Someone Wanted to Know Why McCain is Unworthy? Here You Go

[Greenhat]

This was seemingly the best link I could find to it. Perhaps there is a better one? Anyway, it seems to be all here (I got some reading to do):
http://www.aiipowmia.com/ssc/ssctest.html

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/pow/senate_house/pdf/report_S.pdf

[magician]

If anyone successfully gets that whole report downloaded, and would not mind uploading it to DropBox or something, I would be grateful.

The server at loc.gov keeps stalling out at about the 10MB point for me.

[Polypro]

http://www.aiipowmia.com/reports/peck.html

That document is amazing.

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[CarbineM1]

http://www.aiipowmia.com/reports/peck.html

That document is amazing.

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It certainly is.

[OldSwabbie]

Once in awhile you come across something that just reaches out and slaps the living shit out of your senses.. This resignation letter does just that. What Colonel Peck describes is what we see all over Govt in some degree or another. All we can do is strive to find leaders that will "do the right thing" in Washington.. meaning - DO what WE TELL THEM TO DO.

.. Ok.. Dont choke on your pepsi/coffee, I know thats seems like an impossible thing these days (sadly).. but IF, over time, more accountability is brought to bear on ALL 3 branches of Govt.. whether they like it or not.. we may see some headway. Until that happens we can expect little change.

[bobofthedesert]

Yeah, some of us are actually kind of busy. ie, unable to read hundreds of pages of stuff............the implications of this are horrific.

Me neither, so I just went direct to the American Conservative website and found Schanberg's Article.

http://amconmag.com/article/2010/jul/01/00010/

The POW/MIA issue has always been to me one of paramount interest. I always "knew" there were guys left behind, and that Kissinger had things to answer for, but I was unaware of what John McCain had done. I'm really shocked. Like many, I had believed his persona of veteran, former POW, with all that would have seemed to imply. WOW. I'm ashamed to have voted for him, and I can honestly say I've never had less faith in the "powers that be" than at this very moment, knowing that a betrayal of this magnitude could not only take place, but could be "effectively" (in the sense that no will to oppose it could be marshaled) concealed.

I hope when he and John Kerry cross over, all the men they abandoned are waiting for them. How in God's name do we wind up with scum like this running our country? Is it really as simple as just wanting to live our lives and them winding up in the driver's seat by default?

[ARCH-E]

magician,

I have to say that this thread has completely opened my eyes. My heart is heavy this holiday weekend thinking about those who were "forgotten" by our Nation.

Thank you for posting this info and to all who've done the leg-work to shed some light on this issue.

[Polypro]

How in God's name do we wind up with scum like this running our country?

"I'd rather vote for satan, than a democrat/republican"...that's how. Any members here voting in AZ this next election? Are you voting for McCain, or the liberal, hippie, democrat?

http://www.johnmccain.com/

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/election_2010_arizona_republican_primary_for_senat e

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/election_2010_arizona_democratic_primary_for_senat e



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[magician]

http://www.aiipowmia.com/reports/peck.html

That document is amazing.

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It really is.

Peck really laid it out and he called it the way that he saw it.

And exactly nothing happened.

That is what is making me bitter. I keep wondering what more I could have done.

A brother put a copy of the Congressional Report on DropBox, in case any of you guys are having a problem getting it to come down:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8694908/report_S.pdf

[Typhoon]

The POW/MIA issue has always been to me one of paramount interest. I always "knew" there were guys left behind, and that Kissinger had things to answer for, but I was unaware of what John McCain had done.
Is there any chance that this can be turned into a campaign issue by his primary opponents, led by J.D. Hayworth? I have no familiarity with Arizona politics and wonder if this matter will ever be addressed...

And it really bothers me that we would purposely leave men behind and unaccounted for in Vietnam or anywhere we may fight...

[arizonaguide]

No, I kinda speculate it's kinda late in the game...and Hayworth may not want to stir that pot against what MANY perceive as a "war hero" here.
(I think I'll give his campaign a call though).

