M4 Folding Sights

[MailBuoy]

Can someone recommend a good set of folding sights for the rail mount on an M4? I am going on deployment soon and need to get a set. I tried out some Troy folding front and rears and love them, but they are a bit too pricey for me. I see that Midwest Industries has a set about 30% cheaper than the Troy ones, but I know nothing about the company. Only requirement (Besides someone's recommendation) is that they be the same height as the Troy sights and be adjustable about as easily as M4/M16 style sights.

[BigZippo]

Try these
http://www.armsmounts.com/catalog.php?action=110&cat_id=4

[JCastro]

I have used the ARMS. They work great and adjust just like the stock M-4 sights. If I were to buy now I would go for the Troys though.

[MailBuoy]

Thanks both you guys but I need a rear and a front, plus they are just as expensive as the Troy sights. I wish I could find schematics for the Troy so I knew how tall the sights needed to be as they are the perfect height.

Since you both recommended the ARMS I will put them on my 'good-to-go' list. We are buying flip-up iron sights but I will deploy before they get here.

[Forestboy]

GG&G makes folding sights also. I have a set on my M-forgery. I like them.

http://www.gggaz.com/index.php?cat=38

[MailBuoy]

Forestboy, those are $160 BUCKS!!! I am sure they are good to go but I am trying to save money here. The Troy sights are about $120 bucks for the front sights and for the rear ($240 total). I don't want to spend that kind of cash.

I am wondering here; why are the GG&G front sights $160 and the rear sights are only $120?

[armorer1]

Try Knights Armament (http://www.knightarmco.com/mod_weapons_2.htm) or Lewis Machine and Tool (http://www.lewismachine.net/store.php?cid=2&session=939ce219723809019a3f5caf12fbe2ec).

[iraqgunz]

Mail,

Look at Yankee Hill Machine. Do a search for Valhalla Tactical. The owner is Aaron and is a former 3 ID soldier. I have YHM sights and they are good to go.

[SN]

AF puts GG@G or ARMS on their M-4's. I like the ARMS better, and at $100.00 are nice. Get the 40L model if you plan on using any optics.

[JCastro]

I am not trying to be a jerk here...

I understand that you are trying to save a few bucks, but if you are going to be using these sights day in and day out I think that it would be worth spending a few extra dollars to ensure you get good quality equipment. It may just save your life.

I assume that you have checked with whatever company/unit you are deploying with and will be allowed to mod your weapon with your own equipment. The client that I work for does not allow us to mod ours at all. Luckily they provide good stuff! Good luck!!

[yojinbukai]

2nd vote for Yankee Hill Machine. Effective, inexpensive, and as durable as any others out there.

There are a wide variety of these BUIS out there so take your time.

Heck, Brownells sells a lot of them and you can get a significant discount on their program.

[The91Bravo]

GG&G makes folding sights also. I have a set on my M-forgery. I like them.

http://www.gggaz.com/index.php?cat=38

That is exactly what I have on my baby here:
http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?t=70110

And it has been an excellent sight.

The only thing I do not like, when folding it down, I have to roll the sight back to the large aperture, or it does not lay flat. Then when I roll it up, I switch back to the small peep....

Other than that, it is rock solid and accurate, as well as easy to adjust..

my .02

[MailBuoy]

Based on the feedback here I will go for the Yankee Hill sights, a friend recently bought a pair and loves them now. Valhalla indeed has good prices and I just picked up a set of fore and aft, plus a new foregrip. I have one more range day before I leave. Everyone, thanks for your quick feedback and yes I can modify my weapon.

JCastro; you aren't being a jerk, your point is well taken. I am not trying to nickle and dime someone here, I am just weighing spending a couple of hundred bucks now for something I am going to get issued in a couple of months.

For those of you experienced with both the Troy and the YHM sights, what are the pro and cons in your opinions?

Also, and not to change the topic, anyone ever use (downrange) the 3x magnifier for the EO Tech or Aimpoint? I played around one that was leant to us on the range (The Troy sights were also leant to us) and I really liked it. Can anyone chime in who has used them while deployed?

P.S. I've seen a lot of pictures of weapons with no front sight. I would assume they have a post on their laser that they are aiming off of; is this correct?

[PsYcHo16]

I am not trying to be a jerk here...

I understand that you are trying to save a few bucks, but if you are going to be using these sights day in and day out I think that it would be worth spending a few extra dollars to ensure you get good quality equipment. It may just save your life.

I assume that you have checked with whatever company/unit you are deploying with and will be allowed to mod your weapon with your own equipment. The client that I work for does not allow us to mod ours at all. Luckily they provide good stuff! Good luck!!

Agreed 100%.

I don't know if you know this, but adding a flip up front sight to you issued M-16 or M-4 will be kind of a pain, you will have to punch the sight post/bayonet lug off the barrel, remove the flash hider, and then add a new front sight, attach the gas block and re-attach your front flash hider.

Secondly, Is there a reason that you are taking parts off your work gun? I mean, I don't know what rifle you are working with, and what are you trying to accomplish?

