Henley-Putnam University

[FRMRUSMC]

Hey Gents,

I've been eyeing an MS in Terrorism and Counterterrorism Studies with Henley-Putnam University out of CA. Just about everything I can find on the Univ is positive, except the fact that they are not moving toward regional accredition (they are nationally accredited through DETC).

Anyone out there have any positive/negative experience with HPU?

Thanks.

[Who Me ???]

Is spoke with the President on the phone a coupld months back. I had several questions about the curriculum and whether or not the Masters would be accepted in other Universitys.

The President "sounded" like a good guy. I mainly wanted to know if I could test out of any classes in the Close Protection Masters program. I have experience working with the Service as well as other Close Protection gig's and training. He said that you can test out if you pay an upfront fee and register for classes. You would than provid them with a CV/Resume and former or current POC's to verify your exeperience. After reviewing your paperwork they will decide what classes you would be able to receive credit.

You also have the right to challenge classes. If you think that you have the training and expereince to test out of a class you can skip straight to the final project and exam. If you pass you are GTG. On averege if you do the program part time you should finish in about 2 1/2 years and the cost will be about 28k if you don't test out.

[universible]

Anyone interested in some basic student/trainee level info on the school feel free to shoot me a PM (or ask here I guess). I have been in and around the school (in its various stages of development) for over 10 years now.

[HKUSP45]

"Anyone interested in some basic student/trainee level info on the school feel free to shoot me a PM (or ask here I guess). I have been in and around the school (in its various stages of development) for over 10 years now."

Yes, I'd like your info. You can PM me in response, but it might be beneficial to others beyond myself. I'm interested in the credibility of the school, including how its degrees are viewed in the wider intelligence/defense community. I'm looking at the Masters in Intelligence Management program, specifically. Any other info/insight you can give would also be appreciated.

Thanks,

HK

[Silverbullet]

Yes, I'd like your info. You can PM me in response, but it might be beneficial to others beyond myself. I'm interested in the credibility of the school, including how its degrees are viewed in the wider intelligence/defense community. I'm looking at the Masters in Intelligence Management program, specifically. Any other info/insight you can give would also be appreciated.

Thanks,

HK

I have nothing against the school or even first hand info.

That said, I wouldn't choose them first since the RA (regional accreditation)is important. All things being equal there are more than enough schools out there that teach much of the same stuff that are RA.

Just my .02

[CV]

I have nothing against the school or even first hand info.

That said, I wouldn't choose them first since the RA (regional accreditation)is important. All things being equal there are more than enough schools out there that teach much of the same stuff that are RA.

Just my .02

American Military University (amu.apus.edu), for one :D

[HKUSP45]

I have nothing against the school or even first hand info.

That said, I wouldn't choose them first since the RA (regional accreditation)is important. All things being equal there are more than enough schools out there that teach much of the same stuff that are RA.

Just my .02

I completely agree with you. However, other than AMU *throws the obligatory bone to CV* I'm running short in supply of schools that offer such programs online.

I'd also like to get some info from a recruiter as to the prestige of such degrees, such as a ranking system. I'm not asking forproprietary info, but if there are any recruiter or HR-types on this board who work for DIA, CIA, NSA, or even large civilian orgs like BAE on the intel side, that'd be valuable input. I'm already in a gig I love, but I'm always continuing my education.

HK

[universible]

Keep in mind that most of my info is pre-Henley-Putnam, as they just recently changed their name and moved into this new phase for the school. I do know the founder very well, and know how much time and effort has gone into not only the recruiting for instructors, but the coursework and accreditation. With all things, that's all well and good, but if no one pays much mind to a degree from them what does it matter? Right?

I have taken physical training as well as some EP courses at the school and have had nothing but great experiences. I can't say that the EP courses helped me get my current job, but they did help me network.

The intel side is a bit different as I have only spoken with a few of those instructors. If you look around their bios and do some googling you'll see that they are all pretty well respected professionals. Some of them that don't show up in google are still working in the field. In fact, just last week I was looking over the site and found out a college I've worked with at another agency is now teaching at the school.

From what I've heard they are actively pursuing further accreditation, and a lot of this has been a long ass process. So I'm not sure if I am just not understanding the accreditation process and they aren't pursing regional accreditation....

