BODYARMOR

[DocHabu]

Hey guys I was just wondering, is Level III the norm, or do departments dictate what level of armor their officers can where? The reason I ask is I was talking to one of the DOD officers for the base I work on and he said that they are not allowed to where the chicken plate insert. This is the best place I know for a wide range of experience and different departments. I have too say that I hope you gents tell me that Level II is the exception to the rule and not the norm. Thanx in advance.
v/r
Doc

[RogueExec]

Doc, it will ultimately depend on department budgets, but I have seen more Level III than anything else. It's nice to see that officer safety is again becoming a factor in the minds of the bean counters.

[bd]

Doc,

The minimum level you need to wear should stop the ammunition you have in your sidearm. I personally wouldn't say that level III is the norm, but it offers the most protection in soft armor. Once you start going into level VI, that's where the ceramic starts.

Take care and be safe,

BD

[Sharky]

Heh heh, you mean level IV don't you? Just kidding my bro. I wear a IIA Second Chance with a softpak and 2 chicken plates. My IIA will stop anything the level III will stop and weighs less and is cooler in the summer. That's alot more important in my current line of work than it was when I was riding around in my Crown Vic. I wear 2 chicken plates because I seem to be a fuckin shots fired magnet although they haven't managed to hit me yet.

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[mdb23]

Level IIA all the way.

"I ain't got time to bleed."

mdb23

[bd]

hehehe... yea, level IV. Sorry, I made a mistype there... it's Sharky's SWAT Bricks that are VI. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

[MARK92A]

Guy,

Are you implying Military Humvees are bullet resistant?? Only the MP models are, but the new M1113's and M1114's.. Now they may stop bullets. Hell, they even have AC..

[USMCSNIPERONE]

The Guys I hang with at the Dept. near here
have all taken there "chicken plates" out,
because they heard of an Officer getting hit
by a .22 under his chin after the rnd
bounced off his chicken plate.

I would like to here what the rest of you
LE guys think about that.
I did some testing after they told me about it.
I now use a1/16th stainless plate in mine .
it is tough enough to stop anything .380 and
under before it hits kevlar but also gives
enough to dent and prevent riccochets of
a .22 .
I carry a 10mm Glock stuffed with Corbons,
but I haven't tried that load on a old vest yet.
Mine is level III ,but thats only because
thats what the
local PD Swat Team gave me for helping
there snipers pro bono.
Don't leave home without it!

be safe!
Semper fi Sniperone






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[DocHabu]

Hey bd, take your bricks over to that other string http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif, it's looks like it's about to code again http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/tongue.gif. Just wanted to say thanx for the posts, I have to admit that I screwed up on my original question though. When I said the DoD officers weren't allowed inserts that was wrong, they are just not issued them but can buy them if wanted. I also noticed this morning going into the gate that while the DoD guys have armor on that none of the Navy MP's did. I guess that since they only do base security for three years they're not worth the investment from the navies point of view. My neighbor is one of the MP's so I'm going to ask him tonight. Anyway thanx again, stay safe and keep you heads down.
v/r
Doc

[Sharky]

Thanks Guy, but you know they aint never gonna get me. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif If by some chance they do, I promise that there will be a large pile of your amigos all around my dead ass.

As far as chicken plates go, well, lets just say that I don't wear it because I'm worried about a .22. It's those rifle rounds that concern me.

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[Tracy]

I will grace this thread with one of my original sayings:

There's only one bullet with your name on it, there's a thousand other ones that are addressed "To Whom It May Concern".

I recommend Level III with the AK-47 soft insert. I wore a Level IV 2 1/2 years; sucked and couldn't run far, but I could take a lickin' and keep on tickin'.

You may quote me (remember, there's two s's in a**hole). Hey, it worked for grllcop...


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[Sharky]

Originally posted by Tracy:
There's only one bullet with your name on it, there's a thousand other ones that are addressed "To Whom It May Concern

Uhhh, Tracy, if you happen to find one floating around with my name on it could you FED-EX it to me so I can put it in a safe deposit box or something? That sure would be nice to be able to stop wearing this damn vest all the time. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif


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[grrlcop74]

The norm around here is a IIA vest. At my old dept., we were issued hard trauma plates, but I was leery of wearing mine. The ol' "bullet in the chin" urban myth USMC mentioned above looks like it might be completely feasible with the plate made for a chick vest, since it's bent like a "V". But it adds a cup size!! LOL And while guys have like 2 measurements to worry about it, it takes a custom fitting at Victoria's Secret to get a chick vest the right size. My old LT threatened to post my measurements on the wall, the bastard. I told him to put 2 inches beside the "nipple to top of duty belt" measurement. MWAHAHAHA. My last vest was a hand-me-down from a former female officer while mine was on order. I'm 5'6, 135, and doing alright in the chest region (if I do say so myself), and she was 5'2 and flat chested. Damn thing fit like a sports bra.

