No Country for Old Men

[Scotty]

I saw this last night and was HIGHLY impressed until about the last 15 minutes. If you haven't seen this movie and want to, DON'T! The ending is CRAPTASTIC.

***SPOILER WARNING***
- You never really find out what happens to the lead character (you assume he's dead but don't see how), you think he MIGHT be alive because his wife buries her mother for no apparent reason (you don't know how she dies, though it says early that she has cancer - you don't know if this caused it), but you don't get any closure.

- The killer shows up to kill the lead character's wife, but in their conversation you think he might not. The next scene he's walking out of her house and wipes his shoe on something and drives away and that's the last you see of her.

- There's 2 million dollars (conveniently fitting into a small and easily portable briefcase) that you don't have a clue what happened to, you assume the guys who possibly killed the lead character may have taken it. (!?)

- The killer's car gets broadsided after leaving the main character's wife and he stumbles away with a broken arm to God knows where. No closure.

- The cop in the movie (Tommy Lee Jones) decides to retire and doesn't know what to do with himself, so he tells his wife a story about a dream he has of his deceased father making a campfire somewhere and the credits come up, movie's over.

WHAT THE F**KING SH*TASS CRAPOLA C*CKSUCKING ENDING IS THAT!?!? I was furious. The entire movie, I was like "I've got to see this again, I'm going to buy this! Best movie of the year!" And at the end I wanted to punch the author's mother in the throat for having such a dumbass writer as a son!

And so ends another "night at the movies", I'm your host...

Scotty

[KidA]

******* SPOILERS******

1: Title Character. Dead.

2: Title Character's wife: Dead.

(I think they may not have shown these extra killings due to ratings requirements)

3: $2 million. Killer got it. Remember he figured out the hiding place at the first motel.

4: TLJ monologue: Gay.

[MikeC2W]

I read the book a while back....

I think the killer actually killed the lead guy. He (killer) flips a coin on the girl....she looses and he kills her.

Tommy Lee Homo, has been gay for a long time now.

[Massgrunt]

WHAT THE F**KING SH*TASS CRAPOLA C*CKSUCKING ENDING IS THAT!?!? I was furious. The entire movie, I was like "I've got to see this again, I'm going to buy this! Best movie of the year!" And at the end I wanted to punch the author's mother in the throat for having such a dumbass writer as a son!

And so ends another "night at the movies", I'm your host...

Scotty
So I was right to sleep through the end? Bu I read the book and KidA's right. If I recall correctly from the book they don't explicitly say who killed Lewellyn, but he's definitely dead.


EDIt: Basically, everybody dies but Chighur. Tommy Lee's wife's horse dies, he dies, and the last scene in the book is Chighur winning the lottery while kicking a puppy to death. It's very European in that way.

[Scotty]

Just from watching the movie you're not sure. And it sucks ass. If the killer got the money, why does he walk off at the end without it? Unless he's stashed it somewhere.

I'm STILL angry about that damn movie! LOL Wasting my MF time!

[KidA]

If I recall correctly from the book they don't explicitly say who killed Lewellyn, but he's definitely dead.

yeah that bit was confusing. At first I thought that he lived. I mean you see the wife collapse in tears so she knows he's dead, but then I thought for a second that he lived and was hiding and the closing scene would be them reunited somewhere.

Well that clearly didn't happen.

So between the shootout with the mexicans and the killer showing up, title character's dead but it is unclear who actually shot the bullet.

The only reason I suspect the killer got the dough was due to its hiding place and the vent being removed. The Mexicans hadn't figured that out.

[MikeC2W]

Everyone dies except the bad guy, he gets the money, wins lotto and kicks a puppy to death....I'm all choked up remembering. What a great book.

[KidA]

Everyone dies except the bad guy, he gets the money, wins lotto and kicks a puppy to death....I'm all choked up remembering. What a great book.

Seriously? No shit? I thought Massgrunt was bullshitting...

[Massgrunt]

Seriously? No shit? I thought Massgrunt was bullshitting...

Sucker. :p

[C-M-R]

I'm STILL angry about that damn movie! LOL Wasting my MF time!

Ok then. I've been nagging poor Chuck to take me to NCFOM but after hearing what you have to say about it and reading the rest of the thread I reckon I'll just read the book.

