Question for the SF guys.

[Geronimo82]

Heres the story:

We have a guy trying to get in as 18X, but is 30 and according to USAREC, is too old (though SF recruiters are saying he can be waivered) to get 18X. MILPERS MSG says 20 to 30, so we're at a loss as to why he can't get it, but thats USAREC. So, if the waiver washes out and he goes Ranger, what would you say his chances are of getting picked up at SFAS? Not looking for a hard answer, but the guy really wants to be in SF and hes got all the right stuff to get there, he just doesn't want to get sidetracked and not get a chance to try.

Not looking for a shortcut or anything like that, but an honest assessment from the guys he'd like to be working with.

[LRS Guy]

If he is interested I can get in touch with NG SF recruiter and get them hooked up.

PM me

[Greenhat]

Going to SF via the Guard is probably a good way to go if he can't get the 18X bit sorted out. If he goes AD via RIP option or any other option (Airborne, etc.) it isn't a matter of him being picked up for SFAS, it's a matter of him filling the prerequisites and putting in his packet. Given his age, time is an issue. Go via 19th or 20th Groups makes more sense. Take LRS Guy's offer is my advice.

[Geronimo82]

Greenhat: Didn't mean getting to go to SFAS, but if a guy shows up from one of the BNs and has the skill/drive/want to be there, will he have a better shot then a guy from a regular Airborne unit?

Oh, and I'm an active duty recruiter, so saying "Hey, go to the Guard!" will probably be the last thing I say before being dumped in a lake with some new Quikrete boots...

[SF_BHT]

[QUOTE=Geronimo82]Greenhat: Didn't mean getting to go to SFAS, but if a guy shows up from one of the BNs and has the skill/drive/want to be there, will he have a better shot then a guy from a regular Airborne unit?QUOTE]

I have seen people make it from all walks of life and coming from BN is not a guarantee you will make it. When I went through the Q Course we lost several Rangers and we lost a lot of others. It all boils down to the Individual. He needs the Mental and Physical drive and capability to be selected and graduate.

[Greenhat]

Greenhat: Didn't mean getting to go to SFAS, but if a guy shows up from one of the BNs and has the skill/drive/want to be there, will he have a better shot then a guy from a regular Airborne unit?

Pluses and minuses. Ranger Bn mindset is very different from SF mindset.

You want to do what is the best for him? Get him 18X or send him to a Guard Group. You want to do what is best for your numbers? Enlist him.

But unless you get the 18x thing sorted out, don't kid yourself that doing what is best for your numbers was the best thing for him.

[SF_BHT]

Greenhat is correct. Bn vs SF is different and what is at stake is this individual. Do not do what a lot of recuruters do and just fill the quota numbers. Only a few come in striving for the best. Try your best to get him his shot at his goal. He will then be able to decide his destiny. If the guy is out of shape and you do not feel he could make it through BN or SF let him know and let him make a decision as to what he wants to apply for. Just my 2 cents.......

[Tracy]

Have you told USAREC that the SF recruiters said they'll waiver the age requirement?

If that fails, perhaps he'd consider an Airborne 11B assignment to Fort Bragg, NC? Just make sure he doesn't draw a bonus of some sort that 'locks' him into an MOS for a certain time. IIRC, aren't SF recruiters trolling Fort Benning amongst the 11Bs in training; and recruiting directly while they're still in AIT? Stand up, hook up, casual phone call to the Colombus area... ;)

The 18X pipeline starts at 11-Boo School anyway...

[Geronimo82]

Just to clear the air, the Guard quip was a joke. Also if I was "doing what is best for my numbers" or "fill the quota numbers" I wouldn't be getting fired from recruiting for being an ineffective recruiter.

We are trying to get the 18X thing sorted out and as it stands we might get the waiver. But, failing that I'd like to point him him in the right direction. And if all else fails and he decides all he wants is SF, then away from my office, I'll call him and pass along the NG SF info. I'm not going to do it in front of my boss, because even though I might not like him, professional curtesy says I respect the fact that he was an E-7 1SG in the regular Army and had the skill to do well enough at recruiting that he got a station commanders position. The guy goes to the floor on tuesday so we'll know then how things are going to go down.