Kristen

[Augie]

What Sharky, Your not Wearing Your issued Unicor Armor? Made by our loyal Federal Inmates.

I'm shocked!

[jnc36rcpd]

Prince George's County (MD) PD did some fairly extensive testing on the hard trauma plate issue. While it's not a likely event, it is certainly possible depending upon the angle of deflection. Consider, for example, a proned out suspect suddenly firing up at you or a perpetrator shooting from beneath a stairwell as you're coming down the stairs. I think grrlcop's point about female vests is certainly valid as well.

That being said, I have never heard of a documented case of this actually happening. If anyone knows of one, please post. Thanks and be safe.

[DocHabu]

Kristen you should think about becoming a WJTS 44 girl http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif. Sounds like you would fit in http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif.

[grrlcop74]

What the hell is a WJTS 44 girl? I don't usually watch that channel...but somehow I am frightened...LOL

Kristen

[DocHabu]

Well I was thinking about saying that you would probably make a good Sammy's Angel, but decided not to. And the WJTC girls host testosterone movies on saturday afternoon.

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[DCH]

grrlcop,

..or maybe the sight of two spare .44 mag bullets protruding from your uniform, might just be enough to scare the suspect into submission..or put him in a boob-induced-trance? ( .44 ) .44 )

http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif
-DCH

[Mantracker]

On our department we are issued "point Blank" IIA's. I went out and purchased a Level III. I've worn it for over 2 years now and have gotten use to it. It was a pain initially but now it is very comfortable to wear. I even wear it ot Brown's games in the winter for extra insulation(yes for protection too). Level III's have gotten exponentially better at comfort within the last 2 years. Try on a "Second Chance" or "Safariland" and you'll feel the difference.

[Sharky]

Originally posted by Augie:
What Sharky, Your not Wearing Your issued Unicor Armor? Made by our loyal Federal Inmates.

I'm shocked!

Negative ghostrider. Luckily they took those pieces of crap away and gave us choices between Second Chance, ABA, Safariland and a couple of others. I have the Second Chance 8th Generation thing. Cant even remember what it's called but they just came out with it last year. It's the next generation after the Monarch series. I'm quite satisfied with it. Good to hear from you.



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[grrlcop74]

Originally posted by DCH:
grrlcop,..or maybe the sight of two spare .44 mag bullets protruding from your uniform, might just be enough to scare the suspect into submission..or put him in a boob-induced-trance? ( .44 ) .44 )-DCH

Or as my tshirt says, "Talk to the barrel 'cause the cop ain't listenin'"

Kristen

[Watsy]

I was issued a Point Blank female version...
It had no contours for my chest...I went out
and bought a Second Chance with my own cash
what a diffence...they are the best...It is
custom made to your measurements...

[grrlcop74]

Yeah ours were Second Chance. Got a steal on a 7th gen IIA vest with 2 carriers for like $300 from Miami Police Supply.

Kristen

[Erick]

For concealable vests, II & IIA seems to be the norm locally. Some of wear the newer IIIA's, which are getting pretty light & flexible. For more serious work, it's III and the hard plates are optional.

A thought on the trauma plates in concealable vests...
An incoming round may or may not ricochet upward off the plate. However, how much blunt trauma protection will the new "soft plates/ inserts" give against steering columns? Or knives?
I'll stick with that hard 5"x8" insert on the off chance that I'm more likely to wreck my car. We had one of our guys take a light pole head on, some years back, at 50mph. The insert had a perfect impression of the center of the steering wheel / column. Granted, pre air bag, but it made a big impression on me.

[Watsy]

The bottome line is you wear it everytime you go out the door. Period!!!!!!!!

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[bd]

Guy,

You may need to round us up some backup in here. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

BD

[FLTCREW1]

Originally posted by bd:
You may need to round us up some backup in here

Did someone call for assistance? LOL



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[Curtis Newkirk]

We get issued this nice little level III from U.S. Armor. It's only about 10lbs (until you add the 30lbs Chicken plate). It doesn't have one for the back. I guess uncle suger figures that if you have your back turned, you're runnin', and deserve to be shot. The plate is rated for a single 7.62. Unfortunatly, They have been known to travel in groups.

[DCH]

Guy,

"Standed there like a retard"?..

That could have costed you your life?!

(take it light bro.)
-DCH

[RECON5]

Originally posted by grrlcop74:
it takes a custom fitting at Victoria's Secret to get a chick vest the right size.
Kristen[/B]

So that is when you saw me at the Thong table.....

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[Watsy]

Recon,

Are thongs the preferable Body Armor issued
in Texas??? If so what is the standard issue
color??? OD/Woodland/Black???