Off-Topic but what do you want for Christmas baby boy? Not a copy of No Country For Old Men that's for sure. I'll pm you.

[Scotty]

LOL! Cool guy shirts and paraphernalia is always welcome! :D

Scotty

[bikewrench8541]

Llewellyn is not the 'title' character. Movie called "old men.."
He is the dumbass who thinks that he can pick up a case full of money and get away with it.
Chigurh is one of the horsemen.
TLJ is the old man, one of em anyway.
It's about making mistakes and having to pay for them, maybe...
It's a great book too, pretty much exactly the same.
Including the suppressed shotty.:(

[C-M-R]

LOL! Cool guy shirts and paraphernalia is always welcome! :D

Scotty

Amazing you should ask for that. I just got about three new ones that are totally "Cool Guy." No girlie shit, shirts.

[Scotty]

Not the "title" character, but the "main character". He's the one that the movie focuses on through its majority.

I don't know a lot about suppressers, but I get the feeling if you could suppress a bore as large as a shotty the can would have to be a LOT bigger than that! Good fictional concept though.

[SOTB]

Off-Topic but what do you want for Christmas baby boy?Well, its an unsolicited request, but if you are in the mood for buying presents, all this talk about kicking puppies to death has me wanting one of my own -- to kick....

[ex]

Why did the guy kill a puppy? :(
Was it just to illustrate what a psychopath he was? (No offense, SOTB! :D)

[MixedLoad]

Sorry Scotty, but give it a few hours, days or weeks and you'll probably end up digging the ending.

I thought the movie kicked ass. At the end out of all things that could have happened to him, Chighur almost gets killed by something completely random.

So he walks away scot free. He has the money, everyone involved is dead and the cop retires tired of the world.

[KidA]

Ok then. I've been nagging poor Chuck to take me to NCFOM but after hearing what you have to say about it and reading the rest of the thread I reckon I'll just read the book.


Criticism aside I'd still watch it. Apart from the monologue at the end (again: Gay times a billion) the movie was a fucking creep-fest and filmed perfectly. Sugar boy was badass.

And yes, I would have stolen the money too and any dumbass knows the first thing you look for in a bag of found money is the goddamned tracker, and then you look for the OTHER one. Then you switch cases. And you NEVER send a family member to live with a relative.

[smp52]

I read the book a while back....

I think the killer actually killed the lead guy. He (killer) flips a coin on the girl....she looses and he kills her.

Tommy Lee Homo, has been gay for a long time now.

The Mexicans kill the Llewelyn because his mother-in-law/wife spilled the beans that he was meeting them in that motel. Mexicans came to get their money, shoot out ensues, Llewelyn and one of the drug dealers is dead. The dudes flee without getting the money.

The movie was pretty awesome. Cormac McCarthy's books aren't your typical ending....

The only reason I suspect the killer got the dough was due to its hiding place and the vent being removed. The Mexicans hadn't figured that out.

Yup. In the movie they show the vent opened up with drag marks in it. But Chigurh gets there later on after the shoot out, when Ed Tom stops by to take one look before packing it up and heading home.

[smp52]

If the killer got the money, why does he walk off at the end without it? Unless he's stashed it somewhere.

He's got the money, but probably stashed. He pays the kid who gave the shirt off his back with a hundred dollar bill, just like Llewelyn did when he crossed the border into Mexico paying that one dude with 100 dollar bill for his jacket.

[Remington Raider]

I am a BIG fan of the Coen bros. but I think they phoned this one in. Maybe it was the original author, but this looked like regurgitated parts of "Fargo" and "A Simple Plan". I wuz robbed.:mad:

[Scotty]

He's got the money, but probably stashed. He pays the kid who gave the shirt off his back with a hundred dollar bill, just like Llewelyn did when he crossed the border into Mexico paying that one dude with 100 dollar bill for his jacket.

True, I didn't make the comparison until now. I guess I kind of hoped for a better ending for Llewelyn and his wife.

Matador, I'll give it a little while to ponder as you say but for now I'm still mad as hell. :D

Scotty

[Blue Tengu]

So from what I've heard and read, it seems if I ever found 2 mil in the desert, I should dump the cash into a large bag while looking for anything traceable and never, NEVER go back to the crime scene.

