Border Patrol Agent Assaulted

[Jeff Rambo]

Sharky asked me to post these pictures for him, so at his request ... click the link below.
http://www.sourcerunner.com/stuff/socnet/sharky.htm

I just threw them on the page to make it easier on the UBB Processing here on SOCNET since it's quite a few pictures.

Should work in any IE/NS 4.X browser +
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From Sharky-
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photos are of a Border Patrol vehicle in Douglas, AZ where an agent was
assaulted last month. He was signcutting near Douglas when an illegal
ambushed him with a huge rock. The rock went through the drivers side window
and struck the agent in the head. He was able to hit the emergency button on
his vehicle radio before he lost consciousness. Good thing or he would have
bled out quickly. He lived but I understand he will have permanent brain
damage.

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Sincerely,
Jeff A. Rambo
NBTNDT
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Disrespect cannot be commanded, it must be earned.

[jcollettusa]

That is fucked up! Do they have any suspects or leads?

[wolfhound227]

Ya know...That "It's a big desert" thing works both ways....

[Augie]

This is the Shit that really Pisses Me Off! I heard of this incident But, after You see the Pictures it Hits Home. "just another Hard Working Illegal Trying to Better His Life". Hold On While I Puke!

[This message has been edited by Augie (edited 12-08-2000).]

[RECON5]

(Grabbing my gear) I am with you Wolfhound!!

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[BG]

Fuck me, man! A picture speaks a thousand words. Hope the suspect dehydrates to fucking death out there, but what goes around comes around. The suspect deserves a surprise and wake-up call that I can't put to paper.

What is a real shit thing about it is that the illegal could probably have just waited out and made it in country without a problem, but rather took the opportunity to try and kill/murder a LEO.

I will post the above link to another list and to our Pretoria HQ.

BG out.

[wolfhound227]

BG,
Some asshole has put a bounty out on Border Patrol agents.Sharky can clarify.Hopefully with an address.

[grrlcop74]

Suddenly that "Death Sentence 1881" post of mine takes on a whole new meaning....bastards.

Kristen

[DCH]

From the sounds of your posts about the ambush, I can tell I won't be able to stomach the blood of OUR brother LE Agent.


-Sickened

[Swat1]

Where's the public outcry, where's the media attention, where's the cry for dealing tougher with illegals??? OH It's just another cop got hurt....Isn't that what we get paid for????? I don't know about you guys but I'm sick of this attitude

rotating selector switch to full auto....

My best wishes to the Border Patrol and Sharky. Watch yourself bro.

Swat1*

[mdb23]

One of the most frequent complaints that I receive from people is that, "cops all have that us against them mentality."

I wish that they could see these pictures.

mdb23

[Augie]

Here's a quote form Doris Messiner the former Commissioner of the INS, that I used to have hanging up until management forced it's removal. I believe I have it Word for Word.

..."The Immigration and Naturalization Service will Not Resort to striclty Police style law enforcement Tactics to Enforce the Immigration laws of the United States since it is the right of everyone Human being to attempt to provide for their family."....

That sums up My Job alright.

F#@k You very much!



[This message has been edited by Augie (edited 12-09-2000).]

[1026]

Doris Meissner's comments don't surprise me, as her boss currently has this year's budget stalled on the hill because he wants to give 200,000 of these illegals amnesty.

I don't know how to make Congress get with the program; many politicians seem to have an interest in keeping this type of thing going.
The Democrats welcome all the new Democrat voters and many Republicans bow to the pressures of the agribusiness concerns, which like the cheap labor.

I wish the injured agent well and hope he recovers. To Sharky and any other soldiers fighting this war, stay safe and thank you for doing an utterly thankless job.

[BG]

wolfhound227 : Pity we can't do the same on the bounty, and get just rewards for nailing these fuckers!

1026 : 200 000...??? Shit, think if I paddle in on a rubber-duck they'll add me in on that list so I can get a real LE job in the US...??? *LOL!* One would think we could stand a better chance when immigrating. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif

BG out and about.

[Augie]

Well, BG I HATE to tell Ya, but We Only take Liars, Cheats, petty crimminals, drug dealers, and sometimes a terrorist. All the honest Guys Go back or get locked up in the detetion center. You being a Cop forget it!

1026 Do Not believe that Crap of amnesty for just 200,000 it's more like 2 or 3 million people, depends on the amount of fraud. Plus once they get there citizenship they'll apply for other family members to get legal status. The average person who recieved amnesty last time around applied for more than 20 other people: mothers, fathers, wives, childern, brothers, sisters and there childern too, etc.

As for the Public Out Cry about BAD Illegals here's a few. The World Trade Center Bombers were all arrested by INS at JFK airport when they tried to sneek in. Then let go, No detention space. About a year later BOOM! Carl Furghsen the Long Island Subway shooter an overstay on a B1/B2 visitor's visa. Rafel Ramirez (or what ever His real Name is.) The Rail way Killer Had been a Deported Criminal several times before and even served time for re-entry of Deportation. That's just off the top of my Head I know of more. The Media just don't care.
Oh well,
Be Safe

[BG]

Augie : Roger that, it's the way of the world! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/frown.gif But then we don't necessarily have to give up. Rules have been bent, many broken.

Stay safe bro!

[RogueExec]

The public attitude is all too familiar....we're the last ones they want to see, but when the crap hits the ventilator we're the first ones they call. Ironic, isn't it.

[ANACONDA]

THAT IS BULLSHIT.
I'M CURRENTLY A CADET IN AN LE-ACADEMY, SO I DONT HAVE ANY LE-EXPERIENCE.
BUT I DO HAVE 15 YRS. OF EXPERIENCE AS A PARAMEDIC, AND 5 YRS. AS A FIREFIGHTER.
IT AMAZES ME HOW THE OFFICE PUKES WILL SWING MORE DOUGH TO A FUCKING GOLF COURSE RATHER TO WHERE THE MONEY WILL ACTUALLY DO SOME WORK.
I'VE DONE A COUPLE OF STAND-BYS WHILE BORDER PATROL AND THE COYOTES / DRUGGIES TRADED SHOTS IN THE PAST. EVEN I KNOW THAT MOST OF THE ILLEGALS ARENT YOUR HAPPY-GO-LUCKY CROWD.
IT'S A SHAME THEY DON'T LET THE MARINES DO THEIR TRAINING ALONG THE BORDER LIKE THEY USED TO IN THE PAST.
WITH ALL THESE SHOOTINGS WITH THE MEX. ARMY, IT MIGHT BE INTRESTING.