On a side bar
- How do you like them??? Now be
honest we are listening...

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That is quite different from being rash.
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[bd]

Originally posted by Watsy:


Recon,

Are thongs the preferable Body Armor issued
in Texas??? If so what is the standard issue
color??? OD/Woodland/Black???

On a side bar
- How do you like them??? Now be
honest we are listening...



He wears desert camo...it gets too damn hot here in the summer.

Recon, you best be careful til more support shows up here. LMAO.

BD

[Watsy]

On a very serious note -
MP5's what is the vest needed to actually
stop that round...I have read the numbers
but any (real world) empirical data, that your could point me towards...Websites etc. other than the obvious manufactures data?
http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/eek.gif Watsy

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That is quite different from being rash.
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[grrlcop74]

I have it on GOOD authority that Recon's thongs have that cute little elephant face, complete with trunk, on the front. You can tell which way he's dressing in his little blue polyester hookah pants.

Recon, don't give out all of our little V's Secret secrets...or I'm not going to sneak you in the dressing room again!!! Oh the fun that can be had with that padded bench and rail up high on the wall.....sigh.... http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/tongue.gif

Kristen

[RECON5]

Well BD, you have your version, but you know I have to be the gentlemen, as Kristen has suggested so sorry guys. I can't kiss and tell. Dawm those dressing room sessions would command loyaltly from the Pope.

Watsy - Not standard issue, but for those of us, who have elevated ourselves to a higher position of pogueness they are preferred with Black being the color of choice. Take a while to get used to, but once your there you will never go back....LOL

(for those not familiar with the term pogue I will translate. Commonly used term to describe Detective/Investigator ect. also see Office Pogue........)

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[Watsy]

http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif I can just picture that...Oh if only someone had a picture of that ha...Kristen what do you think???

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[grrlcop74]

I'll make a pic just for you Watsy next time he's cuffed to that dressing room rail...mwahahahaha!!!!!

Kristen
"Could we be any more full of shit??"

[Marauder]

God Gawd, now there's two of 'em. I think you guys should splurge and upgrade to Class IV, cause I'm feeling pretty confident in saying that it might be the only thing that saves you boys from these two. Y'all have fun up in he-ya.
<pops smoke>
<jumps on extraction chopper>
So long guys! Hope ya make it to the other side!

[Watsy]

Kristen I think he would love 16 x 20's blow
up, all over his office... in cuffs...Maybe we could get him to put on the desert storm
thong while you are at it...What do you think
you know HIM best...
-watsy

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That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[grrlcop74]

16x20??!! Ohmigod it would be...HUGE!! The pic, that is. And I don't know if desert camo is the best look for him...after all, we don't want to HIDE anything, do we, my wittle recon schnookums? http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/tongue.gif

Kristen

[Curtis Newkirk]

Does anyone make body armor with pasties? A riding crop would be a nice touch.

[RECON5]

Kristen.....do what you will, I only ask that preserve my humility...::sniff, sniff::

<having flash back of Kristen with riding crop> ::"who's your momma....SAY MY NAME"::

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[Watsy]

Does anyone have an answer to my question
about the "MP5"???
Not to reck the mood of Kristen and
Recon with a riding crop etc., etc, etc...
http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif
Come on lads...you operators...S/F guys, this list is long but to name a few...
1026,guyjones,newkirk,recon,tactical,tracy,
dsumner,anaconda,twking,sharky...I can't mention all you guys...
Just try for a second to get your mind off Kristen...I am begging... http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/tongue.gif


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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
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[Watsy]

Thanks Recon5...Your the best great email...
I will tell Kristen to go easy on you for
being such a "Good Boy" to me...Maybe we
can get her to use a "pink padded" riding
crop for YOUR pleasure!!! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif
Watsy

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[Curtis Newkirk]

I got this really strange picture in my head.
Watsy and Girl Cop wearing nothing but old Vietnam style Flak Vests, helmets, and Spike heeled combat boots, in a dungon, spankin' the hell out of some poor (lucky?) bastard.
It's a sick world(fortunatly, or we'd all be out of work).
Watsy,
come on, post a picture.

"Defensor Brewus"
Defender of the Beer

[Curtis Newkirk]

I just realized that I shouldn't post things like that with my name on them. Somebody come up with a good pen name.

[Tracy]

Originally posted by Curtis Newkirk:

I just realized that I shouldn't post things like that with my name on them. Somebody come up with a good pen name.


Chogie Boy?

[Watsy]

As I drove around in my Crown Vic tonight, I have images dancing of Chogie Boy in fur lined.... cuffs...

