I'm also choosing the right path to SF

[The Extreme]

I, too, am looking for the best path towards SFAS. I have just enlisted into the DEP as a Radio, Comm, Sec Repairer (MOS 35E). I am set to leave for Basic @ Benning next month. I took the Airborne option hoping to be attached to the 82nd. I have my bachelor's degree, so I will be going in as E-4. I scored a 94 on the ASVAB (if that has any relevance) and was/am a very good athlete (unfortunately, not terrific with my endurance yet). But, I was wondering about possibly renegotiating my contract. I have the option to change it to an infantry deal with the guaranteed Ranger option, or I could go to Psyop later in April... this wouldn't be bad, since my degree is in marketing, but I was hoping to pick up SF MOS skills, which I would with 35E. Anyways, I was just hoping for some further advice.. Am I on a good path, or should I consider other options. Going in as E-4, how soon will I be promotable and be able to put in my packet to SFAS? Thanks for any info you can share...

[WS-G]

(Heavily Edited! — Well, I dropped the ball with this one, didn't I?)

After reading E19's sagacious commentary below and having it dawn on me what 35E isn't, I'm forced to modify my own input to the following...

Good God, man — If you insist on going to go in with a commo MOS, then at least get your contract changed to 31C (Radio Operator-Maintainer)! However, you'll find that even this one is no longer the "high-speed/low-drag" MOS that the long-defunct 05B used to be. Then again, if you truly possess the "meat-eater" attitude, you will eventually end up kicking yourself in the ass for not insisting on an 11-series MOS.

11B does tend to be the most highly recommended, though you're probably going to see a few posts here and there from those who've humped mortars and anti-tank weapons extolling the virtues of 11C and 11H respectively, but whatever you do, do not allow yourself to get stuck with 11M!



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[jds]

Check the commo MOS' eligible for Regiment.(www.goarmy.com)Rgr.Batt. is definitely the place for exp.
jds

[BrandonD]

Don't focus 100% of your effort on SF until you've been in a minimum of two years. You'll have to do some growing before you're ready - regardless of your physical fitness, education and rank. And as others mentioned already, get into an airborne unit (ie 82nd or even Ranger Regt) and you'll be that much better prepared for selection in two years.

On a related note, it's interesting how many people you overhear at MEPS that say things like "I'm going SF" or "...Ranger" or "...SEALS." However I would estimate about 90% change their minds after their first 6 months or never change their minds but don't take action. So be sure you're heart is there 100% otherwise you're going to be wasting their time.

[Jeff Rambo]

Since Brandon just mentioned it ... I think it was Poly who originally brought the point up, but once you have that contract in your hand it's usually a good thing to keep quiet about your aspirations to those who haven't BTDT.

I believe the example that was given was set in basic. You're there, and you tell your Drill SGT. that you want to be Ranger Almighty, and your Drill SGT decides to give it to you a few notches more than everyone else.

It was a pretty good point actually, and its been so long that I can't even paraphrase it so maybe Poly or whoever it was could repost.

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[E19]

As a former 18E, I fail to see how 35E (see below) is the right direction to go in pursuit of CMF18? Why would anyone want to spend time in a support MOS if he wants to go for SF. How will he get any experience in SUT and Land-Nav as a pogue. I would say his best choice would be 11B. Every 18 is a shooter first. The amount of field expedient repair an 18E can do is very very limited [hard to carry a test bench in a ruck]and can be learned in group. I doubt you will find very many former 35E's under a green beanie.

Communications > CMF-35:Electronic Maintenance and Certification

MOS-35E ( thirty - five - echo )
Radio/Communications Security Repairer

Major Duties- The radio and communications security repairer performs or supervises direct and general support level maintenance of radio receivers, transmitters, communication security equipment, controlled cryptographic items, and other associated equipment.

Entry Level- Uses test, measurement, and diagnostic equipment to determine the cause and location of malfunctions, extent of faults, and category of maintenance required. Repairs systems, equipment and subassemblies by adjusting, aligning, repairing, and replacing defective components, cryptographic items, or line replaceable units. Performs bench equipment tests to verify operability of repaired equipment, and ensures emission security standards are met. Evacuates damaged equipment and components to higher-level repair activities. Performs preventive maintenance checks and services on tools, test, measurement, and diagnostic equipment, vehicles, and power generators.