[Massgrunt]

I really liked the way this movie was shot. It looked real, especially the desert at night. And I liked how Lewellyn's humanity is what got him killed. He should have just shot that one dude in the beginning. All better, no need to go back. :D

[Bravo Five Romeo]

Great movie, beautifuly shot.

But...
***HERE BE SPOILERS***
I don't mind that they killed off a main character... I mind that we (as the audience) are denied being shown, or even told, how it went down. There is a build up to a confrontation at a motel where the money is going to be handed off. Our hero with the money is there, his wife is on her way, the Mexican gangsters are on their way, the badass assassin is on his way, the sheriff is on his way... a major confrontation is about to happen... and we are shown none of it. We are just shown a couple of bodies in the aftermath with no explanation of what happened or who did what.

I get what the Coen brothers were going for and I thought it was well done, but they teased the audience in the scenes leading up to that confrontation that there was going to be a pivotal scene... and then didn't show it. I kept waiting for a flashback scene to explain what went down. I loved the movie overall, but I felt a little cheated.

[KidA]

He should have just shot that one dude in the beginning. All better, no need to go back. :D

Yep. And taken more guns.

[C-M-R]

Well, its an unsolicited request, but if you are in the mood for buying presents, all this talk about kicking puppies to death has me wanting one of my own -- to kick....

You are such a pill. would you settle for a medium sized dog with a God Complex?

[Massgrunt]

Great movie, beautifuly shot.

But...
***HERE BE SPOILERS***


I get what the Coen brothers were going for and I thought it was well done, but they teased the audience in the scenes leading up to that confrontation that there was going to be a pivotal scene... and then didn't show it.
I believe that followed the book pretty faithfully though..

[ex]

You are such a pill. would you settle for a medium sized dog with a God Complex?
LOL!!! :D

[Spinner]

Everyone dies except the bad guy, he gets the money, wins lotto and kicks a puppy to death....I'm all choked up remembering. What a great book.

I haven't read fiction in awhile, but I've got this one on hold at the library. Now that I know its got a happy ending, I might just pass. :D

[Old_Starlight]

Off-Topic but what do you want for Christmas baby boy? Not a copy of No Country For Old Men that's for sure. I'll pm you.

Apologies in advance but I saw this and it reminded me of something I just had to share.....


So here there I was, just arrived in Waza Khwa (Paktika Prov A/stan) and I'm hanging on the FOB with some dudes from the 82nd. I open an email from me dear old mum and what do you think it says?

".......I worry that you're not warm enough. Also are they ("they" being the US Army) feeding you properly. Are you sure you will be ok there?"

So I am 41 yo, contracting now after a year or 12 kicking around in the Aussie Army and my mum wants to know if I am warm enough and if these Americans are looking after me!!!:rolleyes:

What to do here?

So I wander down to the DFAC with a print out of the mail and ask the Sarge to email mum....she (Sarge) laughs her ar$e off and promptly heads out to the MWR to email me 'dear old' and never ever let me live it down that me mum is asking after me.......:D I think they are still corrosponding!

So not COOL!!! LOL

Back to the regularly scheduled program....

Cheers,

AJ

[Jong]

I thought this movie rocked. I especially liked the unconventional ending.

[DuckMarshal]

Tommy Lee Homo, has been gay for a long time now.

Easy now. I still have his U.S. Marshals poster hanging up in my office.

-Duck

[TPD1280]

I'll wait for it to come out on Netflix.

[Horned Toad]

Easy now. I still have his U.S. Marshals poster hanging up in my office.

-Duck


After his three death of the tonk movie, which I didn’t see, I haven’t watched another of his movies. Fuck that shitbags.

[8822]

I enjoyed the book.

I really enjoyed the movie.

LOTS of people seem all upset that the story didn't have a conventional ending or a happy ending. They don't like it that there were lots of "loose ends" in the narrative that never got tied up in a nice, neat bow.

Well, real life doesn't always/usually have a happy ending, where everything is clear. Real life is random and unpredictable and not always "fair" or "just".

[Scotty]

I enjoyed the book.

I really enjoyed the movie.

LOTS of people seem all upset that the story didn't have a conventional ending or a happy ending. They don't like it that there were lots of "loose ends" in the narrative that never got tied up in a nice, neat bow.

