Transfering 18D experience to Civillian Certs

[sfmedicw9]

I know this has had to been posted before but:

I went through the old 300-F1 course / Medlab etc back in the mid 70s and subsequently attended serveral ATLS courses and Hyperbaric Medicine Courses (DMT stuff) since then (Not to mention in house team medical training) and have served in the capacilty of BN med NCO and still develop and present training for HOS (head of state) details and various Police SRT Teams as it relates to the CQB mission

But..... It seems none of that is transferable to the civillian world

Im not planning to get into medicine on the civillian side but it strikes me as odd that all that training doesnt count for much on the outside

Is there a way to get work in the medical field without having to start from scratch??

I think I already know the answer but - if there is I would like to know

[ussfpa]

Unfortunately there isn't. When we started sending 18D's to EMT-P school so they could have "something to transfer over" it was initially a good gig. Then they thought is was SO good they would incorporate it into the actual course-which has been an on and off again thing for a number of years. I am not sure if (this week) it is on or off :rolleyes:.
It is one of those things where the training an 18D receives isn't regulated by civilian agencies (otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to do half the things they are required to do) and the actual depth of what they DO learn isn't enough to be able to pass any of the civilian certs.
18D's are probably the best example (in the medical community anyway) of :
"Jack of all trades and Master of none"
There just isn't an equivalent to a Super medic / lab / vet / surgeon / x-ray guy.

PA

[MP18D]

I and many others have taken the RN national boards (NCLEX) in Cali by virtue of being an 18D. I did it in 92 and others have done it since, but not sure of the current status of the process. I remember it was a PITA cause I had to actually travel to Bragg (got orders from 12th Group for something or other) to collect all the "transcripts" and other misc paperwork that the Board of Nursing needed.
RN's at least here in Cali make a darn good wage; the scope of practice is extremely limited compared to a good 18D.....
But it is easy to translate your CV with the RN on it to a PA school slot!

Let me know if you are contemplating this move and I will check with the B.O.N to see if the program still exists.

Mike

[MP18D]

W9, I would think your CV is pretty extensive......
PA school??
A lot of the kids coming out of the school today are for shit!

Mike

[ussfpa]

I and many others have taken the RN national boards (NCLEX) in Cali by virtue of being an 18D. I did it in 92 and others have done it since, but not sure of the current status of the process.
Mike

Dude-that was like...15 YEARS ago. Shoot, back then a PA could start as an med school R2 in most programs. There is website that has the college equivalents that training programs are worth...18D only gets like 22 I think so there wouldn't be an RN program in the country willing to allow a challenge of their exam based on that.

Ahhh yes...those were the days:p

PA

edit from the ACE Military Guide

AR-0703-0025

SPECIAL FORCES MEDICAL SERGEANT
(Special Forces Medical Sergeant, Phases 1 and 3)

Course Number: Version 1: 011-18D30. Version 2: 011-18D30.

Location: John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School, Fort Bragg, NC.

Length: Version 1: 24 weeks (1559 hours). Version 2: 24 weeks (1782 hours).

Exhibit Dates: Version 1: 10/89–9/91. Version 2: 10/91–6/96.

Learning Outcomes: Version 1: Upon completion of the course, the student will be able to perform advanced cardiac life support, basic radiology skills, general anesthesia, endotracheal intubation, and basic laboratory procedures; manage trauma; and perform basic veterinary examinations and treatment. Version 2: After 6/96 see AR-0703-0032. Upon completion of the course, the student will be able to perform advanced cardiac life support, apply basic radiology skills, perform general anesthesia and endotracheal intubation, perform basic laboratory procedures, manage trauma, and perform basic veterinary examinations and treatment.

