Training by ArmorGroup?

[rudling]

I have an opportunity to work for ArmorGroup in Kabul. They have invited me to training in TX., prior to deployment. Anyone BTDT and care to comment? I have little information about the course and am wondering what to expect.

[RAT]

I have an opportunity to work for ArmorGroup in Kabul. They have invited me to training in TX., prior to deployment. Anyone BTDT and care to comment? I have little information about the course and am wondering what to expect.

PM easyrungents here. He knows all about your program.

If that does not work and he does not get back to you ASAP PM me and I get in touch with him via his AGNA e-mail.


RAT OUT!!!

[rudling]

Thanks Rat,

I received an email from AG after I posted, had most of the info I was looking for. Thanks again to SOCNET and especially S.B. for holding the door open. I'm hoping make my next post from A-STAN.

TTFN

Rudling

[rsumm001]

I work with an OSI team that went through the same training prior to deployment, one of the guys makes amateur vidoes and passed one on to me of the training there. If you would like the video file PM me and I will send it to you. Good Luck.

[RAT]

I work with an OSI team that went through the same training prior to deployment, one of the guys makes amateur vidoes and passed one on to me of the training there. If you would like the video file PM me and I will send it to you. Good Luck.

Greg did not charge you??? He should stay to vid's and not teaching. TTP's change daily as you know. Be safe were ever you go.

RO!!!

[SOTB]

I have little information about the course and am wondering what to expect.The most important thing to remember about training at AG's TX site, (or at ANY San Antonio training site, for that matter), is to make sure you don't leave the AO without having dinner OR lunch at "The County Line" and/or "Pappadeux" (the one by the North Star mall).

If eating at The County Line, you are GAY if you do not have the Cadillac All-You-Can-Eat dinner. And you are a walking poster-child for Gerbil-abusers if you don't have at least three plates.

Have a great time at the class....

[RAT]

The most important thing to remember about training at AG's TX site, (or at ANY San Antonio training site, for that matter), is to make sure you don't leave the AO without having dinner OR lunch at "The County Line" and/or "Pappadeux" (the one by the North Star mall).

If eating at The County Line, you are GAY if you do not have the Cadillac All-You-Can-Eat dinner. And you are a walking poster-child for Gerbil-abusers if you don't have at least three plates.

Have a great time at the class....

and DON'T for get to have BEEF ribs. :D

RO!!!

[SOTB]

and DON'T for get to have BEEF ribs....Texans should be appalled at how hard it is to get BEEF ribs in the state of Texas....

[brcannon]

Went to AGNA's Kabul embassy course in September. It was pretty good. Its not actually a training course but a vetting course. You'll do a little bit of everything(except PSD). Great instructors and such. Try and find out how many cars you can fuck up in one day. My team had two.

[Outofcontrol]

y'all need to stop...y'all are making me homesick

Displaced San Antonian here :(

OOC, out

[rudling]

I appreciate the input on the vetting course. Double on the advice for chow, makes my arteries harden up just thinking about it. If I make it past San Antonio I'll be sure to stop in at The County Line and Pappadeux.

[brcannon]

While your there, unless you go shopping at the walmart in town you'll be eating alot of fast food. Theres a pretty decent restauraunt called los casadores there though. You'll be visiting one one the fattest towns in Texas. Have fun.

[MailBuoy]

Sounds like you are talking Dilly, TX. Driving course is pretty darn good (Been through twice), the shooting course is lacking (Been through once). In terms of shooting they may call in instructors based on the level of the students; my instructors had no business teaching anything. When I went through our class consisted of everything from career SOF guys to people who had never touched a weapon before. I was amazed noone got shot accidentely.

[RAT]

Sounds like you are talking Dilly, TX. Driving course is pretty darn good (Been through twice), the shooting course is lacking (Been through once). In terms of shooting they may call in instructors based on the level of the students; my instructors had no business teaching anything. When I went through our class consisted of everything from career SOF guys to people who had never touched a weapon before. I was amazed noone got shot accidentely.

When did you do the shooting package?

RO!!!

[Believeraz]

One more vote for Pappadeaux's here. Also, don't leave town without swinging into Rudy's BBQ. It's easy to recognize: it's a converted gas station. I always have to bring some of Rudy's sauce home for my wife when I make it to Austin or San Antonio. Their brisket and sausage is outstanding!

[nofear]

I'm hoping make my next post from A-STAN.


Bring lots of cold weather kit....

[RAT]

Went to AGNA's Kabul embassy course in September. It was pretty good. Its not actually a training course but a vetting course. You'll do a little bit of everything(except PSD). Great instructors and such. Try and find out how many cars you can fuck up in one day. My team had two.


Who told you it is a Vetting course? It should be a train up course. You should have been vetted prior to hire.

RO!!!