Well, real life doesn't always/usually have a happy ending, where everything is clear. Real life is random and unpredictable and not always "fair" or "just".

I think enough of us have seen "real life" and, if like me, go to see a movie to be entertained. Leaving shit open (like every single thread of a movie) ended with no closure at all (for those that didn't read the book) is a shitty way to film a movie unless you're trying to sucker the audience into seeing the sequel. At least IMHO.

Scotty

[MikeC2W]

I enjoyed the book.

I really enjoyed the movie.

LOTS of people seem all upset that the story didn't have a conventional ending or a happy ending. They don't like it that there were lots of "loose ends" in the narrative that never got tied up in a nice, neat bow.

Well, real life doesn't always/usually have a happy ending, where everything is clear. Real life is random and unpredictable and not always "fair" or "just".


LMAO - no shit aye? This explains why Scotty and I don't hear music every time we enter a room? I could never figure that one out.:(

Thanks for taking that load off, finally I can rest at ease in the knowledge that life isn't actually fair and tidy. And here I thought it was just me.:rolleyes:

Thanks for the deep thoughts Mr. Handey.

Here's another Deep Thought: God is Crying (http://www.deepthoughtsbyjackhandey.com/media.asp?file=001)

[SATCOM]

Didn't like the ending, so maybe I'm too conventional.

[SOTB]

Wife rented it this weekend, along with two other "Oscar" movies -- those were both clearly chick flicks (although one, "Love in the Time of Cholera" was impressive in the sheer NUMBERS of chicks that dude supposedly fucks over his lifetime). I thought it was OK -- although maybe I am jumping to conclusions and thought that it was apparent the badguy got all of the money and killed everyone as well -- except for Tommy Lee Jones, who I initially thought when the movie jumped to his having decided to retire was implying that he had managed to kill the badguy and walk with the money himself -- obviously not the case.

I do wish that Hollywierd would spend just a LITTLE time on researching the realities of ballistics and even the sounds guns make....

[MADdog58]

Great movie, beautifuly shot.

But...
***HERE BE SPOILERS***
I don't mind that they killed off a main character... I mind that we (as the audience) are denied being shown, or even told, how it went down. There is a build up to a confrontation at a motel where the money is going to be handed off. Our hero with the money is there, his wife is on her way, the Mexican gangsters are on their way, the badass assassin is on his way, the sheriff is on his way... a major confrontation is about to happen... and we are shown none of it. We are just shown a couple of bodies in the aftermath with no explanation of what happened or who did what.

I get what the Coen brothers were going for and I thought it was well done, but they teased the audience in the scenes leading up to that confrontation that there was going to be a pivotal scene... and then didn't show it. I kept waiting for a flashback scene to explain what went down. I loved the movie overall, but I felt a little cheated.

I hear what you're saying about the showdown being incomplete, but I offer this thought:

The movie is obviously supposed to highlight the disparities between the old-school age of "simple" law enforcement and the new age of heinous and violence that these "old men" can't keep up with. I think the showdown was deliberatly arrived upon late so as to make the audience have to identify more with the feelings of TLJ in being too late, out fo the loop, etc. It gives you that feeling of being left out...and I believe this is probably what the writers were aiming for.

I could be off, but that's what entered my mind when I tried to come to grips with the last 15 minutes...

[KJ]

Just saw "The Mist", another movie with a craptastic ending and one to put on your "Don't see" list.

[SOTB]

Just saw "The Mist", another movie with a craptastic ending and one to put on your "Don't see" list.No way dude -- the ending WAS cool -- as long as you ignore the reality that sounds of battle travel long distances -- even in low-lying clouds.

I was expecting the ending to be like the book -- that it was not surprised me -- definitely a far gloomier ending (for him) than the book....

[Bravo Five Romeo]

I do wish that Hollywierd would spend just a LITTLE time on researching the realities of ballistics and even the sounds guns make....
There's always director Michael Mann for that (Heat, Miami Vice, etc.)

[Marvin Blank]

When Tommy Lee walks up on the motel after the shootout, and the one Mexican is crawling away, the dead body in the doorway is Lewellan. The problem is, I didn't realize that for like ten minutes (the way it is filmed it is not clear, and he kind of looks like a Mexican - Seriously, is a better close up of his face too much to ask for?). Like everyone else, I thought the movie was going on my top ten list, right up until the built up shoot out that never happened.