Instruction: Version 1: Lectures, laboratories and demonstrations cover advanced cardiac life support, radiology, trauma management, anesthesia, central materials supply, laboratory examinations, veterinary procedures, and records/reports. Course includes common core of special operations and leadership subjects, including air operations, survival, land navigation, combat, special operations, and leadership. Version 2: Lectures, laboratories, and demonstrations cover advanced cardiac life support, radiology, trauma management, anesthesia, central materials supply, laboratory examination, veterinary procedures, anatomy, pharmacology, and records/reports. Course includes common core of special operations and leadership subjects, including air operations, survival, land navigation, and combat skills.

Credit Recommendation: Version 1: In the lower-division baccalaureate/associate degree category, 1 semester hour in advanced cardiac life support, 1 in applied basic radiological science, 5 in emergency medical technology or nursing, 2 in applied veterinary science, 2 in medical laboratory technology (12/92). Version 2: In the lower-division baccalaureate/associate degree category, 2 semester hours in advanced cardiac life support, 1 in applied basic radiological science, 6 in emergency medical technology or nursing, 3 in applied veterinary science, and 2 in medical laboratory technology (12/92).

Related Occupations: 18D.

Bottom line....not NEARLY enough credits to even come close to a nursing degree.

[ussfpa]

Seeing as how I went "way back when" I thought I would post what the current availabilities are. It is unfortunate that the majority of the credits are literally tied to the certifications...but it is something. This response is significantly better though, providing they pass all of their certs during the course, they now can have upto 56 lower / vocational credits and 8 upper Baccalaureate credits based on the following...
AR-0703-0034

1. SPECIAL FORCES MEDICAL SERGEANT, PHASE 3
2. SPECIAL FORCES MEDICAL SERGEANT
(Special Forces Medical Sergeant, Phase 3)

Course Number: Version 1: 011-18D30 (2), Phase 3. Version 2: 011-18D30, Phase 3.

Location: John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School, Fort Bragg, NC.

Length: Version 1: 6 weeks (590 hours). Version 2: 46 weeks (2658 hours).

Exhibit Dates: Version 1: 7/96–6/05. Version 2: 7/05–Present.

Learning Outcomes: Version 1: Upon completion of the course, the student will be able to conduct air operations; conduct special operations; plan a mission planning exercise; employ small unit tactics, techniques, and battle drills; and plan for an unconventional warfare mission. Version 2: Upon completion of the course, the student will be able to complete Emergency Medical Training (EMT) - Paramedic, Basic Life Support (BLS)/Automatic External Defibrillation (AED), prehospital trauma life support (PHTLS), and Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS) certifications; treat medical/trauma conditions of soldiers in wartime and peacetime; and complete military instructor qualifications

Instruction: Version 1: Lecture, discussion, demonstration, and practical experience, cover learning and applying military operations in the field. Version 2: Discussion, case studies, and classroom exercises. Topics include Emergency Medical Training (EMT) - Paramedic, Basic Life Support (BLS), Automatic External Defibrillation (AED), prehospital trauma life support (PHTLS), Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS), and Pediatric Advanced Life Support (PALS) training and certification; basic and advanced airway management; obstetrical (OB) and gynecological (GYN) emergencies, disorders, and examinations; medical subjects and case studies including dive, high altitude, heat and cold, and travel medicines; blast injuries, and high and low velocity wounds; endocrine, metabolic, nutritional, psychiatric, neurological, hematological, immune, orthopedic, and allergy principles and disorders; clinical preceptorship including the clinical training/experience and evaluation on ability to apply patient assessment/management/care skills in various clinical settings including rotations through surgery, ambulance rotations, dermatology, pediatrics, orthopedics, radiology, preventive medicine/community health and the outpatient/family practice clinics; regional, pre-, and post-anesthesia care; pain control, poisoning, fluids-electrolytes and replacement products, infectious diseases, and medical disorders involving body systems; records, reports, medical documentation, and central materials services; medical mission planning, tactical combat casualty care, combat trauma and patient management, and trauma surgical laboratory skills; emergency cardiac and field treatment of nuclear, biological, and chemical (NBC) casualty care; medical patient assessment for medical emergencies; basic physical exam techniques; surgical, operating room, and glove and gown procedures; casting techniques, physical diagnosis, and initial and long term wound care; pharmacology and pharmaceutical calculations; general anatomy, physiology, pathophysiology, medical terminology, radiology, veterinary, dental, preventive medicine, and nursing care topics; and Military Instructor Qualification