[brcannon]

the instuctors said repeatedly that it was a vetting course. Although you DO get training, your expected to have a certain level of skill and experience or you will be dropped.

[SGTROCK]

Sounds like you are talking Dilly, TX. Driving course is pretty darn good (Been through twice), the shooting course is lacking (Been through once). In terms of shooting they may call in instructors based on the level of the students; my instructors had no business teaching anything. When I went through our class consisted of everything from career SOF guys to people who had never touched a weapon before. I was amazed noone got shot accidentely. What the hell are you talking about? Call in instructors based on the level of the students? Who were these instructors that had no business teaching anything?

Rock

[SOTB]

Bring lots of cold weather kit....No kidding. I got to Kabul a week ago and it was snowing. No big deal as I am a civvie who lives in an upscale compound -- all the comforts of home. So I brought a jacket. And some thick socks. Because I am going to Kandahar -- where it is WARM.

Fast forward 3 days.

The generator goes out at night. And it is cold. I get to scrape ice off the windshield in the morning, after walking over the frozen pond that separates my tent from the place I parked. My jacket and socks are really working well....:rolleyes:

[Guy]

SOTB:

"Travel light; freeze at night.":D

Stay safe.

[Lefty6]

I attended the first course back in May/June 07. Instructors made every effort to teach beyond just DOS standards. The firearms instruction was excellent, and taught by guys that had plenty of knowledge to pass down.

[SOTB]

SOTB:

"Travel light; freeze at night.":D

Stay safe.HAHAHAHA I'm a civilian, damn it! I'm supposed to sleep in hotels and eat dinners I can't afford to when I'm at home. Instead, I'm eating at Supreme-run chowhalls, which only serve to remind one why we NEVER want to let NATO run a war for us -- these dudes simply don't have any money. And I'm sleeping in a tent that works best to ensure that the water that floods in never evaporates, as it would in the sun outside (even the COLD sun).

Sigh. You'd think they would at least have more room in the Tim Horton's so that I don't have to stand outside 15 min to get inside to buy my donuts and hot chocolate....:D

[Outofcontrol]

Is the Coffee Bean still there next to the PX at the KAF? Ahh....nothing like a spiced chai mocha latte for the cold.

OOC, out

[MailBuoy]

When did you do the shooting package?

2004.

What the hell are you talking about? Call in instructors based on the level of the students? Who were these instructors that had no business teaching anything?

I say that because I had heard good things about the course before I attended. The two instructors had between them 8 or so years in the Air Force; one was OSI, the other Security Forces, IIRC. Zeroing took forever as the instructors kept giving wrong 'dope' corrections tothe more inexperienced shooters (So experienced shooters just ignored them), the whole thing seemed rushed and they had to be prompted to include key points of instruction such as stoppages and malfunctions. On the second day a third guy showed up and started contridicting what the other two instructors had taught the previous day.

Don't get me wrong, the first two instructors were good guy and all, and tried hard. IMHO they just didn't have the knowledge to teach the course especially as we had some very experienced shooters. We also had one guy who had never fired a rifle before.

The reason why I attended the driving course twice and the shooting course only once is because of issues like these led to our not using them anymore for shooting but we continued to do the driving there.

I assume they have more advanced instructors as they have a sniper course there. Plus I have heard the whole training site has been expanded since 2004.

[RAT]

2004.



I say that because I had heard good things about the course before I attended. The two instructors had between them 8 or so years in the Air Force; one was OSI, the other Security Forces, IIRC. Zeroing took forever as the instructors kept giving wrong 'dope' corrections tothe more inexperienced shooters (So experienced shooters just ignored them), the whole thing seemed rushed and they had to be prompted to include key points of instruction such as stoppages and malfunctions. On the second day a third guy showed up and started contridicting what the other two instructors had taught the previous day.

Don't get me wrong, the first two instructors were good guy and all, and tried hard. IMHO they just didn't have the knowledge to teach the course especially as we had some very experienced shooters. We also had one guy who had never fired a rifle before.

The reason why I attended the driving course twice and the shooting course only once is because of issues like these led to our not using them anymore for shooting but we continued to do the driving there.

I assume they have more advanced instructors as they have a sniper course there. Plus I have heard the whole training site has been expanded since 2004.

Right on... Point taken and good assestment.

RO!!!

[Believeraz]

Sigh. You'd think they would at least have more room in the Tim Horton's so that I don't have to stand outside 15 min to get inside to buy my donuts and hot chocolate....:D

Aaaah, the hardships of war. :D

I was happy, as there was no line at Green Beans today, and the cake was fresh out of the oven. Double Cafe Mocha makes my day much better...

Who'd have thunk it?

[mdwest]

No kidding. I got to Kabul a week ago and it was snowing. No big deal as I am a civvie who lives in an upscale compound -- all the comforts of home. So I brought a jacket. And some thick socks. Because I am going to Kandahar -- where it is WARM.