ALL TRESSPASSERS WILL BE SHOT, SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN.

[WS-G]

Screw full-auto... for those who put bounties out on agents/officers, my vote is for skinning alive. The ancient Assyrians used to take an offender's hide off all in one piece, tan it and hang it up on the city perimeter with the name and offense of the sleazeball neatly inscribed thereupon.

BTW, ANACONDA, may I ask which academy you're attending? I graduated Angelina College Police Academy, Class #99-08, in Lufkin a year ago next week. Went back that spring for Intermediate Use of Force and the Mental Health Officer Certification Course, and I'm still trying to get hired.

Meanwhile, I went back into my original Guard LRSU this past August after a long break in service. Made my first jump since January 1985 this past drill and am trying to get some hoo-ah schools lined up through the unit. Almost done with the Long-Range Surveillance Leader Course (LRSLC) Phase I and anticipate heading off to Benning for Phase II sometime within the upcoming year. Several others are on my "wish-list" as well.

Now that you mention wanting to transition from EMS/Fire to LE, my Emergency Medical Assistance instructor at the Basic Academy was a guy who did the opposite: he's currently a full-time paramedic with the Lufkin FD and still puts in time as a reserve deputy with the Angelina County SO.

[This message has been edited by William M Salter (edited 12-10-2000).]

[Paintman]

For this illegal...



1. Nail his weewee to a dry stump.



2. Set the stump on fire.



3. Give him a dull knife.



Chris

[ToneLoc3/144]

I see Sharky got the pictures I sent him. If anybody has any doubts that Agents are well liked down here on the SW border then just look at the newspapers. There is not going to be any stories on this Agent or any other Agents that are assaulted. As far as the communities we are in are concerned what we get is what we have comming to us. Here is a little bit of what the El Paso Mexican Consulate has to say about us here. U.S. Border Patrol Agents in the El Paso Sector arrest only .5% out of 250,000 illegal aliens a year who are criminals;(felons). When you think about that what he means to say is that we arrest about 1250 guys a year that have commited murders, robberies, etc. But his main point is that we are not needed. And the people who live in El Paso agree with him. I think its about time for a "sick day" here in town. Sharky, I'll be back Saturday afternoon. There is no gym here in Dallas.

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[ANACONDA]

I'M IN ACADEMY #23 MCALLEN POLICE DEPT.
PRETTY EXCITED TOO. I GET TO "RE-INVENT" MYSELF A THIRD TIME.
I WAS DOING OKAY AS A FIREFIGHTER UNTIL I REALIZED THAT THERE IS NO TRAINING, CONT. ED. OTHER THAN WHAT WAS REQUIRED TO KEEP YOUR COMMISSION. IN 5 YEARS I WAS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHEN I STARTED. AND MOST OF THE OLD GUYS LIKED IT THAT WAY.
AS FAR AS BEING A MEDIC, ALL I EVER DID WAS MAKE MY BOSS RICHER.......THAT WAS IT !
I HAD TO SEND MYSELF TO ACLS, BTLS, AND PHTLS, JUST TO GET A PAY RAISE.
AND WHEN WE USED THAT STUFF, THEY'D HAVE A HEART ATTACK SAYING WE WERE TOO AGGRESSIVE.
I USED TO LOVE TO KICK ASS ON A GOOD SHOOTING, A CAR-ACCIDENT, A CARDIAC-ARREST, STUFF THAT HAD YOU USE THAT NOODLE UPSTAIRS.
SHAME THAT IT DIDNT HAPPEN OFTEN. I'M THE KIND THAT LIKES TO HAVE ALL MY SENSES USED AND CHALLENGED .

[RogueExec]

ANACONDA, when are you slated to finish/hit the street?

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[Jeff Rambo]

Originally posted by ToneLoc3/144:
I see Sharky got the pictures I sent him. If anybody has any doubts that Agents are well liked down here on the SW border then just look at the newspapers. There is not going to be any stories on this Agent or any other Agents that are assaulted. As far as the communities we are in are concerned what we get is what we have comming to us. Here is a little bit of what the El Paso Mexican Consulate has to say about us here. U.S. Border Patrol Agents in the El Paso Sector arrest only .5% out of 250,000 illegal aliens a year who are criminals;(felons). When you think about that what he means to say is that we arrest about 1250 guys a year that have commited murders, robberies, etc. But his main point is that we are not needed. And the people who live in El Paso agree with him. I think its about time for a "sick day" here in town. Sharky, I'll be back Saturday afternoon. There is no gym here in Dallas.



This I can vouch for, I searched up and down for approx 2hrs and 33 minutes the night Sharky sent me the pictures to post on the board and could not find ONE SINGLE article relating to the incident. And shit, I've been spending well over 70hrs a week researching information either it be past, present or future for the last 4yrs ever since I went into the journalism ranks and I haven't had one bad pull yet up until now.

Truly a shame.

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Sincerely,
Jeff A. Rambo
NBTNDT
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Disrespect cannot be commanded, it must be earned.

[Sharky]

Sorry I haven't been on the board for a day or two. I'm currently in Louisiana visiting my family but will return to hell tomorrow. I had Jeff post these pix as a reminder to us all not to become complacent. Like the man says, you only have 1*. Thanks for the words of support. I'll write more when I get back. Kudos to Jeff for taking the time to lend a hand. We all appreciate it. Thanks bro. Toneloc, wed morning, same time, same place, same pain and agony. Later, Shark

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[NMBR5ML]

The incident was mentioned (less than one sentence) in the AZ Daily Star. It was in an article about a group trying to abolish the Border Patrol and the "militarization" of the border. It noted a few Bisbee residents who were tired of seeing armed people (NOTE: they were referring to federal agents) in their "backyard". They didn't mention any objection to the people in their backyard, leaving tons of human waste and stealing everything in sight. I am beginning to feel the Border Patrol is like who the press lets out of the closet when they feel like beating the crap out of somebody.

[Jeff Rambo]

Sharky,

No problem at all bro. Anytime, I'm here for ya whenever.

Originally posted by NMBR5ML:
The incident was mentioned (less than one sentence) in the AZ Daily Star. It was in an article about a group trying to abolish the Border Patrol and the "militarization" of the border. It noted a few Bisbee residents who were tired of seeing armed people (NOTE: they were referring to federal agents) in their "backyard". They didn't mention any objection to the people in their backyard, leaving tons of human waste and stealing everything in sight. I am beginning to feel the Border Patrol is like who the press lets out of the closet when they feel like beating the crap out of somebody.

