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This is just coming out now on Fox News....oh the hypocrisy after the way he's gone after the insurance industry and other "big businesses", painting them as corrupt and evil. :rolleyes:
What a twit.
Will post more as it comes through.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336493,00.html
The Corporate Guy
10 March 2008, 15:48
Karma is a bitch.
SgtUSMC8541
10 March 2008, 15:51
From the NY Times...........
Just last week, federal prosecutors arrested four people in connection with an expensive prostitution operation. Administration officials would not say that this was the ring with which the governor had become involved.
But a person with knowledge of the governor’s role said that the person believes the governor is one of the men identified as clients in court papers.
News just breaking: Governor Spitzer is resigning!!!!
RedDawg_03
10 March 2008, 16:02
I love it when the high and mighty, I'm better than everyone else falls...yeah Karma is a bitch. What goes around comes around and bites you in the ass!
He got caught, dig deeper and you'll find many more involved in such acts...
Silverbullet
10 March 2008, 21:16
He got caught, dig deeper and you'll find many more involved in such acts...
So? Why should anyone dig deeper. The subj is Spitzer not a search for some moral equivalent. This isn't about buying a whore.
He is a in a position that required him to swear he would uphold the law. Not only did he break this promise, he has led major prosecutions of prostitution circles in the past.
Additionally the people who run these circles aren't saints and he surely has now come into contact with organized crime or their surrogates.
He broke the law and this on top of his use of State Troopers to investigate rivals show his real persona. It is all about ego and power. Laws are for those he was able to demonize while AG and for his subjects while Gov.
He's a POS.
Greenhat
10 March 2008, 21:39
He broke the law and this on top of his use of State Troopers to investigate rivals show his real persona. It is all about ego and power. Laws are for those he was able to demonize while AG and for his subjects while Gov.
He's a POS.
Man, that could apply to so many politicians... :D
Finger
10 March 2008, 21:43
The club's Web site shows a fee schedule of $1,000 per hour for a three-diamond prostitute and $3,100 per hour for a seven-diamond prostitute. Members of the exclusive Icon Club could reach restricted areas of the Web site and schedule appointments with the highest prostitutes, whose fees started at $5,500 per hour, the press release reads.
Must be some gold lined stuff :D
Inspector Cluseo
10 March 2008, 21:43
He is a POS - that is all the description needed and his wife stood by his side-what a fuck for even allowing her.
Hot Mess
10 March 2008, 22:10
So? Why should anyone dig deeper. The subj is Spitzer not a search for some moral equivalent. This isn't about buying a whore.
He is a in a position that required him to swear he would uphold the law. Not only did he break this promise, he has led major prosecutions of prostitution circles in the past.
Additionally the people who run these circles aren't saints and he surely has now come into contact with organized crime or their surrogates.
He broke the law and this on top of his use of State Troopers to investigate rivals show his real persona. It is all about ego and power. Laws are for those he was able to demonize while AG and for his subjects while Gov.
He's a POS.
But what if there are other people who took an oath and broke their promise? Should they get a "free ride" because the figure head is Spitzer? Yes, he abused his power and he is a POS. Not to mention over priced:D But if anyone else in his cabinet or other government official is guilty the public should know, and they should be tried as well. In addition, I find it hard to believe he did not have help from people in his circle. At those prices we all know who he was catering to, the wealthy and affluent.
and his wife stood by his side-what a fuck for even allowing her.
The wives always do...! And why?? If the situation was reversed, I wonder how many husbands would stand up there with their wives, wearing a frozen smile and drowning in humiliation.
t10Guy
10 March 2008, 22:18
$1000 an hour... damn. but with $3100 an hour girls... I gotta know, whats the difference? it better be more than looks!
If they'd just legalize it then there wouldn't be a problem here. No law broken, no hypocricy.
$3100 an hour? What in the fuck could happen in an hour worth $3100? I might pay $3100 an hour to drive an F-1 car, IF I were a millionaire.
Silverbullet
10 March 2008, 22:31
But what if there are other people who took an oath and broke their promise? Should they get a "free ride" because the figure head is Spitzer? Yes, he abused his power and he is a POS. Not to mention over priced:D But if anyone else in his cabinet or other government official is guilty the public should know, and they should be tried as well. In addition, I find it hard to believe he did not have help from people in his circle. At those prices we all know who he was catering to, the wealthy and affluent.
I'm sure they'll get to those others but how relevant is to this thread? He's client #9, ID'ed in a Federal probe. The Feds haven't made anything public, yet.
He knew the info was going to break soon so he attempted to get out ahead of it. Maybe client1-8 and 10-infinity didn't feel the need to get out ahead of it like he did....
Following this it appears that he was the one that led investigators to the ring not vice a versa. It appears he was being probed for bribes and the pattern and amount of funds he drew on a certain account led the investigators to the ho's.
Inspector Cluseo
10 March 2008, 22:37
from my limited information
that is exactly it. He is a criminal (admitted) but is now one of the "rats" he so despised but helped him make cases.....it all comes around..in this case. But whom would expect less of a guy that would haul his wife out for that kind a shite.
JRB11
10 March 2008, 23:19
personally, I find it refreshing to find a politician who was caught having sex with someone of the opposite sex.
Spinner
10 March 2008, 23:28
Looks like there was a "Client-10" either from Chicago, or making a stopover.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-emperors-club-chicagomar11,0,48734.story
Maybe this was some kind of call girl collective set up by and for politicians, probably marketed as being "totally discreet".
The Emporor's Club. How original...
C-M-R
10 March 2008, 23:32
The wives always do...! And why??
I don't know why any other wife would "stand by her man" but I can tell you why I would. Because he's a rotten son of a bitch and I need more than one news cycle to make him Honest to God, Come to Jesus, fetal position sorry for getting caught and making me look like a victim.
Cheating is so easy to get away with that the dumbest of men go years with girlfriends and never get caught. It would piss me off to be married to somebody dumber than one of my idiot brothers. I'd stay long enough to insure he understood just how pissed off I really was at his stupidity.
That's my reason. Hillary Clinton and Mrs Spitzer probably had/have other reasons. ;)
The thread is worthless without photographs!
I want to see the seven diamond women!
Parajuevos
10 March 2008, 23:45
Like some of the others have stated, it puzzles me that the wives of these assholes humiliate themselves, by standing by their sides, while they make their insincere apologies and whine about how they "let their families and constituents down" and are "disappointed in themselves" for not remembering to live up to their own high standards.
The fact is that people like Spitzer have no standards. Standards are for the other guy, who Spitzer and his type are more than willing to prosecute, in order to further their political ambitions, while portraying themselves as moral crusaders.
He's a self righteous, pompous ass, who deserves anything that comes his way.
rubberneck
11 March 2008, 00:10
$3100 an hour? What in the fuck could happen in an hour worth $3100? I might pay $3100 an hour to drive an F-1 car, IF I were a millionaire.
Would you bone a super model for $5? Spitzer is the heir to a large real estate fortune. $5500 dollars to him is like $1 to you and me. I guess he figured at those hourly rates they were going to be discreet and the money is irrelevant. I guess he guessed wrong. He is such a nasty douche, who didn't hesitate to ruin someone else's life for personal gain that I am quite enjoying his fall. I hope it hurts when he lands.
eltrane
11 March 2008, 00:16
Maybe AngryBob can hire the expensive chicks for his handy'man' service. I would think they are looking for new jobs now.
Dark Helmet
11 March 2008, 00:45
Elliott Spitter has destroyed millions of dollars of market capitalization in our industry, and brought a once-great company that I used to work for literally to its knees (stock price from ~$94/share to current ~$24/share).
Fuck him.
JRB11
11 March 2008, 01:20
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/emperors-club-all-about-_n_90768.html
Scroll down the page and see what 5000K will buy ya.
Elliott Spitter has destroyed millions of dollars of market capitalization in our industry, and brought a once-great company that I used to work for literally to its knees (stock price from ~$94/share to current ~$24/share).
Fuck him.
There are many in our industry, Dark Helmet, that feel exactly that same way. He will get no sympathy from the insurance industry.
If they'd just legalize it then there wouldn't be a problem here. No law broken, no hypocricy.
$3100 an hour? What in the fuck could happen in an hour worth $3100? I might pay $3100 an hour to drive an F-1 car, IF I were a millionaire.
Prostitution IS legal. What do you think you're spending your money on when you buy dinner, drinks, a new pair of shoes, a Valentine's gift, etc?
As far as Spitzer goes, I HATE people who think the rules/laws are for "everyone else". Fuck him. Although, what's the worst that'll happen to him? He has money, so he can wiggle his way out of it. As far as ruining his political career... He has money, right? He'll go cry about it while sipping mojitos on his yacht.
His "wife" isn't a normal wife; she's another sleazy slip 'n' fall lawyer from Harvard, just as he is. She knew what she was signing on for when she married this turd, so fuck her and feed her hotdogs, too. His daughters are the ones deserving of sympathy here.
In addition to fucking up Dark Helmet's industry, this retard also tried to bankrupt the gun manufacturers and was a leading figure in the effort to screw "big burger" because his welfare constituency couldn't exercise self-control.
I'll bet Mrs. Spitzer is wondering whether she should have divorced her first husband, a globalist stooge, after 29 days now...:o
Reading the comments on the Huffinton page is amusing,
"The real scandal is that these models seem a little ovepriced. We've seen homes being over-valued and now it's the prostitutes! Yeah, they are hot -- but not $10,000 an hour worth of hot. Unless their gold medalists or somehow triple jointed, then I'm not seeing the added value.
And nobody is talking about how these models are driving up the cost of starter/entry level prostitutes throughout the country! Middle income Johns are being priced out of the market.
Ultimately I think this scandal is for the best. The prostitution market has needed a healthy market correction for a long time now."
MixedLoad
11 March 2008, 03:13
personally, I find it refreshing to find a politician who was caught having sex with someone of the opposite sex.
True. The last one was old Wild Bill and he didn't technically have sex with that woman ...*Pause as he goes through the Rolodex of staffers and interns*...ummm...Monica Lewinski! :D
And btw, I love seeing these hypocrites get hemmed up on national TV. It's just what they need. Of course the victims are the families who now are the running joke everywhere they go.
Massgrunt
11 March 2008, 04:10
If nothing else, he made himself subject to coercion in a big, big way. Whoever ran these girls had the governor of New York by the short hairs for who knows how long.
I love it when total hypocrite, holier than thou types show their true colors.
Oh, and:
To borrow from this Hit & Run comment, I nominate the following for tomorrow’s NY Post headline: “Prostitute Admits Link to Elliott Spitzer; Resigns From Escort Service in Disgrace”
Bravo Five Romeo
11 March 2008, 04:11
Would you bone a super model for $5? Spitzer is the heir to a large real estate fortune. $5500 dollars to him is like $1 to you and me. I guess he figured at those hourly rates they were going to be discreet and the money is irrelevant. I guess he guessed wrong. He is such a nasty douche, who didn't hesitate to ruin someone else's life for personal gain that I am quite enjoying his fall. I hope it hurts when he lands.
Bingo. It's all relative.
Back in the late 80's, B movie actress Brigitte Nielsen used to prostitute herself to a few princes in Dubai or Qatar for a cool one million dollars for a whole weekend... plus expenses and gifts. This is, of course, back when she looked good. It's all relative. These guys were multibillionaires so that kind of money was nothing. That would be like a normal Joe spending ten bucks.
Hypothetical:
Would you pay ten bucks to have some blonde busty moviestar as your sex slave for a full weekend?
http://www.leninimports.com/brigitte_nielsen_gallery_18.jpg
Would I spend 10 bucks to bang Red Sonja??? Uh, no comment...
Bingo. It's all relative.
Back in the late 80's, B movie actress Brigitte Nielsen used to prostitute herself to a few princes in Dubai or Qatar for a cool one million dollars for a whole weekend (:eek: )... plus expenses and gifts. This is, of course, back when she looked good. It's all relative. These guys were multibillionaires so that kind of money was nothing. That would be like a normal Joe spending ten bucks.