[NightLandNav]

There's always director Michael Mann for that (Heat, Miami Vice, etc.)

x2 BFR.

The bank fight in Heat; the distant weapon fire, that shit sounded real.

[Scotty]

x2 BFR.

The bank fight in Heat; the distant weapon fire, that shit sounded real.

I had the next door neighbor ready to call the police before deciding to come to my house one night after playing heat a "little loud" on my digital surround sound. Yeah, it sounds pretty real! LOL

Also one of my favorite movies! Michael Mann is by far one of my favorite directors. I just wish he'd had more say in the latest "Miami Vice" movie... :(

Scotty

[Matchanu]

Sheesh!

You guys simply did not pay attention.


Main charactor is killed by the mexican maifa guys at the hotel.

Sugar kills his wife later because of principle, (He made a deal that he'd only kill the main charactor and leave his wife alone if he gave him the money, he refused).

The lack of knowledge were or who has the money is supposed to be a point of contention and discussion.

My only question, was Woody Harilson supposed to be a retired Army Col.?


I thought the move rocked.

[Cubbies Suck]

I hear what you're saying about the showdown being incomplete, but I offer this thought:

The movie is obviously supposed to highlight the disparities between the old-school age of "simple" law enforcement and the new age of heinous and violence that these "old men" can't keep up with. I think the showdown was deliberatly arrived upon late so as to make the audience have to identify more with the feelings of TLJ in being too late, out fo the loop, etc. It gives you that feeling of being left out...and I believe this is probably what the writers were aiming for.

I could be off, but that's what entered my mind when I tried to come to grips with the last 15 minutes...

Whats with this "old school age of simple law enforcement and the new age of heinous and violence that these old men can't keep up with"? I dare say that some of these "old men" can be on my team anytime. As a matter of fact, I'd take most them in a heartbeat over some these new guys. Most of those "old guys" are all BTDT kind of guys. The 60's and 70's were not exactly sedate times. Remember the SLA, SDS, FALN, BLP etc.?
Or am I missing your point?

[smp52]

The movie is obviously supposed to highlight the disparities between the old-school age of "simple" law enforcement and the new age of heinous and violence that these "old men" can't keep up with. I think the showdown was deliberatly arrived upon late so as to make the audience have to identify more with the feelings of TLJ in being too late, out fo the loop, etc. It gives you that feeling of being left out...and I believe this is probably what the writers were aiming for.

I've got a slightly different take on it. After the scene with the old LEO who lived in the filthy shack, TLJ's character comes upon the realization that bad shit has always existed and always will, and it was the energy/idealism of a young man that continues to fight such things off. Isn't that what the old guy tells him? Crooked sadistic bastards have always walked the earth. After years of experience and wisdom, one comes upon the realization that they can't make things 'better', only continue to fight pitched battles with evil. Once you're tired or don't cling to the illusion, it's time to hang it up and call it a day.

[Blacksmith]

Until the last 15 minutes I thought the movie was great... but despite the artsy ending, it still left me feeling like there were a half dozen loose ends. I actually waited through all of the credits hoping that there might be some surprise wrap-up scene at the end (as has been done in other flix)... but nothing.

This may have been a great character study, but I'll be damned if I'd agree with it for Best Picture at the Academy Awards!

[SOTB]

My only question, was Woody Harilson supposed to be a retired Army Col.?I also had that question -- I suppose the book might answer it -- I'll probably have to Google for the answer as I won't be satisfied until I have it.I thought the move rocked.Yes, not bad at all....

[312Marine]

After seeing this movie, I've got a new item on the Christmas wish list: cattle abattoir gun... probably not an ideal home defense weapon, and would look awkward on a police report (or witness stand), but the judge would probably give huge points for style and originality...

[Matchanu]

After seeing this movie, I've got a new item on the Christmas wish list: cattle abattoir gun... probably not an ideal home defense weapon, and would look awkward on a police report (or witness stand), but the judge would probably give huge points for style and originality...


Interesting breaching tool.

[Blacksmith]

I'm not sure how it would work with a dead bolt... shoot the center out of the lock... but the bolt is still in the slot. Now you gotta jack around with a flat blade to pull the bolt loose. Granted it's quieter than other breachers... but so was his SILENCED shotgun. That's Hollywierd for you!

