.

[USMC_ANGLICO]

Sharky - I am very happy to hear that you enjoyed your time during the DMOC. Kato and company put on one of the most important blocks in any units training cycle. As you know, the lessons learned in that course are from the blood of our brothers who have fallen in the past but have given us the opportunity to learn from it and help save those in the future. I feel the training should be mandatory and should be written in to the ORM's for combat operations. I of course have a special place in my heart for the Marines who are trained by Kato and the DMOC crew and know that those "Warfighters" are going to be able to save a life on the battlefield. Like a lot of us on this site, that life could be mine and i know that i am in good hands if i hear some young "Lance Cooley" reciting the MARCH protocol over my head.

Semper Fi, stay safe and maybe next time you get to a course, I'll be in your pod.

[Invictus]

Sharky,

We listen to all the feedback from you guys, good and bad! Many thanks for your kind words.

Sawbones - I'm sure it's your round pal!

All the best gentlemen

[Sharky]

Sharky,

We listen to all the feedback from you guys, good and bad! Many thanks for your kind words.

Sawbones - I'm sure it's your round pal!

All the best gentlemen



No prob brother. Wish I could have met you in person. At any rate, your pint glass wont be empty anytime I am around. There is no telling how many lives have been saved by that course. Keep up the good work.

[Blackjack78]

My partner is taking the course now. Talked to him earlier and he said it is "Awesome" . From the sound of it, everything that has been written in this thread concerning this course is spot on. My thanks to the DMOC folks for these efforts, it could very well be my butt in a sling. Oh yeah, he volunteered for a certain procedure.................I was crying for him lol

[Sharky]

Oh yeah, he volunteered for a certain procedure.................I was crying for him lol




Musta volunteered for the "FAST 1". Fuuuuuuuck that.:eek:

[Blackjack78]

Musta volunteered for the "FAST 1". Fuuuuuuuck that.:eek:

Brother, I have no idea what it's called, and I didn't know if it would violate opsec or such but dayummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Sharky]

Brother, I have no idea what it's called, and I didn't know if it would violate opsec or such but dayummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.




LOL....yeah, that would be the FAST 1. Again......F U C K T H A T

[Sharky]

Imagine this going into your sternum.

[Blackjack78]

LOL....yeah, that would be the FAST 1. Again......F U C K T H A T

I'll invite him to join here and maybe he can give an AAR lol Good dude, former 3rd ID officer, last worked in Tracys' shop before getting out.

[Blackjack78]

Imagine this going into your sternum.
NOPE lol

[Sharky]

If he thinks it's good now, wait till you talk to him after friday.

[Blackjack78]

Yeah I figured it would be something else, I have been tracking this thread...I look forward to sitting down w/him.

[IMUA]

It will be your turn next! Oh and....I have a FAST 1 with your name on it!:D

Keep The Faith...

Kato

[Blackjack78]

[QUOTE=IMUA]It will be your turn next! Oh and....I have a FAST 1 with your name on it!:D

Keep The Faith...

Kato[/QU

The 'FAST 1" had better be you ,unless of course, ass and elbows count as the preferred target area lol because brother, that is all you're going to see:).

[Sharky]

The 'FAST 1" had better be you ,unless of course, ass and elbows count as the preferred target area lol because brother, that is all you're going to see:).



Bwaaahahahahahahahah......catch me if you can! :D

[Doctor_Doom]

Sigh... I'll make out to one someday...