[SF_BHT]

Good luck and I hope he can get a chance.

[Tracy]

...don't kid yourself that doing what is best for your numbers was the best thing for him.

Geronimo82 is definitely not a numbers-oriented Soldier. He believes in the person and helping them to be the best.

[Greenhat]

Good to go and glad to hear it.

[skeyedvr]

Greenhat what do you know about the Ranger Mindset? For a guy who's experience lies within the National Guard's SF you sure do have a clearly negative response to most everything you address. Please do not be offended but I just don't see where the expertise comes from.

[Greenhat]

I'm just passing on information received from friends who have served in both Ranger Bns and SF. Would you like to ask them where their opinion comes from? One is a retired SF SGM and early battboy. Two others are Grenada Rangers (2d Batt) that went to 1st Group. There are more.

Are you going to claim that the mindsets aren't different?

Oh, and I never served in a Guard Group.

[skeyedvr]

Certainly not. I am going to claim that you are no authority on either SF or Ranger. No need to be so wide spread with your limited experience. hang on to what you got. Leave it to the men that did it for life. Not just a weekend range every now and then. Sorry if that hurts but it is the truth.

I'm just passing on information received from friends who have served in both Ranger Bns and SF. Would you like to ask them where their opinion comes from? One is a retired SF SGM and early battboy. Two others are Grenada Rangers (2d Batt) that went to 1st Group. There are more.

Are you going to claim that the mindsets aren't different?

Oh, and I never served in a Guard Group.

[skeyedvr]

The only way to become a 1SG is a lateral transfer from E-8 to 1SG. Saying that he was an E-7 1SG is ridiculous. What you meant to say that he was an acting 1SG as an E-7. If your recruit were to somehow get to RIP, which will never happen, he will be eaten alive at 30 yrs old. It also makes him different and that alone is like the smell of blood to the guys wanting to become RANGERS. Best bet is to go SF. CSM at 1st Spec Warfare Training Group came in SF as an E-7. May be sympathetic to that old thing. Having been a Team Sergeant, I'd have to think about it before I'd have him on my team. Besides SF wants guys that they can invest in. Longevity is the key there. He may be good, real good, but he has no longevity. Send him Airborne assigned or unassigned and let him give it a try from there. If he stands out in the ABN he will more than likely ID himself as a good candidate for SF. And like the other guys said, he has to start wit 11B anyway. Asking questions is smart but maybe not the smart thing to do when it comes to this. Try calling the SF recruiters at FBNC. They will help you out. Gear your recruiter education toward learning more about Special Ops. It's what everybody wants to do now because they think it is sexy. There is also an mid term objective he may want to look at after he becomes an E-5 or after re-enlistment. There is a unit on FBNC that may be for him if he is mature, good record, good finances, etc and can obtain TS clearance. Once again you can call USASOC Retention for Advice also. Just do it Secure.

Just to clear the air, the Guard quip was a joke. Also if I was "doing what is best for my numbers" or "fill the quota numbers" I wouldn't be getting fired from recruiting for being an ineffective recruiter.

We are trying to get the 18X thing sorted out and as it stands we might get the waiver. But, failing that I'd like to point him him in the right direction. And if all else fails and he decides all he wants is SF, then away from my office, I'll call him and pass along the NG SF info. I'm not going to do it in front of my boss, because even though I might not like him, professional curtesy says I respect the fact that he was an E-7 1SG in the regular Army and had the skill to do well enough at recruiting that he got a station commanders position. The guy goes to the floor on tuesday so we'll know then how things are going to go down.

[NightLandNav]

"Assumption is the mother of all fuckups"

Heard that somewhere...a few times.

[Greenhat]

Leave it to the men that did it for life. Not just a weekend range every now and then.