I believe that is a "Name" fit for a man capable of encountering the Haagen Dazs Twins... Just close your eyes and imagine
The "Twins" both of Irish ancestry...strong of mind and body...willing and able to engage
Men on a daily basis without batting an eyelash...

Unless ofcourse it is OUR knight in shining armor "Recon5"...

Again close your eyes and imagine OUR
knight...aka Recon5 in his ceremonial Black
Thong befitting his title His Pogueness...

I will leave you with your own thoughts...
sweet dreams...Svetlana one of the
The Haagen Dazs Twins...
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That is quite different from being rash.
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[Curtis Newkirk]

Chogie?
Tracy, you calling me quick? Damn, women really do talk don't they.

I've gone from Nuke, to Nuck (short for Knuckle Fu*ker), to OB (short for Office Bitch)

I got it. IceCream Man

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[Sharky]

You people are SICK! SICK I SAY! I never....well.....nevermind....shut up wench....don't say it.

Watsy, to my knowledge the MP5 is chambered in 9mm, 10mm and .40 caliber. A level IIA will easily stop all the above mentioned rounds. Remember that an MP5 is a SUB-machine gun. It shoots pistol rounds, not rifle rounds.

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[grrlcop74]

Originally posted by Sharky:
You people are SICK! SICK I SAY! I never....well.....nevermind....shut up wench....don't say it.

<laughing maniacally> I don't have to say it..I'm thinking it, you KNOW I'm thinking it, and that's enough http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/tongue.gif!

Kristen

[Helga]

Svetty!!! My zistah!! Deez boyz are not giving you trouble, are dey? Recon, you pooh-pooh head, do not taunt poor Svetty. She iz more woman zan you know what to do wif. You have not had a real woman until you have had one of dee HaagenDazs girls, no? <shoving Recon's head into ample bosoms> Zat will teach you!! Now you try to breef, you naughty naughty boy!! <flexing>

Helga
<posing down>

Next, the jello wrestling!!

[RECON5]

http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif What a way to go................

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[Svetlana]

Helga,
That was too good for dare ol' Sharky...The
Finboy knows all...I can see from the position of his "FIN" he's a bit jealous of
HIS Poqueness...Ofcourse now it is your
mission to rectify that should you choose to...
As always I am here to offer COVER and Back
up at a moments notice... http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

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[bd]

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[Svetlana]

Cover and Back up is a literal term:
I will back up on him and sit on him with
my large strong body...Finboy will go NO
Where...I promise...
Svetty to the rescue... http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

[TMU]

LMMFAO! This thread is f*ckin' outta control! I like it!!!

Hey Helga & Svetty! I got what ya want! With my Czech heritage, I'd be right in my element! I have no problem breathing while surrounded by "ample bosoms"! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

[Svetlana]

Helga,
We have a problem bd seems to be in cardiac
arrest did you see his message...Do you think
that's his EKG when he thinks about us Twins?
Or do you think we should nominate him for
the "Golden Tweezers Award"...(since his you
know what's are so "small" he has to hide
behind that chicken scratch...Afraid to tell
two little Gals (only a combined wt. of 845
lbs) what he really thinks... http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif
Svetty

[bd]

thump-thump ... thump-thump ... thump-thump ...

Haha! You are but an amatuer.

http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/sex.gif

(Recon...I can use backup anytime bro.)

[Curtis Newkirk]

Can anyone get into the Hollywood thread? I think maybe 10 is the limit. I can't even bring the damned thing up (I don't want to hear it Svetty).

[dragonrain]

(sneaking in)

Its still active Curtis.

(sneaking out)

[Svetlana]

Curtis...
Sounds like a personal problem...
I have seen it before...I would expect more
from YOU... http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

[Curtis Newkirk]

I got it up now. It's not way up, but it's up. Who said everything is bigger in Texas? Then again, maybe that's why they sent me to Korea.
I still got one hell of a snorkle.
Ménage a Dive?

[Curtis Newkirk]

Sevtlana,
Your profile says you'll eat anything smaller than you......That'd be me.

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[RECON5]

BD - You should have known better than make a post like that with twin monitoring Bro... Don't worry with the scenery you have on a daily basis I wouldn't think you would give those remarks much thought at all......or was that little blonde on your lap the other night just a mirage?????????????????

Curtis......they put you in Korea to keep out of harms way of the twins............hear tell they could change a man's religion.

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[Curtis Newkirk]

I'm not going to let this thread die. It started out scanky, lets keep it alive, with no socially redeeming value.

[bd]

Originally posted by RECON5:
BD - You should have known better than make a post like that with twin monitoring Bro... Don't worry with the scenery you have on a daily basis I wouldn't think you would give those remarks much thought at all......or was that little blonde on your lap the other night just a mirage?????????????????


I ought to post a pic of my little "mirage" here. The best pick of all the "scenery" at my disposal... LOL!