Roger ... explains why I couldn't find anything.


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Sincerely,
Jeff A. Rambo
NBTNDT
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Disrespect cannot be commanded, it must be earned.

[ANACONDA]

SHOULD START OUT IN JUNE OR MAY, DEPENDS ON HOW THINGS GO.
I CAN'T WAIT, FRIENDS OF MINE IN THE DEPT. HAVE TOLD ME OF THE "CHANGE" IN LIFESTYLE AND ITS NO PROBLEM.
WHAT I DIG IS THAT THERE ARE MORE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE LE THAN IN THE OTHER GIGS I HAD.
BEEN HITTING THE WEIGHTS, RUNNING, AND PUNCHING THE BAG FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. FEELIN REAL GOOD RIGHT NOW.

[gcocksedge]

Ladies and Gents,

Tragic incident, one of many I am sure.

Just wanted to give THANKS to all LEO's at all level's for the job that you all perform daily.

Take care of yourselves and God bless.

P.S. Sharky, if you don't mind my asking, what part of Louisiana does your family live? I too, am from there.

Grace J Cocksedge

[Sharky]

About 30 miles North of Ruston near the AR state line.

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[gcocksedge]

Sharky,

Thanks for the reply.

I am from the southeatern part of the state near Baton Rouge.

Take Care

GJ Cocksedge

[SIR]

YEAH YEAH! LET'S FRY THAT MESSY-HEN SPICK MOTHERFUCKER! Hell, while we're at it, we could kill his family AND kids too! It would save us having to spend money on putting the little wetbacks on trial in the future when they start murdering, robbing, and pushing drugs, RIGHT?? And then we could could kill ALL the illegals we all love to hate, right? Enough of that "they were just trying to pursue the American dream of a better life" shit, RIGHT? Tough luck for them that our white Anglo-Saxon ancestors got here first. Fuck, we own the place, and we don't need any foreigners stinking the place up, RIGHT?
Fuck, I am never coming to SWATNET again. What a bunch of fucking hicks. I thought you people were supposed to view everyone as innocent until PROVEN guilty. So much for that flowerchild notion of justice.

[Augie]

Bye,
Yeah before Ya Go,
This Rock's for You!

[RECON5]

AUGIE for Public Relations Officer....
clean, quick, straight to the point.

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[Sharky]

#1: Before you start spewing out of your piehole let's hear what YOU'VE done for this country shitbag. I don't care if you're hispanic, latino or whatever. You don't know WHAT we do for these people. How about you bring your dumbass down here in the desert and look for a lost group for three days that may be dying from dehydration. Where are you when I hit a drive thru and spend MY money to feed them because they haven't eaten in two days. And our agents on the bandit teams who are out there trying to protect these people by becoming victims themselves and losing their own lives in the process. Yeah, myself and my fellow agents and other LEO's tend to get a little upset when some bastard tries to murder one of our own. We earned that right. What have you done besides whine and bitch? In short, FUCK YOU!

#2: If you want to leave SWATNET don't let the door hit you in the fuckin ass on your way out. PUNK.

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[Marauder]

Uhh, yeah...
Sharky, do know whether this guy (the agent) is making any progress in his recovery? Do the MDs still think he will be brain damaged?
Any update on the guy who did it?
And, please don't take this as a slight or insult, but if you don't like everything you are doing, then why did you choose to work with the border patrol? My understanding is that you were a Ranger, so you already served your country and put your ass on the line many times over. Why did you choose Border Patrol over something in the purview of the private sector? Especially with shit like this going on? Again, not to get on your case or insult you, I was just being curious.
Stay safe and Godspeed.

[Jeff Rambo]

Originally posted by Marauder:
Uhh, yeah...
Sharky, do know whether this guy (the agent) is making any progress in his recovery? Do the MDs still think he will be brain damaged?
Any update on the guy who did it?
And, please don't take this as a slight or insult, but if you don't like everything you are doing, then why did you choose to work with the border patrol? My understanding is that you were a Ranger, so you already served your country and put your ass on the line many times over. Why did you choose Border Patrol over something in the purview of the private sector? Especially with shit like this going on? Again, not to get on your case or insult you, I was just being curious.
Stay safe and Godspeed.

Someone has to do it.
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And by the way, HAVE A LOVELY DAY "SIR."


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Sincerely,
Jeff A. Rambo
NBTNDT
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Disrespect cannot be commanded, it must be earned.

[Sharky]

No offense taken. I'm not unhappy with what I do. I think maybe you misunderstood my post. I'm not bitching about my job. I'm here because I want to be here. Rather, I am displaying pride in the acts of my fellow agents who are putting it on the line daily and doing the job with compassion and respect like no other LE agency in existence. Yet they are ridiculed and despised by the Hispanic/Latino American community in general who haven't lifted a finger to help "their people". The media writes one sentence about that agent who will be permanently disabled but when some asshole gangbanger tried to run a friend of mine over down here with a pickup truck and wound up with a .40 cal in his melon for it, what did the headlines say? "Border Patrol agent murders local youth".Then some stupid fuck like this jackass that posted above starts spewing and I snap. Well, fuck him. As I stated above several days ago, I posted those pix as a wakeup call to other LEO's out there to not become complacent. Were they outraged? YES! Should they be? FUCKIN A RIGHT! They have to look at that and think, "Holy shit, that could have been me." Do we run in packs? Yes, we do. Why? Because we know that we can only depend on each other. I depend on them to watch my back and help me insure that I go home at night. They in turn depend on me to watch theirs. That's just how we work. Then we see shit like this incident in Douglas and the second thing that goes through our heads is that we wish we could have been there watching his back and maybe that wouldn't have happened. I'm not even sure at this point why I'm trying to explain myself to you. If you've ever been curled up on top of your gun in the fetal position with roughly half a dozen gangbangers kicking the shit out of you and you're wondering if this is how it will end and then you hear about 5 crown vics in the distance going into passing gear and sucking air and you know everything is gonna be alright because the cavalry has arrived, then you'll know why I do what I do and feel the way I feel about the LEO's that I work with.

P.S. No update on his condition. Last I heard he had massive head injuries and had no sense of taste or smell.
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[This message has been edited by Sharky (edited 12-13-2000).]