Credit Recommendation: Version 1: In the lower-division baccalaureate/associate degree category, 2 semester hours in military science (10/04). Version 2: In the vocational certificate category, 1 semester hour in (ACLS)advanced cardiac life support, 1 (PHTLS) in prehospital trauma life support, 1 (PALS) in pediatric advanced life support, and 1(BLS) in basic life support or 1(AED) in automatic external defibrillation. In the lower-division baccalaureate/associate degree category, 3 semester hours in pharmacology, 6 in anatomy and physiology, 10 (EMT-P clinical) in emergency medical technician (paramedic clinical), 5 (EMT-B) in emergency medical technician (basic level theory with laboratory), 13 (EMT-I) in emergency medical technician (intermediate theory with laboratory), 11 (EMT-P) in emergency medical technician (paramedic theory with laboratory) and 3 in military scienc. In the upper-division baccalaureate category, 8 semester hours in military medicine (advanced) (5/06).

Related Occupations: 18D.

[MP18D]

"15 years ago...."
I am gonna make myself a Trauma Alert so as to get this knife outta my back!:D
Seriously tho, the state B.O.N. looked at the transcripts from SWC and granted you permission to take the boards. U never actually got any academic credit for the classes, they (BON) just recognized the "equivilancy"
Not to be argumentative with ya USSFPA, but this mite be important enuff to some to carry a little further..
Ok, I just talked to my local SME up here who is a minor legend in SF from Khe Sahn days.........He says the California Board of Nursing will still let you write the NCLEX with an 18D cert and 2 years of "documentable" primary care.
The applicant does the documenting...................The paperwork drill is a huge PITA if I remember correctly (Yes it has been a while;)
916 322 3350 is the number for the Board.
I will check myself in the next couple of days, but am gonna be a little busy this week dealing with calves so it may be much later in the week.
Feel free to PM/email my sorry ol ass.
Mike

[MP18D]

Alright I got off my butt and did a little more checking. Shoulda done this before the previous post. I ass-umed this was common knowledge....
www.rn.ca.gov is the relevent website. Scroll down the lefthand side of the site to "Nursing Practice Act" and then go to "Business and Professions" code.
Start looking for the licensing requirements, there is a specific section dealing with military types. I will try and paste the intro here:

2736.5. Qualifications of persons serving in medical corps of armed forces; Records and reports (return to table of contents)

(a) Any person who has served on active duty in the medical corps of any of the armed forces of the United States and who has successfully completed the course of instruction required to qualify him for rating as a medical service technician—independent duty, or other equivalent rating in his particular branch of the armed forces, and whose service in the armed forces has been under honorable conditions, may submit the record of such training to the board for evaluation.

(b) If such person meets the qualifications of paragraphs (1) and (3) of subdivision (a) of Section 2736, and if the board determines that his education and experience would give reasonable assurance of competence to practice as a registered nurse in this state, he shall be granted a license upon passing the standard examination for such licensure.

The caveat is that you will not be a "graduate of an accredited school of nursing". Seems like a minor point since ya have the license, but quite a few states require some type of diploma, even an AA degree.....And that has been a showstopper for most flight nurse jobs, for some fucked up reason......
Once you have the national license, granted in California, you can apply for another state through "reciprocity". But not all states have reciprocity with California....I have no idea which ones do or dont.
However, again, once you have that RN license, the door is wide open..............
I am really unsure on this point and hesitate to bring it up, but..I think there is a similar deal for Army LVNs, I forget what the MOS is. I seem to remember an RN is Salinas who went that route. He had been an LVN in Division.
As always, feel free to contact me.
Mike

[BigNickT]

I don't want to horn in , but to back up what MP18D is saying, I worked with a guy who got out of the Army two years ago. he was and E-5 and a medic. NOT an 18D. I don't know what capacity he worked in on AD. I do know that he was licensed as and LPNaft his ETS, took the second year of a community college (2 year) RN program, and is now working as an RN in the local ER. I can get ahold of him and try to get some intel.