I don't worry about that double-team as long as you got my six.

Now, as for Curtis, he's inviting trouble here it looks like. We may need reinforcements. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

BD

[Helga]

Alvright Svetty...do you vant bd or Recon? I zink dee Texas boyz want a little..well you know..how you say, "rumble in zee jungle"? And no "going deep into zee bush" jokes please, boys...especially zat little hussy Curtis.

Helga
"just more woman to love"

[Curtis Newkirk]

My goal was more women to love, but I guess I can settle for more WOMAN. By the way, anyone ever wonder why 95% of the pervs on this thread are from Texas (and where were all these freaky girls when I was growing up?).

[bd]

Damn, I am speechless.

Curtis, we just got our fair share here in Texas (Recon can vouch for my newfound good fortune). Just remember, with these types, you best practice "safe sex"...

http://www.boortz.com/safesex.gif

BD



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[Svetlana]

Helga...I want BD -------
He's seems very intersting since he will not
tell us what that chicken scratch said...
I like secretive men once you get them in
BED all the secrets are out...If you know what I mean...Help how do we capture this
Mirage boy????????????? He seems to play it
very safe???

[Svetlana]

Curtis it is obvious that you have been
playing in the wrong sand box...Close your
eyes and imagine...All will come to you...
If you feel a great pressure on your chest
it is only Helga or myself checking on your
well being...

[Curtis Newkirk]

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[RECON5]

Newkirk it is one thing to try and impress the twins with a gig that has already been done. It is another to do it so that it has to be manually translated because the skippy little program BD sent will not catch all the characters.

Yes, BD if you want them to know the truth...
I will tell............ The chicken scratch was not intentional. See he was trying to reply on this page, while this little blonde was sitting in his lap...and....well...things got out of hand. SOMETHING kept bumping the keyboard and there you have the chicken scratch. Those are not breaks in text. They are actually the shifting of positions......
atleast that is what she said when I ask why he would not answer the phone. Gives a whole new meaning to Cybersex.............


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[Tracy]

Don't you ding-a-lings have some soccer moms to arrest or something?

Shot, over.

[TMU]

Originally posted by Curtis Newkirk:
By the way, anyone ever wonder why 95% of the pervs on this thread are from Texas (and where were all these freaky girls when I was growing up?)

Hey, now! I resemble that remark! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

Curtis, I hear ya, bro! I never could find any of these freaky chicks when I was growing up, either.

[grrlcop74]

Originally posted by Tracy:
Don't you ding-a-lings have some soccer moms to arrest or something?

Shot, over.

Nope..this is pretty much all I have to do with my day <whistling> lalalalalalala....

Kristen

[RECON5]

Like I told the lady, who said "You should be out catching rapist, robbers, and murders.."

"Yep, I should, but this is so much safer"

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[TMU]

Kristen, if you're not too busy, I've got something you can help me with! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

[bd]

Originally posted by Tracy:
Don't you ding-a-lings have some soccer moms to arrest or something?

Shot, over.

Naaah. Just sit out by the lake and watch their daughters. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

BD

[RogueExec]

...or their sons. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

[Tracy]

At least practice good hygiene and wash before using the keyboard...

[RogueExec]

Roger that, Chief!

<<applying the anti-bacterial hand gel>>

[RECON5]

Originally posted by Tracy:
At least practice good hygiene and wash before using the keyboard...


That is why I stock up on those latex gloves.....

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[RogueExec]

C'mon man......we all KNOW why you stock up on those dang latex gloves. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

Did I miss something? Was someone bashing TX? I just scanned my lane before coming back in, so I may have missed the original flame.

[WBRCRT]

about 6 months ago i took an old level 2 vest that belonged to a retired PO that had been in his shed for approx. 4 years (after retirement-he wore it for 8 years prior) and it was partially wet from rainwater and the elastic straps had long since rotted off. I brought it to our range and put it through a rigorous testing process. (shot everything in my unit at it) and was surprised at the results.I shot a 22, 9mm,40cal,45cal and 12ga at it and it swallowed them all. Ball/ Hydroshock/hollowpoint handgun/ slug/00buck shotgun. I would hate to be wearing it during the 12ga slug test but it did take it. The second 12ga slug shot was at the upper edge of the shock plate and it split the plate and drove the edge of the plate into my CPR dummy who volunteered to wear the vest. The vest did take every round even though the 12ga slug and 00buck did make possibly fatal indentions in my crash test dummy.

[grrlcop74]

Hey WBR where are you at in LA? I'm over in Mobile.

Kristen

[REMF]

OK, I almost hate to keep this thing on original topic, but our unit is getting Second Chance Level 2 Monarchs. For measuring purposes, they say go 1" above the service belt. Would that be roughly the same for a web belt? I'm guessing it would be, but I figured some of you would know for sure from using both.