Is that what you tell the guys from 19th and 20th Groups as they rotate through Afghanistan and Iraq?

[magician]

*Deleted*

[Guy]

skeyedvr:

G82 is aware of the rank structure with in SF and the Army; his dad happens to be one of us and posts here on SOCNET also.:D

Stay safe.

[Tracy]

OK, from the top:

The only way to become a 1SG is a lateral transfer from E-8 to 1SG. Saying that he was an E-7 1SG is ridiculous. What you meant to say that he was an acting 1SG as an E-7.

If Geronimo82 wants to respect his NCO Chain, who are you to throw the BS flag and call him on it? He personally knows of two E-7s who were 1SGs; with the rank and PITAs that go with it. There was no acting about it. Before there was a Ranger Regiment, there was certain Ranger Company with an SFC as the 1SG; and God help the Ranger who f*cked up and didn't call him 'Top' or "First Sergeant". He wasn't a 'scab'; he was the real deal and did a full tour.

If your recruit were to somehow get to RIP, which will never happen, he will be eaten alive at 30 yrs old. It also makes him different and that alone is like the smell of blood to the guys wanting to become RANGERS.

False. The oldest person to graduate from Ranger School was 38 years; and he was from the Regiment. 30 is nothing. If RIP stoops low enough to try and cashier 30-somethings, then hell just froze over. The Ranger Bns didn't start with teenagers, it started with late-20s and early-30s personnel from all over the US Army.

Best bet is to go SF. CSM at 1st Spec Warfare Training Group came in SF as an E-7. May be sympathetic to that old thing. Having been a Team Sergeant, I'd have to think about it before I'd have him on my team. Besides SF wants guys that they can invest in. Longevity is the key there. He may be good, real good, but he has no longevity.

Strangely enough, that's the premise G82 started this dialogue with. I went to SFQC with several E-7s who bagged more A-Team time than most E-5s. It's not a valid argument; and if you look back to SF origins in 1952, it never was. Longevity is nice, but not doable. There's always a SWC billet or Bn/Group/Cmd staff job lurking somewhere for someone. It was blind dumb luck I logged 16 years team time myself. Yes, I too was a Team Sergeant; and served alongside E-8s who were E-7(p)'s when they went through the Q. Did just fine and maintained standards. SF standards.

Send him Airborne assigned or unassigned and let him give it a try from there. If he stands out in the ABN he will more than likely ID himself as a good candidate for SF. And like the other guys said, he has to start wit 11B anyway.

That was me.

Asking questions is smart but maybe not the smart thing to do when it comes to this. Try calling the SF recruiters at FBNC. They will help you out. Gear your recruiter education toward learning more about Special Ops. It's what everybody wants to do now because they think it is sexy.

Bullshit. An NCO in US Army asked a question because he didn't know the answer. He stated tacitly that he was in contact with SF recruiters. He wanted a second opinion and asked if someone had a TTP up their sleeve to get a recruit what he wanted. I assure you that G82 is pretty well briefed on the SF option and its toll. If he isn't, he will ask questions. Oh, right; we covered that...

There is also an mid term objective he may want to look at after he becomes an E-5 or after re-enlistment. There is a unit on FBNC that may be for him if he is mature, good record, good finances, etc and can obtain TS clearance. Once again you can call USASOC Retention for Advice also. Just do it Secure.

Now this is a downright great piece of advice. No sarcasm intended. Even better, it hasn't been brought up yet. This is something G82 can use and pass onto the recruit.

[Tracy]

...Leave it to the men that did it for life. Not just a weekend range every now and then. Sorry if that hurts but it is the truth.

I'm not going to call out your experience; but I can tell you straight up that active SF does NOT have a lock on effectiveness; or the opposite for the Reserve SF.

So here's a question for you: at what point in a typical SF career do we become "men that do it for life"? After the Q Course? After O/I School? After a 1000 freefall jumps? After all the Badge schools? How much should be Team time? Staff time? Instructor time?