Hypothetical:
Would you pay ten bucks to have some blonde busty moviestar as your sex slave for a full weekend?
Hell, that's just good business sense!
terrible tim
11 March 2008, 08:59
I s'pose he could pull out the Pete Townshend defense, "But...But...I was conducting my own, personal investigation." Worked for chomo Pete.
ET1/ss nuke
11 March 2008, 09:27
At the rates he's paying, he'd come off cheaper to become a Mormon fundamentalist and marry three or four of them and get it over with.
Reading the comments on the Huffinton page is amusing,
"The real scandal is that these models seem a little ovepriced. We've seen homes being over-valued and now it's the prostitutes! Yeah, they are hot -- but not $10,000 an hour worth of hot. Unless their gold medalists or somehow triple jointed, then I'm not seeing the added value.
And nobody is talking about how these models are driving up the cost of starter/entry level prostitutes throughout the country! Middle income Johns are being priced out of the market.
Ultimately I think this scandal is for the best. The prostitution market has needed a healthy market correction for a long time now."
If you read the bios of these women, most are highly educated, have intellectual interests as well as "normal" hobbies (i.e. climbing, scuba diving, etc.). I think the "priceness" is that these dumbasses get to be with a woman that is far beyond their normal reach. :D :D
Bravo Five Romeo
11 March 2008, 10:52
I s'pose he could pull out the Pete Townshend defense, "But...But...I was conducting my own, personal investigation." Worked for chomo Pete.
Slight hijack.
One of my favorite satirical headlines from THE ONION was after Pete Townsend was busted.
The headline simply read...
"Pete Townsend: Can't Explain"
If you don't get that, you're too young and need to go buy some WHO records.
SIG 229
11 March 2008, 11:03
Elliott Spitter has destroyed millions of dollars of market capitalization in our industry, and brought a once-great company that I used to work for literally to its knees (stock price from ~$94/share to current ~$24/share).
Fuck him.
DH, I couldn't agree more. His personal agenda and attacks on the investment world did so much damage to the industry. We'll be feeling it for years to come.
As my friend from a MAJOR investment firm, hurt by Spitzer, said..."Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy!"
NY POST HEADLINE: "HO NO"
The Fat Guy
11 March 2008, 11:23
But what if there are other people who took an oath and broke their promise? Should they get a "free ride" because the figure head is Spitzer? Yes, he abused his power and he is a POS. Not to mention over priced:D But if anyone else in his cabinet or other government official is guilty the public should know, and they should be tried as well. In addition, I find it hard to believe he did not have help from people in his circle. At those prices we all know who he was catering to, the wealthy and affluent.
Spitzer is a self-serving rat.
He will sing about all of his fellow "Emperors" when they threaten him with jail time in a small cell with a man known only as "Buck". The Guerrilla fights a patient war.
fast eddie sends
Jesus, Someone stop me before I pull a muscle...
I'd stay long enough to insure he understood just how pissed off I really was at his stupidity.
See, if that were me, I'd be holding my own press conference, with divorce lawyers in tow. He'd get screwed for a whole lot more than $3,000. But then again, I'm Irish and Italian; I get mad AND even. ;)
This isn't just about cheating. and goes beyond him getting an itch scratched. This is arrogant behavior at its finest. There's collateral damage to innocent people; friends, and other family members. It's forcing children to live with a shame they didn't create. They should not be held accountable for a selfish egotist’s action. And this holds true for women who do the same to their husbands. I'm an equal opportunity loather.
It always boils down to a person’s character.
JMHO
~k...
David Paterson must be shitting himself. He was being touted as a possible US Senate replacement for Billary if she won the presidency (or maybe even if she only got the Dem nomination?). Now he gets what I consider an even better automatic promotion.
Seems like a good guy from what little I know about him. Better guy than Spitzer at any rate.
Any discenting opinions from the better informed?
Also, Spitzer was a superdelegate. Was that tied to the office of the Governor or is it something he'll hold on to after resigning?
Could change the ballance of the Democratic nominating process.
Greenhat
11 March 2008, 11:57
Soot?
Wow. Haven't seen you in ages.
What is this country coming to when a Gov of one of our largest states cannot get the pussy for free?
Greenhat
11 March 2008, 12:06
What is this country coming to when a Gov of one of our largest states cannot get the pussy for free?
With men like this going the professional route, why are you out of work? :D
Elliott Spitter has destroyed millions of dollars of market capitalization in our industry, and brought a once-great company that I used to work for literally to its knees (stock price from ~$94/share to current ~$24/share).
Fuck him.
When the news of Spitzer's confession reached the NYSE, it was received with a standing ovation! :D
See, if that were me, I'd be holding my own press conference, with divorce lawyers in tow. He'd get screwed for a whole lot more than $3,000. But then again, I'm Irish and Italian; I get mad AND even. ;)
So that whole "for better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, 'till death us do part" thing doesn't mean squat?
Just curious.
"for better or worse" seems to pretty much encompass anything that comes your way in a marriage doesn't it?
So that whole "for better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, 'till death us do part" thing doesn't mean squat?
Just curious.
"for better or worse" seems to pretty much encompass anything that comes your way in a marriage doesn't it?My wife damn sure would NOT have stood there like a dummy!
Stay safe.
My wife damn sure would NOT have stood there like a dummy!
Stay safe.
Her and me too!
And if the situation was reversed - if the woman was in the hot seat - do you think that a man would 'stand by his wife'! :eek:
rubberneck
11 March 2008, 13:10
So that whole "for better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, 'till death us do part" thing doesn't mean squat?
Just curious.
"for better or worse" seems to pretty much encompass anything that comes your way in a marriage doesn't it?
Most wedding vows also require that you be faithful to your spouse. If he can't honor his end of the deal why should she? I wouldn't allow myself to be used as a political prop. YMMV.
The dress code for this sort of event must be in Miss Manners. :D
5813
JRB11
11 March 2008, 13:30
http://www.tmz.com/2007/10/08/village-people-and-sen-craig-a-real-toe-tapper/
Don't know if this was on here before, but it's pretty good. Should be a Spitzer version out soon.
Her and me too!
And if the situation was reversed - if the woman was in the hot seat - do you think that a man would 'stand by his wife'! :eek:How much she is worth$$$$$$
LMAO!:D
Stay safe.
How much she is worth$$$$$$
LMAO!:D
Stay safe.
:eek: :D
LOL!
Silverbullet
11 March 2008, 14:18
So that whole "for better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, 'till death us do part" thing doesn't mean squat?
Just curious.
"for better or worse" seems to pretty much encompass anything that comes your way in a marriage doesn't it?
For better or worse refers to the normal ups and downs of a marriage. It doesn't refer to "for better or you're screwing a whore"
For better or worse refers to the normal ups and downs of a marriage. It doesn't refer to "for better or you're screwing a whore"
Exactly!
KidA, not to insult, but I'm going to guess you've never been married? There's an expectation of trust that goes along with the vows. There are marriages that can survive a person being unfaithful, then there are these situations where it's blatant disregard or disrespect for the spouse. And if you've got children, their health and welfare become paramount over the marital image. What kind of an example are you setting for those children by staying with a person who behaves so badly?
Alcoholism is an illness. In the event an alcoholic beats his wife, or vise versa, does that fall under the heading of "in sickness and in health, till death...?" Because I've seen many instances where the sickness caused the death.
Again, just my opinion.
"for better or worse" seems to pretty much encompass anything that comes your way in a marriage doesn't it?Hmm: Spousal abuse Incestuous abuse of the children Gambling addiction resulting in loss of the home or college funds of the children Drug abuse Refusing to work Refusing to fuck Adultery (even neater when accompanied by STD transmissions) Riding euro-trash 2-wheelers :DSo you think that "marriage" is supposed to bind the other party to someone who flat-out is an assclown?
Do you buy your shit-stirring sticks in bulk, or do you receive some other form of discount?
"....a whore"OK, now I want to take a moment and hijack this thread.:D
"Whore" is such a poorly-utilized word in the US. It almost immediately brings to mind "nasty" or " filthy" or even "bad". When in all reality, a properly motivated and squared-away prostitute is quite a cool thing indeed.
For those chomping at the bit to flame -- please do. I could give a fuck.
The chick in the govt's complaint had a great attitude -- she knew her job/role and had no illusions of what she was there for. I imagine that she may have even been quite adept at her service (for that kind of money, I would hope so). I personally have ZERO complaints that there are gals that strip, do porn, or hook. And I have paid for the services of all three categories. Hell, I STILL purchase the services of at least two of those categories (1 and 3) for clients and for influencing people.
Bottom line, hookers are nice people too....:D:D
The dress code for this sort of event must be in Miss Manners. :D
5813
LMFAO....
That is classic.
RO!!!
Do you buy your shit-stirring sticks in bulk, or do you receive some other form of discount?
I'm just curious what constitutes "for better or for worse" and "'till death"
We're a board comprised of people who take oaths seriously after all...
We're a board comprised of people who take oaths seriously after all...We're also a board made up of people with functioning brain cells....:)
If someone breaks their "oath" (read implied contract) to you...I would say that releases you from your obligation.
I agree with others...better or worse means being sick, being poor or rich, etc. not deliberate or intentional harm -- i.e. abuse (physical or emotional), adultery, etc.
Bottom line, hookers are nice people too....:D:D
I agree... NOT that you GAF. :D
RO!!!
Hell, I STILL purchase the services of at least two of those categories (1 and 3) for clients and for influencing people.Stay safe.
Pickpocket
11 March 2008, 16:06
Riding euro-trash 2-wheelers :D
Nice, fast, and under the radar...
@ KidA - Since the oath of marriage is a reciprocal agreement, one person pissing all over it pretty much seals the deal as to whether or not he/she is truly committed; bringing into question the validity of the oath in the first place as well as the second party's interests in maintaining it further.
The promise is "for better or for worse" - not "no matter what you do to me".....
Ole crusty bastard
11 March 2008, 16:34
This incident reinforces my reasoning for buying the wife a very small caliber handgun. If it had been me who was caught doing this, my wife would of reloaded several times on my ass.
ET1/ss nuke
11 March 2008, 16:49
I guess I am in the minority in that I take my marriage vows seriously.
To me, not only do my vows mean exactly what I said, but I made that statement first, before she took her vows. My vows were not conditional upon hers. I made a commitment to her and God before she had said one word about her own vows. If she were the kind of person to do something so egregious that I could not fathom forgiving her, then I would still be at fault for being stupid enough to marry her in the first place. That's why I believe in long engagements to get to know the person as well as possible before marriage. That's also why I am sometimes reluctant to believe the promises of people who are divorced, because they have already found some reason that they feel justifies breaking the most important promise they ever made to the person they loved the most. There are exceptions, of course, because people mature and may learn from their mistakes.
KidA mentioned that this is a board for people to take their oaths seriously, I assume referring to that enlistment oath in which we all promised to defend our nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Consider the situation of the southern-born US Army officers when their home states seceded in 1861. Fulfilling their oath to the USA would put them in arms against their own families in the CSA. Siding with their families in the CSA would require them to break their oaths in a time when oaths were taken much more seriously than today (there was almost no divorce allowed, prisoners were paroled on their oath to not take up arms again, unwritten handshake contracts were a normal business practice, etc.).
To run KidA's point off a cliff, would you trust someone who had just deserted from a foreign army in the middle of a battle to join your army, take an oath of allegiance to your country, and be your commanding officer in the next battle? If not, then why would you trust a divorced person enough to marry them?
That ought to stir the pot for a while, so I'll submerge again.
Bravo Five Romeo
11 March 2008, 16:58
... then why would you trust a divorced person enough to marry them?
Depends on the reason for the divorce.
All too often, many women seek divorce because they are unhappy and look at the change of lifestyle as a quick fix. I see that as a sign of weakness and inability to commit to a marriage.
That is not the type of woman I could be with.
Some women, however, wind up divorced because they married shitheels who were either abusive or unfaithful.
Falling in love with the wrong guy is not something I could fault a woman for.