Fast forward 3 days.

The generator goes out at night. And it is cold. I get to scrape ice off the windshield in the morning, after walking over the frozen pond that separates my tent from the place I parked. My jacket and socks are really working well....:rolleyes:

bwaaaahahahahahaha....

and here i thought my living conditions were sucking! we're living in high cotton when compared to you... (even though i wouldnt feed the box lunches they serve here to a feral cat :confused: NASTY )

i feel much better now!

[SGTROCK]

2004.



I say that because I had heard good things about the course before I attended. The two instructors had between them 8 or so years in the Air Force; one was OSI, the other Security Forces, IIRC. Zeroing took forever as the instructors kept giving wrong 'dope' corrections tothe more inexperienced shooters (So experienced shooters just ignored them), the whole thing seemed rushed and they had to be prompted to include key points of instruction such as stoppages and malfunctions. On the second day a third guy showed up and started contridicting what the other two instructors had taught the previous day.

Don't get me wrong, the first two instructors were good guy and all, and tried hard. IMHO they just didn't have the knowledge to teach the course especially as we had some very experienced shooters. We also had one guy who had never fired a rifle before.

The reason why I attended the driving course twice and the shooting course only once is because of issues like these led to our not using them anymore for shooting but we continued to do the driving there.

I assume they have more advanced instructors as they have a sniper course there. Plus I have heard the whole training site has been expanded since 2004. Oh ok Iam in the clear then!:D I do appreciate your answer though thank you. Both Finger(Program Manager) and myself (senior instructor) came after 2004. And yes you would be correct it has changed drastically for the better since Finger took over the program in 2005. Take care.

Lefty, thanks for the better assessment! lol

Rock

[SOTB]

i feel much better now!I hate you....

[Lefty6]

Rock, no problem.

[Finger]

I'm glad that got cleared up. My old tender feelings were hurt. :(

[Oldtexan]

Being an old fart, I have wisdom on instructors going back to the nam era. Plus, I have the added wisdom of running static ranges in years past.

AGNA has awesome tac instructors (Jan 08, ITI Va.). They ran a decent range, and obviously tweaked the skills of the hot shits. Every single person felt their skills had been enhanced from the training.

Many years ago I was on the US Army International Police shooting team...45's. I trained with the Army pistol team. I broke or matched a number of static range records. I was not prepared for the combat shooting they taught. The AGNA instructors showed me that I am old and slow.

Then they fixed that. I left with a confidence that I had gotten some damn good training. The skills needed to do the job. I am grateful. Well done.

[navman]

Did ITI in San Antonio several years ago. Excellent training. My regards to Scott and Scott!

[RAT]

Did ITI in San Antonio several years ago. Excellent training. My regards to Scott and Scott!

LOL... I would bet that they were gone from iti 6 months after you attended. LOL :D

RO!!!

[navman]

LOL... I would bet that they were gone from iti 6 months after you attended. LOL :D

RO!!!

Seriously? What did(n't) they do? Or do I even want to know. :confused:

[SGTROCK]

Seriously? What did(n't) they do? Or do I even want to know. :confused: Ive been at ITI Texas since Nov 2005 and havent heard of a Scott or another Scott. lol

Rock

[RGR.Montcalm]

The most important thing to remember about training at AG's TX site, (or at ANY San Antonio training site, for that matter), is to make sure you don't leave the AO without having dinner OR lunch at "The County Line" and/or "Pappadeux" (the one by the North Star mall).

If eating at The County Line, you are GAY if you do not have the Cadillac All-You-Can-Eat dinner. And you are a walking poster-child for Gerbil-abusers if you don't have at least three plates.

Have a great time at the class....

Is the Pappadeaux in Houston AP the same place/chain? If so, then its off the hook!

[SOTB]

Is the Pappadeaux in Houston AP the same place/chain? If so, then its off the hook!Same chain, and I eat there when flying through Houston -- but it is also not my fav restaurant of the chain -- just a convenient one. The one at the North Star Mall in San Antonio consistently puts out a great product and I like that location/area a lot.

What does "off the hook" mean?

[RAT]

Seriously? What did(n't) they do? Or do I even want to know. :confused:

Rock is the only instructor that anyone knows who has been there over 2yrs... ITI Texas has a high turn over in Instructors.

RO!!!

[navman]

Rock is the only instructor that anyone knows who has been there over 2yrs... ITI Texas has a high turn over in Instructors.

RO!!!

Ah, got it.

[Inspector Cluseo]

Is the Pappadeaux in Houston AP the same place/chain? If so, then its off the hook!

They have two in Atlanta-c'est bonne, dude, have had two Camerone dinners there. Always great at all their places. Atl and Houston and they serve boudin - Thumbs up...
G