That's a rather bold statement and I'm willing to wager the threshold is behind you and not ahead. Odd coincidence there...

[JMD69]

First off...well put Tracy, your method of breaking it down not only makes sense but is well said.

Skeyedvr...bro these are your words to Greenhat "you sure do have a clearly negative response to most everything you address..." and yet your answers have clearly been negative responses as well...a bit on the harsh side if you will.

I agree with Tracy that this thread was started with very good intentions in order to help a young guy figure out how to meet his career goals/dreams. Discouragement is a very nasty thing for anyone in SF to bring to the table.

One thing I have always hated about a very few SpecOps mentalities is "you can't do that...". My question to that phrase is "oh yeah...and how in the f$*^ did you get in then?" I am not directing this line of thought at anyone in this thread, just speaking in general terms given the positive nature of this thread that somewhere went sour with insults and opinions given with blinders.

One can't generalize what we do in SpecOps or put the SF mold into a cookie cutter framework. There are so many variables that make a good SF soldier. Making ill-informed statements such as "the only way a guy this old will make it is via X route" or "you will only get longevity from a younger guy". I really hate to make comments without facts backing up my rear so I say this, I would love to see the statistics to back the aforementioned claim.

My two cents to the 18X 30 year old wannabe is hang in there, don't be discouraged by anything you may read regarding what you can't do (if he is reading any of this, if not his recruiter who is reading this can pass that along) Being SF select or non-select will determine if you are to be an 18 series. There are many options and some have been mentioned here such as:

- Continue the regular Army route and wait for the age waiver for the 18X program.
- Look at the SF Guard as a viable and excellent option to meet your 18 series goals.
- Go the regular Army route in any MOS and apply for SFAS the conventional method.
- THIS SPACE FOR OTHER OPTIONS I MIGHT HAVE MISSED...fill in as needed :)
- Don't QUIT!!


Good luck to you (recruiter and recruit) in getting this all figured out. Look forward to reading how it all turns out in the near future.

(If you want to ask about my experience in SF , PM me...I'll be glad to reply)

[Geronimo82]

Well, the waiver didn't stick. But he looked into Rangers and is going that route. And I do know how ranks work, I assumed him being in a position higher then his grade would show how squared away he was. My bad and I'll be more clear next time.

As for being more up on the SOF stuff, 90% of the people that come in either don't want to be high speed/low drag or aren't qualified. We only found one guy qualified last year for SF and maybe a dozen that qualified for the Rangers. Most want to do college in the reserves or want some high tech job, so that swhat we stay up on.

And I don't know what Magician said (or who deleted it) and I don't care. But the tone in this post is starting go down hill, and it needs to stop before someone blows a gasket and says the wrong thing to the wrong person. I know I'm not well know on here and thats the way I aim to keep it. I'm an 11B2P and the closest I've been to doing anything highspeed with SF was driving a HMMWV for a team during a JRTC rotation. So my knowledge of SOF is gleaned from my father and the guys here on the forum. And here on the forum if it ain't in the general areas or me asking a question, I lurk.

So lets all just take a deep breath and calm down before a mod puts a boot to the lot of us, ok?

[Tracy]

...So lets all just take a deep breath and calm down before a mod puts a boot to the lot of us, ok?

"Cum-By-Ya, my Lord..."

Sorry, couldn't resist. :p

[Geronimo82]

As long as I don't get a call from CINC-House about you prancing aorund the house in a orange robe with a tambourine you can sing what ever floats your boat...

[Greenhat]

As long as I don't get a call from CINC-House about you prancing aorund the house in a orange robe with a tambourine you can sing what ever floats your boat...


With that red hair?

Wow. What a picture...

I think I'll have nightmares...

:D

Oh, and Geronimo? No offense intended regarding the issue on numbers. Didn't know you. Glad to hear you are one of the good guys doing the job.