Tax out

[ussfpa]

Don't sweat your time frame....I went through before you did :D

A couple of points that may be important for folks to realize...
-you do not practice as a "primary care provider" as an 18D
-the "medical corps" (at least in the Army) is descriptive of the commissioned officer branch for Army Physicians
-LVN's haven't existed in the Army in quite some time. There is an LPN program (previously 91C then 91WM6, now 68WM6). LPN to RN can be made with additional schooling and there are 2yr RN programs out there.

Let's table this until there is some hard information from the board of Nursing. I'd rather wait and have accurate info instead of speculative information that turns out to be false.

PA

[DY]

Let's table this until there is some hard information from the board of Nursing. I'd rather wait and have accurate info instead of speculative information that turns out to be false. I ran a lot of this down recently, though I did not do much looking at California. So I am interested...

What I did find was that all of the old diploma programs are no more. There are now a pletheroa of "RN to BSN" bridge programs. Also, there are a lot of Paramedic to RN degree programs at the AA level.

The one that seemed to fit me best is Excelsior's ADN program. It's a money racket against civilians. But if you are eligible for military Tuition Assistance, then DANTES picks up the bill. It is self-guiding and self paced. The school offers class study guides, text books, etc, and it can be pretty confusing at first. When uou think your ready to test, you just schedule an appointment. There are 6 didactic nursing exams, plus whatever classes Excelsior deems you require for degree completion. (That is based on the transcripts you provide.) Finally, there is a two day practical exam that is also expensive, and difficult, or so I've been told.

The didactic portion is not too difficult. I took the first exam without studying.

There are degree programs that may not get you some licensure, but will give an 18D advanced standing. I was able to complete a four year, regionally accredited degree from a very reputable school quite quickly becasue the school already had a system in place for 18D's.

For colleges, make sure you check to see if they are a "Sevicemen's Opportunity College." Being a part of that network will get you the most bang for you military training buck.

[ussfpa]

Thanks DY, that mirrors my information to this point...

I'm in contact with the California Board of Nursing...
I'll pass their response once I get it.

PA

[Bodiebot]

I can confirm that in CA you make great money as a RN. If you want to make more money be a traveling nurse. If anyone is interested PM me, my freind is a recruiter for a firm I can put you in contact.

[ussfpa]

I can confirm that in CA you make great money as a RN. If you want to make more money be a traveling nurse. If anyone is interested PM me, my freind is a recruiter for a firm I can put you in contact.
No one is contesting that RN's make good money. That is not what this thread is about. Still waiting on a response from the California Board of Nursing Education and Licensure...
If you are going to post here...make it relevant to the thread...

PA

[Silverbullet]

Anyone who can't contribute to the thread subj needs to stay out of this thread unless you're asking a question that pertains to that subj.

[DY]

3.) Although 18Ds have exceptional Tactical Medical/Vet Skills... they DO NOT practice "Primary Care"... nor do they practice within the limited scope of RNs. (If they did... Why would they need to go to IPAP to be licensed/Commissioned as PAs... in the ARMY...??? If they covered the "scope of practice" that RNs cover... why do they still need to go to RN school to get that license and be commissioned in the Army as nurses...???) It seems that the 18Ds are enlisted "Shooter Medics," NOT officer "medic shooters"...!!! Lately... from what I have read... it seems that they (18Ds) are trained primarily as "Trauma Paramedics"... NOT "Primary Care Providers"...