[jcollettusa]

Sharky,

You don't have to explain nothing, yeah there are a couple of dumb asses out there who ain't worth a squirt of piss, but you just do your job and do it with your head held high and screw that little cocksucker. It is assholes like that I would love to make work the front lines for a while to see the BS that goes on.

And for your information Cur, I mean Sir, if it wasn't for patriotic people like us your dumb ass would not have the freedom to say the things you think. You are a worthless piece, nah, you ain't even worth replying to.

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Semper Fi

[Augie]

NO matter what You say to that piece of Shit, He will NEVER get it. The Pictures tell it all. I like My work, when magement lets me do it and when the media stops blasting Me when I do it. But in that, it's No different then most of Law Enforcement today. Public Relations is one of My assets(keeps the complaints down).

Be Safe (Even More if your on the Border)

[wolfhound227]

SIR= Seaman In Rectum
Stick In Rear

I don't think that I'm going out on a limb here when I say that nobody on this board has anything against imagrants who've come to this country leagally.

Crossing the border illegally is no way to introduce yourself to your new country.It's not about not about race,it's about law.
I understand that if I were to sneak into Mexico and get caught I'm screwed.So don't spread your racist bullshit here.
This agent was attacked from behind.For what?The Border Patrol will just flex-cuff you and stick you on a bus back to Mexico.
Hardly a monsterous act.

Take your inferiority act somewhere else,
Parvo-Brain...

[SIR]

First off, I am not a Mexican, I am a sixth generation American. Secondly, I earned my M.Sc in pharmacology in order to research and test cancer treatments FOR MY COUNTRY. Granted, I have never jumped out of airplanes or learned 75 different ways to kill another human being, so I guess my contribution to my country is of lesser value than yours.
Secondly, my wife was born into a poor campisino family in the Chiapas region. Fifteen years ago, when she was 19 years old, she and her brother decided to flee to America after her mother and father were killed in front of their eyes as an example to the rest of their community. They made their way north living meal to meal and mile to mile. Once they reached the border, her brother Jose told her he would cross first while leaving her in the village, so that he could find a good place to hide once they crossed into America. Why did they jump the border? Because they knew there was no chance in hell they could get permission to enter legally. They were just dirt poor, if smart, campasino kids on the run. The night that Jose first tried to cross, he was caught by a lone Border Patrol agent. When Jose was dropped off in the Mexican village the next morning, he had four cracked ribs, a broken nose, and was sporting a lovely matching pair of black eyes. The agent, who Jose said stank of cheap whisky, had run Jose down and had then proceeded to beat the shit out of him, for no earthly reason. After Jose healed, they found the courage to try again. To make a long story short, my wife is now an X-ray tech for one of the local hospitals, and Jose is a successful small-businessman. Both worked their asses off to learn perfect English, and work hard every damn day, which is a lot more than I can say for a hell of a lot of born-in-the-USA Americans I know. SO PERHAPS YOU CAN NOW UNDERSTAND WHY I GET JUST A LITTLE FUCKING UPSET WHEN I HEAR OR SEE PEOPLE SAYING ALL ILLEGALS ARE THE ENEMY, OR DRUGGIES, OR JUST PLAIN FUCKING LAZY! The agent involved in the focus of this thread is in my prayers. But to say all illegals are like the animal who attacked him is like assuming that all Border Patrol agents are like the one who beat the hell out of Jose "just because". I see my beautiful, loving wife and my quiet, unassuming brother-in-law called terrible things by closed-minded bigots far too often in real life, and don't care to hear it on the greatest tool of democracy ever, the Internet. For that reason, I will now leave for good. You shouldn't bother overheating your brains by coming up with insipid or stupid comebacks, because I will never see them. Good bye, and good riddance.

[jcollettusa]

Sir,

I hope you read this one last post, because you are doing exactly what you are criticizing some others on here of doing; and that is basing one isolated incident at the entire Border Patrol. Just as someone said that they would like to do it to all the illegal aliens, you are stereotyping all Border Patrol Agents to the one that hurt your friend. I have nothing against Hispanic Americans who want to make a better life for themselves and their family. I believe everybody wants that, regardless of their race or ethnicity, but what that guy did was totally uncalled for, no matter what race he came from. That agent who had his skull crushed and that may die, probably has a family and is just trying to pay his bills like everyone else, in addition to serving his country. Situations like this tends to outrage some people on here because they think that could be them or one of their friends. I am sure if the victim was your brother or maybe even your son, you would not be so sympathetic to the perpetrator who commited the act either. When you put your life on the line everyday situations like this hit home a lot harder.

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[mdb23]

The wonders never cease. A man, while in service to his country, sustains a life threatening injury, and fellow officers are chastised and berated for expressing their outrage.

I guess that, in addition to being disabled, quietly accepting situations such as this is now a function of our profession.

Watch your six,

mdb23

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[Sharky]

He's a fucking liar. That whole story reads just like the script of the Mexican movie Al Norte. He just got on here talking trash and now somebody has called his bluff. "Smelling of cheap whiskey"..... Come on, give me a break. You better stick with your cancer research cause you don't lie worth a damn sweetheart. I could easily see why YOU might get YOUR ass kicked by some cop with your attitude. Like I said before, you're a liar, I've already seen that movie, in spanish, so shut up. Don't let the door hit you in your dumb ass on your way out pendejo.

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[Tracy]

SIR:

Fact: A BP Agent got creamed by a Hispanic illegal.

Fact: The agent may not fully recover.

Fact: This is not an isolated incident.

Fact: Crossing our Border is a criminal act; subject to a law enforcement response. If the suspect resists, the suspect will get hurt.

Fact: If the situation becomes too dangerous for the BP; they're going to call us to reinforce the border. You don't want that; ask the surivors from 1984-1986 in New Mexico and Texas.

Instead coming up with some limp-d*ck sob story to justify further violence on Agents doing their job, how about you tell all your friends and relations to chill out and do what the nice Agent tells you to do?

I've hunted down Coyotes and Illegals; and I have no moral qualms at all about going back and crushing anyone who tries to harm a US citizen. Sooner or later, this civil problem will become a military problem; and the military solution is just waiting for an opportunity to resolve the issue.

Before you wave that silly race item around again, one fourth of my extended family is Mexican; by blood or marriage.

Conform, or we'll bury you.

[WS-G]

I am a sixth generation American...
Six generations of siblings, half-siblings and first cousins from a place which conjures up mental images of extras from Deliverance?

Secondly, I earned my M.Sc in pharmacology in order to research and test cancer treatments...

