? About helo insertions for swat

[dog4659]

Ive been looking at a site for the Long Beach MS STAR team and the guy said that they use helo insertions . So i wanted to know if anyone has ever heard about swat units using this.

[Sharky]

I would guess that any SWAT team with access to a Helo would naturally practice insertions. But not all SWAT teams have that access. I think that was probably more the point he was trying to make. Nothing very special about a helo insertion. Just a ride to work.

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[RECON5]

Dog-

Sharky hit the mark, it's just a ride...granted one that takes some practice to use effectively, but just a ride. After our S.O. got a couple of black hawks, we prepared for the scenario on several occassions, and made that part of our training. Helo insertions are just another tool for those, who are lucky enough to have the access.

[bd]

You mean OH-58 Kiowa's, right? ;-)

BD

[HmtPD2]

Just out of curiosity, and after flying many a mile in the back of a UH-60 Black hawk,(in the military) what County Sheriff has two of them? On top of that, I think they cost about $3 million each. Supportive city council I guess?

[DCH]

RECON!,

Don't cave!

You can still plead the FIFTH!

[RECON5]

DCH - No caving....I think was misleading or my edit to that post didnt take. BD corrected the error in his post. We originally trained using the Nat'l guards Black Hawk's, The S.O. actually acquired two OH-58's I believe is the correct "nomenclature". We then started training with the S.O.'s helo's since it would be a lot more probable they would be the most available, unless God forbid we have another Davidian incident.

REMEMBER 1*

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[Terry Jones]

I've been doing a little research for a project, and I need some help.

Of the following aircraft, which would you
choose(and why)
*budget isn't a factor*

your agency's responsibilities include SAR,
medevac, and tactical insertion/extraction

(In Particular)
UH-1N
SH-3
H-34

Any other platforms suitable?
Thanks!
Terry

[HmtPD2]

I would take the UH-1.

R. Steht
Sgt/ USMC
0331/ 8152/ 8154
Police Officer

[FLTCREW1]

Terry,

I would have to split it between 2. For the Medivac I would use the modern UH-1 (four bladed twin engine system) For anything else I would use the Hughs(sp?) 500.

If I absolutely had only one choice I would have to go with the huey, for the "multi-purpose" role, i.e medivac, I've never seen a 500 used for that.

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[DCH]

TJ,

The L.A. Sheriff's Dept. recently procured several surplus SH-3's from the Navy, as I'm sure you know, mainly for their USAR/medevac missions. The SeaKing seems too outdated in my opinion, and more suited for maritime (sea level altitude) operations, rather than in higher altitude mountain rescues that are their predominant call outs.

With the advent of NOTAR equipped helo's, I wouldn't be surprised if BOEING developed their 6-seat MD-600's and came out with a rear-ramped cargo airframe, similar to that of the Sikorsky CH-53 Stallion, for Urban Search and Rescue role.

$0.02
-DCH

[Terry Jones]

Thanks for the assists; your experience and opinions are a great help http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif

Thanks

[WS-G]

The SeaKing seems too outdated in my opinion, and more suited for maritime (sea level altitude) operations, rather than in higher altitude mountain rescues that are their predominant call outs.

Very little question of that, DCH. One helo from the same period (well, a bit earlier, actually!) that continues to perform admirably in the high-altitude SAR role is the Aerospatiale Alouette III. This aircraft has been on my "must-fly-someday" list ever since the mid-70's. Stil, the venerable Alou lacks the payload capacity of the Huey.

Then again, I'm surprised no-one's tossed my contribution into the ring yet:

Mi-24 Hind

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[Tracy]

Originally posted by William M Salter:

...Then again, I'm surprised no-one's tossed my contribution into the ring yet:

Mi-24 Hind


Hinds have a REAL hard time hovering out of ground effect at altitude. Hinds had to constantly move when hunting Mujs in Afghanistan; and did running take offs and landings at their bases.

Huey is the best choice of the three: There's a HUGE amount of inertia stored in those blades. If there's a loss of power, a Huey can land, then hover, make a half turn and set down again. From a safety stand point, that's a good thing; meaning better 'controlled' crashes.

After crashing twice in Huey's (and twice in C-130s) I want any edge I can get.

[WS-G]

Hadn't considered it from that angle, Tracy, but those are both excellent points. Huey time (or time on any turbine-powered helo) for me doesn't look like it's going to happen for at least another 7 or 8 years. All my actual stick-time in the past 20 years has been fixed-wing to date — even time on a Schweizer 300 or a Robinson has been priced out of my reach.

[andrew51]

if i were to pick a helicopter it would definately be the huey, but swat teams with acces to helicpters practice fast roping and rappeling down roaps on the helicopter. they actually have a badge for it when the training is done.

sorry bout that, i meant to say fast roping. that would be kinda funny with the tight roping though

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[Tracy]

Originally posted by andrew51:
...swat teams with acces to helicpters practice tight roping and rappeling down roaps on the helicopter...

Tight Roping? That must be the Barnum SWAT Team. Actually, that's an interesting mental picture; running a steel cable from the chopper to a ground anchor and putting the blue hamsters on it. We could sell tickets...

[FLTCREW1]

TRACY,

LMFAO, I'll bring that up work, see how it goes.
"No, really, SWAT is doing it, we should be able to, come on, let's try"

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[Terry Jones]

I think Andrew was speaking of Detroit's SRT, Discovery had a special on them where team members who fastroped out of a helo recieved the Air Assault badge

[wolfhound227]

yeah,but they didn't have that hampster thing goin' on...

[DFC5343]

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