Storm Moutain, High Risk Personnel I

[ffsparky26]

Hello

Has anyone here taken any training from Storm Moutain? General impressions on the school?

Has anyone taken there High Risk Personnel I course?

On there website they state that it is based on a USMC cirriculum for "High Risk Personnel" and covers pistol, rifle, and tactics. Anyone know anything about the cirriculum? Any opinions on it?



Thanks in advance for your time and input.

[RAT]

From what I understand some groups that are doing the WPPS deal are sending their people there. I have never been to the course but have heard it is great.

RO!!!

[Sharky]

Unless it is Sniper training, I would avoid it. Rodney Ryan's resume was proven long ago to be questionable at best. The only reason I would recommend the Sniper training is that I know the guy who runs the course (Charlie Gentry) personally and can attest that he is good to go.

[RAT]

Unless it is Sniper training, I would avoid it. Rodney Ryan's resume was proven long ago to be questionable at best. The only reason I would recommend the Sniper training is that I know the guy who runs the course (Charlie Gentry) personally and can attest that he is good to go.

That is what I was refering to.

RO!!!

[ffsparky26]

Hmm, so the credentials of the VP of Operations is sketch.

Here is the link to the course information,http://www.stormmountain.com/media/training/HighRiskPersonnelHRPCourse.pdf

I am interested in this course as more of a practical hobby, my job doesn't require these sorts of skills but for what it will cost I want to get good training.

So any reccomendations for a week long carbine/pistol program that would cover the same sort of tactics as covered in the HRP I course? Or reccomendations for a 1 week carbine/pistol course?

Thanks for your guys help.

[KS11]

I went through a "pre-shoot" there before another course. If I remember correctly, the SM instructors didn't really teach, but simply ran the range. I think our guys taught. The facility, as I remember it, was fairly decent though.

[ffsparky26]

So does Storm Mountian not teach solid gun handling and tactics? Or are there instructors not good at instructing?

If somone was not at your skill level would they get something from this school?

Would you send somone here if they needed this skills to save there lives or there own? Would you send somone there who would not need these skills for a life or death situation?


Thanks for all of your help, if any of you other guys (gals too I guess) have an opinion please chime in.

[Sharky]

So does Storm Mountian not teach solid gun handling and tactics? Or are there instructors not good at instructing?

I cant say either way as I have never attended a course there.

If somone was not at your skill level would they get something from this school?

Anybody can get something from every school. We never stop learning. Even if it's what NOT to do.

Would you send somone here if they needed this skills to save there lives or there own?

No.

Would you send somone there who would not need these skills for a life or death situation?

If you are doing this for fun, go for it. For a law enforcement officer, his training can become an issue in court. If the instructor isn't credible, the training can easily be called into question as well. That opens up the department to civil liability. For military guys (and LEO's), their training can mean life or death.

Like I said, if you want to take a Sniper course, I know Charlie Gentry runs their sniper program and he is squared away.

And Rod is the VP of Operations now? LOL, that's a strategic move on his part I'd say. Strange that the guy who once owned the company is now a VP, aint it?

My advice to you would be to go somewhere like Thunder Ranch or Front Sight.

[Silverbullet]

So does Storm Mountian not teach .......

You sound like you really want to attend and are hoping that someone will come along and state they are GTG.

In addition to what info you have already been given, I'll submit that you can tell the worth of a training program by the responses you get in the affirmative. So far you have nothing of substance that speaks for them. This is very telling. For the length of time they have been around it should strike you as odd that there aren't people coming out of the wood work trumpeting their greatness.

The fact that there aren't should tell you more than a 1000 posts stating they are not someone to utilize.

[ffsparky26]

You sound like you really want to attend and are hoping that someone will come along and state they are GTG.

In addition to what info you have already been given, I'll submit that you can tell the worth of a training program by the responses you get in the affirmative. So far you have nothing of substance that speaks for them. This is very telling. For the length of time they have been around it should strike you as odd that there aren't people coming out of the wood work trumpeting their greatness.

The fact that there aren't should tell you more than a 1000 posts stating they are not someone to utilize.

I was worried about coming across like that.

I have posted a similar request for feedback on other boards and haven't gotten back much. I did get back some feedback that Rod has some personality issues.

I was trying to see if the lack of approval for the school is because of Rod being an ass or lack technical merit (to inclued lack of credentials).

It looks like it may be a combination of both, and as you said as long as they have been open you would expect there to be more folks who have trained there.

I am looking at Blackwater 5 day pistol/carbine or a xxxxxxxx Carbine Course. Those are both solid outfits correct?

[Sharky]

FYI-

Here is a timely and pertinent example of how someone's credibility has far reaching implications, especially for the LE community.


http://socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?t=76186

[ffsparky26]

I just noticed in one of my posts that a course I was thinking about taking from a notable trainer whos claim to fame is the MEU SOC Carbine and Pistol Qual Course, time with the NYPD, is not an approved trainer.

Does this imply I should not look into his course? I really thought he was the real deal, damn.

You guys, SOCNET collectively, need to create a list of trainers who claim an association with Special Ops units and have verified credentials, and can teach. Then you wouldn't have as many outsiders like me asking questions.

[Silverbullet]

Spend your money where you want but the person in question has phonied up his resume for yrs. From all reports he teaches a good course but he has not done most of the stuff he claims.

He had zero input on what the old MEU(SOC) qual crse was as well.

[Gsniper]

Sparky-
HRP may not be the course for you. Our HRP course is stress intesnive. If you're looking for a straight handgun/carbine course, this isn't it. Sharky and Silverbullet have given you their opinion of Rod Ryan. There it is. Take it for what it's worth. Love him, hate him. who cares. I teach at StormMountain, and I can tell you, it's a combat oriented, gunfighting school. We don't address legal issues or when to shoot. What we teach is how to win once the decision is made. Here's a deal you can't refuse........Take a course at StormMountain. If you don't feel like you got your money's worth, I'll reimburse your tuition. Sharky knows who I am and how to get in touch with me.

[Silverbullet]

I was not commenting on Rod Ryan. I don't know him.

My response was in regards to ffsparky26 last post.

[Gsniper]

That's cool 'bullet. Just trying to get my 02 in. I work at SMTC. Can't speak for anything prior to when I started in 06, but I can tell ya that currently, we do good stuff up there, but every customer has diffirent needs and opinions. Not trying to take up for Rod, he's a big boy and can fight his own battles. Anyway, it's all good, not trying to bust on ya.

[Silverbullet]

I didn't think you were trying to "bust" on me. If I had my response would have been different.

I was just making sure that my point wasn't confused with what you stated.

[Sharky]

Sharky knows who I am and how to get in touch with me.




Welcome to the board brother.


GSniper is an old friend. No worries.

[LPD43]

Like GSniper stated. SMTC has alot to offer. I have attend their HG III and HRP class in the past. If you want to be a better shooter, including the correct mindset, then you will not be disappointed. If you want a pat on the back and a certificate, then it may not be the right training center for you. Just my .02

[Finger]

There is enough room out there for the spreading of the correct Gunfighting Gospel. Nobody has got the only answer.

That being said, it is good to question if the correct things are being taught and passed on to the current guys doing the job.

If Shark says a man is good, that is pretty good for me. Would like to see a good AAR from there from one of you guys.

I haven't heard much from Storm Mountain since the "Gooch" was out there.

Hello Gsniper and welcome to the boards. Have we met?

OK, back in my retirement chair.

[Gsniper]

Don't know if we've met Finger. Shoot me a PM.

Thanks for the "welcome" to the board.