Thanks,
REMF

[Paintman]

http://www.nlectc.org/txtfiles/selectapp.html

Interesting read for those wishing to learn more about body armor.

Chris

[grrlcop74]

Yeah REMF...to accomodate for when you're sitting down. If the vest is too long, it will bump on your duty belt and get rather uncomfortable.

Kristen

[RogueExec]

I imagine it would be quite a bit MORE uncomfortable for YOU, eh Pimptress??

[grrlcop74]

Yeah because it pushes everything up and my chin ends up sitting on my boobs. Not unlike one of those add-8-cup-sizes-watch-him-get-really-disappointed-when-it-comes-off Miracle Bras which I refuse to wear. Tissue has worked just fine for years.

Kristen

[RogueExec]

Originally posted by grrlcop74:
Tissue has worked just fine for years.

Kristen

Handy for cold and flu season too, I suspect.

[RECON5]

Rogue....LMAO- Keeping with tradition I see in the last few post, and too keep with usual standards I must say....

Drop the TP Kristen. I subscribe to the "more than a mouthfull is a waist" theory.

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[grrlcop74]

Actually I don't have a problem in that..uh..department, but I'll marry you just for the spirit of the statement anyway LOL.

Kristen

[Watsy]

Originally posted by RECON5:
Rogue....LMAO- Keeping with tradition I see in the last few post, and too keep with usual standards I must say....

Drop the TP Kristen. I subscribe to the "more than a mouthfull is a waist" theory.

Then you have NOT really LIVED...You know
you have to much in that department when
you are shooting from the hip and your
Sig's hammer bites you on the right one...As a result...You must request to get OFF the line to check if there's any damage... http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif


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[REMF]

Best line I've heard on the "more than a mouthful" theory:

My youngest boy's godmother is an ADA in the Bronx. She is to say the least, a well endowed ass kicker. From a distance, we used to give her hell that in the Bronx, a breast is only the right size if it is able to clog a toilet.

As for her ability to intimidate, she's sitting in her car one day, a guy comes up to her window and tells her he has a gun and he's going to rape her. She looks at him, says "Let me see your damn gun". When he starts hemming and hawing (with obviously no weapon) she starts to get out as she tells the guy "I'm gonna kick your ass". The guy books a couple blocks, she follows him with her car, he ducks in an apartment building and gets lost.

Now that I think about it, this sound almost like something Kristen or Watsy would do, up to the point where the guy gets away. I'm sure if it was one of them, the guy would either be a screaming hood ornament or a bullet sponge by the end of the story. Feel free to mentally picture your own happy ending.

[RECON5]

Originally posted by grrlcop74:
I'll marry you just for the spirit of the statement anyway LOL.

Kristen

Well, I have learned here recently that marriage is an institution not too different from a penal institution.............but I have no problem with "living in sin".


WATSY - I think you just wanted to GET OFF...
of the line of course.



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[grrlcop74]

Is there any other way to live, Recon? And REMF you can be assured he wouldn't have gotten away, and I would have taken care of him in a manner that would have caused me the least amount of paperwork.

Kristen

[Watsy]

Recon - The Living in Sin is GREAT...
I love the concept of the Institution of Marriage...Now that I am divorced and dating
I have a theory - the guy can come over and
play slap and tickle...He can have a couple
of dresser drawers but he must go home at some point...

The bullet proof vest stays of the couch next to the bed and the flashlite/recharger screwed into the bed rail are NOT negotiable things that can be changed...If that does not send him running...there's a chance we might hit it off...

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That is quite different from being rash.
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[bd]

Originally posted by Watsy:
The bullet proof vest stays of the couch next to the bed and the flashlite/recharger screwed into the bed rail are NOT negotiable things that can be changed...If that does not send him running...there's a chance we might hit it off...


Oooolala!

[RogueExec]

Originally posted by RECON5:
marriage is an institution not too different from a penal institution...


That's PENILE institution, bro. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

DA ROGUE

[RECON5]

Originally posted by Watsy:
come over and
play slap and tickle...He can have a couple
of dresser drawers but he must go home at some point...

The problem in Texas is called "Common Law Marriage" depending on which lawyer you talk to as little as one weekend can cost you
HALF.................. No thanks. We can play then she slap and tickle her cute little butt out the door after the weekend, and keep her duffle bag handy cause I have given up my dresser drawers for the last time.


The bullet proof vest stays of the couch next to the bed and the flashlite/recharger screwed into the bed rail are NOT negotiable things that can be changed...If that does not send him running...there's a chance we might hit it off...


For a woman like you I would let you mount the spare charger on the side of my bed so you would have one on the weekends.....