[Tracy]

As long as I don't get a call from CINC-House about you prancing aorund the house in a orange robe with a tambourine you can sing what ever floats your boat...

OK, so tangerine is still in?

Your Joke-Fu is no good here... :cool:

[Geronimo82]

Don't krishnas shave themselves bald?

[Geronimo82]

Do I need to have someone post the "dive shorts" photo. Cause I know someone has a digital copy on their HD...

Edit: Quadruple cross thread points to me for being really old, funny and wasn't even on this website! Buyah!

[JMD69]

Ahh well....at least you got to work out something new and different...good experience.

I'll get back to my tamborine and harmonica....but orange robes don't look good on me so I'll pass on that garment.

Well, the waiver didn't stick. But he looked into Rangers and is going that route.

...

So lets all just take a deep breath and calm down before a mod puts a boot to the lot of us, ok?

[magician]

And I don't know what Magician said (or who deleted it) and I don't care. But the tone in this post is starting go down hill, and it needs to stop before someone blows a gasket and says the wrong thing to the wrong person.

So lets all just take a deep breath and calm down before a mod puts a boot to the lot of us, ok?

Heh.

I self-deleted the post, G82, because I addressed the tone in the thread from the standpoint of a moderator. I hit the submit button before I realized that I do not moderate this forum, so I felt that it was better to step back and not step on the toes of the guys who do.

To summarize what I said, I advised one guy that he should not drink and post. I advised the other that he should not wrestle with pigs.

I do have one comment to add to the original question.

Your guy is old. Has he looked at other options? It is one thing to advise a guy "just do not quit," and another to ask whether he has looked at jobs in MI. Advising a guy "do not quit" is more germane when a recruit is 20 years old, in my opinion. While such a recruit will be tested physically, mental toughness will be more of a challenge for a younger man than physical ability. At least, I see it this way.

Special ops is a young man's game. By the time that I hit age 35, I was done. The cumulative effect of 15 years under the ruck, of working despite injury, of hundreds of jumps, could no longer be denied. Though I was seasoned, sneaky as hell and meaner than a mad dog, my body was wrecked. I had been assigned to elite units since the age of 20, so the Army got its "longevity" out of me, as one poster stated. But what then? I had no plan, and I still do not, at age 47, so I have done a lot of surfing on the waves of life. I do not recommend it.

While we all know a few exceptional individuals who are still doing the deed well into their 30's, and in some cases, into their 40's (please do not bring up Billy Waugh, as he breaks all of the paradigms), those guys are very much the exception and not the norm. Those guys will have an odd sort of luck, great genetics, and a brutal singularity of mind. They are one percenters, in my opinion.

Ask your recruit a couple of basic questions. What will he do if he fails, as is statistically likely? Ask your recruit, if he succeeds, what is his plan after special ops? As I say, I had none. My shrinks tell me that I assumed that I would die. Perhaps they are correct. I do have a lot of dead friends, as do many of us here. I will never understand why I am not lounging around the fire in the Big Admin Patrol Base in the Sky with a fat dip of Cope stuffed into my lower lip. It is appropriate, I think, to pose these questions to your recruit. When he signs that enlistment contract, he is making a commitment that will change the trajectory of his life.

When I went to RIP, I was 20. It was not a trivial challenge. I had run cross-country in high school, so running long distances was not foreign to me. This really helped me in the unit, as the SP4 mafia hates nothing more than a guy who cannot hang on a run, who cannot reach down into himself and find the means to exceed his own limits, and to finish with the pacesetters.

By the time that I went to Pre-Ranger, I had been polished by legendary NCOs in my platoon. Pre-Ranger, run at that time by George Conrad, was another gut-check. Ranger school was easier. I was 21 years old.

Then I was recycled in Ranger school twice. I was a zombie by the time that I was counseled by my TAC before the last patrol in Mountains.

It took me a long time to recuperate physically from Ranger school. But as anyone who has been there knows, the pace in Ranger Battalion never ceases. I was walking tail-gun in Panama a week after returning from the course.