Skill Level 2- Performs complex and multi-failure tasks and provides technical and procedural assistance to subordinates. Tests equipment to localize and diagnose causes of malfunctions. Exchanges faulty equipment. Performs difficult or complex repairs of defective components, subassemblies, and related cabling. Ensures that National Security Agency approved components are used in communication security/controlled cryptographic items repairs. Provides shop supervisor with equipment repair status, priorities, and necessity for bench stock resupply. Performs final or quality control inspection of repaired equipment. Controls and accounts for controlled cryptographic items within the repair facility.

[realpolypro]

I hope it was me, it sounded intelligent http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif

Al Zymers

[Jeff Rambo]

Originally posted by realpolypro:
I hope it was me, it sounded intelligent http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif

Al Zymers

From what I remember, the theory/statement was basically: from the first day of basic training keep your aspirations and goals to yourself until they are accomplished as everyone may not wish for your career path to go the way that you wish for it to be. Some NCOs may have once had those same admirations to be SF or a Ranger and they weren't able to concur them. They may very well be bitter about it. Sad, but true I guess.

Someone take my six on this one as I can't find the post for some reason. It was either on this forum or the 75th Regt. forum.

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[Sharky]

I think I posted that. I'll see if I can find it.

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[The Extreme]

Thank you for the input... I debated going with an 11 MOS for awhile knowing that I would get more SF-type experience from it. But, I had to figure in the chance that I would not make Special Forces. Who's to say I won't be susceptible to shin splints, bone spurs, or arthritic knees.. What would I be then? A leg.. or in the 82nd.. What's that gonna amount to upon leaving the service?

I was just trying to think practically about both SF and life after the Army. I wanna be tabbed like you wouldn't fucking imagine, but I have to realize there's a possibility I don't make it.. Don't even the most qualified, most prepared guys going into SFAS have some doubt that they are really SF material?

[BrandonD]

I also wanted to add to what some of the others are saying about career path choices. The old motto of the Army was "Be all you can be" though they should have added "if they'll let you." This has little relevance when you first join up as you can get all kinds of good stuff in your contract. However, once you've been in a while those doors start closing. That's why I say "go to jump school" because having those wings is an absolute requirement to serving in SOF and it will keep some of those doors open. I had a rough start back in '88 because I chose Supply (long story, I really wanted to be an armorer). After about a year I realized I should have gone 13F (Fire Support) and gone to RIP. Too late. And being in an understrength MOS prevents you from moving at all.

There's pretty much only SF and EOD to save you in that case. Choose your path wisely.

[E19]

Extreme,

You are right...take the 35E route because you don't sound like SF material to me. You didn't say what your degree is in but that should be an asset after the Army. Why not go to OCS? Are you afraid that you might not cut that either? Why are you going into the Army in the first place? SF is not a "glamour job" contrary to some peoples opinions. You claim you are a good athlete, yet you worry about shinsplints, bone spurs, and arthritic knees. Injuries are a part of life, a real SFer drives on and worries about it later. Just some in your face facts, no intent on my part to flame you.

[The Extreme]

E-19… I didn’t ask for anyone to profile me. You question my composition because I have considered some negative possibilities? I’ve read a hundred times on this site how you have to take great care of your feet and that shin splints can do you in. I’ve also read every book I can get my hands on. One being "The Commandoes", which mentions many men that are excellent soldiers and have all the drive and juevos in the world going through BUD/S, SFAS, and Robin Sage, but their legs just and feet just aren't able to handle it. I personally, at this point, don’t know shit about my feet and how much running and marching their capable of. Hopefully a lot, huh?.. Look, I guess those posts and the book just have me a little concerned about things that aren’t within my control. While I’m trying to plan my path to SF, I’m also giving consideration to the contingency plan.

You say a real SFer drives on and worries about it later? Why do teams cross train their members then? Why do they spend a week in isolation working out all the possibilities of a mission before they actually go out? Contingencies! What if! What if! That’s all I’m doing here. The people on this site seem to have very credible information and I merely wanted more information than I was getting from my jerk-off recruiter and MEPS counselor’s. From Salter’s posting, and yours’ above, I also realized what 35E isn’t, and have arranged to renegotiate my contract.