M.Sc. = "Mountain Scholar"? It leads to the MD — "Mountain Doctor" — degree, and authorizes the holder to prescribe such advanced treatments as stump-water and the elixir from Granny's still. Some of these have graduated to meth-labs.

I guess my contribution to my country is of lesser value than yours

All right, I'll concede just this once and agree on this point.


Note also how the word campesino [spelling corrected] appears twice, spelt two different ways, neither of the two spellings correct.

[RECON5]

This guy is dumber than a box of rocks, and dont know come here from sick'em. He logs onto to Military/Police website, gets a screen name, Pulls up a forum named SWATnet, and trashes the LE Profession.....Yeah that is the way I make friends....DDOOOOOOOOOOOO

Somebody take down the idiot magnet.

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[Augie]

Well, Shit For Brains your still here. I was just going to ignore your Dumb Ass But, You had go spout out That CROCK of shit about your wife's Brother. As Sparky said it's Right out of Al Norte. They show it in the Border Patrol Academy Jose and Maria, The Smuggler beats Him in that flim. Who cares Right? close

let Me tell You a Few Things. I don't See any one Here telling you how to your research, Don't Tell any One else how to do A Law Enforcement Job. The INS mostly the U.S. Border Patrol Has the HIGHEST rate of Assualts and work related injuries in the Justice Dept. A vast majority of the Border Patrol Agents treat Illegal Aliens Very Humanly and with respect. Alot of the Agents go out of there way to help Aliens. There are a Few Bad ones like in every Job.
As for Asylum in the U.S. I won't even Go there.




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[Sharky]

Thanks for expressing it for me chief. I just get pissed off and start flaming.

Sic im Augie!

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[LRSC Grunt]

Isnt the US Border Patrol credited with consistantly seizing the most narcotics out of all the federal law enforcement?

Where do I apply? (just kidding)

[dsumner]

There's a reason the US tries to control who enters the country. It's to prevent shit like this assault from happening.

I don't give a rat's fat hairy ass where you come from, as long as you enter the US LEGALLY and stay out of trouble while you are
here.

Would allow a person off of the street to roam freely through your place of business or enter your home without some type of background check, ID, or control over what he has access to. But you expect the US to fling open its doors and let everyone have at it.

This is not 1900, it's the year 2000, and the world has changed drastically. there are thousnads of people out there who would be more than happy to slipp across the border and slit your throat for the shooes on your feet, or plant a bomb in building in the city you live becuase of some perceived injustice the US has commited against them.

You should be damned happy that when you lay your head down to sleep at night, you have someone out there watching your back.

[RogueExec]

Roger that.

[RogueExec]

For those who may be interested, this POS also posted in the "Death Sentence: 1881" thread that Kristen started. More lunacy from him.

[Sharky]

LRSC, The USBP seizes more narcotics every year than all other FED LE agencies combined, last year more than 70% of deadly force incidents in FED LE were from the BP. BP agents are also assaulted more than any other FED agency. All of the above is simply a result of the locations we work in and the fact that for the most part we work alone. When you work the way that we do, on the mexican border and make over 1.5 million arrests every year you can naturally expect those kinds of figures.

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[Snake]

Whats the legal obstacle(if any) preventing Texas from using the 49th Armored to improve the border? Hell, just the Combat Engineer Battalion could make a big difference by helping to canalize the coyotes.... Maybe a few Active Response Units in Blackhawks could reinforce the BP?

Snake
25th ID(L)

[NMBR5ML]

Snake- A couple years ago there were members of the Armed Forces supporting the USBP along the border. An incident occured where a teenager was herding goats or cattle or something and spotted a US Marine. For some reason he started firing at him with a .22 rifle. I probably don't have to tell you how the Marine responded to this. So the goatherder died, and needless to say, that was the end of US forces on the border. Maybe someone else remembers this incident better than me. I just remember that the press and the politicians were acting like the goatherder was an innocent victim.

[ANACONDA]

I HEARD ABOUT THAT IN THE NEWS DOWN HERE. HOW THE BIG BAD MEN IN GREEN AND PAINTED FACES BULLIED THIS INNOCENT KID BULLSHIT.
NOBODY RAISES CAIN ABOUT THE TIMES THE MEXICAN ARMY "GETS LOST " INTO U.S. TERRITORY AND DECIDES TO USE THE U.S.B.P. FOR TARGET PRACTICE.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE DAY WHEN THEY RUN INTO A GROUP OF MARINES IN MANEUVERS ALONG THE BORDER.
PUT AN END TO THAT SHIT MO'RICKEY-TICK !
AND AS FAR AS THE ILLEGALS GO, THEY EVEN FAKE FALLS IN GROCERY STORES CAUSED BY PHANTOM WATER SPILLS JUST SO THEY CAN GET TO A HOSPITAL AND DELIVER THEIR BABY. THEY CAN'T BE TURNED DOWN SINCE IT WOULD VIOLATE THE C.O.B.R.A. STATUTE.
GUESS WHO BECOMES A NEW CITIZEN ? GUESS WHO GETS FREE HOUSING, WELFARE, AND FOOD.
AND DON'T EVEN DARE CHALLENGE ME ON THIS ONE "SIR" CAUSE AS A MEDIC, I HAVE WORKED SHITLOADS OF INCIDENTS LIKE THESE......SO FUCK YOU IN ADVANCE!

"ALL TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT, SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN."

[ski]

SIR,

I feel your pain, buddy.

A few years ago, I was living on a planet called Tattoine. I just wanted to go to the space academy, but my uncle wouldn't let me. One day, one of his robots ran away and I chased him. When I got back, my uncle's farm was on fire and my uncle and aunt were burned to death by the Imperial Stormtroopers. I remembered my uncle saying that my dad was a friend of this weird old guy that lived in the desert. I found him, and he convinced me to help him rescue some chick with honey buns on the side of her head. He gave me this cool laser stick and we flew off into space. When I was flying my spaceship and I blew up the Death Star, all I could see was the smiling, radiant faces of my poor uncle and aunt, knowing that they were with me forever. To this day I don't know why the Empire oppresed us so.

Yours in the Force and Kiss my Ass,
Luke ******* Jose Ricardo Skywalker

P.S. Next time I'll tell you of the time when I was in Egypt looking for the Ark of the Covenant and trying to feed my family when some Nazi bastards tried to harass me and my friends.

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[Augie]

Dsumner You Summed it very well.
Ski thats a great STORY. LOL! See, Shit/sir You Have a new friend already.