[MailBuoy]

Agreed 100%.

I don't know if you know this, but adding a flip up front sight to you issued M-16 or M-4 will be kind of a pain, you will have to punch the sight post/bayonet lug off the barrel, remove the flash hider, and then add a new front sight, attach the gas block and re-attach your front flash hider.

Secondly, Is there a reason that you are taking parts off your work gun? I mean, I don't know what rifle you are working with, and what are you trying to accomplish?

It's a flat top model with 4 way rails. And yes, it is an issued weapon that I am taking on deployment. I have the option of rigging it as I wish, to an extent. The issue is the fixed sights are not high enough, or barely high enough, to be seen through the optics.

And JCastro makes good points. I edited my above post and added this;

"JCastro; you aren't being a jerk, your point is well taken. I am not trying to nickle and dime someone here, I am just weighing spending a couple of hundred bucks now for something I am going to get issued in a couple of months."

[Massgrunt]

The issue is the fixed sights are not high enough, or barely high enough, to be seen through the optics.
And if you could see them, it would probably bug the shit out of you and interfere with your aim. With a flat mounted Eotech and a front sight post, I always had to give up my cheek weld to use the sight.

[Forestboy]

Why are you tring to see the front sight through the optic? With an EOTech you simply look at the red dot/circle with both eyes open. The front and rear sights would be used if the EOTech goes tits up, then your looking through the rear sight, focusing on the front sight and ignoring the EOTech.

There is no need to line up the reticle in the optic with the front sight post.

Hopefully I mistook what you typed.

[GackMan]

I have an ARMS 40 and an ARMS 40L on two different guns.

One has a folding YHM gas block (the whole gas bock is replaced and the folding front sight is incorporated into it) and one has the fixed front sight that came with the weapon. Something tells me your parent unit wouldn't be too excited about you removing your front sight and gas block... So you probably only have to worry about buying the rear sight.

[MailBuoy]

I am officially a dumbass!! You guys tried to explain things to me but I got all myopic on the issue. Sure I have a top rail. Sure I can mount a folding front sight there. But I still got that big pointy thing called a fixed front sight! I know, I know, this is where I get the 17 'no shit Sherlock' comments. I am officially an idiot and they need to take my rifle away and issue me a spork for a while. I couldn't see the forest for the trees.

[The91Bravo]

I am officially a dumbass!! You guys tried to explain things to me but I got all myopic on the issue. Sure I have a top rail. Sure I can mount a folding front sight there. But I still got that big pointy thing called a fixed front sight! I know, I know, this is where I get the 17 'no shit Sherlock' comments. I am officially an idiot and they need to take my rifle away and issue me a spork for a while. I couldn't see the forest for the trees.


Same set up as mine.. (view pic in thread in my previous post)

The iron sights verify and backup the Holo sight very well... Especially if I have the power dimmed way down in woods then pop out into the sun... Did not have to amp up the EoTech, just used the iron...

[MailBuoy]

I used to have an EOTech, and really liked it as I felt the square sight gave me a wider field of view. My only issue with it was that it always (At least in Afghanistan) had to be at the absolute highest setting during the day and then it still seemed like it wasn't bright enough. With the Aimpoint I found that I could always back it off at least one setting, and usually two during the day. I think the red dot on the Aimpoint helped also. I also liked the 'wheel' on the Aimpoint; I could simply turn it all the way on and then back it off w/o looking, while with the EOTech I felt I had to turn it on and then look to make sure the brightness was set right.

[The91Bravo]

I used to have an EOTech, and really liked it as I felt the square sight gave me a wider field of view. My only issue with it was that it always (At least in Afghanistan) had to be at the absolute highest setting during the day and then it still seemed like it wasn't bright enough. With the Aimpoint I found that I could always back it off at least one setting, and usually two during the day. I think the red dot on the Aimpoint helped also. I also liked the 'wheel' on the Aimpoint; I could simply turn it all the way on and then back it off w/o looking, while with the EOTech I felt I had to turn it on and then look to make sure the brightness was set right.

X2 that is a very valid point. Glad I have both :D

[Massgrunt]

I am officially a dumbass!! You guys tried to explain things to me but I got all myopic on the issue. Sure I have a top rail. Sure I can mount a folding front sight there. But I still got that big pointy thing called a fixed front sight! I know, I know, this is where I get the 17 'no shit Sherlock' comments. I am officially an idiot and they need to take my rifle away and issue me a spork for a while. I couldn't see the forest for the trees.
You can still use an Eotech, but you will have to adopt a "modified cheek weld" of sorts. It's not ideal, but it's workable.

[JCastro]

I ran mine with the standard front site, GG&G flip up and the Eotech mounted on the flat top. It worked great. The center dot of the Eotech sat right on top of the front site post. I liked that the sights were co-witnessed and I did not have to adjust my cheek weld at all. I hate having to mount an optic on top of the carry handle.

[Scotty]

For a decent price check out www.del-ton.com.

Scotty