Texas Manhunt

[dsumner]

I'm just wondering if anyone besides me is following the manhunt for the 7 escaped inmates down in Texas. I'm not one to pass judgement on anyone, but from the info I have so far it looks like a lot of the facilities staff fucked up royally.

[RECON5]

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I am following it pretty close, but of course so is everyone down here in LE. We have had spottings from 2 blocks from our office in the Capital Station all the way to El Paso, and from the report that I have they were just very well planned, and just as well executed of course it is not hard to believe with the events that have since taken place. There is no doubt they have an ageneda.

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[jnc36rcpd]

The Blotter section of wwww.lineofduty.com has pretty regular coverage. Be safe.

[Augie]

I just heard that 22 CO's called in sick that day at the facility. They didn't say how many are duty durning one shift but it couldn't be that many.

[Sharkbait]

I agree that somebody there screwed up, but I think the blame is truly needs to rest on all those people out there who think that prisoners should be given special privilages and such while in jail. I dont know about y'all but I always thought of jail as a "BAD" place to go. Nowadays its not that way at all because of these "rehab" minded people pushing for all these comforts for them. Until that stops, nothing will change. I just moved here a few months ago but was LE in Virginia for quite a while so I got to see it first hand there. This is the first time in my life that I have been unable to lawfully carry my gun with me in civvies, so this whole thing really chaps my hide, especially since these hamburgers are still in my area, or believed to be for that matter.....

Prisoners are there to be punished. Not have picnics or "spreads", watch TV, workout, earn money, free college. I think that Sheriff out in Arizona??, the whole out in the tent idea, has it right. We did it in the military on foreign soil, why cant murderers, thieves, rapists,etc ..do it here. At least here they arent gonna be shot at, bombed or poisoned!


my 2 cents..

[RECON5]

Sharkbait there is only one problem with your post............ It makes too dawm much sense. The latest story/rumor passed out for an explanation is that it was civilians, who were watching the maintanence area that let them stay in the building, while everyone else went to eat. Then when they came back the inmates took them one at a time. Then once out of that area they worked on the guards at the gate ect. So it was a combination of things. I am at least in theory in agreement with Sharkbait. We all know from the C.O.'s on this forum how understaffed they are, and I dont believe this prison is any different.

*** I just hope the in-mates, who make our belts, buckles, tie-tacks, notebooks ect. dont escape.....man those guys do good work for a cheap price**

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[RogueExec]

Originally posted by RECON5:

*** I just hope the in-mates, who make our belts, buckles, tie-tacks, notebooks ect. dont escape.....man those guys do good work for a cheap price**



Not to mention that if they were to go, prices on license plates would go way up.

[Jeff Rambo]

Well, the media has certainly put this incident in the history books.

"The Texas Seven" - This term is being used by ABC, Fox, CNN, Reuters (they actually are using terms, go figure), and MSNBC.

I can only imagine the movie.

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[dsumner]

Well while were on the subject of inmate rehab let me tell you how some of our former inmates are doing.

Inmate S. got out in late 1998. Approximately 1 week later an employee saw high in down town Norfolk high as a kite. A few weeks later he went on a roberry spree robbng six local banks, and one in TN, before being arrested.

He had just robbed bank, while high on crack, and attempted to make his get away in a taxi cab. When the taxi arrive at its destination, MacDonalds, the driver demanded payment. Inmate S. reached into the bank bag for some and the dye bag exploded.

Inmate B. (one of my former workers) was released in 1999. He was seen working for a local janitoral company, nad reportedly doing well. One New Years Eve 1999, inmate B. was in the process of robbing a local fast food joint with a sawn off shot gun, when an unmarked police car approached. As the officer began to exit his vehicle, inmate B. panicked, ran out the door, and fired at the officer.

The officer managed to dive behind the door of his vehicle, but was struck in the face and shoulder by the blast. Inmate B. tried to run, but the wounded officer was able to get off two shots at inmate B., one of which struck him in his ass.

The now wounded former inmate, unable to run, attempted to car jack a passing vehicle. Waving his shotgun at a car, the female driver stopped and was forced from the vehicle, by this time other units had arrived on the scence and blocked inmate B's escape.

Inmate B., being the bright individual that ge was, exited the vehicle and attempted to flee once again. This time he was shot twice more by the responding officer. At his trial He stated that "if you are the police officer I shot, I'm sorry".

Inmate B. arrived back at our facility last week with a brand new 75 year sentance.

Inmate P., who was serving a sentace for burglary, escape, and distribution of crack cocain, paroled in the middle of 1999. His family, has connections to the entertainment and sports world, gave him a brand new car, and approximately $10,000 in cash to start his new life.

In the fall of 2000 inmate P. was arrested by a local police agency's fugitive squad for violating his parole, possession of cocain, and robbery. He was flat broke, and had sold his car for money to by drugs.