AngryBob
11 March 2008, 17:12
Maybe AngryBob can hire the expensive chicks for his handy'man' service. I would think they are looking for new jobs now.
Don't drag "Angrybob's Topless House Hands" into this smut. I intend to have a respectable service for the discriminating male. We don't do politicians, we support the "gray man"!
If not, then why would you trust a divorced person enough to marry them?Marriage is an institution that as a concept, has outlived it's original intent -- or at least that is MY opinion.
2000 years ago, people getting married were going to live 20-40 years and then kick the bucket -- leaving no problem fullfilling that whole "death until you part" stuff. In fact, according to THE GRAPH ON PAGE 6 (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_14.pdf), only 60% of Americans were living to age 50 at the turn of last century, when only 50 years later more than 90% were living to 50 years of age. As such, SOCIETY way back then (not a heavenly deity) figured that to keep the peace and dudes from doing the whole harem/brood/herd thing and the conflict of young males fighting for chicks -- declared man/woman as monogamous and once married not allowed to partake of anyone else as the right plan. Said plan is outdated and unrealistic.
Add into this that since those two millenniums (did I use that word right?), mankind has evolved sufficiently that women no longer need to "depend" upon men to survive -- and having to cowtow to some bully fucker who beats her is not at all realistic, or in many cases, accepted.
So there you have it -- marriage is a silly concept to try and drag mindsets from thousands of years ago into today's world. And as a card-carrying deity -- I have the credibility to make this statement.
Don't argue or I'll smite your ass....:D
mdb23
11 March 2008, 17:20
So there you have it -- marriage is a silly concept to try and drag mindsets from thousands of years ago into today's world.
So why did you get married?:D
So why did you get married?:DWhich one -- before or after my divorce?:D
mdb23
11 March 2008, 17:26
Which one -- before or after my divorce?:D
You know what I'm asking...... if it's such an outdated concept, why do you keep engaging in it?:D
I love picking on deities.
Doc P
11 March 2008, 17:30
He's a POS.
That says is all.
Depends on the reason for the divorce.
All too often, many women seek divorce because they are unhappy and look at the change of lifestyle as a quick fix. I see that as a sign of weakness and inability to commit to a marriage.
Substitute 'people' for 'women' in your statement and I'll agree with you.
SOTB, I have a candle burning on your alter right now - please don't smite me! :D
Depends on the reason for the divorce.
All too often, many women seek divorce because they are unhappy and look at the change of lifestyle as a quick fix. I see that as a sign of weakness and inability to commit to a marriage.
That is not the type of woman I could be with.
Some women, however, wind up divorced because they married shitheels who were either abusive or unfaithful.
Falling in love with the wrong guy is not something I could fault a woman for.
ITA. Very well said.
ET1/ss, I would say many of us take the vows very seriously…and by choice. As SOTB pointed out, it’s not a necessity anymore. It’s a choice men and women freely enter into, and hopefully with good faith. That’s what makes Shitzer's behavior all the more offensive. He chose to behave badly, and his wife can choose to stay with him and enable that behavior, or she can move on.
C-M-R
11 March 2008, 17:45
I'm just curious what constitutes "for better or for worse" and "'till death"
We're a board comprised of people who take oaths seriously after all...
And that oath in marriage also says something along the lines of "forsaking all others and cleaving to the one."
As far as I'm concerned that means you don't get to pop your peepee into a prostitute.
C-M-R
11 March 2008, 17:51
So there you have it -- marriage is a silly concept to try and drag mindsets from thousands of years ago into today's world. And as a card-carrying deity -- I have the credibility to make this statement.
Don't argue or I'll smite your ass....:D
I'll agree you are a deity or as least get God's name used in front of yours on a regualr basis. Ass smiting is disallowed, however.
Marriage is a safety net for both sides, if you ask me. I like the institution so much I've comitted myself to the damn place three times.
Smite your ass, G'dam SOTB you crack me up.
JRB11
11 March 2008, 18:51
To run KidA's point off a cliff, would you trust someone who had just deserted from a foreign army in the middle of a battle to join your army, take an oath of allegiance to your country
If thats the case, maybe we better rethink the strategy of arming the Sunni's.
I've been with my wife 24 years, and take it seriously, warts and all, but people change, situations change, etc. I've seen situations similar to Spitzers where the couple stayed together, but doubt thats the norm. To each his/her own. I wouldn't equate it to an enlistment or "normal" contract, more an emotional one.
magician
11 March 2008, 19:02
Add into this that since those two millenniums (did I use that word right?)
The term "millennium" can be singular or plural as written, or you can pluralize it as "millennia." Your choice.
:)
As for the monster hypocrite Eliot Spitzer.... I cite the following excerpt from a press account. I can no longer find the original source. My regrets.
In a interview two years ago, Spitzer, then-attorney general, told ABC News he had some advice for people who break the law. "Never talk when you can nod, and never nod when you can wink, and never write an e-mail because it's death. You're giving prosecutors all the evidence we need," he said.
(Governor Eliot Spitzer, disgraced for hiring a 5' 5" 105-lb brunette for an assignation in room 871 at the Mayflower Hotel under the pseudonym "George Fox.")
My question is, since "George Fox" is an actual person, who is a personal friend of Spitzer's, and a campaign donor to Spitzer's campaigns, was Spitzer attempting to throw hounds off the hunt by using his buddy's name?
Great tradecraft, numbnuts.
rgrjoe175
11 March 2008, 19:10
OK, now I want to take a moment and hijack this thread.:D
"Bottom line, hookers are nice people too....:D:D
Yes they are and are human beings and deserve the same respect as anyone else.
Gotta love hookers too.
JP
Bravo Five Romeo
11 March 2008, 19:21
Substitute 'people' for 'women' in your statement and I'll agree with you.Actually, I am very specific with choosing "women" for that statement... though, yes, men are guilty of it too.
Allow me to explain...
Our society has some strange values when it comes to commitment to marriage.
Let me use an example of a marriage that ends for no real reason other than one party is no longer interested.
A woman sits around with her friends and announces she is unhappy with her life and her marriage. Her husband is a decent man but she just feels stifled and wants to make a change in her life and move forward so she has decided to divorce him.
She would be considered a woman taking charge of her life and her decision would be greeted by a chorus of "you go girl!" from her friends.
If this were a man deciding to divorce his loyal wife just because he was unhappy in his life, he would be a shitheel.
In my opinion, they're both shitheels.
My point?
Not only is divorce socialy acceptable, but it is almost socially encouraged for women wanting to empower themselves.
Look at movies like "The Good Girl" or "Thelma and Louise" where married women run from their marriages and have affairs with younger men. hese are empowering films. If I made a male equivalent of "The Good Girl" and had the lead character, instead be a husband who cheats on his wife with a teenage girl just because he was bored... audiences would be outraged.
To specificly respond to your comment...
I don't believe divorce should be a quick fix to life's problems and you're right... both men and women are guilty of that.
But it is women who are socially encouraged to divorce, almost as if to try and make a marriage work through the difficult times is a step backward for her as a woman.
Not only is divorce socialy acceptable, but it is almost socially encouraged for women wanting to empower themselves.
Look at movies like "The Good Girl" or "Thelma and Louise" where married women run from their marriages and have affairs with younger men.
I realize you're generalizing here, but PLEASE don't assume all women enjoyed, bought into, or condoned these movies. I was happy Thelma & Louise drove over the cliff because they were too stupid to live.
As for the "empowerment" regarding divorce; I believe it's coming from women now being able to leave an unhappy marriage, where at one time they couldn't because of either no job security and visible means of support, or divorce laws that were in favor of the man.
Until women hit the work force as a career and not a hobby, men were doing most of the fooling around on the side. They were getting emotional and physical needs met that they were not getting at home. Women stayed home and took solace in food or drink. Now [some] women are out there behaving as men.
The times we live in also encourage the disposable mentality. Everyone believes life is too short to live an unhappy life. Women can literally support themselves, have children alone, and live a happy, full life, void of men. Personally, that's not for me, but many do it - and do it every day.
For decades polls have shown the happiest women are single, while the happiest men are married. Makes you wonder why...
Bravo Five Romeo
11 March 2008, 19:55
I realize you're generalizing here, but PLEASE don't assume all women enjoyed, bought into, or condoned these movies.
I don't believe all women think that way. I hope my comments didn't suggest that. But I do believe it is more socially acceptable for a woman to abandon her marriage than a man.
B5R - I see your point and agree with you, but I think you need to go a little further. IMHO, you statements could very well apply to some women that don't have children. Women with children, especially if the kids are young, don't just throw away their marriage on a whim. There must be something really bad going on if she wants to leave the security of marriage to be on her own with kids to raise. Even with child support (if the guy pays) she still has 90% responsibility for the kid's day to day care and needs. It's not easy. $.02
IMHO, you statements could very well apply to some women that don't have children. Women with children, especially if the kids are young, don't just throw away their marriage on a whim. There must be something really bad going on if she wants to leave the security of marriage to be on her own with kids to raise. Even with child support (if the guy pays) she still has 90% responsibility for the kid's day to day care and needs. It's not easy. $.02
Exactly...
And Bravo Five Romeo; no worries. I just wanted to clarify that we're all not of that mindset.
It's not balanced. The man is still considered the "provider," and is viewed as abandoning the family. It might be socially more acceptable for the woman, provided she doesn’t walk away from the kids. Then she's the one doing the abandoning.
....if it's such an outdated concept, why do you keep engaging in it?Perhaps my statement was missing a comma or something. My point is meant to state that the original concept of marriage -- with regards to the whole "death do us part" shit, is incompatible or at the least not acceptable by a growing part of today's society. As such, the changing of partners (spouses) is to be expected as men and women live longer (and simply get tired of the fuck lying next to them at night). And then I stated very pointedly, that women's disadvantage from previous eras was no longer the case -- as in their "needing" to remain married even under not very nice conditions.
IMO, this is NOT a bad thing at all. In fact, it is just an adaption of capitalistic practices upon the institution. How so? Well, if one wants the significant other to remain in the marriage, that person will have to constantly demonstrate that there is reason to do so. This may reflect in gals not being able to consider BJs a thing of the past after walking to the altar and having to keep their heads out of the fridge, and guys might have to think seriously about remembering important dates and practice spontaneity in their romantic overtures. Again, not a bad thing at all.
I personally choose to do the marriage thing because a) I don't relish the idea of dating and do like the idea of constant companionship, b) I like the idea of family -- to include children that both can raise, c) I still have the misconception that marriage means easy sex -- this last one is completely my fault, as I KNOW BETTER.SOTB, I have a candle burning on your alter right now - please don't smite me!Thou art blessed, my child. Now go forth and spread my word to yon multitude of NYC bi-sexual HOT chicks.:DAss smiting is disallowed, however.I'm finding that more and more gals are into "ass smiting." Personally, I think it is kinda GAY, but I suppose there has to be different strokes for different folks. I admit to it sorta being fun in the preparatory stages of "intimate encounters" (once in awhile -- just as is tickling), but once in the middle of the real thing, its not for me.
Finally, I see and agree with B5R's point. But I also think that it goes back to the capitalistic approach to marriage and the whole idea of us simply being "happy." If one wants the other to hang around, then that person needs to work at it, and not simply fall back on "till death do us part"....
Doc P
11 March 2008, 21:19
I guess I am in the minority in that I take my marriage vows seriously.
Then consider the minority you are in +1, because I also believe in them, follow them, and will not break them.
Soot?
Wow. Haven't seen you in ages.
Been going to school full time. The fancy book learnin' is cutting into my goofing-off-on-the-Internet time.
How are you sir?
Hope all is well.
Purple36
11 March 2008, 22:20
We're also a board made up of people with functioning brain cells....:)
Well.........some have functioning brain cells, others..not so much.
smp52
11 March 2008, 22:43
And then I stated very pointedly, that women's disadvantage from previous eras was no longer the case -- as in their "needing" to remain married even under not very nice conditions.
A woman's ability to control pregnancy via birth control is what many attribute as a major factor to the altered dynamics within society.