A 18D IS NOT a PA-C... nor a RN...!!!
The independent practice of a 18D exceeds that of a RN and sometimes a PA-C (Therefore a 18D CANNOT be allowed to "test out" on this.)... The 18D needs to be reigned in before letting a 18D practice in a "civilian environment. The 18D does not possess the clinical knowledge of a typical PA-C. The 18D usually has more experience than the typical PA graduate... but DOES NOT posses the breath and depth of knowledge in "Primary Care!
Your way off. IF an 18D is the only care provider available, then he is, in fact, a Primary Care Provider. Primum non nocere. Every 18D knows this crede, and is sworn to it like any other "primary care provider". Thus, your suposition that 18Ds must be reigned in, does not bode well with me. I know my responsibilities vary with my envoronment, and gladly defer to those more qualified than me. Sometimes, that means defering to those that are more CERTIFIED tham me. Such is life, and such is the nature of this thread.

[ussfpa]

AAAARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
LANNISTER-ENOUGH ALREADY.
Nearly every time you start tapping out some response on SOCNet you friggin cause a problem....WHY? BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT and are trying to APPEAR more educated than you ACTUALLY ARE.:mad:
I have told you time and time and fookin TIME AGAIN.. Do you listen ...NO.
Your previous attempts to impress regarding your "education" were not received well here. The LENGTHY pat on the back you gave yourself with your own "love me bio" does nothing to change that.
NO ONE HERE CARES
I don't care "WHAT YOU HAVE READ".
I don't care "WHAT YOU HEARD".
I don't care "WHAT YOU THINK".
You have exactly ZERO first hand knowledge regarding Special Operations Medicine. And THAT is what this thread is about...Transferring of SPECIAL OPERATIONS MEDICINE EXPERIENCE to civilian certification.

You have set a poor example since you got here and you have been an embarrassment regarding the professional medical community.
I have corrected you, I have asked you to follow the instructions here...and I have then TOLD YOU to follow the instructions here. It is obvious that self inflated ego prevents you from doing so.
You are done here...

PA

[Frog]

Banned by popular demand.

LANNISTER, sit the next 6 months out.

[Silverbullet]

The day I don't log on first thing in the morning someone decides they don't need to comply with my instructions as well as not listen to another Mod.

Thanks Frog.

I'll prune out the offending posts so the conversation can continue on.

[team5medic]

did SFMEDIC finally get his answer PA??
i was gone on a field trip.
Respectfully
chuck

[ussfpa]

did SFMEDIC finally get his answer PA??
i was gone on a field trip.
Respectfully
chuck
I am actually waiting for the California Board of Nursing to write back. If there is nothing by Monday evening, I am going to send a follow-up message.

PA

[sfmedicw9]

just here keeping my head down after the Lannister flash bang

Ive worn out the google button on this trying to get some more info. Got the reccommended credits from ussfpa and did an excell spread sheet on the credits from the old 91B and the 18D plus all my other things 18Z / 18B / etc etc etc and after taking out the credits one gets from the other "exhibits" it doesnt come out to very much as mentioned before.

California sounds pretty accomidating compared to NC, In 2000 I took the practice exam for RN and did pretty well. BUT cant sit for an exam without diploma in hand

My original post was written out of disbelief that an 18D cant get a job in NC even on a EMT level or LPN level or even as a phlebotomist or any other lab skills without starting from scratch (exeptions noted above with the credit discussion)

I used to train my own nurses and lab guys but that doesnt matter.

Then you got Lannister talking about not being a primary care provider - well the team guys can get evacuated to higher but the indig doesnt in most cases soooo. unless a Doc shows up (doesnt happen) the 18D IS the primary care provider for the LBGs or am i missing something?

as far as width and breadth of skills - I'll beat an MD any day of the week on lab when the electricity goes off and will beat him in 3rd world dieseases. And funny how when the 18Ds went through ATLS they ended up showing the docs a thing or two.