He was convicted and had to return to court for sentancing. While sitting in his court house holding cell awaiting his sentance, he escaped custody by crawling out of an unsecured air condonditioning ventt that was being being repaired by contractors. He is still on the run.

In the housing unit I currently have 13 inmates who have left within the last two years and are back again. I also know of 3 more who are currently in awaiting transfer back to us.

[Augie]

The revolving door policy at work.

[dsumner]

Only in America. Land of the free and home of the repeat offender. Who will proadly proclaim "i didn't do it, and if I did, I had a good reason."

[RECON5]

Yeah it's too bad we are in the this line of work. I could use a break like club fed. Shoot, learn a craft, get my law degree, while somebody else paid for it, and then when I got out. I would have a career and a hobby.
The problem is most of these shit heads ain't that smart.....



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[dsumner]

Trust me when I say a lot of these guys look at going to prison as a break. They get a chance to rest up, get back into shape, get free medical care (the minute they get locked up they start in with a list of medical problems), hook up with old friends and figure out a way to try and get over on some one.

[sanpat10]

You know, it's hard to understand how the seven escapees managed to have free "roam" of the prison grounds. I worked as a CO in the county jail for seven years. I can say that we never used a inmate charged with a felony or a convicted felon for trustees. Not even to work inside the jail.

These guys were allowed to work in the shop and had ample opportunity to fabricate their weapons of choice. Now the "brass" is trying to lay blame on the CO's. It's sad that some of those guys are going to lose their jobs over something that the "brass" could have averted.

[E19]

To any CO,

Why did you choose to work in the jail/prison
system?

[dsumner]

SanPat, a prison is little differant than a jail. Everyone in prison is a convicted fellon, but I still find it hard to beleive they were left unsupervised while on a work detail.

E-19 I chose to this line of work becuase several people I know told me I should apply. They said they were always looking for good employees and thought I'd be good at it. The money's not to bad (it could always be better), and someone's got to do it.

You can't just put anyone in charge of these guys. You need common sense, a little patiences, the ability to see through a whole lot of bullshit, and most importantly the ability to say no.

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[1026]

Was the prison from which these guys escaped a state facility, or a private facility?

I'm not a big believer in private prisons; I figure it is one of the government's real functions.

Here in Ohio, several convicts escaped from a private prison, but they were caught, amid much hoopla.

Hats off to you, dsumner; keep those characters at Indian Creek/St. Brides in line.

[falcon2]

New York City news stations are reporting that some or all seven of the fugitives are heading to or already in the NYC area.

[Sharky]

That's weird, our classified intel reports say something totally different. I better call em and tell em to check with the news and radio stations in NYC. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

Not serious here, just a little smartass humor. But, no, I don't believe that they are going to NY.

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[DFC5343]

Mexico....planning the next move.

[dsumner]

1026, it was state run facility. I'm still trying to figure out why htey would leave a group of inmates on a work detail unspervised.

I think I lot of people who work in a prison forget where they are working. They become relaxed and let their gaurd down. They feel that they can trust this inmate or that inmate is cool with them. They think they have friendship with the inmate. This type of attitude will get you killed. Thursday afternoon, I was in my housing unit when an inmate comes into the building followed by a second one, and both were arguing.

The second inmate was one I've never had a problem with. The next thing I now inmate number two is trying to hit inmate one in the head. I grab him and slam him against the wall. Their are two CSWs in the hall with us and the one grabs inmate one, and the other tries to help me keep inmate two from hitting inmate one. Between the two of us we can barely keep inmate two from geeting to inmate one. I had to relase his arm slightly, to key my radio, and he pulls away and tries to land two more punches before I could get his arm again.

All of this happend in less than a minute. Two minutes before that things were quite. Both of these inmates are people I've never had a problem with before and one of them was in charge of my building clean up crew about two years ago.

These guys are not in prison for stealing a pack of bubblegum from the local 7-eleven store. They are there for a reason, and thats exactly where 90-95% of them need to stay.

I don't care how well you think you know them they can and will turn on you in a second.

In 99 the we had an inmate assault an officer when he didn't want to submit to a search (the inmate had herion stashed in his pants leg), and this is one of the same inmates that was always "yes sir officer, no sir officer, is there any thing I can help you with, or this is a picture of my family and I can't wait to get back out there,etc. etc.

Sorry for rambling on, but most of the time an imate escapes its becuase the staff has become lax with security procedures.

OK I'll get off my soapbox now.

[OldSFer]

Sharky,

I just heard the report of one of the escapees being in NYC mentioned on CNBC....It didn't give any details so who knows.

[Sharky]

Don't make much sense to me but I hope you're right. I don't give a damn where they catch em. just as long as they are caught and fried. Every damn one of em. DEAD.

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[RogueExec]

Extra crispy. They break into smaller pieces that way ---- easier storage/disposal.

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