Robin Baker's Sperm Wars is a very, very good book that details male, female relationships from an evolutionary biology perspective and backs it up with data (He originally wrote a scientific book, but not surprisingly, people found it boring. This book is its layman's companion). It's another source in helping us understand strategies employed by different men and women in ensuring genetic advantage (the most marketed data point from the book is 10-15% of children born in a stable marriage aren't of the 'father' from a macroscopic standpoint, some women want the genes from one male, while the security/stability from another).
Marriage is one such strategy that was, and still is for the majority the most advantageous way. Depending on personality and genetic traits, there are others who take altered approaches, each with their own associated risk factors (such as rape, bisexuality, prostitution, etc.). But as society moves forward and you correctly state, women are more free to make their own decisions resulting in a more competitive environment for both, not just men.
Sperm Wars is a straight forward and interesting read. It covers a lot of ground.
Parajuevos
11 March 2008, 23:04
So that whole "for better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, 'till death us do part" thing doesn't mean squat?
Just curious.
"for better or worse" seems to pretty much encompass anything that comes your way in a marriage doesn't it?
If you want to play around fine; just don't get married. No one has the right to promise another human being complete loyalty and devotion and then destroy that person by stepping out.
I look upon my marriage as a sacred union. My wife has devoted her life to me and to the wonderful family that she has given me. I would never betray the trust that she has in me.
Maybe, if you're as fortunate as I am someday, you'll find the right gal.Then maybe you'll understand why your interpretation of "for better or worse" doesn't apply to cheating.
And that oath in marriage also says something along the lines of "forsaking all others and cleaving to the one."
As far as I'm concerned that means you don't get to pop your peepee into a prostitute.
It does mean you don't get to, but doesn't "until death" pretty much trump everything else?
Remington Raider
12 March 2008, 01:08
Add into this that since those two millenniums (did I use that word right?)
You also could have used millenia.
and having to cowtow to some bully fucker who beats her is not at all realistic, or in many cases, accepted.So there you have it -- marriage is a silly concept to try and drag mindsets from thousands of years ago into today's world. And as a card-carrying deity -- I have the credibility to make this statement.Don't argue or I'll smite your ass....:D
I believe it is kow-tow.:D
Standing by for IMPACT!
C-M-R
12 March 2008, 01:24
It does mean you don't get to, but doesn't "until death" pretty much trump everything else?
In my mind it does but then I tell Chuck on a regular basis that we agreed to that death do us part thing, therefore; one of us isn't get out of the marriage alive. I happen to be the only one in this marriage with 3 widowed aunts and a widowed mother. :p
Johan
12 March 2008, 08:41
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2008/03/amid-charges-of.html
Amid Charges of Spitzer Tryst, Embattled Prostitute "Kristen" Expected to Resign
New York - At a hastily scheduled morning press conference at the headquarters of New York's exclusive Emperors Club prostitution ring, high priced call girl "Kristen" announced that she would temporarily step aside in the wake of charges that she had engaged in sex with New York Governor Eliot Spitzer.
"I made a serious mistake and betrayed the trust of my co-workers, my many clients, and my pimps," she said in a quiet voice cracking with emotion. "I will be taking a leave of absence to earn their forgiveness, and redeem myself in the eyes of the entire expensive whore community."
The embattled prostitute did not mention Spitzer by name, and stopped short of offering an official resignation. But longtime sex industry insiders say that it will be difficult for Kristen to return to her post in light of mounting federal wiretap evidence that she had sexually serviced the Governor on at least two occasions.
"It will be hard for her to spin her way out of this," said Destinee Rizzo, editor of the trade journal Executive Concubine."After taking on clients like that, her days as a five diamond, high-roller suite call girl are over. Frankly, with all the press coverage she'll be lucky to get a job as a $5 truck stop lot lizard in Kentucky."
"The big problem now is to keep this incident from threatening the whole expensive whore industry," added Rizzo.
The revelation brought an immediate and angry reaction from Greymont Preston IV, spokesman for the powerful consumer watchdog group Profligate Wastrels United. "For that kind of money, there's an expectation that these girls have been with Snoop Dogg or Charlie Sheen," said Preston. "But please -- Eliot Spitzer? When our members are spending five thousand dollars to snort cocaine off an ass, they want to know that ass has some standards."
Preston said his organization would push for new industry guidelines, including a "black box" john tracking system, but stopped short of calling for government regulation.
"Unfortunately, that would involve meeting with members of Congress, and many of our member don't want to risk having the photos become public," said Preston.
Lafester "Sly" Williams, president of the Big Dollar Pimp Association, said his group would comply with greater oversight and control systems.
"We want to assure the expensive whore buying public -- whether they are drug dealers, washed out big league ball players, or compulsive gamblers on a temporary hot streak -- that when they purchase one of our products, that fine bitch will now be DNA tested and certified 100% free of contaminants from politicians or journalists," said Williams.
Despite the new assurances, Rizzo says it may take years for the whore industry's luxury segment to recover from the incident.
"The saddest thing is what it done to the youngsters, those starry-eyed 17 and 18 year old boys out there who dream someday of blowing thirty or forty thousand dollars on a hotel room full of beautiful, high end hookers," said Rizzo. "Sure, only a few ever achieve it, but that boyhood dream has always been universal. After the Spitzer incident, thought, I'm just not sure whether that's true anymore."
As to underscore that concern, as Kristen walked toward the exit of the press conference to her waiting 1973 Lincoln Continental Mark IV, she was approached by a teenage boy, a forlorn questioning in his eyes.
"Say it ain't so, Kristen," he begged. "Say it ain't so!"
Brilliant, no? :)
Enjoy,
Pickpocket
12 March 2008, 10:25
"I made a serious mistake and betrayed the trust of my co-workers, my many clients, and my pimps,"
Now there's a line you don't hear every day...
I love the satire LMAO!
JohnG
12 March 2008, 14:24
The thread is worthless without photographs!
I want to see the seven diamond women!As requested.http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3148/ecpamela3ii9.jpg
JohnG
12 March 2008, 14:29
The thread is worthless without photographs!
I want to see the seven diamond women!As requested. This is a SOCNET exclusive by the way. These were archived images from the agency allegedly used by Spitzer. I can retrieve more images if requested. You can click on the smaller image to see it full size.http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9269/ecpamela2uf4.jpg
Kristen? (http://www.gabbybabble.com/2008/03/eliot-spitzer-resigns.html)
(I think this has to be considered SFW, but it does have blurred-out boobs for those with NAZI IT overseers.)
okami1
12 March 2008, 15:48
At least she's not a blonde...
Someone has to take notice ...
Mr. "Gonna Clean Up the Financial Industry" got nailed by his own bank self-reporting large cash transactions to the Infernal Revenue Service.
[Kind of like Sir Watson-Watt, the WWII British inventor of radar, who after the war was caught speeding by ... wait for it ... a radar gun. That led to the following poem:
Pity poor Sir Watson-Watt,
The victim of a radar plot.
He fell, with others I could mention,
The victim of his own invention.]
magician
12 March 2008, 17:06
I would hit it.
:)
I would hit it....Yeah dude, I would hit pretty much all of what was advertised on their site.
I suppose that even a blonde becomes hittable after a certain point....
Kristen? (http://www.gabbybabble.com/2008/03/eliot-spitzer-resigns.html)
(I think this has to be considered SFW, but it does have blurred-out boobs for those with NAZI IT overseers.)
Who wants to bet Daddy is finding out about Kristen's job right about now...
I would hit it.
:)Too much work involved.:o
Stay safe.
Johan
12 March 2008, 19:12
I would hit it.
:)
And you would not have to pay $3000 to play.
It has been a long time since I share a bed with a beautiful "college sophmore" (one of girls with this service, this is her 'selling point'), but I do not remember paying $3000 for each hour in that case, either.
I understand that maybe some man pay this money 'for discretion'. I feel certain that even if I have million of dollars 'to spend', my pride would prevent me from paying woman thousand of dollar each hour. She is not in the bed for you, she is there for the dollar, and you would know it.
Regards,
Spinner
12 March 2008, 20:49
I'm just relieved that our 48 hour long national nightmare is over.
JohnG
12 March 2008, 21:43
http://imageshack.us][img=http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6369/m81f3e50ba520ee36b9cc05hw4.jpg][/url] Kristen. Confirmed.
http://www.myspace.com/ninavenetta
And you would not have to pay $3000 to play.
It has been a long time since I share a bed with a beautiful "college sophmore" (one of girls with this service, this is her 'selling point'), but I do not remember paying $3000 for each hour in that case, either.
I understand that maybe some man pay this money 'for discretion'. I feel certain that even if I have million of dollars 'to spend', my pride would prevent me from paying woman thousand of dollar each hour. She is not in the bed for you, she is there for the dollar, and you would know it.
Regards,
Exactly. You pay a prostitute to leave in the morning (or when you're finished), not stick around and want to "do stuff" together. You pay for someone whose birthday you will never have to remember, whose parents you never have to meet, who won't criticize you for balding, or being overweight, or for having a shitty taste in decorating. No matter who you are, for an hour or so, or an evening, you're the King Shit. You pay so you don't have to impress someone with your knowledge of wine, or film, or with a nice car you can't afford. And, yes, you pay so they'll do stuff to you that you'd be embarassed asking someone you are dating or involved in.
And people wonder why prostitution is so f'ing popular?
JohnG
12 March 2008, 21:59
If someone knows an easy way for me to post images, I can post some images of "Kristen". I am trying to use Imageshack as a host since I don't think we can load them from our desktop. All are safe for work and are from her MySpace account, which I'm sure will be set to private in a few minutes.
Cancel that, someone else pulled them, so here they are.
http://www.holytaco.com/2008/03/12/creepy-or-sexy-eliot-spitzers-whore/
Exactly. You pay a prostitute to leave in the morning (or when you're finished), not stick around and want to "do stuff" together. You pay for someone whose birthday you will never have to remember, whose parents you never have to meet, who won't criticize you for balding, or being overweight, or for having a shitty taste in decorating. No matter who you are, for an hour or so, or an evening, you're the King Shit. You pay so you don't have to impress someone with your knowledge of wine, or film, or with a nice car you can't afford. And, yes, you pay so they'll do stuff to you that you'd be embarassed asking someone you are dating or involved in.
And people wonder why prostitution is so f'ing popular?You've got some "dating" issues. Hell...from the post above; your self-esteem seems to be lacking.:p
FIDO with your bad self...lmao!:D
Stay safe.
You've got some "dating" issues. Hell...from the post above; your self-esteem seems to be lacking.:p
I've never had the affliction of needing to hire a Prozzie...I learned all that by listening to SOTB.
Have I thought about it? Sure, but then figured there was more important things that I needed to spend my money on, then I just go to the bar and pick up a sophomore.
I just make sure I don't give them my number and take the back way to my house :D
Spinner
12 March 2008, 22:25
I checked out some of the pics from the website, and while I could see the difference between a *** and ******* escort/model/hooker, I had a harder time discerning between a **** and *******. Some of those **** looked as hot or hotter than some of the *******.
Richard Roeper wrote a piece about the whole sordid mess today, some of which was pretty funny.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/837464,CST-NWS-roep12.article
The Web site for the Emperors Club has been taken down in the wake of the Eliot Spitzer scandal. Their phone number still works, but nobody's picking up.
But before the site was taken down earlier this week, I grabbed a few pages and printed them out.
What a strange world.
Reading the flowery B.S. on the site, you'd almost forget the Emperors Club was selling women to men by the hour.
"Emperors Club VIP is the most preferred international social introduction service for those accustomed to excellence," read the site.
Almost sounds like a pitch for a BMW.
"Introducing the most impressive models to leading gentlemen of the world. . . . We specialize in introductions of: fashion models, pageant winners and exquisite students, graduates and women of successful careers (finance, art, media, etc.) to gentlemen of exceptional standards."
OK we get it, everyone here has exceptional standards.
"Each of our companions is a product of an exceptionally fine background and a success in her own right," said the site.
I can hear the conversation now:
"So how's your daughter Whitney doing? She's a few years out of Wellesley now, right?"