[Guy]

Pretty good movie...

I'd also suggest renting...

Into The Wild
Gone Baby Gone
Trade

Stay safe.

[MADdog58]

Whats with this "old school age of simple law enforcement and the new age of heinous and violence that these old men can't keep up with"? I dare say that some of these "old men" can be on my team anytime. As a matter of fact, I'd take most them in a heartbeat over some these new guys. Most of those "old guys" are all BTDT kind of guys. The 60's and 70's were not exactly sedate times. Remember the SLA, SDS, FALN, BLP etc.?
Or am I missing your point?

Cubbies: I think you may have misread what I said. My intent was to state that the premise of the movie, right from the original narration in the opening sequence, was to highlight the struggle of these particular "old men" with keeping up with modern times. The movie makes TLJ out to be more of an Andy of Mayberry type, who is cast into this situation of extreme violence out of character with his particular setting. The writer uses this to underscore the drastic disparity between the two generations.

I've got zero, say again, zero, issue with any of the "old guys" who can still safely do the job. Hell, when I went through police sciences in college my FTO had something like 23 years on the job. I learned more form him than any instructor ever could have taught me. He still had the same percentage of piss 'n vinegar in his blood that I did, and we got along fine.

On a side note, he was an especially good mentor for a young hard charger. I'm reminded of an old anecdote that I'm sure most have heard...A father bull and and his son are on a hill, overlooking a field full of cows. The young bull says to his father: "hey, dad, let's run down there and f#@k one of those cows!" Then the father turns to his son, and says: "Son, why don't we walk down there and f#@k them all?". My FTO took the same attitude to policing.

"Gooner", wherever you are these days, I hope you're safe and happy.

I hope that clears up a little bit about my previous statement.

[C-M-R]

Pretty good movie...

I'd also suggest renting...

Into The Wild
Gone Baby Gone
Trade

Stay safe.

We watched Gone Baby Gone, No Country For Old Men and the Brave One all in the same day. Shit! I needed The Mist just to lighten the freaking mood a little.

Gone Baby Gone and No Country For Old Men are liberal ass movies that are supposed to make you think. I just want to be entertained. Leave the philosophy for Art House films.

[Cubbies Suck]

Cubbies: I think you may have misread what I said. My intent was to state that the premise of the movie, right from the original narration in the opening sequence, was to highlight the struggle of these particular "old men" with keeping up with modern times. The movie makes TLJ out to be more of an Andy of Mayberry type, who is cast into this situation of extreme violence out of character with his particular setting. The writer uses this to underscore the drastic disparity between the two generations.

I've got zero, say again, zero, issue with any of the "old guys" who can still safely do the job. Hell, when I went through police sciences in college my FTO had something like 23 years on the job. I learned more form him than any instructor ever could have taught me. He still had the same percentage of piss 'n vinegar in his blood that I did, and we got along fine.

On a side note, he was an especially good mentor for a young hard charger. I'm reminded of an old anecdote that I'm sure most have heard...A father bull and and his son are on a hill, overlooking a field full of cows. The young bull says to his father: "hey, dad, let's run down there and f#@k one of those cows!" Then the father turns to his son, and says: "Son, why don't we walk down there and f#@k them all?". My FTO took the same attitude to policing.

"Gooner", wherever you are these days, I hope you're safe and happy.

I hope that clears up a little bit about my previous statement.


My mistake. We apparently are on the same page.

[JohnG]

I don't know how many other people thought it was interesting to see Woody Harrleson playing a hit man, and a guy named Sugra involved. I thought this was interesting because Harelson's father, Charles Harrrelson, was convicted in the murder from hire of a federal judge, James "Maximum" Woods.
Charles Harrelson was hired by Jamile "Jimmy" Chagra, at the time, the biggest drug dealer in the El Paso/Vegas area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamiel_Chagra

[Metalchica]

But is it "sequel-worthy"? :D



Javier Bardem is going to play Escobar in "Killing Pablo".

[NightLandNav]

...
Javier Bardem is going to play Escobar in "Killing Pablo".

...A casting decision that received little argument, considering how long they've been looking, and the line-up of who wanted the title role.