As much as I wish it wasn't so...I'll bet McCain wins it again. :mad: Then by January Mr. "finish the border fence" will be back to Mr. "amnesty/reform".

Sucks and blows. Doesn't swallow, and NOT even a "reach around" when he screws us.

[arizonaguide]

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/pow/senate_house/pdf/report_S.pdf
Thank you GH! This is my 4th of July weekend reading.

[jsmurphy]

I've researched this issue for years.
I've read the books mentioned. And I've seen the video clips of McCain berating the family members of missing service members on the floor of congress.

It sickens me that somehow, "nothing can be done".:mad:

Our men deserve better.

I did not vote for McCain the traitor.

[arizonaguide]

BINGO.
Just got off the phone with the Hayworth Campaign (manager?) and here's the deal...just as I suspected. It's too much of a "risky" issue to BRING OUT the POW/MIA select hearings, against someone who is considered a "war hero" especially this late in the race.

Instead of standing UP and making it an issue themselves..the Hayworth campaign want to (hope) that the press will pick up the issue for them.

I asked who I should contact in the press to raise the issue (knowing full well they won't) and the response was "just email the press room or the assignments desk".

I expressed my disappointment (understatement) with the fact that Hayworth is in a position to make this a MEDIA issue and won't...and he essentially responded with "that's politics...we can't take the risk in the campaign".

[mdwest]

Why do you think he would run as a Republican? Why do you think the party would accept him? What does his running for ANY party do for generating the political landscape being "dumped on it's ass?"

+1

dont know the good generals political affiliation...

but he publicly claims to have voted for Obama in the last election...

my guess is he would NOT run on the republican ticket..

not that I would vote for him, regardless of the political party he represents..

i think he was probably as solid as it comes as a GO..

that said, i havent seen anything in McChrystal that would make me think he would be a good POTUS or VPOTUS..

[arizonaguide]

Yep, some folks will fight for an issue...but when it comes time to STAND UP and risk it all (politically)and force it to be part of the MEDIA focus, it's not part of the political career gameplan.

Talking about Hayworth/McCain/POW's.

[magician]

Noted.

Agreed. Duly noted.

Part of the problem is that the powerful think that if they ignore something long enough and hard enough that it will go away by itself.

References to investigative journalism by Ramparts and the San Jose Mercury News breach the horizon in these stories. That these pieces saw daylight is perplexing. That they also feed into an alternative narrative that is internally consistent and supported by evidence that anyone can see with their own eyes is astounding.

Part of what helps marginalize people who wonder about it all as conspiracy theorists, no doubt.

For me, it all began when I read Alfred McCoy. And for the record, I believe Bo Gritz more than I disbelieve him.

[magician]

Like I said...I really started asking questions when I read Alfred McCoy.

I could not believe it, at first. So I researched.

As time passed, and as I worked as a federal employee, including a stint with DEA, I got to a point where conspiracy theories were more consistent for me than consensus reality.

The POW/MIA scandal is simply one more example. I would not dismiss some of the cases that you mention as mere rumor. They are clearly more than that.

[magician]

Part of what keeps people from looking at this iceberg and recognizing it for what it is, is their natural revulsion to the realization that consensus reality could be so fraudulent. None of us can easily believe that America could be this fucked up. It is just impossible, we think. And it is far easier to forget about it, to just go to work, to just pay attention to our own little part of the world, and to focus on ourselves and on our families. This is how we are neutered, this is how we are negated, and in fact, this is partly how we are enslaved.

Well, as I have said repeatedly in this thread, you can count me solidly in the ranks of the conspiracy theorists. I have no faith in the mainstream media. I have no faith in public officials. I no longer believe in the establishment narrative. I have seen too much evidence that has been validated and confirmed that gainsays the consensus.

And I have seen too many good men with broken hearts. How can anyone dismiss Tony Peck? How can anyone paint him as a drunk, or a flake?

I have to believe that someday, there will be a reckoning.

[arizonaguide]

Well, as I have said repeatedly in this thread, you can count me solidly in the ranks of the conspiracy theorists. I have no faith in the mainstream media. I have no faith in public officials. I no longer believe in the establishment narrative. I have seen too much evidence that has been validated and confirmed that gainsays the consensus.