Daaaammmmmm........ on the re-read my bitterness is really showing.............

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[RogueExec]

Originally posted by RECON5:
Daaaammmmmm........ on the re-read my bitterness is really showing.............



Actually, I thought you were being a bit too lenient, but......that's just Da Rogue.

Why must I be like that, why must I chase the cat???

[Watsy]

Recon,
This too will pass, all you need is a nice "diversion"...Forget all the money it's
going to cost you and focus on being "FREE
and HAPPY"...That's the bottom line, no more
"mother may I" crap...Just Live life like its
your last day every day...It is a wonderful
way to approach life...And remember that's why God gave us TWO wonderful hands...

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[Watsy]

Originally posted by RogueExec:
Da Rogue.

Why must I be like that, why must I chase the cat???



Rogue,
Why it's human nature...Your drive to...
I think Kristen could address that better...



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[RECON5]

Originally posted by Watsy:
And remember that's why God gave us TWO wonderful hands...


You have got to be kidding.....in this target rich enviroment I live in......I just have to hold out until the ink is on the paper...not neccessarily dry. Call it personal conviction. I would jeopardize alot of things, but my Integrity is not one of them.......of course that is probably what got me here in the first place.


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[Watsy]

Originally posted by RECON5:
You have got to be kidding.....in this target rich enviroment I live in......I just have to hold out until the ink is on the paper... but my Integrity is probably what got me here in the first place.


<<Cut and Paste by WATSY>>

Recon,
Integrity and Honor are all we got!!!
I know you will do JUST fine...Think of all
the things you can do once the John Hancock
is on the paper...That should keep you steady
until D day...

Rememeber it does not matter how wonderful they are tell them to pack their trash and get out...

Research the laws and find out what the actual time frame is for Common Law down
their...Knowledge is Power...



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That is quite different from being rash.
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[RogueExec]

Originally posted by RECON5:
of course that is probably what got me here in the first place.




Roger that!!! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

[Watsy]

Recon,
If you are okay...Do a bd...
chicken scratch so we know you are okay...

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[RECON5]

IT IS ALIVE.........-- - .--...---..-.-.-.??

Watsy - It ain't my honor that is suffering right now..LOL, but thanks for the words of encouragement. You ability to read between the lines, and "intuition" are truely a credit.

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[bd]

Originally posted by Watsy:
Recon,
If you are okay...Do a bd...
chicken scratch so we know you are okay...



Watsy,

He's just sandbaggin' as usual. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif Just kidding bro'.

BD

[Watsy]

Recon,
So glad you are back...WE care...remember
to be able to laugh at yourself it is VERY,
Very, VERY important...Life is about seasons and we have the ability to adapt if we choose...to...Go For it...Life is wonderful...Enjoy and embrace it...

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[RECON5]

Watsy - Why should I laugh at myself.....I can just go up the road and laugh evertime I see BD.....Oh sorry bro, had to do it. Sand bagging....HHHHMMMMM a few weeks ago, who was sand bagging. What a couple of weeks till the next match.....Remember "Second Place is the first looser."
DDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Watsy]

OKAY...

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[RECON5]

Sorry Watsy - just saw your response and re-read my post.... that bone was pitched at BD not you. If I do not get him sufficiently driven up prior to the next pistol match he can not function properly...LOL


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[RogueExec]

Dang, RECON.....you've got both cop chiqs on your tip, bro........you need to school me.

http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

[RECON5]

Originally posted by RogueExec:
Dang, RECON.....you've got both cop chiqs on your tip, bro........you need to school me.

http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

You don't want me schooling you......... You might obtain the mere appearance of being
"da man" on a computer, but once it is turned off so are you..........Terrible thing. It's not like I am missing teeth or you can't see my belt buckle....Cursed dammit cursed I tell you.



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[RogueExec]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RECON5:
You might obtain the mere appearance of being
"da man" on a computer

Humility, bro??? Kinda out of character. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

but once it is turned off so are you

You speak truth.

Terrible thing. It's not like I am missing teeth or you can't see my belt buckle....Cursed dammit cursed I tell you.

Or possibly blessed, depending on which portion of the US you go to.....


ROGUE

[bd]

Rogue...

It's Texas...he's cursed. We're not sure why.

-BD

[RogueExec]

I get the feeling that the curse is NOT limited to certain states. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

As long as he doesn't start getting thinner and thinner and thinner........

[RECON5]

BD - Not everyone can sit around and type there replies to this board with a "barely legal" blonde in there lap........LOL

Come to think of it........I have been loosing some weight.......

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[RogueExec]

Actually, I heard that a Snohomish County deputy tried that (barely legal blonde) up here and now the department has a slot for a new deputy.