And, contrary to your last statement, you had every intention of flaming me. Why? I assume because I haven’t actually joined the Army yet? Did any of my questions warrant you to cast your holy judgment down upon me? You’d think you would gain some pride as an experienced “Sfer” in helping people achieve the rewarding career that you have had. Or do you often find yourself belittling and condescending people that have yet to earn the Beret? Based on what you’ve written to me, YOU don’t sound like SF material.


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[E19]

Extreme,

E-19… I didn’t ask for anyone to profile me.

Reply:

Just a habit of mine...I volunteered!

You question my composition because I have considered some negative possibilities? I’ve read a hundred times on this site how you have to take great care of your feet and that shin splints can do you in.

Reply:
You stated that you were a good athelete. I assumed you would know how to train.

I’ve also read every book I can get my hands on. One being "The Commandoes", which mentions many men that are excellent soldiers and have all the drive and juevos in the world going through BUD/S, SFAS, and Robin Sage, but their legs just and feet just aren't able to handle it. I personally, at this point, don’t know shit about my feet and how much running and marching their capable of.

Reply:

You claim to be a good athlete...yet it seems you have never tested your limits.
What sports did you compete in?


Hopefully a lot, huh?.. Look, I guess those posts and the book just have me a little concerned about things that aren’t within my control.

Reply:
If you can't control them, why worry about them.

While I’m trying to plan my path to SF, I’m also giving consideration to the contingency plan.

Reply:
You say you are planning.....but if you're in DEP and ready to ship in a month, it's sounds like you jumped the gun rather than get the facts first.


You say a real SFer drives on and worries about it later?

Reply I was refering to injuries....if you worry about shinsplints, what will you do when you are in a C-130 heading to the DZ?
Worry about the broken legs or your chute malfunctioning....hell you'll never get to the door.

Why do teams cross train their members then? Why do they spend a week in isolation working out all the possibilities of a mission before they actually go out? Contingencies! What if! What if! That’s all I’m doing here.

Reply:
That's done before the mission...you on the other hand committed yourself (DEPee'd) without a sound plan.


The people on this site seem to have very credible information and I merely wanted more information than I was getting from my jerk-off recruiter and MEPS counselor’s. From Salter’s posting, and yours’ above, I also realized what 35E isn’t, and have arranged to renegotiate my contract.

Reply:
There is some good info available here..
Why did you wait till after you signed up, to seek it. The info I posted about the 35E
I got off the Army website (because I wasn't positive of what a 35E was)....why didn't you
do this before you signed up? SF'ers need to think on their feet. Plan ahead, but when situation turns to shit you Drive On.


And, contrary to your last statement, you had every intention of flaming me. Why? I assume because I haven’t actually joined the Army yet?

Reply:
Tough love....not flaming.
You said you enlisted DEP and are leaving for basic next month...that means you are in the Army right now.

Did any of my questions warrant you to cast your holy judgment down upon me?

Reply:
Questions are good....it's your self-doubt that I see as a problem. Keep thinking of all the ways you can fail and you will fail!


You’d think you would gain some pride as an experienced “Sfer” in helping people achieve the rewarding career that you have had. Or do you often find yourself belittling and condescending people that have yet to earn the Beret?

Reply:

I have helped some young men....just not into candy coating it.....candy coating is not found at SFAS/SFQC. Besides you are a college grad, not some 15 year old wannabe, but you still have a lot to learn.

Based on what you’ve written to me, YOU don’t sound like SF material.

Reply:

I'm not... then I must have fooled them at SFTG a few times.

[Hotmike]