"Yes, and she had her first showing at the Met last year, it was wonderful. She and Hunter are renovating the house in the Hamptons this summer. Oh, and did I mention she's hooking with the Emperors Club as well? We're so proud!"
And Lady Spitzer never looked more radiant, or pissed off, than I saw her at today's news conference. I wonder how long the awkard silences in their household will last?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/kamy/ashley.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/kamy/ashley2.jpg
Quote from her my space page: "what destroys me, strengthens me."
After this she'll be forged steel...:rolleyes:
Quote from her my space page: "what destroys me, strengthens me."
After this she'll be forged steel...:rolleyes:
Hell I wouldn't bother trying to pick her up in a bar, much less spend a couple grand for her to blow me.
Hell I wouldn't bother trying to pick her up in a bar, much less spend a couple grand for her to blow me.
She does nothing for me, but then again, I prefer my partners like my cars; with a stick shift.
She does nothing for me, but then again, I prefer my partners like my cars; with a stick shift.
For a few more bucks I'm sure she'd strap one on for you.
Johan
12 March 2008, 22:48
Quote from her my space page: "what destroys me, strengthens me."
How profound. She is the 'MTV' apparition of Nietzsche? :rolleyes: I am certain she is very aware of global warming, and understands that "If everyone was really nice to everyone else the world would be a better place".
After seeing some of her quote and comment, I would say the $3000+ each hour is to ensure that she does not speak.
Regards,
After seeing some of her quote and comment, I would say the $3000+ each hour is to ensure that she does not speak.
Regards,
Ok, I've dated some women I'd be willing to shell out the cash to get them to shut up.
Johan
12 March 2008, 22:58
Some of the comment from internet site where her pictures are shown are hilarious. I suggest you read comment. My favorite so far:
"If I paid her $3000 for an hour of sex I would kill myself if I forgot my viagra."
:)
Regards,
http://imageshack.us][img=http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6369/m81f3e50ba520ee36b9cc05hw4.jpg][/url] Kristen. Confirmed.
http://www.myspace.com/ninavenetta
Holy shit...RAT, isn't she on your friends???
:D :D
:p
Shes a lot better looking than any of the whores I've ever had.
Nice body, but she sure as shit aint $3,000 an hour hot. For $3,000, I'd better get Jessica Alba, or Kate Beckinsale looking like she did in Underworld. This is what happens when dudes get too rich, they only look at whether they can afford the price tag, and forget about "value." What a douche.
Holy shit...RAT, isn't she on your friends???
:D :D
:p
I think she was in my TOP 10 :D
RO!!!
Johan
12 March 2008, 23:47
I think she was in my TOP 10 :D
RO!!!
How much did you charge her per hour?
With her income from Spitzer gone, how will she afford your rates!?
;)
Regards,
smp52
12 March 2008, 23:49
Nice body, but she sure as shit aint $3,000 an hour hot. For $3,000, I'd better get Jessica Alba, or Kate Beckinsale looking like she did in Underworld. This is what happens when dudes get too rich, they only look at whether they can afford the price tag, and forget about "value." What a douche.
They're paying for the discretion, not the 'looks' package. Plenty of hot girls will whore themselves out for cheaper, but only a select few keep their mouths shut.
Edit: From what I've been reading, many of these girls are models or people struggling in the entertainment industry. They have a vested interest in keeping their mouths shut as they themselves may be in the public spotlight someday.
And, yes, you pay so they'll do stuff to you that you'd be embarassed asking someone you are dating or involved in....Dude, you are naked, ramming your shlong in one of her orifices, and probably moaning/grunting/or just plain breathing heavy all over her -- there should be NOTHING you want or do that should embarrass you after all that.
Chicks need to understand that guys want porn sex too -- even if it involves laying down a base of plastic lining across the floor, breaking out a couple of bottles of baby-oil, and playing naked Twister with her and her best HOT girlfriend. Bottom line, there isn't a thing I'm embarrassed to ask the chick I'm with to do -- hey the way I see it, she has probably already seen my asshole in the mirror on the ceiling of our tacky hotel -- after a potential sighting of a dingleberry what else could one do to be worried about?
Dude, you are naked, ramming your shlong in one of her orifices, and probably moaning/grunting/or just plain breathing heavy all over her -- there should be NOTHING you want or do that should embarrass you after all that.
Wasn't talking about me per se, just listing reasons dudes go to prostitutes.
Hell I've been in bars where grown assed men will all but piss their pants when the urinals are all full waiting to go to a stall because they're afraid someone might see their pecker if they piss where all the other guys are pissing....if they have a problem with that no telling what kind of sexual hang ups they have.
Johan
13 March 2008, 00:43
Dude, you are naked, ramming your shlong in one of her orifices, and probably moaning/grunting/or just plain breathing heavy all over her --
(now that I am finished with cleaning the bier from my monitor, keyboard, face...)
Gentlemen-
I present to you Mr. SOTB, the secret romantic of SOCNET.
Respectfully,
Quote from her my space page: "what destroys me, strengthens me."
After this she'll be forged steel...:rolleyes:
He paid money for THAT? Those are a dime a dozen where I come from...
Bravo Five Romeo
13 March 2008, 02:03
Kristen. Confirmed.
http://www.myspace.com/ninavenetta
Ugh.
Her music is horrid.
I'd pay fifty bucks tops for her services though, but she'd have to not make a peep... that voice is like sticking knitting needles in my ears.
They're paying for the discretion, not the 'looks' package. Plenty of hot girls will whore themselves out for cheaper, but only a select few keep their mouths shut.
Edit: From what I've been reading, many of these girls are models or people struggling in the entertainment industry. They have a vested interest in keeping their mouths shut as they themselves may be in the public spotlight someday.
I understand that, but still... For 3K and hour, it had better damn well be the whole package.
Quote from her my space page: "what destroys me, strengthens me."
Oh, I'd make her STRONG! :p
redhawk
13 March 2008, 02:29
1. She's wearing "ugly girl sunglasses." No beautiful woman would cover 1/3 of their face voluntarily.
2. I know she's an actual person and all, but the comments on her myspace wall are hilarious.
"Sorry to hear what you're going through. I don't know why they are broadcasting your stuff all over. If it wasn't you it would have been someone else."
"WHAS POPPIN ASH, KEEP DOIN YOUR THING MA"
"WOW YOUR GETTING MEGA AIR-TIME, FUCK THE MEDIA"
and my personal favorite...
"Ash dont worrie im gona shine some light the best way and let the world know how good of a person you are cause ppl are just jugeing you on the fucked up media dont worrie i got you but in all i hope you doing good stay stronge...."
Considering the +35yr uglies $400/hr can turn up $1k/hr for a honey like that isnt so steep.
Considering the +35yr uglies $400/hr can turn up $1k/hr for a honey like that isnt so steep.
Shit, I could probably roll down SE 82nd and get a BJ for a valium and 2 percocets... As an added bonus, she probably wouldn't even have any teeth! :D And now that I've taken this thread way off track, I'll try and actually add to the discussion going on.
My own 2 cents is that prostitution should be legal. If you think about it, a girl can go out and bang 30 random dudes a night for free, and it's OK. But the second she gets paid, it's somehow illegal. That never made sense to me. What's the difference, other than the fact that she probably doesn't pay taxes? Then again, knowing the government, maybe that's the real issue. What's the difference if she's a porn star? She's getting paid to fuck, does the fact that it's on film and the paycheck comes from the dude filming it somehow change things? I know that's a very superficial argument, but it's all I feel like putting into it right now.
Regarding the whole marriage issue, I don't care what vows were exchanged, when she bangs some other guy, or he bangs some other chick, it's null and void. "Till death do us part" actually applied in these situations way back when... The dude or chick would have been stoned to death in the public square.
There's taking a vow, and then there's betrayal. All of us who served took a vow to this country, but I'm pretty sure that there are circumstances where most would abandon that vow if it came down to it (ie if the country you swore a vow to became perverted into something so entirely different and obtuse to the one you initally swore to defend, you were morally against continuing to serve). Just go re-read some of the threads concerning gun control on this board, and you'll see my point. In circumstances like these, our vows are to the ideals and spirit of the thing, not a blind devotion to it regardless of where it ends up.
grappler
13 March 2008, 05:34
1
"Sorry to hear what you're going through. I don't know why they are broadcasting your stuff all over. If it wasn't you it would have been someone else."
"WHAS POPPIN ASH, KEEP DOIN YOUR THING MA"
"WOW YOUR GETTING MEGA AIR-TIME, FUCK THE MEDIA"
and my personal favorite...
"Ash dont worrie im gona shine some light the best way and let the world know how good of a person you are cause ppl are just jugeing you on the fucked up media dont worrie i got you but in all i hope you doing good stay stronge...."
This must be the "cool" way to talk now??...:rolleyes:
IMO, she's pokeable, but nothing special... and definitley not worth three thousand dollars!! Let's see, what could I do for $3,000 besides her...
flhshvlhed
13 March 2008, 05:41
Dude, you are naked, ramming your shlong in one of her orifices, and probably moaning/grunting/or just plain breathing heavy all over her -- there should be NOTHING you want or do that should embarrass you after all that.
Chicks need to understand that guys want porn sex too -- even if it involves laying down a base of plastic lining across the floor, breaking out a couple of bottles of baby-oil, and playing naked Twister with her and her best HOT girlfriend. Bottom line, there isn't a thing I'm embarrassed to ask the chick I'm with to do -- hey the way I see it, she has probably already seen my asshole in the mirror on the ceiling of our tacky hotel -- after a potential sighting of a dingleberry what else could one do to be worried about?
Dude - there has been some funny stuff on this thread. KidA has come up w/ some good ones. But - from my POV - this has to be the funniest shit that I've read - period. The visual that goes w/ it, is pricesless!!! ;)
FTR - I understand that you pay a hooker to leave - but come on - $3000 - that's a lot of leaving, not to mention the ones for $5K!!! Is that stuff lined w/ gold, or do they give you some inside tips on the stock market?
Give me a break!!
NightLandNav
13 March 2008, 06:15
A $100 hook will leave. For $3k plus, you're paying for (among other things), discretion.
However, and this is a crucial point, if you are a predominant public figure, especially if you are in a position of power, let's say for instance...the Gov of NY State... no amount of money can be relied on to keep your secret.
...and no amount of logical reasoning can make your indiscretion look like anything other than the actions of an incredible dumbass.
I think she was in my TOP 10 :D
RO!!!
But I'm still #1, right? :D
The visual that goes w/ it, is pricesless!!! ;)
No, the visual that goes with it makes you a Fag. Fag.
:D
I got no visual on this end!
My own 2 cents is that prostitution should be legal.
Regarding the whole marriage issue, I don't care what vows were exchanged, when she bangs some other guy, or he bangs some other chick, it's null and void.
Agreed. Legalize it, medically regulate it, and tax it.
And if a married person needs the services of a prostitute; they should probably reevaluate the relationship.
Ugh.
Her music is horrid.
I'd pay fifty bucks tops for her services though, but she'd have to not make a peep... that voice is like sticking knitting needles in my ears.
Latest word on Fox News this morning is she was living with her boyfriend and he's since moved out -- she's worried about paying the rent now.
B5R, there you go...a new roomie...I understand she has a pretty swank address. :D
Greenhat
13 March 2008, 11:28
Latest word on Fox News this morning is she was living with her boyfriend and he's since moved out -- she's worried about paying the rent now.
So....
She either wasn't turning many tricks... doesn't have a clue how to save money... or she is living way beyond her means...
magician
13 March 2008, 11:59
Poor kid may never be able to show her face in public for a long time.
Or.... she could serve as the catalyst for a wholesale revaluation of the underground industry of prostitution.
Who wants to bet that she ends up moving to Vegas?
For myself, I hope that she ends up marrying Rat. He should shave his back for her, but I know that he would be good to her.