And I have seen too many good men with broken hearts. How can anyone dismiss Tony Peck? How can anyone paint him as a drunk, or a flake?

I have to believe that someday, there will be a reckoning.
Ditto. 100%.

Character assasination is one of the (so called) strategies of "modern politics".

And I sure hope that reckoning comes in my lifetime and I actually get to see it.

[DEVSAW]

Part of what keeps people from looking at this iceberg and recognizing it for what it is, is their natural revulsion to the realization that consensus reality could be so fraudulent. None of us can easily believe that America could be this fucked up. It is just impossible, we think. And it is far easier to forget about it, to just go to work, to just pay attention to our own little part of the world, and to focus on ourselves and on our families. This is how we are neutered, this is how we are negated, and in fact, this is partly how we are enslaved.



You make an astute point about people's responses to information.

Questioning those who have swindled their way into office often is confused with lack of patriotism. I think nothing could be further from the truth in some cases. I, for one, love my country and have sacrificed much to defend her against foreign enemies. However, when I see the domestic threat against our ideals from radicals who have swindled their way into key positions, I don't feel lacking in patriotism. Rather, I see THEM as being the enemy of our culture and all our founding fathers wanted for us.

When I see those who would tear apart our Constitution and our Bill or Rights in order to gain more control over the American citizens, I see it as an attack against our country. In the end, I think it's the true patriots who have a problem with the destruction of America. Bankrupt us and you're our enemy. Enslave us and you're our enemy. Disarm us and you're our enemy. Our founding fathers wanted no such thing to ever happen, thus our Bill or Rights for our protection - the protection of the actual citizens.

If these deliberate domestic attacks against our culture and freedoms are pointed out to those who aren't emotionally prepared to deal with the glaring issue, they give off a barrage of highly emotional defense in the form of overwhelming criticism, almost always involving the catch all phrase "Conspiracy Theory" or the favorite attempt to humiliate and end the discussion, "Tin Foil Hat."

I guess people figure if they attack those who present them with the pressing, catastrophic problems facing our nation, it'll all just miraculously go away go away and they won't have to face or deal with it for a while longer...Only problem is, it's only getting worse and it's happening QUICKLY.

Reality will not be denied indefinitely.

It'll be the strongest of patriots who step up to the plate to be counted and who will fight to make the positive changes necessary to keep our country from faltering any further. We're currently losing political clout, globally. Our current president is apologizing for the achievements of our greatest generation. We are screaming headlong into bankruptcy. Our ship is sinking, yet so many still choose to listen to the band, rather than help with hard work of damage control and correction.

The time for denial is long past. The time for corrective action is here. Each of us who love our country must do all we can to have a positive impact on our political system in order to turn this ship around, even if it means enduring the criticism of those who still choose to do nothing.

Today, thank God, is America's Independence Day, not Total Dependence Day. Let's celebrate that fact and remind ourselves what all is at stake.

God bless and rage on!

[magician]

Goddamn, Sawman.

Talk about nailing it.

[Silverbullet]

Please keep this thread on the topic of POW's left behind or McCains possible influence on that.

Thanks

[arizonaguide]

For me, what resonates the most is the charge that McCain closed the records.

There is no doubt that being a POW is not a trivial matter. But when some of those who are qualified to judge him do so, and harshly, I have to pay attention. I am not saying that I will judge him as well. I was not there. But I have to pay attention to what others have to say, and then, because the guy is running for the highest office in the land, I have to weigh it along with all other factors.

McCain is really old. I really hope that he does not get the nomination. Look at W. You can see how much the guy aged under the burden, and he is a far younger man.

I do not like any of our choices. Not one.

I think that there are a ton of folks out there who feel the same, and many of them are supporting Dr. Ron Paul. Not so much because they subscribe to his viewpoints, but because they are expressing dissatisfaction with the system as it stands, and with the choices that we have.


I agree, Magician. Great thread.
Now how do we REALLY solve the problem?