One thing I can't speak on is how much people have gained professionally once they've graduated, nor do I know how many people have gone through their MA programs yet...it can't be too many because the program is rather new.

Just to add, I'm don't work for them, nor do they know I'm posting info about the school. This is just based on my personal experience. I'm passing info along because I know they are good folks who need more exposure.

I'd be more than happy to answer any more specific questions. I could ask that someone from the school post some more detailed info, unless folks want a more unbiased opinion?

[Kiowa5]

Any one have more recent info or updates about Henley Putnam?

[tangodown]

Something I found, maybe of help

http://www.onlinedegreereviews.org/college/henley-putnam-university/intelligence-management-1564/

[0699]

These are the guys I went around & around with at TREXPO a couple of months ago. I kept asking questions about RA & their plans to get it. After a few minutes, the salesman said something along the lines of "then I guess we aren't the school for you..." and turned away from me. Made me think they're going for a very specific part of the market.

And not that it's needed, but +1 on SBs comment. Why go NA when you can get RA elsewhere for the same price?

[trident86]

I'm halfway through a Bachelor's in Counterterrorism with HPU right now (I know, I started all the way back at zero for my upper level credits since nothing else transfers). I've had great experiences with most of the instructors and courses, except for "Introduction to Threat Assessment". I'm writing term papers on Cruise Ship Threat Assessments, the Iranian Shahab-3 Ballistic Missile, whether I think there was WMD in Iraq, etc. So far it's been a phenomenal experience that works really well while I'm sitting in the XO seat an unable to devote much more than weekends toward my coursework. I'll let HPU sort out the accreditation stuff, but I'm more interested in networking with the types of folks who teach or are interested in HPU's INT/CT/PSD focus than in accreditation with other more conventional universities. I will most likely continue on to a MA in CT when I finish my Bachelor's program.

[BrittleHair]

I am looking at a Masters program from either AMU or Henley-Putnam University.

What are the big differences, aside from the fact that AMU offers far more courses at half the cost?

Will a degree from Henley-Putnam be worth the extra money? Is it more credible in some way?

I know neither of these options are particularly prestigious, but they seem like the best choices for someone who can't quit their job in order to attend school.

[Nousdefions794]

Prestigious, right there at Bragg/Pope and they offer it online too:

http://www.webster.edu/gradcatalog/securitymgt.html

[okami1]

I just received some information from HPU about their Bachelor's programs, and am reviewing it now. Can someone explain the difference between regional and national accreditation? All of the info I have been reading seems positive, and I am considering distance education as well, since I am paying my own way. Thoughts appreciated.

[0699]

Go to the website for the Council for Higher Education Accreditation; www.chea.org. They work in conjunction with the DOEd in "accrediting" the regional and national accreditotors. They have some real good information on the subject.

Regional - Accredited by one of six regional agencies. Often called the gold standard because their credits will usually transfer into any other school, major and subject dependent.

National - Accredited by the Distance Education and Training Council (DETC) or other agency (DETC is most common) that usually focuses on a specific area. DETC (obviously) focuses on distance education. Often referred to as the "silver" standard, in that schools accredited by national accreditors will recognize and accept credits from a regionally accredited school, but not vice-versa.

Remember, transfer of credits is not accreditor based, it's school based. Every school has the right to refuse or accept the credits it wants.

The way I look at it, all the schools you ever heard of (LSU, UNC, Harvard, etc) are regionally accredited...

BTW, LSU charges under $80 per credit hour for their DE classes... (www.is.lsu.edu)

[okami1]

I guess the appeal of HPU comes from their very specific focus. I am getting ready to transfer and am interested in learning more about the degrees available in the fields they concentrate on. The rep from HPU with whom I spoke said that one of the benefits of their program was the mentoring and the networking that goes on during your course of study. Admittedly, this is a newer trajectory that I am considering and I don't have that much to go on as of yet. Thanks for the info. Regional accreditation sounds pretty important.

[Magyc]

HPU webinar 12/17:

http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?p=1235048#post1235048

[okami1]

Awesome. Appreciate the info. Will check that out.

[Magyc]

please note what SB posted as the reason for deleting the thread above (sorry SB & all...did not know):

"Reason: The person in question was banned from here last year for inflating his experience and spamming the board. Sorry." Just an FYI on HPU, or at least this character, who represents HPU

[okami1]

Saw that yesterday. Thanks for the heads up.