:)
....As an added bonus, she probably wouldn't even have any teeth!Who here has not had a BJ from a toothless 80 y/o Jap chick on Whisper Alley?My own 2 cents is that prostitution should be legal.Me too.If you think about it, a girl can go out and bang 30 random dudes a night for free, and it's OK.Actually, she is then considered by many; "a slut." If a guy were to bang multiple broads in the same night, he would be considered "lucky" or "a player." Some serious hypocritical shit going on there....
Viking
13 March 2008, 12:54
Any idea what the girl in an escort service clears if the client is charged $5000/hour?
No I'm not looking for a career change, so spare me the wise ass remarks. :D
So....
She either wasn't turning many tricks... doesn't have a clue how to save money... or she is living way beyond her means...
Probably a little bit of all of it....and therein lies the answer to Viking's question...the house probably takes at least 50%
Considering she has admitted to prostitution, she might have a new "home" with a whole new wardrobe for a few months anyhow. :D
Any idea what the girl in an escort service clears if the client is charged $5000/hour?Dude,
I have a little experience in this, although not enough to be considered a SME.
The gals I have hired/hire (yup -- and the companies I have worked for authorized me to charge it to AMEX) earned anywhere from 40-60 percent of the take on that job. Sometimes there were additional charges that I believe ONLY the service company received, such as whatever fees would be added to travel, per diem, special clothing, and reserved locations. But generally, the gals took a significant portion of the fees.
Granted, these companies that I did/do business with are not street punk companies, but fully legal and upfront -- and taxed -- companies, so perhaps there is a difference in how it would work with regards to someone like the "Emperor VIP"....
Any idea what the girl in an escort service clears if the client is charged $5000/hour?
Curious as well, I just found out that my company charged the client $14,000 for the month of February for my time alone.
No, I didn't make near that.
I totally need to become an independent contractor...
magician
13 March 2008, 14:26
Too much work involved.:o
Stay safe.
Actually, not really.
An exquisitely managed prostitution business keeps drama to a minimum.
There are two such establishments of which I am aware here in Bangkok, perhaps a third, depending on your definition of the term. There are an uncountable multitude of other commercial firms which retail sex in the Kingdom, and I freely admit that my knowledge of them is not encyclopedic.
:)
But, to address your comment, brother, in the event of any trouble with the service provider, you simply cut away from her in the most efficient manner possible, then you talk to the papa-san or the mama-san in a dispassionate manner. You never argue with the practitioner. I have never had to raise an issue of service satisfaction with any of the three extremely reputable establishments that I have patronized here in the past. (For those of you who are not aware of it, I am now married, and we had our first anniversary a couple of months ago. We are doing just fine, and my days of spewing wild seed are at an end, at least for the moment.)
:)
The management handles the problem and makes amends, and you go on your merry way. They make it easy to be a client. If they do not manage their stable of talent deftly, and if they do not ensure client satisfaction, then they do not get the crucial word-of-mouth referrals that are the lifeblood of such enterprises. There is simply too much competition, and poorly run establishments fail every week.
You are not planning to marry these girls. You are not looking for a relationship. At most, you might enjoy some good company in a discreet restaurant before you retire, or you might develop a preference for a small number of favored service providers. If you are looking for more, then you are not looking for a prostitute. In Thai parlance, you are looking for a gik, which is sort of a "fuck buddy," I guess. The parameters of a "girl who works at night," versus a gik are quite clear in this hierarchical and stratified society. Everybody knows their place. And that includes the girlfriends, and the wives.
(I remember one girl (she was 29 years old at the time) that came to my residence, this was about six months before I met my wife, and she stunned me by speaking fluent Spanish. Her English was likewise superb.
The papa-san sent her to me because she was "new on the job," and he wanted an objective assessment of her skills, or so he said (this papa-san never sampled his own product). She was a knockout, she was extremely polished, and she was very proficient in the arts of sexual pleasure. A modern courtesan, in the best sense of the word.
She found her way to the sexual services industry because her boyfriend of several years essentially fired her when she got too old for him. Apparently he preferred girls younger than 25. She definitely knew what she was doing in bed. I think that her boyfriend was a freakin' asshole, but I digress.
My point is, the papa-san knew my preferences and proclivities. It was his business to know them. I have referred at least two dozen associates to him in the past four years, and those associates have made their own referrals. I still make referrals to him, and he has never failed to deliver extremely good value. This establishment does not advertise in any other way. You get the idea.)
The transaction is simple. When the session parameters are met (generally in terms of time), she gets paid, you thank one another for a mutually beneficial exchange (sex for money), she splits, and you drift into a relaxed sleep with no guilt. When you wake the next day, you think, "that was good value for the money," or, you think, "I do not think that I will patronize that establishment again," and you get on with your life.
In the case of this 29 year old girl, I called the papa-san to thank him for selecting her for me (my regular girls were all booked!), and to tell him that she took very good care of me. He appreciated the feedback, and the girl appreciated him relaying my compliments. I know that she appreciated my generous tip.
I have to say that I think that prostitution has a place in modern society. Many will disagree with me, primarily on moral grounds, I suspect, but there is no doubt in my mind that women of a certain practicality and men who appreciate its convenience will keep the industry flourishing. It is a fact. To ignore it, or to pretend that it is not happening, is absurd. Better to regulate it, and to tax it, than to leave it alone, and I say this as a true fan of market forces, meaning that I philosophically prefer to leave markets unfettered. Prostitution needs to be legalized, and it needs to be regulated.
I think that prostitution needs to be regulated if only to give practitioners legitimate options in the event of human trafficking or abuse. Practitioners also need to be held to certain health standards, and those standards need to be enforceable and enforced without corruption. Sexually transmitted diseases are not trivial, and unsafe sex should not be feasible for any amount of money.
As for the impact of prostitution on families.... well, I feel for Mrs. Spitzer. I truly do. But my pity has limits, as she is a political wife, and I have to suspect that she knew, better than anyone, perhaps, the monstrous dimensions of her husband's hypocrisy. A wife knows. How could she not know? Seriously. There is no way that I could hide infidelity from my own wife. I might think that I was hiding it, but she would know.
Here in the Kingdom, there is an odd laissez-faire at work. Formally, prostitution is illegal, and Thai society is very conservative on the surface.
But prostitution is a huge reality here. I mean, it is mammoth. I am not aware of any study that has ever encompassed its dimensions. It ranges from cheap hookers in Chinatown to PR girls (who are technically not for sale) in Gentlemen's Clubs, to Karaoke Bars, to Go-Go Bars, to brothels, and to misnamed "massage" entertainment complexes.
And then you have the institution of the mia noi, meaning the mistress, or "minor wife."
The Kingdom has a lot of problems. But getting laid is not one of them. I think that prostitution in this country has been more beneficial than harmful, and I say that as one who is not a fan of prostitution as it is practiced here.
Too many girls are forced into prostitution in this country purely for economic reasons. There are very few options for the rural poor here. In many cases, girls working in any of the above establishments are keeping entire extended families alive. And when I say "alive," I mean they are putting rice into the mouths of their families.
It is heartbreaking, at times.
In the case of Eliot Spitzer.... the Thais have a saying: som nam na.
You reap what you sow. In either this life, or the next.
Bravo Five Romeo
13 March 2008, 14:31
Thanks to online resources, many girls out there are doing it independently... a Craig's list ad or adult web page ad that links to a MYSPACE page for pictures and contact. There are many girls out there doing it without escort services and keeping 100%.
Bravo Five Romeo
13 March 2008, 14:55
Legalized prostitution works.
Anyone who has traveled around Europe's red light districts, most famously in Amsterdam, can attest to this.
It's like window shoping and the goods are on display.
Make your selection and enter.
The prices are regulated, the girls are customer service friendly.
SAFETY FIRST... in every sense of the word.
The atmosphere is friendly and relaxed, but I have no doubt that with one word from her, a couple of large well trained security folks will come through the back door ready to correct your behavior.
Safe sex only and the girls are constantly tested.
Do your deed and take your time.
It is business with a smile.
http://www.red-light-district-amsterdam.com/images/amsterdam-girls-2.jpg
Legal regulated prostitution works.
Safe for the customers
Safe for the girls
The Red Light District is in it's own (adults only) section of town so there's actually less exposure of smut to children where prostitution is legalized than not.
Since the girls are tested and the business is regulated, not only is it good for the economy, but these are not girls with diseases or drug habits...
...so there is no spread of disease or support of a drug trade.
Magician,
Girls do not equal women!:D
Stay safe.
Keganswar
13 March 2008, 16:08
Legalized prostitution works.
Anyone who has traveled around Europe's red light districts, most famously in Amsterdam, can attest to this.
It's like window shoping and the goods are on display.
Make your selection and enter.
The prices are regulated, the girls are customer service friendly.
SAFETY FIRST... in every sense of the word.
The atmosphere is friendly and relaxed, but I have no doubt that with one word from her, a couple of large well trained security folks will come through the back door ready to correct your behavior.
Safe sex only and the girls are constantly tested.
Do your deed and take your time.
It is business with a smile.
http://www.red-light-district-amsterdam.com/images/amsterdam-girls-2.jpg
Legal regulated prostitution works.
Safe for the customers
Safe for the girls
The Red Light District is in it's own (adults only) section of town so there's actually less exposure of smut to children where prostitution is legalized than not.
Since the girls are tested and the business is regulated, not only is it good for the economy, but these are not girls with diseases or drug habits...
...so there is no spread of disease or support of a drug trade.
This all sounds like a great no draw back working idea on paper. But what are the actual negatives to it?
Bravo Five Romeo
13 March 2008, 16:20
This all sounds like a great no draw back working idea on paper. But what are the actual negatives to it?
Hmmm...
1. All the junkie and crackhead prostitutes would be out of work
2. All the diseased prostitutes would be out of work
3. All the johns looking for rough unsafe sex with a prostitute would be out of luck
4. A bunch of high and mighty types will have their panties in a bunch
Beyond that, there's not much downside
It doesn't just work on paper.
It works in reality in a number of very modern European countries.
EX,
Of course you are still #1.
I can say that I have never paid A gal for sex.
I have paid for others as well.
Magician,
I could not afford this gal. 3000 + 5000K a night. My pecker maybe worth. 10000. That would mean that I would have to pay almost 1/2 to keep this gal happy. :D. Hahahaha
Let's all admit it that most women just suck. :D
RO!!!
Keganswar
13 March 2008, 16:32
Hmmm...
1. All the junkie and crackhead prostitutes would be out of work
2. All the diseased prostitutes would be out of work
3. All the johns looking for rough unsafe sex with a prostitute would be out of luck
4. A bunch of high and mighty types will have their panties in a bunch
Beyond that, there's not much downside
Well….
I am more talking about the behind the scenes goings on. When I was younger 20, 21 or so I worked in strip clubs as a bouncer. On the outside its well oiled machine to get your money, behind the scenes though there is people capitalizing on girls insecurities, using drugs/money as a leverage points, and lots of psychological manipulation to get these women to perform, both on the stage and off the stage. I still to this day don’t ever go to strip clubs after having worked in them.
So my question as to what the negatives are is more along the lines of what happens behind the scenes. Are people being pushed into it? Junkies will still find a way to do there thing and have sex, regulation is hardly something that is effective. A woman can get drunk two hours after her test bang a random guy at a bar then get ready to go to work with her new STD. They don’t test people every day or after every encounter. No matter what use wrap your whatever with there is always a chance. That’s why it’s a form of protection not prevention.
I would be very curious to hear from people that live around the red light district to see what there viewpoints are. I am looking for the article that I read a few months ago that said it was being shut down for some of the reason I have mentioned above. I don’t want to quote any of it till I find it though.
I am looking for the article that I read a few months ago that said it was being shut down for some of the reason I have mentioned above. I don’t want to quote any of it till I find it though.
Is this the article?
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/09/looking-to-draw.html
It seems that there are pros and cons, and Amsterdam is trying to strike a balance.
I do not believe that legalized prostitution makes everything hunky dory for the women engaged in the trade. I do however think that letting the sex trade go as as an unregulated industry makes it more dangerous, and no less abundant.
Keganswar
13 March 2008, 17:09
Is this the article?
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/09/looking-to-draw.html
It seems that there are pros and cons, and Amsterdam is trying to strike a balance.