I was a young man. I pulled it off. An older man... would have to be extremely exceptional to do it.

If your guy is dead set on special ops, fine. He can go and test himself. But if he is not a superb athlete, with no history of injury, and exceptional psychological agility and fortitude, he might be better served, and he might serve America better, if he looked at other jobs in Big Army.

Good luck. Do not be shy to post here. We appreciate what you are doing.

[25Diver]

Hey it seems like a lot of guys want to beat around the bush about this its pretty simple sorry dude do your time else where first it will make you more well rounded the learning curve for 18X is so steep that they either fail all together or get out because believe me I see it all the time but there are very few that are good that stay , I have one on my team but on the same time Ive seen 4 come and go especially when they realize that hollywood shit happens in hollywood and bullets can kill you, I came to SF at a young age but I spent a few years in the Infantry and that was the best thing I could of ever done because I appreciate everything I have now way more because of what I didn't have before.

(NOTE TO POSTER: please do not post in all caps. Please take a moment and try to use some better grammar. Attention to detail. Set the example, brother.

I took the liberty of retyping your post without the caps. I did not fix your grammatical mistakes. Those are on you).

:)

MODERATOR.
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[Tracy]

HEY IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF GUYS WANT TO BEAT AROUND THE BUSH ABOUT THIS ITS PRETTY SIMPLE SORRY DUDE DO YOUR TIME ELSE WHERE FIRST IT WILL MAKE YOU MORE WELL ROUNDED THE LEARNING CURVE FOR 18X IS SO STEEP THEY EITHER FAIL ALL TOGETHER OR GET OUT BECAUSE THEY CANT ADJUST TO MILITARY LIFE AND THAT IS THE TRUTH ABOUT 90% OF THEM DO THIS BELIEVE ME I SEE IT ALL THE TIME BUT THERE ARE VERY FEW THAT ARE GOOD THAT STAY , I HAVE ONE ON MY TEAM BUT ON THE SAME TIME IVE SEEN 4 COME AND GO ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY REALIZE THAT HOLLYWOOD SHIT HAPPENS IN HOLLYWOOD AND BULLETS CAN KILL YOU, I CAME TO SF AT A YOUNG AGE BUT I SPENT A FEW YEARS IN THE INFANTRY AND THAT WAS THE BEST THING I COULD OF EVER DONE BECAUSE I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING I HAVE NOW WAY MORE BECAUSE OF WHAT I DIDNT HAVE BEFORE.

25Diver:

Caps Lock. Far left, about half way up the key board. :)

Bravos... :rolleyes:

[magician]

25Diver:

Caps Lock. Far left, about half way up the key board. :)

Bravos... :rolleyes:

Heh.

Not sure this one will be a good candidate for 18F....

;)

[ussfpa]

Tracy / G82...
USAR recruiter help thread please :D

FYI...NOW the oldest guy to graduate Ranger school is a 43 year old Physical Therapist who went through this past fall !!!:eek:

PA

[ARCHANGELRANGER]

No, no, no.
To my knowledge, the oldest Ranger School Graduate is (was) SFC John Twomey, Class # 6-87. He was in my squad until I broke my ankle and recycled.

He turned 50 two weeks after graduating.

[RGR.Montcalm]

False. The oldest person to graduate from Ranger School was 38 years; and he was from the Regiment.

tracy,

I think you might be a little off-CSM Morrell, Glenn E, Former SMA and 1 BN CSM in 1977 after CSM Caro smoked in, was 41 when he graduated Ranger School in '76 IIRC...

But you're right about the 30 y/o guys- smarter, quieter, and dealt with stress much better than the 18-20 crowd. They also had a lower LOM rate.

Seems to me that a guy that's 'starting' at 30 might be a plus. And he can go to 62, ya know...

[ARCHANGELRANGER]

Is this thing on?

... or are you talking strictly about Batt/Regt boys?