Stop Mexican Military From coming over the Border into the U.S.? Who's Going to escort the drugs in?

People like this piece of Shit need to "observe" other country's Boder Police, Immigration, National Police, or what ever you call them in that country. He might be a little upset at what He sees. Most of them make the Border Patrol look like kittens. Even countries like Italy, France, and Germany are Not very alien friendly.

This piece of Shit's logic is something like The Military and the Police are here to Serve HIM and not the Country or the public at large. HE has NO CLUE!

Hey Sharky I was showing Your picures around the office here, yesterday. I think you know what the reaction was like.
Take care.




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[Snake]

Marines, my ass! A Tank Company "overhearing" a BP call for backup would definately give los federales something to think about. What can the Mexo's do, bombard us with hardshell taco's?
If General Lee and Longstreet & Co could do it in the 1840's, we can do it today....

Question: If we annex Sonora and Chihuahua, do we -have- to let the locals stay?

Snake
25th ID(L)

[RECON5]

Ski - LMAO!!!!

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[WS-G]

Not just the 49th, LRSC Grunt.... Looks like the old 36th Airborne Brigade needs to be brought back from the great beyond.

[Sharky]

Thanks Augie. Send me an e-mail and if I get anything else interesting I'll send it to ya on CCmail.



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[1026]

Sharky- You may want to consider sending those photos to Bill O'Reilly at Fox News, BP regs permitting. He's the only journalist I've seen do stories on the illegal alien problem.

From what I've seen, O'Reilly is a no BS newsman. He would get this type of thing out to millions of people.

[Sharky]

Jeff? Can you assist? I would but thats a little too complicated for me.

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[Jeff Rambo]

Originally posted by 1026:
From what I've seen, O'Reilly is a no BS newsman. He would get this type of thing out to millions of people.

You've seen right. All of us in the journalism realm respect O'Reilly like no other. Doesn't matter if you hate him or love him ... you have to respect the man.

I'll e-mail these photos to him, as well as place a call to the news desk on Monday to make sure the e-mail receives high priority.

Hopefully they will end up on his column with APBNews.com - which would be the appropiate place for them. News Corp (Parent Company of Fox News Channel) has been very fineky lately about their definitions of unacceptable. Hopefully that will thin out soon, which I'm sure it will.

While I certainly don't have the audience reach that "Big Game" Bill O'Reilly does, I myself will also make sure the topic gets some run time on my radio show. I'll post the air date here on this thread. Should be sometime in January without a doubt right after I get back in the box after the holidays.

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[Swat1]

OK, I'm a little late out of the chute here but ski, that has got to be the funniest post I have seen in a long time. Goddamn I was busting a gut reading that. As for the rest of it I won't waste my time replying to that idiot who is no longer here anyway.

Swat1*

[Jeff Rambo]

It's done.

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[Sharky]

Once again jeff, you da man. Gracias.

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[Snake]

36th Airborne? Care to give us the details, Salty?


Snake
25th ID(L)
Who wonders why the Guard dont have a Parachute Battalion or five. Hell, the Brits have two(2) TA Batts!

[Jeff Rambo]

The 36th Airborne Brigade was TXNG. I believe they were last operational during the timespan of 72-80.

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[ski]

There was this other time when I was just minding my own bidness sitting around my backyard eating Reeses Pieces candy when this funny headed, long necked, buck nakkid, creature walked up to me and said "Phone home" in a funny voice, maybe it was spanish. I started to ask him if he was the 1-800-CALL-ATT guy, but he said he was an alien. I said "Run your ass off little fellow before Sharky and the rest of the Border Patrol get you and beat your butt back to Mexico." He just pointed to the sky with this glowing finger...

SIR phone home, they are looking for you,
Elliot

[Terry Jones]

Sucks It Regularly;

I think I speak for most on here when
I say that I've had about enough of the
self-righteous crap you've been pushing.
For you to have the gall to stand there
and point the finger at brave men and
women who have the balls and clit to work
long hours at a dangerous and unforgiving
job that you couldn't handle is weak. I
have no respect for pukes like you who
point fingers at the people who put it on
the line, even for worthless turds like
you.

In every group of people in the private
sector, law enforcement, Wendys, whatever,
you have bad seeds. That you so ignorantly
paint the pros with the same broad brush
that covers the ones who slip through the
cracks makes me want to vomit.

With all do respect, fuck you very much.

Terry
(retiring his soapbox and in search of some Guinness.)

[WS-G]

Snake and Rambo:

WRT the 36th Airborne Brigade, this organization was originally formed in 1968 as the 71st Airborne Brigade out of the remnants of the defunct 36th Infantry Division that had fought with such distinction in both World Wars. 36th Division was primarily a Texas Army National Guard unit, though several battalions from Oklahoma were included.

The Brigade consisted of a HHC, plus the 1st and 2nd Battalions of the 143d Infantry Regiment. As this unit was formed at the height of the Vietnam War, the 71st fully expected to be activated and deployed to 'Nam, just as elements of 19th SF Group (WVARNG) and 38th Infantry Division (INARNG) had. In the end, however, the 71st didn't get activated and by the early 1970's, the 71st was renamed 36th Airborne Brigade.

The 36th's purpose then became — in the event of war or national emergency — to serve as an attachment to the 82d Airborne Division. There had been some high-level head-butting WRT to whether the 36th would remain intact, for all intents and purposes serving as the 82d's de facto "fourth brigade", or be broken down into nothing more than a massive all-Airborne-qualified replacement pool for the 82d's own three Brigades. With the Brigade's deactivation in April 1980, the argument became moot.

Nevertheless, from 1968 until early 1980, the 36th enjoyed the distinction of being the only Airborne Brigade to have ever existed outside of the Regular Army. During the late 1970's the Brigade had even been allowed to run its own jump school, in the same manner in which the 82d, 101st and 11th Divisions had in the past.


The 1/143d Infantry (in the Dallas area) was re-formed into a Mechanized Infantry battalion under the 49th Armored Division (possibly with the colors of a completely different Infantry Regiment, though I'm uncertain), while the 2/143d Infantry (in the Houston area) — with the exception of one company — was deactivated and replaced by a new Combat Engineer battalion.

The one surviving company — Co. A, 2/143d Infantry — actually pre-dated both the 143d Infantry Regiment and the 36th Division, having been originally formed from two company-sized state militia units, the Harrisburg Militia and the Houston Light Infantry. By the time of the Spanish-American War, these had combined to form the Houston Light Guard. Anyway, the same month the 36th Abn. Bde. was deactivated, the Houston Light Guard ceased to be known as Co. A, 2/143d Infantry, and reverted to its original wartime designation: Co. G, 143d Infantry.

