Brady Act Does Little to Reduce Crime

[Augie]

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Report: Brady Act Does Little to Reduce Crime
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>One of the Clinton administration's most aggressive legislative efforts,
>the gun-restricting Brady Act, has produced almost no effect on overall
>murder and suicide rates, according to a recent medical journal report, but

>Attorney General Janet Reno says more study is needed to judge the true
>impact of the law.
>"We're willing to say that we need to do more study here," Reno was quoted
>as saying in an Associated Press article Friday. "We are getting better at
>evaluating what works and what doesn't work. We're getting better at
>identifying crime problems, but we must continue to do everything we can to

>make it as exact as we can."
>But the findings were no surprise to "More Guns, Less Crime" author John
>Lott, ...
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>To read the rest of this article, go to
>http://www.newsmax.com/articles?a=2000/8/6/232429

[Tracy]

If you get a chance, read Lotts' findings in his book.

The Brady Bill works only on people willing to follow the rule of law in the first place.

The amusing thing about Reno is she will wave stats in everyone's face when they fit her agenda, but toss them out and demand "more study" when it doesn't fit her perfect world.

To be honest, most politicos are like Reno. The only thing politicians REALLY want in another term...

[wolfhound227]

Hey! I was just thinking,four or five years ago Texas passed a law making it easier to carry concealed weapons.

Any stat's or thoughts on how that's working out?

[Cole]

Geez, as much as the some Texicans ripped us Canucks with "cock-sucker" remarks and threats of invasion by the Lone Star, I sure do admire your ability to elect politicians that seem to have their heads on straight. I would really like to see statistics related to this bill too...If anything just to bait all the Liberals in this city who have never SEEN a gun, let alone fired one....

[WS-G]

Sift through this site when you have time — it has loads of good pro-gun info: JPFO (http://www.jpfo.org)

[grrlcop74]

Leaving my personal opinions on gun ownership out of this, I'll throw out some stuff we went over last semester in my CJ Policies class.

Buybacks don't work; banning is extremely difficult and generally doesn't work; the Brady bill has large loopholes; lax concealed carry laws don't work either (trust me, all you need here is $20 and you're packin').

What does work? Tougher sentences for gun-related crime (admittedly after-the-fact) has shown a difference, even taking into consideration a higher acquittal rate (Bartley Fox law in MA). I think the future may lie in "personalized" weapons, which restrict use of the weapon to its owner, along with tougher enforcement of existing gun laws.

I realize this is very broad and only superficial...if anybody has any specific questions about something I've said, shoot. Uh...maybe that was a bad choice of words....

Kristen

[Cole]

Kristen
As a Peace-Officer don't you find that a majority of firearms used in criminal acts are stolen or illegal anyways. I find it odd up he in Canada that our friendly neighbourhood socilists are making it hard nigh-on impossible to own a hunting rifle, let alone a handgun, yet most of the shooting incidents in urban areas are committed with firearms that were prohibited...AK varients, stolen pistols, semi or fully auto pea shooters....

[RECON5]

You know the Brady bill does not work when your standing in a gun store, in uniform (I was actually in plain clothes off duty talking to an on duty patrol officer) and a guy, who is a known drug dealer comes in, fills out the form, completes the insta-check and then walks out with a semi auto 9mm carbine. Ok here is the good part...Darwin award material.

The patrol officer recognizes him, goes to the office runs a criminal history and finds a conviction for Family Violence 3 years ago.
Calls me at the store to give a shout if he comes back. While on the phone he and his buddies come waltzing through the door. They could not get the gun to cycle. Long story short another Detective and myself took the guys in the store and the ATF booked them for the weapons charges. Moral of the story..
if you have the balls to buy illegally, go ahead and check it out in the store.

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[WS-G]

Originally posted by grrlcop74:
lax concealed carry laws don't work either (trust me, all you need here is $20 and you're packin').

Why not show some balls and scrap all restrictions against open carrying of arms?

What does work? Tougher sentences for gun-related crime...

All right, I realize that LEOs in any given jurisdiction are required to enforce the law based on what the existing laws are, as opposed to what they personally believe the law should be, however....

If you're a murderer, you die. If you're a sex offender, you die. If you're a drug-dealer, you die. All executions to be performed in full public view. Stoning by the body-politic would be ideal, as (1) it's a slow and painful way to go, thereby serving as a warning to other would-be turds, and (2) everybody gets a piece of the offender.

Non-capital offenses to be punished in direct proportion to the nature of the crime. E.g.: four-fold restitution to the victim(s) (the state collects nothing, with the possible exception of court costs) for theft, caning for assault. Maybe parking some offenders' worthless asses in the stocks while we're at it.

More prisons? Why have any prisons? The laws under which my people have lived for the past 3000+ years do not prescribe incarceration for any period of time. If one commits an offense for which a fine is insufficient, that leaves only corporal and capital punishment. To put it another way, if some turd breaks the law but doesn't rate death, then the order of the day is to fine him, flog him and be done with it, not warehouse him at public expense.

[grrlcop74]

Nnnoooo Mr. Salter!!!! NNNOOO!! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif

It's bad enough we've had quite a few incidents during the last year involving Billy Bob "Rambo Heston" Barker getting trigger happy in crowded areas over a petty crime (or worse yet, perceived crime). The last one was in a WalMart parking lot a couple of days before Christmas in the middle of the day (so you can only imagine how crowded it was) when some moron decides to open fire at a supposed purse snatcher. So far no one has been hurt, but there have been some close calls. The DA's office, although in every instance has had the right to prosecute, declines to do so for obvious publicity reasons. I'm waiting for one of these idgits to kill or seriously injure an innocent bystander. Most civilians I've come across who own handguns don't have near the training it would require to use it anywhere outside their own home anyway (although they'll argue to the contrary with you). My personal pet peeve is the woman whose husband/brother/father has given her a weapon for self-defense, and outside of showing her once how to pull the trigger, has never taught her anything else.
IMHO, it is not the "tools" of our trade that set us apart from civilians so much as TRAINING, TRAINING, TRAINING.

Kristen
P.S. We're hiring down here too http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

[NMBR5ML]

Mr. Salter... I wholeheartedly agree. I'm sure, however, that very few would take advantage of that... It is lawful in Arizona, for instance, to carry openly but like once a year I actually see someone with a handgun on their belt (and no badge). Plus the first time any manager at the video store or the Wal Mart sees a big fat redneck with a Ruger 9mm and a reload on his belt, you can expect to see a sign on the front door..."NO FIREARMS" Carrying concealed requires 16 hours of training and background check.

Kristen- You're right, that kind of crap is bound to happen, but it also has to be weighed against the fact that no one, but the dumbest asshole criminal, would attempt to pull anything in the presence of a visibly armed person...