Extreme (give me a break),
I think E-19 suffers from the same disease I do... its called "Sickofhearingshit-talkitis)...
We hear is all the time from "Kids" fresh off the street... How they are "Going to do this" and "Going to do that"... Not to demotivate you or anything, as I'm sure we both still believe the "Be all you can be" motto of "our Army" versus the "Army of One" motto of your Army...
We have all the respect in the world for your aspirations (as emulation is the sincerest form of flattery), but others posting to this thread hit the nail on the head... Do it! Don't talk about it! Were sick of hearing what "You're gonna do" (When you finally get into the Army, and show us old guys the way it should be done) We've seen 4,356 troops like you before... and 5% of them followed up on their dreams, whereas the other 95% found out that they had to "Earn" it, and found it too "difficult"...
You're asking for advice, and this is just one piece of it... "Do it more... Talk about it less!"
As far as toughening up the Bipedal Personnel Carries goes, here's what I did:
Walk around BAREFOOT as much as you can... Mowing the lawn, that little two mile jog, running to the store for Mommy for Tampax, whatever... (as much concrete and asphalt as you can manage) Toughen up those feet BEFORE you put on Uncle Sugars issue combat boots... I had caluses from hell on my feet when I needed tough feet... I went thru twice as many socks as anyone else, but not once did I get immersion syndrome, or trench foot...
Shinspints: Practice "toe ups" while watching TV, during commercials... flex your shin muscles by lifting your toes towards your knee caps in quick bursts (normally about 30 times, rest 30 seconds, do 30 more till the commercial is over, and "The Real World/Road Rules Challenge" comes back on...

Good luck in your "Career path"... Stay focused on your goals... (just don't don't try to impress the Old Heads with them...) To us, your "Goals" ain't shit... till You've achieved them!

We'll pat you on the back once you've done it... Until then... Expect a kick in the ass when you TALK about it.

Hotmike

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[The Extreme]

HotMike... Thanks for the info on toughening the feet and shins... Much appreciated.

But, why all the rant about talking shit? Have I talked any shit about going/wanting to be SF in this post? I've merely asked a few questions about my career path from what I think is a reliable source. What I'm finding is that some people on this site assume too much. I COULD assume you're an old fat-ass, has-been veteran, computer geek that hasn't done jack-shit since getting outta the army but sit on this web site and relive your "glory days" with other has-beens while you're not feeding and changing the litter box for your fifteen mangy-ass cats. But, I wouldn't do that.

I haven't mentioned my desires to possibly join SF to anyone except my father, my used car salesman of a recruiter, and the MEPS counselors... Which are the only people I have any reason to discuss it with.

Anyways, who's not a wannabe until they actually accomplish their goal?

[Sharky]

Originally posted by The Extreme:
I COULD assume you're an old fat-ass, has-been veteran, computer geek that hasn't done jack-shit since getting outta the army but sit on this web site and relive your "glory days" with other has-beens while you're not feeding and changing the litter box for your fifteen mangy-ass cats. But, I wouldn't do that.


Easy there killer. Take a look around this site and you'll see exactly why he said what he said. Don't take it so personal. It's been said a hundred times before in one form or another to just about every wanna-be here. You might as well get used to it now cause there will be a lot more of it where that came from. Besides, even if every single thing you said about him above were true, he's still been where you will probably never go and done what you will probably never do. Start learning now not to let your feelers get hurt so easily. He was obviously trying to help you out or he wouldn't have posted.



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[E19]

Originally posted by The Extreme:

I haven't mentioned my desires to possibly join SF to anyone except my father, my used car salesman of a recruiter, and the MEPS counselors... Which are the only people I have any reason to discuss it with.


Mr Extreme,

Then how did this thread start....a brain fart...or do you have a clone?

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I, too, am looking for the best path towards SFAS. I have just enlisted into the DEP as a Radio, Comm, Sec Repairer (MOS 35E). I am set to leave for Basic @ Benning next month. I took the Airborne option hoping to be attached to the 82nd. I have my bachelor's degree, so I will be going in as E-4. I scored a 94 on the ASVAB (if that has any relevance) and was/am a very good athlete (unfortunately, not terrific with my endurance yet). But, I was wondering about possibly renegotiating my contract. I have the option to change it to an infantry deal with the guaranteed Ranger option, or I could go to Psyop later in April... this wouldn't be bad, since my degree is in marketing, but I was hoping to pick up SF MOS skills, which I would with 35E. Anyways, I was just hoping for some further advice.. Am I on a good path, or should I consider other options. Going in as E-4, how soon will I be promotable and be able to put in my packet to SFAS? Thanks for any info you can share...

[OldSFer]

An E4 already and he could not find his way through the BS maze layed out by some leg recruiter. Somebody needs to teach this college boy land-nav 101 quick.

[MFFI]

'Extreme' ....

..."old fat-ass, has-been veteran"... ???

WTFO...