I do not believe that legalized prostitution makes everything hunky dory for the women engaged in the trade. I do however think that letting the sex trade go as as an unregulated industry makes it more dangerous, and no less abundant.
You rock! That is it! There was one more I am hunting down that went into some more detail as well.
I agree it should be legal and taxed, But I do not agree that doing so makes it all pretty and nice, or moral.
Bravo Five Romeo
13 March 2008, 18:35
Where in that article does it say legalized prostitution is a problem?
They only talk about one guy who runs several legal brothels and mention he may be involved in other (non prostitute related) illegal activity.
And when the Dutch sex worker's union talks about exploitation of women, they're not talking about women being forced into the sex trade... they're talking about sex workers being ripped off or denied benefits by their employers... just like any labor union.
Where in that article does it say legalized prostitution is a problem?
It doesn't say it is a problem, but that there are problems with it.
From the article:
Mayor Job Cohen said the heavy concentration of the sex trade in the canal city's crowded center has degraded the quality of life, encouraged crime and exploited women.
"Our aim is to combat criminality. To make the district more manageable. To improve the quality of life by reducing the excessive concentration of prostitution, bad-quality cafés and restaurants, and marijuana coffee shops," he said, according to Radio Netherlands. "We want to create more opportunities for bona fide businesses."
And when the Dutch sex worker's union talks about exploitation of women, they're not talking about women being forced into the sex trade... they're talking about sex workers being ripped off or denied benefits by their employers... just like any labor union.
Of course that is not wha the union was talking about, and I didn't suggest it was, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
My point was to say that although being regulated is better than not, regulation does not necessarily make all things right. Regulation doesn't make it absolutley safe for workers or patrons, and it doesn't stop exploitation completely. It may mitigate those negatives, so I am in favor of it, but it doesn't remove them all together.
Vincent
13 March 2008, 20:45
I can't believe all this talk about taxing and regulating. How about a simple transaction between consenting adults with no middle-man and no government involvment.
flhshvlhed
13 March 2008, 20:52
I can't believe all this talk about taxing and regulating. How about a simple transaction between consenting adults with no middle-man and no government involvment.
Can I hear an amen there brothers and sisters!?!? :D (clapping hands and roar of the crowds!!)
Hell, for that matter, if it weren't for the moral minority - they could go ahead and tax it - use it to help fund the boys in the box right now.
Parajuevos
13 March 2008, 20:55
Well….
Junkies will still find a way to do there thing and have sex, regulation is hardly something that is effective. A woman can get drunk two hours after her test bang a random guy at a bar then get ready to go to work with her new STD. They don’t test people every day or after every encounter. No matter what use wrap your whatever with there is always a chance. That’s why it’s a form of protection not prevention.
This is the bottom line. No amount of regulation can prevent STDs 100%.
I remember when "SIN City" was built, near the 1st Cavalry Divisions An Khe Base Camp, in 1966. The powers that be thought that it would be a good way to curb the high rate of VD and it probably did, to a large degree, but it certainly didn't prove to be a complete success, even though checkups and I.D. cards were required of the girls. Even with the regulations, six cases of the clap occurred in the first week of operation.
Anyone who goes to prostitutes should know that they are assuming a certain amount of risk. If they're single then the risk is theirs and theirs alone but they have no right to expose an unknowing wife or girlfriend to the risk.
I can't believe all this talk about taxing and regulating. How about a simple transaction between consenting adults with no middle-man and no government involvment.Some ass-hole will jack the price up causing KidA to pay more than what she's worth.:D
Stay safe.
flhshvlhed
13 March 2008, 21:30
This is the bottom line. No amount of regulation can prevent STDs 100%.
Anyone who goes to prostitutes should know that they are assuming a certain amount of risk. If they're single then the risk is theirs and theirs alone but they have no right to expose an unknowing wife or girlfriend to the risk.
1. Yes
2. Agreed they shouldn't expose the SigO to it. There's something to be said for marriage vow's - too bad neither one of my ex's understood that!!:mad:
Greenhat
13 March 2008, 21:43
Anyone who goes to prostitutes should know that they are assuming a certain amount of risk. If they're single then the risk is theirs and theirs alone but they have no right to expose an unknowing wife or girlfriend to the risk.
I'd make one slight adjustment.
First line: "Anyone having sex" vs. "Anyone who goes to prostitutes".
The risk is there with girlfriends, wives, and Scotty's MySpace friends... it is not exclusive to prostitutes.
Some ass-hole will jack the price up causing KidA to pay more than what she's worth.:D
Stay safe.
Yeah, he'll have to wax two cars instead of one...:D
The latest from Fox News: Ashley's My Space page had to be taken down from all the traffic. Her song was downloaded so many times they upped the price from $.35 a download to $.99. By next week she'll be a millionaire. Penthouse has offered her a cover - among other things.
NY Post reports: "Sources say Silda is no longer sharing a bedroom with her embattled hubby, but will stay married to him at least until his legal troubles are hashed out. "
...and so it goes.
Some ass-hole will jack the price up causing KidA to pay more than what she's worth.:D
Stay safe.
Ha. The only time I ever considered it I was 19 and hanging at a bar at Camp Hovy in Korea with friends during a respite from being up north. Bought a butt-whore a drink, she took my thing out under the table, her eyes got wide, she called me a black man, then called her friends over to look at it, none of them wanted any part of it and my friends got mad for driving all the whores away.
I'm still unsure if I should be upset or proud, regardless that ended my flirtation with prostitutes.
:D
This ass-wipe didn't seek out "Kristen's" services because the wife was "frigid"; he did so because she wasn't willing to have ol' Elliot deposit a steaming loaf on her face, or some equally loathsome act.
I know most of you realize Spitzer's conduct opened him up to blackmail. ala the old Soviet "honey trap".:D
Not since Bill Clinton evaded his Secret Service coverage to bang Markie Post in a DC hotel has a prominent political leader exposed himself to such a fuck story.
It isn't just "personal", regardless of what those who can't make the distinction between freedom and license believe.:rolleyes:
Not since Bill Clinton evaded his Secret Service coverage to bang Markie Post in a DC hotel has a prominent political leader exposed himself to such a fuck story....Well, at least Spitzer didn't subject the nation to more "those American politicians have REALLY bad taste in women" situations.
Spitzer won't be getting any envious looks from his buddies as he gets flogged in the next few years -- but at least none of his buddies will have to remind him that the gal he was fucking was a FATass....
NightLandNav
15 March 2008, 05:54
Well, at least Spitzer didn't subject the nation to more "those American politicians have REALLY bad taste in women" situations.
Spitzer won't be getting any envious looks from his buddies as he gets flogged in the next few years -- but at least none of his buddies will have to remind him that the gal he was fucking was a FATass....
First reaction: LOL
Then I began to realize the political implications.
SOTB is dead on even if you're not joking. Between the two, Clinton and Spitzer…who was the bigger idiot?
Both of them are idiots, so that’s not the question. The question is; which one is the bigger dumbass?
Politics is a real meat grinder. To pretend such comparisons are not going to be made is naive to say the least.
Money is not the point. The point is; what was put in jeopardy, and for what.
Bill….you lose dude.
Big time.
Bravo Five Romeo
15 March 2008, 06:45
SOTB is dead on even if you're not joking. Between the two, Clinton and Spitzer…who was the bigger idiot?
Who was breaking the law?
Who didn't have to resign?
Cheating may be wrong, but hiring prostitutes is illegal.
magician
15 March 2008, 07:11
It is interesting to me that many folks who spend time in proximity to prostitution often come to view it as simply another service industry.
There are moral questions behind any discussion of legalization, but more immediate issues include the health and welfare of providers and clients.
Most folks get wrapped around the axle of whether prostitution is right or wrong. In the meantime, johns keep hiring pro's, and pro's keep hooking, and the bacilli and the fungi and the virii just keep getting stronger and nastier.
Maybe we should just accept the reality: Legal or not, it is happening, it will continue to happen, and we can debate the morality of it all later.
Right now, we need to get serious about shutting down human trafficking, pedophilia, and unsafe sex.
Enough Already: It's Time to Decriminalize Prostitution (http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008/03/15/opinion/opinion_30068237.php)
By Patty Kelly, LA Times
Enough already: it's time to decriminalise prostitution
Eliot Spitzer paid a woman for sex. And got caught.
Published on March 15, 2008
Depending on whose statistics you choose to believe, more than one in every 10 American adult males have paid for sex at some point. What's more, in 2005, about 84,000 people were arrested on prostitution-related offences.
In other words, it's not terribly uncommon. It's a part of our culture, and it's not going away any time soon. Perhaps Spitzer's resignation will help convince Americans that it is finally time to decriminalise prostitution across the country.
Recently, I spent a year working at a legal, state-regulated brothel in Mexico, a nation in which commercial sex is common, visible and, in one-third of the states, legal. I was not working as a prostitute but as an anthropologist, to study and analyse the place of commercial sex in the modern world. I spent my days and nights in close contact with the women who sold sexual services, with their clients, and with government bureaucrats who ran the brothel.
Here's what I learned: most of the workers made some rational choice to be there, sometimes after a divorce, a break-up or an economic crisis, acute or chronic. Of the 140 women who worked at the Galactic Zone, as the brothel was called, only five had a pimp (and in each of those cases, they insisted the man was their boyfriend).
The women made their own hours, set their own rates and decided for themselves what sex acts they would perform. Some were happy with the job. (As Gabriela once told me: "You should have seen me before I started working here. I was so depressed.") Others would have preferred to be doing other work, although the employment available to these women in Mexico (servants, factory workers) pays far less for longer hours.
At the Galactic Zone, good-looking clients were appreciated and sometimes resulted in boyfriends; the cheap, miserly and miserable ones were avoided, if possible.
To be sure, the brothel had its dangers: sexually transmitted diseases and violence were occasionally a part of the picture. But overall, it was safer than the streets, in part because of police protection and condom distribution by government authorities.
Legalising and regulating prostitution has its own problems - it stigmatises sex workers (mostly by requiring them to register with the authorities), subjects them to mandatory medical testing that is not always effective and gives clients and workers a false sense of security (with respect to sexual health and otherwise).
But criminalisation is worse. Sweden's 1998 criminalisation of commercial sex - a measure titled "The Protection of Women" - appears not to protect them at all. A 2004 report by the Swedish Ministry of Justice and the police found that after the law went into effect, prostitution, of course, continued. Meanwhile, prices for sexual services dropped, clients were fewer but more often violent, more wanted to pay for sex and not use a condom, and sex workers had less time to assess the mental state of their clients because of the fear of getting caught.
New Zealand's 2003 Prostitution Reform Act is perhaps the most progressive response to the complex issue of prostitution. The act not only decriminalises the practice but seeks to "safeguard the human rights of sex workers and protects them from exploitation, promotes the welfare and occupational health and safety of sex workers, is conducive to public health, (and) prohibits the use in prostitution of persons under 18 years of age."
Furthermore, clients, sex workers and brothel-owners bear equal responsibility for minimising the risks of STD transmission. In 2005, a client was convicted of violating the act by slipping his condom off during sex.
And this brings me to the clients. I have met hundreds of men who have paid for sex. Some seek any kind of sex; others want certain kinds of sex; a few look for comfort and conversation.
Saying that all sex workers are victims and all clients are demons is the easy way out. Perhaps it's time to face this like adults (or at least like Mexico) - with a little less moralising and a good deal more honesty.
As for Spitzer, if he had walked into the Galactic Zone, my questions would have been these: was he respectful? Was he safe? Did he pay well? If the answer to all three was yes, then, well, I voted for him once, and I would vote for him again.
Patty Kelly is an anthropology professor at George Washington University and the author of "Lydia's Open Door: Inside Mexico's Most Modern Brothel".
Patty Kelly
Los Angeles Times
LOS ANGELES
Cheating may be wrong, but hiring prostitutes is illegal.There may still be some debate about how much law was broken and whether everyone that had to resign did resign -- I mean, the whole idea of lying under oath is supposed to be as -- if not more -- relevant to a politician's credibility as his amorous lifestyle.