[RECON5]

Why is that Rogue.....The poor smuck leave the Department for a good looking blonde, and better paying job. LOL

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[Watsy]

I think life boils down to <<great>> sex and
money...everything else is icing on the cake...
Think about all the calls we go to...
SEX and MONEY !!!

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[RECON5]

Originally posted by Watsy:
I think life boils down to <<great>> sex and money...everything else is icing on the cake...


Now it all makes sense. It has been so long since I have had GREAT sex, and in this job I will never have the money...... and they wonder why cops have the highest suicide rates.....dammit.

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[RogueExec]

Originally posted by Watsy:
I think life boils down to <<great>> sex and
money...everything else is icing on the cake...


There's so much I could do with that statement. Guess I'll defer to bd on this one. Go bro!

[Watsy]

Rogue,
I would expect more from YOU!!!
Suck it up and say what's on your mind...

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[bd]

Ok, I can see I need to impart some wisdom here... You need to remember it's not the years, it's the mileage. So yea, I admit, I may have high miles, but I guess she just likes a little older 'classic' better than a newer model. Hey, 21's old enough to go to the store alone... LOL!

Watsy, you gotta remember, when sex is great it's wonderful, and when it's bad it's still pretty good. You taunting these poor souls in here like you do just get's them all depressed. Just go easy on Rogue since he's got some slim choosings up in his part of the country. No offense Rogue, but the prettiest girl I've seen from WA was tatooed on some guys arm. Now RECON... hell, he's surrounded by opportunity...one of the best things about Texas. Just gotta re-teach the boy how to fish again, that's all (j/k bro...I know I'm going to swing for that remark).

LMAO as always -BD


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[Curtis Newkirk]

Well, I guess the best sex some guys are ever going to have will be with that girl tatooed to their arm. As for me, I think money is enough (you can always buy great sex). Money is not the root of all evil. It's that Purple communist bastard Barney. I think him and Tinky Winky (the little purple fag) are plotting to turn all people under the age of 5 into democrats.

[Watsy]

Curtis...I am so proud of you showing your
true colors...You are so twisted...I am glad you are back...Barney SUCKS...

<<Recon will be back in the saddle in no time
once the pen hits the paper...>>


<<Rogue with his bad attitude and mechanics
"crack"...I don't know he could be going down
quickly>>

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[RECON5]

Originally posted by Watsy:
<<Recon will be back in the saddle in no time
once the pen hits the paper...>>


BACK IN THE SADDLE....I just have to find a new one, and as BD eluded to I am in a VERY Target rich enviroment. As my little brother told me..."The chances of nailing the prom queen around here are real good, and the chances she will bring the runner up along with her are equally as good". Nothing like a little brother to help with moral.

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[WBRCRT]

[.."The chances of nailing the prom queen around here are real good, and the chances she will bring the runner up along with her are equally as good". Nothing like a little brother to help with moral.

"shoot...if you think I look good..you aught to see my little sister!!!!!!!!"

[WBRCRT]

..."The chances of nailing the prom queen around here are real good, and the chances she will bring the runner up along with her are equally as good". Nothing like a little brother to help with moral.

" If you think I look good...then you aught to see my little sister!!!!!!!"

[Watsy]

Recon,
Better to have one in hand than one in
the bush...If you have nuts you have dates...


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[RECON5]

Originally posted by Watsy:
Better to have one in hand than one in
the bush...If you have nuts you have dates...
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in the infamous words of my hero Doc Holiday
.....sort of "I have two nuts. One for the each of ya"....

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[RogueExec]

Originally posted by bd:

Just go easy on Rogue since he's got some slim choosings up in his part of the country. No offense Rogue, but the prettiest girl I've seen from WA was tatooed on some guys arm.
[This message has been edited by bd (edited 05-16-2001).]

Well, since I pay for mine, the choices are almost equal to anywhere that has a "strip" to cruise. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

[RogueExec]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Watsy:

<<Rogue with his bad attitude

Roger that.

and mechanics
"crack"...

Hey, I pull my pants up as often as I can, okay.

I don't know he could be going down
quickly>>

I'm on my way down, baby, just wait one.....got my snorkel and everything. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

[Watsy]

Rogue,
It appears from your posts today you are
definately on "TOP" of your game...come on
tell us what's up...you are just outrageous...

Get out the saw dust their bleeding and they
don't even know it...Go Rogue go...

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[RogueExec]

Originally posted by Watsy:
Rogue,
It appears from your posts today you are
definately on "TOP" of your game

Naaaaah. YOU'D have to be on top.

...come on
tell us what's up...you are just outrageous...

Everything I am I owe to Salter and Hazen. Interesting role models, eh?

Get out the saw dust their bleeding and they
don't even know it...

DAMMIT! Can't think of anything to do with that one.........I'm slipping. RECON? bd? 10-33.

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