Hopefully us 'soon-to-be-has-beens' will never have to put up with your attitude on a team.

Show some respect for those that have gone before you... someday (if youre lucky) you too will be a 'has-been' offering up some honest advice to a young mind with no respect. The best advice I ever got was from an old, worn out retired guy... luckily I was smart enough to listen and not write him off as an "old fat-ass, has-been veteran". Belive me, he treated me a lot rougher than "old fat-ass, has-been veteran" E19 and "old fat-ass, has-been veteran" hotmike treated you. If you dont want the truth dont ask questions. If you walked around the team-room saying "gee, I hope I dont flunk out" before you went to halo/scuba/sotic etc etc etc.... the tm sgt would throw your shit out in the hall for being a sissy.... so if you think the posts you are getting are just to make fun of you, or make us feel good for being mean to you, dont waste your time with the Q-course... its not just on-line machismo, its how things go every day on an A-team.

of course I could be wrong...



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[WS-G]

Originally posted by The Extreme:
I COULD assume you're an old fat-ass...
My 36-year-old backside still fits perfectly into the same 30×34 slim-cut trouser size I've worn since high-school.
...has-been veteran...
Still going at it, spending my fair share of time in the cold-and-wet mode under an ALICE Large.
...computer geek...
I'm not a real computer nerd; I just get type-cast as one when I'm on-line.
...that hasn't done jack-shit since getting outta the army...
Actually a hitch in the Air Force after the Army was through with me (the first time around anyway <G> ), a couple of temp jobs as an aircraft mechanic plus a few years in the construction industry, a pilot and ground instructor certificate (paid for using the aforementioned jobs as a source of funding), graduation from a 16-week-long police academy (at age 35), followed by a mental health officer certification course, re-enlistment into the Guard (after a protracted break in service). Actually, it's almost staggering how much research and communication one can accomplish when one uses his time online efficiently. I can hammer out an entire treatise in about 5 minutes.
...but sit on this web site and relive your "glory days" with other has-beens...
Real has-beens are too busy staring at porno sites — when they're not too drunk to turn the computer on. Therefore, they don't hang around here much.
...while you're not feeding and changing the litter box for your fifteen mangy-ass cats....
I have two cats, not fifteen. Both are in excellent health. Unfortunately I have yet to convince them that juvenile delinquents are the nutritionally perfect food for a pride of felines.

[Whammer]

Extreme,

I hope you pledged a frat in college. A tough one with really sadistic rituals and the like. You need to suffer a little humility and build up some thick skin as well as the calluses on your feet... I am not, but have spent a fair amount with those who are, and being on a team is ruthless if you're thin skinned...

di

[WS-G]

Whammer's right, Extreme. If you learn nothing else, you need to be able to take a joke at your own expense.

[The Extreme]

Originally posted by Whammer:
Extreme,

You need to suffer a little humility and build up some thick skin as well as the calluses on your feet...
di

My dick is calloused... is that acceptable?

[The Extreme]

Originally posted by William M Salter:
[/b]My 36-year-old backside still fits perfectly into the same 30×34 slim-cut trouser size I've worn since high-school.

Look at that... he said he wears trousers.. ha, TROUSERS! The same ones he wore back in hte eighties no less... That kills me!

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[grrlcop74]

Originally posted by The Extreme:
My dick is calloused... is that acceptable?



Next time spend the extra money and get a CLEAN whore.

[Scotty]

Hey Salt, were those "trousers" the flared leg Jordache, or the flowered Gasoline??? Only us "Old Farts" will remember either of them.

Decrepedly yours,

Scotty

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[RogueExec]

Originally posted by grrlcop74:
Next time spend the extra money and get a CLEAN whore.


http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/eek2.gif

[Hotmike]

Excrete! You know what happens when you make an ASSUMPTION? It makes an ASS outta U and Umption...

I have news for you! I AM ACTIVE DUTY! I AM AN AF TACP INSTRUCTOR! I SEE KIDS LIKE YOU EVERY DAY! (AND I WASH OUT 30% OF THEM EACH YEAR)! To drive home the point of Old Has beens talking Shit...
When I was at Jumpfest 86, I heard about a guy that had just earned his Master Blasters prior to showing... after they were properly affixed to his... shall we say "uniform", as it covered his body?.... Anyhow, he was talking a bunch of shit about all his jumps, and an "Old Has Been" stated... "Damn, I only got 3 jumps after graduating from Jump School... And they were all in France... And the damn Nazis kept shooting at me each time I did it! I guess three times is enough for me!"