Along with the Brigade's deactivation that same month, G-143 received a new mission: to carry out Long-Range Reconnaissance Patrol missions as a newly-formed Ranger Company, taking over the job from a similar PRARNG unit which had been deactivated earlier for several very good reasons (e.g.: failure to adequately maintain their equipment, failure to establish an effective training program, etc. To be fair about it, the PR unit had been formed from a support company and had been doomed to failure from the beginning for this very reason.). Co. G(Abn/Rgr), 143d Inf.(LRRP), TXARNG — along with Co. F(Abn/Rgr), 425th Inf.(LRRP), MIARNG — became one of only two Ranger Companies to exist separately from the 75th at that time, and one of only two remaining post-Vietnam companies dedicated to perform LRRP missions in the entire US Army. I first entered this unit in February 1981, and was there when the company was first authorized to don the Black Beret in May 1981 (we went back to a maroon one a few years ago).

G-143 currently exists as a Long-Range Surveillance Company (LRSC) under III.Corps, alongside the more-recently created Co. H(Abn), 121st Inf.(LRS), GAARNG. Out of the same infinite wisdom that decided the entire Army should wear the Black Beret has now come the declaration that G-143 is a "redundant asset" and has slated the company for deactivation by the end of next year.

Of course, current and former members of G-143 (myself included) have pointed out to our Senators/Representatives — as well as Governor/President-Elect Bush — that since this unit has only been identified as "redundant" as a LRSU, it would be a waste of valuable resources not to find another — perhaps more suitable — mission for us. Personally, I'd like to see the company get back a mission that involves DA.

What does happen remains to be seen however.

[Jeff Rambo]

Thank You Mr. Salter.

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[Snake]

Question: If we can have SF Groups in the Guard, presumably performing up to standard, why cant we have a Ranger/Para-Commando unit as well? Seems, on the face of it, that skill maintenance would be even easier, no?

Snake
25th ID(L)

[LRSC Grunt]

Salter,
A little birdie told me there is a slight possibility we might become a Ranger Company again, attached to RTB.

[WS-G]

Jeff Rambo:

You're welcome.

Snake:

Excellent point. This is a question more of us need to be asking more loudly and more often. Seriously, with all the talk about reducing costs, it makes perfect sense.

LRSC Grunt:

The last birdsong I heard was the panicked cawing of a bluejay my Siamese brought into the house — still airworthy!

Anyway, I heard that rumor as well, so i hope you've got your schools wish-list stacked nice and high. I know I do <G>.

Getting somewhat back towards the main topic of this thread, I might suggest doing a bit of serious reading into the Fire Force doctrine, as applied by the Rhodesian Security Forces back in the 1970's — and of course "Pseudo-Terr" Ops.

Definitely have a look at this:
http://members.tripod.com/selousscouts/rhodesian_army.htm

Look at the numbers of personnel the Rhodies had back then, and look at what they managed to pull off with a less-than-shoestring budget, in a nation roughly two-thirds the size of Texas. Then consider that the RhAF had only one squadron of Alouette III's and a mixed squadron of DC-3's, Islanders, Cessna 185's and Cessna 337's which had to fulfill the transport, liaison, C³ and aeroscout roles all at once. The Rhodesians only lost because Comrade Bob (aka: Robert Mugabe) had Gore's election strategy perfected 20 years earlier.

Bottom line: The Texas National Guard alone has far more combat troops and helicopters. All we'd really need in order to effectively and permanently deal with the contrabandero problem is to have our leash cut <EG>.

[RogueExec]

"Yours in the Force and Kiss my Ass,
Luke ******* Jose Ricardo Skywalker" -ski

After all this time, that shit still makes me keel over LMAO......you rock, dude.

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[Sharky]

Hell, if they would cut OUR leash we could win the battle. I can't even BEGIN to tell you how bad we've had our hands tied under Clinton in general and Doris Meissner in particular.

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[Snake]

I should know.
Place of Birth: Salisbury(Harare).
Rhodie-in-exile. Got to be some squaddies from 2 Commando RLI, or the Rhodesian African Rifles, who could give us a few tips..

Snake
25th ID(L)

[Jeff Rambo]

Gentlemen (...and ladies),

I called the news desk yesterday as promised, and I got word that the e-mail was received ...

Low and behold, Mr. O'Reilly will be discussing the border issue tonight on his show (airs on the Fox News Channel, www.foxnews.com). (http://www.foxnews.com).) I wasn't able to get complete details since I was in a hurry, but I was told that Col. Hackworth would also be on the show. I think it will be focused more on the "militarization" of the border, but like I said ... I was in too much of a hurry to get any specifics.

All times are PST, Air times are: 5PM (Live), 8PM (Rebroadcast). The show also rebroadcasts at 1AM here on the West Coast.

Glad that I could help.

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[Sharky]

You da man!

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[Sharky]

P.S.
After re-reading some of the posts I see that I have forgotten to address the bounty issue. To date, no one has collected on the bounty. Officially, we have taken the bounty threat quite seriously. Personally, I think it's bullshit.

If you think about it, it's just plain bad for business. It would be very stupid for the cartels to do this since such an act would bring the wrath of the entire DOJ and, quite possibly some elements of the DOD. That would be bad for their business. The cartels supposedly did this because of the amount of dope that was being seized by BP and other agencies. Truth is, the cartels know that we are going to detect and seize a percentage of their loads and they factor this in. It's just a cost of doing business. They know very well that if they get too greedy and start killing agents that Uncle Sam will take some serious action that could destroy them completely. They have a good thing going so they don't want to screw it up.

Those of us here on the line even have a "code of honor" ,of a sort, with those on the other side. We have some very tense moments sometimes, but for the most part, we understand that it's just dope, we all want to go home later, and that a load of dope isn't worth us peons from either side killing each other over. The smugglers that we encounter in the field are far removed from the real moneymakers over there. They don't want to get hurt trying to make somebody else rich and we don't want to get hurt over a few hundred pounds that, in the grand scheme of things, really is just a drop in the bucket, so to speak. A drop in the ocean might be a more appropriate term considering the subject is dope. So we have a real, if somewhat twisted, understanding.