I know im not a Doc, I know im not a PA but I also know that I and other 18Ds could excel in any emergency room / trauma center / hospital ward without another piece of paper.

Just seems like there should be some sort of transition mechanism in place

[DY]

My original post was written out of disbelief that an 18D cant get a job in NC even on a EMT level or LPN level or even as a phlebotomist or any other lab skills without starting from scratch (exeptions noted above with the credit discussion)
I worked EMS in NC several years ago. It was not fun. Pay was dispicable, and I got "the eye" when I started talking to coworkers about it.

I would love to know more about your experience taking the practice exam in Cali, then compare it to any info USSFPA comes down with.

[sfmedicw9]

I took the practice exam (which was an outdated exam) in NC - $50.00
placed what would have been in the top 10% had that been the current test.

DID NOT study anything outside of the 300F1 materials and relying on past experience in SF

The only thing I ever did in Calif. was the hyperbaric medicine program for the University of Southern Cal. (on catalina island) - There too the Army DMT course was better than their program - especially with the emphasis on neuro. The USC course was not much more than a monkey turning valves and following recompression tables. Their big thinkig reqirement was the diagnosis of an O2 Hit - whoopie

and another freakin sore point was all those ATLS course we had to attend with DOCTORS who got their certificates that meant something - we (the SF guys) got certificates of attendance - good for parakeet cages and ass wipe

Despite the fact that SF guys breezed through those courses and THEN went on to additional training with lab refreshers.

[Expatmedic]

sfmedicw9 wrote

and another freakin sore point was all those ATLS course we had to attend with DOCTORS who got their certificates that meant something - we (the SF guys) got certificates of attendance - good for parakeet cages and ass wipe




I did the same thing when I went to an ATLS class, except I got to go to the lab portion and actually taught the surgical airway section. Granted this was in Riyadh. But yeah, it was a bit gratifying and didn't even get a COA.

[ussfpa]

Well...Monday has come and gone without so much as a peep back from the Republik of Kalifornia board of nursing education and certification. Follow up message sent this AM.

As far as ATLS goes...
It's no different for us PA's...even as a Fellowship trained Emergency Medicine and Trauma PA where I TEACH multiple subjects and labs for the course...I only receive a certificate saying that I audited the course.
That's OK though...at least Dentists can still get certified for attending :p

PA

[sfmedicw9]

so how the heck does that make sense?

I mean someone has to take a step back and look at this and say hmmmmm

[Expatmedic]

For those interested. If you will make a list of questions and get them to me I can call or stop by the BRN and get the info you want. I'm in the 916.

[DY]

My questions would be; Is the system still in place to prove military certification to sit for the exam? And is residency required?

[sfmedicw9]

yea thats the thing - Not in NC in early 03 at least

They want a degree in hand corresponding to the exam LPN / RN / PA etc

USSFPA posted what is available - a few core course curriculum credits and some in the lower division that apply to electives if your lucky.

A thought I had abought 5 years back was to challenge individual course exams at a few places here in NC - NO WAY

ACT-PEP exams got me 12 credits in general nursing areas like (comminalities of nursing for 4 credits)

[MP18D]

Exapat,
I'll take care of it. Wont be horseback for a few days....:(

Mike

[Expatmedic]

Exapat,
I'll take care of it. Wont be horseback for a few days....:(

Mike

Got it. You would rather hang out at the BRN than go riding.:cool:

John

[sfmedicw9]

It's a horse. Not a dog or a 4-wheeler. Understand it as a horse, respect it as a horse and treat it like a horse. Only then will you truly know the joy of owning a horse.