Bardem is currently at the top of the pop-culture identification list as a scaryfuckinghomocidalsociopath. He doesn't have to "ramp-up" for audiences to accept him as a ruthless drug lord...if anything, he'll have to tone it down.

Which is easier.

Friend-O.

;)

[KidA]

Javier Bardem is going to play Escobar in "Killing Pablo".

Well now we'll get to see all the SEAL posers switch to being "Delta" posers.
:mad:

[NightLandNav]

Well now we'll get to see all the SEAL posers switch to being "Delta" posers.
:mad:

...yea, but no doubts about it being BS.

[KidA]

...yea, but no doubts about it being BS.

True. Asking them what CAG actually stands for is likely the only question you'll have to ask.

[busdriver]

I read the book during a week long daze of waiting in Qatar, so if I'm a bit wrong, sorry.

Woody's character is an SF LtCol Nam vet.

TLJ's father was a "war hero" and the old guy in the shack his uncle. Part of that discussion involved TLJ learning his father's story from WW2 wasn't the heroic tale he thought growing up. The whole story was a bit existential in nature.

[IP_Inbound]

I've seen lots of high-speed low-drag weapons in my time, but I can't say I've ever seen a can on a boomer. This smacks of Hollywood bullshit.

Any of you gun nuts ever heard of such a thing?

[Bravo Five Romeo]

I've seen lots of high-speed low-drag weapons in my time, but I can't say I've ever seen a can on a boomer. This smacks of Hollywood bullshit.

Any of you gun nuts ever heard of such a thing?

Yes.

Here's a short video of a sound suppressor on a mossberg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j5P0LXemAA)
It doesn't stay silent long though.

And here's a pic of a tactical shotgun silencer.
http://www.tacticaloperations.com/swatsep2000/pic1.jpg

[IP_Inbound]

Yes.

Here's a sound suppressor on a mossberg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j5P0LXemAA)

http://www.tacticaloperations.com/swatsep2000/pic1.jpg

You sure it's not a stand-off for breaching?

[Bravo Five Romeo]

You sure it's not a stand-off for breaching?

The Clandestine 12, pictured above, is primarily for breaching.
I just threw in that picture to point out there are silenced shotguns.
The silenced Mossberg in the video I linked is not for breaching.

Effective and reliable sound suppressors for shotguns?
I don't know.
But the movie is not being unrealistic to show it.

[mrwill]

Definitely the slickest acting and talking villian in the movies...even if he does look like that guy in Happy Gilmore with the nail in his head.

"I didn't put nothin' up!"
"You've been putting it up your whole life, you just never knew it"

Classic.

[busdriver]

The silenced shotgun is in the book, so Hollywierd isn't at fault in this case.

[bmbsqd]

I was also disappointed in this movie, but I did like that air gun!!

Also not impressed with There Will Be Blood. Seems the latest "artistic" method in the movies is to leave a fucked up ending!

[Spinner]

Also not impressed with There Will Be Blood. Seems the latest "artistic" method in the movies is to leave a fucked up ending!

That's a trend that comes and goes over time. Chinatown was a great movie, but in the end nothing is really resolved.

[eltrane]

That's a trend that comes and goes over time. Chinatown was a great movie, but in the end nothing is really resolved.


The Two Jakes sorted it out, I thought.

[ironpaw]

...A casting decision that received little argument, considering how long they've been looking, and the line-up of who wanted the title role.

Bardem is currently at the top of the pop-culture identification list as a scaryfuckinghomocidalsociopath. He doesn't have to "ramp-up" for audiences to accept him as a ruthless drug lord...if anything, he'll have to tone it down.

Which is easier.

Friend-O.

;)

I really liked him in Collateral...playing another ruthless drug lord...he didn't have that much screentime but he sure used it well!

[Spinner]

The Two Jakes sorted it out, I thought.

It did, and I think it's a better movie than most critics gave it credit for. I think they were comparing it to the original, which would have been hard to top.

As it turns out, the whole Chinatown saga was supposed to play out over three films, but they were lucky to get the two of them made.

I suppose some issues were resolved in the first film. For instance we found out that the young girl that Hollis Mulwray was seeing was Evelyn Mulwray's sister AND (slap) daughter. :D

[grappler]

Javier Bardem is going to play Escobar in "Killing Pablo".

As of now...