Consider the original question posed and note that WHAT was placed in jeopardy was so much more with Sr. Clinton than with Sr. Spitzer. And I DO maintain that the justification for these two admittedly similar events is worlds apart. One guy basically placed the credibility of arguably the world's most important political office on the chopping floor of even the most tacky of supermarket editing floors, for the chance to feel like an important guy in the eyes of a young FATass and unattractive girl -- JUST for a BJ, and the other brought a little more embarrassment -- if that -- to a post that has had more than it's share of problems, him for banging HOT chicks (probably every orifice, with multiple digits and organs, MULTIPLE times) -- however, the irony of a supposed counter-corruption superhero caught illegally (and corruptly) should not be lost.
"Crazy Bill" solidified what much of the world thought of him prior to his getting impeached -- he looked/acted/talked like a used-car salesman. Of course, "Ritzy Spitzy" also confirmed what many thought -- that he was another rich fuck who believed he did not have to conform to the rules and regs that the mere mortals of his constituency had to.
Spitzer did have way better-looking justifications, though (again, and as I have stated before, I do not fault ANY man (or woman) for fucking a hooker -- as long as if they are married they are being open with the spouse AND if the person dabbling is a member of the govt (cops, politicians, etc.) that they do so LEGALLY)....
C-M-R
15 March 2008, 07:52
There may still be some debate about how much law was broken and whether everyone that had to resign did resign -- I mean, the whole idea of lying under oath is supposed to be as -- if not more -- relevant to a politician's credibility as his amorous lifestyle.
Ain't that the truth. Given the choice between husbands who visit hookers and ones who screw around with young girls in his office, I'll take the hooker visiting one.
Of course that pretty easy for me to say considering I'm married to a guy who pinches pennies not butts.
NightLandNav
15 March 2008, 09:17
Who was breaking the law?
Who didn't have to resign?
Cheating may be wrong, but hiring prostitutes is illegal.
Point taken. However my friend (and I mean that sincerely), I stand by my question. ...as well as my considered verdict.
ALL things considered.
This goes far beyond which tripe had the fatter ass...
...and specifically who's ass was more "dumb" as indicated by his actions.
Spitzer will be forgotten long before his esteemed adulterous predecessor.
"Right" or "wrong".
"Legality"? Shall we count the transgressions, tit for tat?
Both suffer their office beyond recompense. But, in regards to "stupidity"...I only assert that one suffers greater...since his office suffered US all.
And suffers US, the office and himself still.
Silverbullet
15 March 2008, 09:51
Consider the original question posed and note that WHAT was placed in jeopardy was so much more with Sr. Clinton than with Sr. Spitzer. And I DO maintain that the justification for these two admittedly similar events is worlds apart. One guy basically placed the credibility of arguably the world's most important political office on the chopping floor of even the most tacky of supermarket editing floors,
Good points. Clinton was holding the most powerful office in the world. He allowed a skank into the inner sanctum that others who assist in running and keeping our nation free have to make an appointment to get access to, just for a blow job.
He was the CinC, he controlled the nuclear options, he had sworn an oath, he had ongoing crisis's that he had to monitor and was carrying the credibility of our nation on. I could go on.....His actions had ramifications that rippled world wide. Spitzers don't.
Clinton then couldn't even tell the truth, both under oath, which is a crime worse than hiring prostitutes, and when he appeared on national TV to point his finger at us and lie about not having sex with the fatty.
JRB11
15 March 2008, 18:22
Sadly, I believed him when he said he didn't do it. I couldn't believe he would lie on Nat'l TV so blatantly. The whole investigation, in my opinion, was BS, costs the taxpayer millions to only find out he got a BJ and lied about it, and also made it harder to fight Bin Laden. Remember Wag the Dog? That said, it was solely Clintons fault that he couldn't control himself, and it cost the country. Power corrupts, Left/Right/up/down. I think Spitzer, at least, got his rocks off with the better of the 2.
Silverbullet
15 March 2008, 22:04
The whole investigation, in my opinion, was BS, costs the taxpayer millions to only find out he got a BJ and lied about it, and also made it harder to fight Bin Laden. Remember Wag the Dog?
LOL, it made it harder to find Bin Laden......? I guess so if you count never looking for him.
Wag the dog? Really. That's what happened? Someone forced him into that and it hurt the "hunt" for OBL? Sure it did...........
I'm not going to waste time rehashing something that been beaten to death but the investigation had nothing to do with his suck fest, initially. It went that route after during the course of an investigation that could have been put away in 5 minutes when he lied under oath.
You may want to research things a bit deeper to base your ideas on.
JRB11
16 March 2008, 02:22
Maybe I wasn't clear enough in what I was trying to say. Clinton only has himself to blame, as does Spitzer. My point on the Wag the Dog was this: due to pressure Clinton was under from the various investigations, which started as a land deal, and ended up with a blue dress, when he did take action, the Repubs went nuts and said he was just trying to turn attention away from the investigation. If sending a few dozen cruise missiles in caused so many accusations, how would sending in the Marines, 82nd, whatever have been looked upon? His hands were tied, in large part because of his own ego/Lewinsky, but also because congressional partisanship.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/23/wag.dog/
I'm not trying to defend the man, but it does highlight how someone in a powerful position can be compromised by some act as small as having sex with an intern, and as a result, we all pay in the end.
Silverbullet
16 March 2008, 07:57
Good to see you backed away from your original statement that it was all about a BJ.
and said he was just trying to turn attention away from the investigation. If sending a few dozen cruise missiles in caused so many accusations, how would sending in the Marines, 82nd, whatever have been looked upon? His hands were tied, in large part because of his own ego/Lewinsky, but also because congressional partisanship.
His hands weren't tied. He had free rein to do what he wanted in regard to "hunting" OBL. I'll accept the fact that you aren't defending him, but your statements and the link to the article show that you appear to be excusing him or misrepresenting what was going on during that period.
I'll even set aside the timing of his cruise missile attacks, but that doesn't explain away the missed opportunity's and the fact that he wasn't that interested in "hunting" anyone. The facts speak for themselves and him having a Repub congress didn't affect this since a President can make decisions on the use of the our military without having sot get congressional approval. It may have impact for long term employment but for the subj you are speaking of, it had none.
I don't prescribe to the theory that OBL and de facto 911 were his fault like some. It was a different time and no one could foresee the future. Even with that, you are completely wrong about how his suckfest impacted anything to do with OBL. To accept that would require the acceptance that his admin was actually interested in him to the extent they tried to revise history after 911. They were no more interested in him than they were war criminals in the Balkans or drug kingpins down south. He wasn't some special case they were pursuing.
Nothing to do with Spitzer or the subj of the thread. You can research or revive any number of threads related to this if you feel strongly enough about it.
JRB11
16 March 2008, 18:06
Forget Clinton, my point is that even though I could give a shit about someone getting some on the side, when you're in a position of power, it can be used against you. We'll never know what this info could have been used for or how far a Spitzer would go to keep it out of the public domain. Movin on.
....my point is that even though I could give a shit about someone getting some on the side, when you're in a position of power, it can be used against you. We'll never know what this info could have been used for or how far a Spitzer would go to keep it out of the public domain.Agreed -- people have made bad decisions to keep info less damaging than this out of the hands of others. So you have a good point -- one so good that many agencies require a poly to prevent this type of person from getting hired or from staying hired.
If you add into this the supposed use of govt transportation to get that pussy, possibly using govt credit cards to pay for other travel, etc. -- and lump into that the reality that politicians do NOT have the same luxuries that the common man has to bend the laws occasionally (that's right -- they should be held to a higher standard than the average Joe), and you have a pretty fucked up situation no matter how you look at it -- even if you look at it through the new glasses that I see some trying to use -- that of the idea that this was a Republican conspiracy to disgrace this person....
The front cover of this week's New York Magazine.
The didn't sugar coat it, did they? ROFLMAO!
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r8er55
17 March 2008, 17:18
Damn........LMAO!
SOTB
6 November 2008, 17:35
Looks like he doesn't face any sort of prosecution.
I really think that is uncool. Politicians should be held to a higher standard of abiding by the laws, simply because. If that seems unfair, yeah -- but I'm not defending it's fairness. I do see the logic behind the defense's argument but again, it would be a moot argument under my criteria.
Before anyone misunderstands me, I don't believe in laws restricting prostitution or sexual conduct of any nature -- except those where obviously it is abuse -- ie, rape, minors, etc. I do think that if "X" is illegal, that politicians should be hammered if they violate that law (hammered means more than losing a job).
Anyway, OH WELL (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/06/AR2008110602176.html?hpid=moreheadlines)....
RGR.Montcalm
6 November 2008, 18:15
The club's Web site shows a fee schedule of $1,000 per hour for a three-diamond prostitute and $3,100 per hour for a seven-diamond prostitute. Members of the exclusive Icon Club could reach restricted areas of the Web site and schedule appointments with the highest prostitutes, whose fees started at $5,500 per hour, the press release reads.
Must be some gold lined stuff :D
Damn! beat me to it!
When i made the comment that all women were sitting on a gold mine, I never thought it was ACTUAlly TRUE!?!?!
Even my preverted mind can't wrap around paying $5,500 for an hour of sex with ANYONE...
Tracker275
7 November 2008, 01:39
NEWS FLASH!!!
This just out....Spitzer has recently gotten into the movie business....
grappler
7 November 2008, 09:21
I'd like to re-post what SOTB said, as I again, got a good laugh out of it this morning.:D Just for laughs...
Dude, you are naked, ramming your shlong in one of her orifices, and probably moaning/grunting/or just plain breathing heavy all over her -- there should be NOTHING you want or do that should embarrass you after all that.
Chicks need to understand that guys want porn sex too -- even if it involves laying down a base of plastic lining across the floor, breaking out a couple of bottles of baby-oil, and playing naked Twister with her and her best HOT girlfriend. Bottom line, there isn't a thing I'm embarrassed to ask the chick I'm with to do -- hey the way I see it, she has probably already seen my asshole in the mirror on the ceiling of our tacky hotel -- after a potential sighting of a dingleberry what else could one do to be worried about?
Bravo Five Romeo
7 November 2008, 09:41
Damn! beat me to it!
When i made the comment that all women were sitting on a gold mine, I never thought it was ACTUAlly TRUE!?!?!
Even my preverted mind can't wrap around paying $5,500 for an hour of sex with ANYONE...It's all relative.
A millionaire spending a few thousand for sex with a hot escort is relatively as much out of his pocket as a regular Joe spending twenty bucks.
Unfortunately, if a regular Joe wants to drop twenty bucks on a prostitute, she's not going to look like the one that cost a few thousand.
RGR.Montcalm
7 November 2008, 09:47
Hell, I STILL purchase the services of at least two of those categories (1 and 3) for clients and for influencing people.
Bottom line, hookers are nice people too....:D:D
How do you become one of your preferred customers?!?!?!?!?:eek::D
RGR.Montcalm
7 November 2008, 10:01
Then consider the minority you are in +1, because I also believe in them, follow them, and will not break them.
Maybe that could bumped up to 3?
33.5 years together
30 years married
Hard? Youbetchyourfuckingassitsgoddamedhard!
Do I look at other women? Damned right- just cause you're on a diet doesn't mean you can't look at the menu...:D anyone that says they don't is lying through their teeth JMHO...
Does she look? YEP, and probably figuring out how she will spend the insurance money...;)
SOTB
7 November 2008, 10:06
How do you become one of your preferred customers?You just have to pay on time. That or be in a position to help one of my other clients out. :D
On a serious note, there are places in this world (including the good 'ol US of A) where sending a Hickory Farms sausage & cheese basket is appreciated. Well, some people aren't into pepperoni and cheddar. For those people, a brunette who will chew on the client's earlobe while keeping her hands occupied at polar opposites of his/her body can be an alternative....
RGR.Montcalm
7 November 2008, 10:15
No, the visual that goes with it makes you a Fag. Fag.
:D
I got no visual on this end!
No that makes you a virtual porn watcher...;)
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