[Brian1/75]

Being old-ass and going through Ranger School and being old-ass and dealing with the spec4 mafia is two different things. If I was 30, I think I'd stay the hell away from Battalion personally. Just curious, what exactly is the difference between Ranger-thinking and SF-thinking. Not trying to start anything, just curious as to what about Batt Boy-thinking might inhibit me if I went to SFAS.

[Hot Mess]

Nothing about being frm Batt. will inhibit you, it will only help you excel. Only one current/ former Batt. boy was not selected in my selection class. He had spent his last two years recruiting and he was from 2/75:rolleyes: :D . As for the different mind set, there is something but I can't put my finger on it as of yet. The biggest thing is the age difference I think. BTW, shouldn't you be looking at another selection course coming from Batt?:D

[Gryfen-FL]

This sounds familiar, I know I don't have the creds to comment on most things in this area...but I have seen the USAREC side of this one:

Guy I did paperwork for a little while ago had a broken wrist when he was 12 or something like that. Fast forward 10 years, and he's looking for an 18X contract.

Background on the guy: No legal, no drug, no med history besides the wrist bone, good ASVAB scores, grades and a college degree. Oh yea, and damn near maxing the PT test.

'Bout the wrist: coming up in regular school, he wrestled and played football. Then did rowing for 4 years. When asked, all doctors and coaches happily sent their evaluations in.

MEPS gives him his physical, and 18X contract....but says the doc doesn't have 'time' to do airborne physcials and to come back next week.

Next week the doc says he won't sign off on an Airborne physical because he could injure his wrist.....

....but they offered him a RIP contract. :rolleyes:

I'm sure it wasn't easy for him, but he got past those clowns. Last I heard of him, he was at SWTC. With what I saw there, and in other situations, I honestly have to woneder if MEPS doesn't deliberatly sabotage some contracts in order to fill shortages in other areas.

[Brian1/75]

Nothing about being frm Batt. will inhibit you, it will only help you excel. Only one current/ former Batt. boy was not selected in my selection class. He had spent his last two years recruiting and he was from 2/75:rolleyes: :D . As for the different mind set, there is something but I can't put my finger on it as of yet. The biggest thing is the age difference I think. BTW, shouldn't you be looking at another selection course coming from Batt?:D
Well I was thinking a NG Group while I go back to college. That would pretty much forego that selection course.

[magician]

I do not feel qualified to address the possible differences in mindset between Ranger Battalion and SF.

I am too old, and my experiences are surely dated.

A younger guy who left Bat and went SF should answer this question.

[Hot Mess]

A younger guy who left Bat and went SF should answer this question.


Give me about 13 months:D

[magician]

Give me about 13 months:D

....And who served in combat in both Ranger Battalion and SF.

;)

No offense intended.

Thanks for picking up the slack for us old broke guys. I am fixing to go take some Mobic, and have my wife give me a massage.

If you live, you too can marry a pretty girl half your age.

:)

[Hot Mess]

Fuck!:D Fair enough. Then give me about two years:D

1st Batt. boys do well enough with their homo Ranger buddies (specially 1/75 guys), but I guess if you double the ninja factor you get a smoking hot girl in her mid-twenties, reguardless of your age of course:D. This will save me a lot of money on my planned black haired, green eyed, Hungarian mail order bride. Plane tickets and all;)

[magician]

Fuck! Fair enough. Then give me about two years

1st Batt. boys do well enough with their homo Ranger buddies (specially 1/75 guys), but I guess if you double the ninja factor you get a smoking hot girl in her mid-twenties, reguardless of your age of course:D. This will save me a lot of money on my planned black haired, green eyed, Hungarian mail order bride. Plane tickets and all;)

Good plan.

Except that it is likely that the Hungarian girls will be ruined by globalism by the time that you are ready to retire.

I am thinking that you will have little alternative but to consider girls from Tibet, or North Korea, or maybe Siberia.

Or you could stick to your Southern Battalion butt buddies.

:)