Javier Bardem - Pablo Escobar
Christian Bale - Major Steve Jacoby
Joe Carnahan - Director

[NightLandNav]

Spinner, valid points. Critics aside, "Resolution" is too often equated with "come-up-ance". The cinematic necessity to have every nemesis in the story meet some form of direct or indirect poetic justice before the appearance of film credits.

"The Two Jakes" unnecessarily over-told a story. It would have been a better film if "resolving" a previous film wasn't a production objective.

Good stories have loose ends that aren't critical to the plot. They keep viewers contemplating the sub-plots of the story long after they've left the theater...it even makes people watch the film again out of curiosity... to do what? ...try and figure out loose ends.

Then when that runs out, there's another nickle to be made resolving that remaining curiosity... and BAM, sequel.

"The Two Jakes" was good, but it keeps distracting you here and there with reminders that it's "trying" to do something outside the present story.

But, that's nit-picking.


Christian Bale, great. Empire of the sun was inspirational and redeeming, incredible acting.
That said...ISTMFG!, is there no American actors who can play Americans left in Holly-weird anymore. The Brits complain about Gwyneth Paltrow, but JFC, we've got so many Brits, Aussies and Kiwi's playing Americans in US productions you can't swing a dead cat on set without hitting one.

[CPTAUSRET]

Old thread.

We just watched the DluRay DVD...Retired Army COL=Woody Harrelson? Cigur obviously killed the wife that's her blood he is wiping off his boots exiting her house.

Well done, but wasn't thrilled w/the ending, of course if that's how it's written...

[BOFH]

OK Then...so I've done some research, and drawn a few pictures...and I have the shotgun suppressor figured out. I was trying to figure out how to suppress the sound from a gun firing buckshot...and avoid having the baffles in the suppressor fucked by the shot. I figured it out now. You would need a suppressor that slips over the barrel, such that the end of the barrel is even with the end of the suppressor, similar to the "integral suppressors," on some existing weapons. Inside this suppressor, the barrel would have holes drilled, or in some way be "ported," to allow gases to vent into the suppressor, decreasing the noise of the shot, while still allowing the buckshot to freely travel down the length of the barrel. I don't know, however, if this would retain enough muzzle velocity to make the shotfun a truly effective tool anymore...if I ever vacation in a country that allows it, I might have to experiment with a cheapo shotgun and homemade suppressor. Either way, I'm thinking if it can be done, that's gotta be the only way.

[8Ball]

OK Then...so I've done some research, and drawn a few pictures...and I have the shotgun suppressor figured out. I was trying to figure out how to suppress the sound from a gun firing buckshot...and avoid having the baffles in the suppressor fucked by the shot. I figured it out now. You would need a suppressor that slips over the barrel, such that the end of the barrel is even with the end of the suppressor, similar to the "integral suppressors," on some existing weapons. Inside this suppressor, the barrel would have holes drilled, or in some way be "ported," to allow gases to vent into the suppressor, decreasing the noise of the shot, while still allowing the buckshot to freely travel down the length of the barrel. I don't know, however, if this would retain enough muzzle velocity to make the shotfun a truly effective tool anymore...if I ever vacation in a country that allows it, I might have to experiment with a cheapo shotgun and homemade suppressor. Either way, I'm thinking if it can be done, that's gotta be the only way.

Somebody was watching cable TV tonight...:biggrin:

Interesting hypothesis. I don't see why it wouldn't work. But, I am not a Can expert either.

[Walken1]

I wish I could find the article I read several years ago about a prototype that was supposedly very successful. If I remember correctly it was a combo of a new ammo with the supressor.
For some reason I remember it being devoloped with or for the Navy.
I have done a lot of drinking since then so I could be totally wrong. :biggrin: I'll keep looking.

[Walken1]

http://www.guns.connect.fi/rs/rifles.html

Scroll down a bit. Interesting. This obviously wasn't the article that I mentioned, but still pretty cool,

[Walken1]

http://www.gunatics.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-1500.html

I think this is the article. Google is awesome

[BOFH]

So, the real question is, when will common sense prevail? When will the government decide I don't have to go through all the crazy BS to own one?

[magician]

That dude should have won the Oscar for Most Fucked Up Haircut.

[GOAT556]

on the topic of Cormac McCarthy, I can'twait to see the road. The book was great.