There have been and will continue to be many firefights all along the border between us and them, but, for the most part, we try to avoid it if at all possible. When I say "Them" I mean, Mexican drug smugglers, Police organizations, and the Mexican military, all of which fall under the heading of drug smuggler. As I've said before, it is ironic that we continue to certify Mexico as a drug fighting partner and send them millions of dollars in the name of fighting the drug war only to have the Mexican government take our tax money and use it to finance their own smuggling operations. There have been so many times that we have SEEN and DOCUMENTED Mexican military and police forces take an active role in the smuggling of narcotics across our border, but nobody seems to hear about it outside of those of us who see it daily. We have been told that our budget for FY 2001 has been cut by 40%, No Overtime, no new vehicles, no replacing or repairing damaged equipment etc.... Maybe Bill O'Reilly should address that issue. We fund Mexican drug smuggling but cant afford any money for overtime for our agents? Anyway, I will get off the soapbox now and return you to your regularly scheduled programming of the History Channel with Bill Salter.

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[dsumner]

If I remeber correctly, there was a bounty placed on DEA, USCG, and other US personnel operating in Peru, and Bolivia a few years back. It was something like 5K if you killed one.

[Jeff Rambo]

To be honest, I wasn't very satisfied with the show.

Sharky, I'll be e-mailing you some time during the start of the year and maybe if possible you could swing some insight my way and then I can look at doing something on the story from the USBPA POV. That is if you don't mind.

Take care-

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[Sharky]

Sounds OK to me. We'll discuss it more via e-mail.

The bounty that was supposedly placed on us was for 250K. Personally, I was insulted that they would be so cheap.

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[Tracy]

Originally posted by Sharky:
Sounds OK to me. We'll discuss it more via e-mail.

The bounty that was supposedly placed on us was for 250K. Personally, I was insulted that they would be so cheap.



250K in Pesos? Hmmm...

Maybe, just maybe, with a new President (who was a Govenor with an International Border) the BP will get a budget increase in 2002. I think the 2001 budget is a lock already.

Personally, I'd love to see the Army and USMC have rotations like NTC (one batallion at a time per CONUS division) down to the border. Just another ARTEP with live ammo. Border duty was great for patrol skills 15 years ago.

[Sharky]

Yeah, $250,000.00 is about 2.5 million pesos which goes a long way down south as you would know. I'd personally love to see the military down here. Actually, I'd love to see them replace US on the border and send us to the interior to apprehend the 5 million that are already here illegally. It distresses me greatly to see that they are slowly taking over my hometown and I can't even touch them.

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[Snake]

Hey,
The Brits rotate units through Ulster, why can't we do the same with the Marches?
I'd like to see the bastards try to tangle with a Bradley team...


Snake
25th ID(L)

[Terry Jones]

Season's Greetings to all, and Happy Boxing Day to those who observe.

I found this a while ago, any comments?
http://www-cgsc.army.mil/milrev/english/mayjun97/demarest.htm

[Sharky]

Thought provoking yet seems uninformed. Seems like he is writing everything based on what someone else has already written. Like a book review of sorts. As for our relationship with Mexico, Who gives a shit? Why do we,(the worlds only superpower) continue to kiss the ass of a third-world country like Mexico. Their military don't like us, who cares? They're mostly drug smugglers and strongarm thugs anyway. I don't read this, I live here and see it every day. Oh well, I won't get started again. See what you did Terry?

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[Terry Jones]

Sorry to take a wet, sloppy shit
on your festive holdiay mood,
Sharky, I thought it was caca
too.

HOWEVER:

If you liked that, you'll cream
over this one. Quoted verbatim
from pg. 52 of the Nov. 2000
issue of The American Legion
magazine is this:

Mexican President Fox calls for open border

Immigration didn't surface between George W. Bush and Al Gore but new Mexican president
Vicente Fox's call for an open border between the United States and Mexico has brought it to the front burner. Fox, who has said the two countries should be integrated into a North American community, like the European Union, wants Congress to end its annual "certification" of foreign governments' drug-interdiction efforts.

Observers are skeptical. "Immigration politics have plainly changed since the mid-1990s, but not enough to embrace an open border with Mexico," noted David R. Ayon of Loyola Marymount University.

One obvious problem is that a
free flow of labor, products and services
could also mean more drugs form Mexico. U.S.
law-enforcement officials said that seizures of cocaine and marijuana along the Mexican border, where 70 percent of all illegal drugs enter the country, have escalated dramatically in the past two years.

Fox also favors a U.S. amnesty for
illegal aliens here.

Making his own gesture, President
Clinton has issued an executive
order making federal programs and
benefits more available to persons
with limited English proficiency."

Jim Boulet, of the froup English First, commented, "We are now officially multilingual." -C.K. (Cliff Kincaid)

What a douchebag, huh?


(btw, thanks for excusing my hung-over typing...."druck?"...LOL)


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[WS-G]

NAFTA For Dummies: Puts US and Canadian blue-collar workers out of work by transfering their jobs to much-lower-paid Mexican workers. Benefits nouveau riche US yuppies, who now reap even greater profits than ever before from their investments in Mexican maquiladoras. By not having to pay the prevailing US wage to US workers, aforementioned yuppies are now free to invest the windfall into their BMW/Volvo/Lexus payments and still have more than enough left to support their cocaine habits. Doesn't do mierda for the Mexican worker, however.

Now the yuppies have another fringe benefit they can enjoy: cheaper and more plentiful cocaine.

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[Sharky]

Vicente Fox has the potential to do great things for his country. The problem is that he has promised them the world, overnight. If he can make good on half of what he has promised the people of Mexico I will be surprised. As far as an "Open Border", You and I will never see it in our lifetime unless Mexico's economy turns around 180 degrees and that's not likely.

My biggest concern for Fox right now is that he is building up to take on the drug cartels. If he tries it, I will be surprised if he lives out his term in office. He won't have the support of his own military or police forces. Money rules in Mexico like you cannot imagine unless you've seen it firsthand and the police and military down there know who has the money. The cartels. A prime example, In Ciudad Juarez alone this year, at last count that I heard, there have been 36 execution style murders that were drug-related. Not one person has been arrested. Don't think that their power is confined to Mexico either. Remember my post, "Good Bust!"? 36,000 lbs of marijuana? Well, guess what. 36,000 lbs.......18 tons of marijuana........disappeared. Vanished from police custody into thin air. Hmmmm, maybe they just forgot where they put it. Who knows. Bet you won't find THAT in the news either. Not a word. If it wasn't so serious, it would be funny.

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