Unless its an arabian with mental and stubborness "issues"

[MP18D]

I am in possession of the packet to apply to California BRN. It has changed little since I went thru this goatrope in the early 90's. It is just more "electronic". I did it all by mail and personal visit.
A candidate (!) has to obtain one of these. Go to www.rn.ca.gov then move to the left to "forms and pubs". Open "forms" and scroll to "licensure by examination" It is a 26page PDF document.
Fill it out. Page 9 lists "corpsman". I do not know of anyone that has had their application turned down. Maybe it has happened, I am just unaware of it.
Get your fingerprints done. In Cali most agencies now have electronic fingerprinting, at about 50 bucks per. The print report (called Livescan) is forwarded to the BRN. There are detailed instructions on dealing with fingerprints.
Page 11 is the application itself. Lower right is the section for "corpsman". Self explanatory. Again, BRN is [B]very [B]familier with 18D's and to a lesser extent SEAL corpsmen. I am not really sure about PJs and the Board; I think most of them go to a paramedic program as that is kinda their slant, work as firefighter-paramedics and get paid a hugh amount of money to sleep!!:D Anyhow
In the packet is a transcript request. The school is SWC. This needs to be sent off to Bragg. When I did it the NCOIC of MedLab took care of printing up a generic transcript and getting it to the Board. Now I suppose there is a civillian or something..
You should also submit, with your application, a letter from your BN surgeon or the like. It needs to state what a great guy you are, how talented you are, and that you will make a great nurse. The letter should also give a brief overview of your medical expertise and the kinds of things you have done for this MD. I would [B]de-emphasize [B] the shooter part of your job and talk about all the IV's started, injections given, patient teaching done etc. You all get the point, I'm sure.
Also attach a resume/CV paying particular attention to your 18D career, schools, deployments etc.
When all this is done according to the checklist, mail it in.
Be prepared to wait and wait. They will probably ask for more documentation somewhere along the line. Be patient and deal with the foolishness. It really is a serious undertaking!
Guys, the bottom line is this. You are applying for a potential 6 figure job. I dont have to tell you about the responsibility you will have as a RN. You need to make this application look like you are ready, willing and most of all able to take and pass the NCLEX, then go to work as a nurse.
The folks at the Board (and you can guess of the makeup of the BRN) take their job seriously. They know that passing the NCLEX is easy, that it will give you the ability to call yourself a Registered Nurse, go to work as an RN, even tho a new grad RN (and that includes you) knows almost nothing. They are aware that this process is very "unconventional" and potentially hazardous. They scrutinize these apps throughly. But they do almost no back-checking of the facts. They hope that they weed out the "license by examination" folks who will end up screwing the pooch and hurting someone down the line. The only tool they have to do this is the application packet........
I am gonna be laid up sorry around the house for a couple days (No it wasnt an Arabian....jus a young'en) so can help with any questions.
I also have a local contact who used to sit on the Board. He is now one of the chief EMS nurses in the state. As a VN era 18D he was a "license by examination" guy. He too will help with any and all questions. I have his fone # if anyone wants to talk to him.

When you finally get the letter with your test authorization #, then for sure call me. I will pass on the wisdom towards the test that was given to me and hook you up with folks (both guys and gals) that are sympathetic to what you're doing and have recently taken the NCLEX. Be prepared to take a review class and study several review guides. In fact, start that process now...

Mike

[sfmedicw9]

wow thats excellent - will get in touch with you via email as soon as I get my inetrnet up and running again (on the way back to Iraq tommorrow) should be on my next thursday - changing houses in Erbil

Sounds very doable so far

How many 18Ds have you known to actually do this ?

[MP18D]

that went that route and have worked as RN's.
1 went on to Med School, 2 or 3 are now PAs.
1 I am not sure about; he may have been a "license by exam" guy prior to med school and eventually the Surgeon General. I do know that Dr. Carmona's brother was....
Mike

[DY]

Is California residency a requirement?

[MP18D]

DY,
Sorry, I forgot to answer that earlier. I do not know for sure, but don't see anything in the regs/laws that mandate residency.
However, realize that because California enables you the take the NCLEX and grant an RN license, not all states recognize that license. It is a state by state thing. I know Nevada does, and N. Carolina must...Other than that I do not know.
And the military requires a baccalaurete degree/BSN.
Mike