So, I hope you do make it into SF Training... So I can REALLY talk shit when you wash out!!!

Tell you what... post your name, and entry date... I'll call up a few of my fellow "Old Has Been" Instructors, and have them welcome someone of your stature accordingly...

One last thing... I probably accomplish more each day BY ACCIDENT, than you do all day long!!! I probably have more time in Black Out Drive, than you have outta diapers.... blah blah blah... I could roll in hot on you, but I feel your chastisement to this point has been sufficient...

Slugs and Kisses,
Hotmike the Has Been

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[WS-G]

Originally posted by RogueExec:
http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/eek2.gif
Better get one of these aging 18D's to unload his bag of tricks there, Rogue... that tongue looks dreadful!

BTW, Scotty, all the jeans I've ever owned were either Wranglers or Brittanias. I remember when slitting one seam on each leg up to the knee was really de rigeur, but I never allowed myself to be that unkempt.

[bmf]

HOTMIKE-

Me...You....EYE TO EYE.

From one active instructor to another. Thank you for your posts. I thought I was just getting old and crabby.

We're having a jumpex (round/squares) early Feb. you interested?

[Hotmike]

bmf... I've got a live CSAR at A-77 the night of the first (followed by a 14 mile forced march back to Hurlburt from 0100 to 0600) and then a Graduation Ceremony on the 1st at 1000 (Doctor Charlie Jones, former Butterfly FAC from Cambodia will be the guest speaker), then I roll right into a New Class on the 6th.... After the 12th I'm looking a little better. Are you Jumping that MI-7 that keeps flying around this week?

Hotmike

p.s. If you think like me... You ARE getting old and Crabby!

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[RogueExec]

Originally posted by William M Salter:

Better get one of these aging 18D's to unload his bag of tricks there, Rogue... that tongue looks dreadful!



LMAO.........roger that, Salter.



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[Scotty]

Britanias!! CLASSIC! I made some extra cash shooting holes in Lees with a 12 ga. when that was fashionable. My sister loved it! Could choose her own "blast patterns", and considered it personalized.

Of course, when you go overboard you've got ragged cutoffs...

The big thing around here was baggy Girbauds and a black Members Only. Still have a gray one that almost fits. If I ever ride the iron horses with Poly (open invite, bra), I'm going to wear it for s's and g's. Of course, scuttlebut says that he'll leave me and my MO in the dust...

Scotty

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[RogueExec]

Originally posted by Scotty:
Britanias!! CLASSIC! I made some extra cash shooting holes in Lees with a 12 ga. when that was fashionable. My sister loved it! Could choose her own "blast patterns", and considered it personalized.


Damn! I wish I'd thought of that....way back when. Easy money.



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[bmf]

Hotmike-

Negative on the MI.

We got the boys from one of our operational units bringing down some goodies for a drunkex....oops..I mean jumpex around the 10-15th (not exact yet). I believe our ceiling is 23 grand for the FF. Most jumps will be at Choctaw Dz,(not familiar with it)lot's of rounds as well. If you want more details contact the guys over in that SF/SEAL training billet. (little shop of horrors!)

[WS-G]

Originally posted by The Extreme:
Look at that... he said he wears trousers.. ha, TROUSERS!
That's right, Junior — trousers. I only wear my mauve sequin jockstrap for an extremely select audience and the last time I checked, you weren't on the list!
The same ones he wore back in the (spelling corrected — a public service I'm only too happy to provide... just this once) eighties no less...
"My... care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow."
That kills me!
Please, my modesty! I may be good at exterminating things, but I'm not that good.

O Mighty Adminstrator, we beseech Thee that Thou movest this thread to GENERALNET > Humor, that it receiveth the consideration it be due.

[RogueExec]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by William M Salter:

O Mighty Adminstrator, we beseech Thee that Thou movest this thread to GENERALNET > Humor, that it receiveth the consideration it be due.

Spoken by the prophet William --- the Salter-eth of the Earth, in whose name, and in whose request, we most humbly believe.