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[DCH]

With the recent heightened threat of Shootings in the Public Schools, It would make sense that more School District Police and University Police Departments have and maintain dedicated tactical units to handle those threats? Are there more Special Response units on campuses than it appears or is that responsibility mainly on the city or county jurisdiction?

I can only think of a few depts. here in SoCal area that have SWAT type units that train regularly (if not frequently) to prepare themselves for countersniper, hostage rescue, and crisis negotiations incidents should these incidents occur.

The few depts. that I know of include;
-L.A. Unified School District Police
-Cal State Univ. Police
-East L.A. City College Police

-DCH

[grrlcop74]

DCH, it has been my experience with the campus police departments around here that budgets are tight and administration assholes are even tighter. The expenditure involved with maintaining a campus tac unit (even a part-time one) vice the chance of an actual call-out does not balance. Plus our local PD has a full-time tac unit, so they would be better trained and probably quicker to respond than a part-time campus one. I can't speak for other schools, but here the campus police are dictated to by a overly student-friendly administration. Don't want to upset the little frat boys or anything by giving them a ticket, let alone running around campus looking like Ninja Claus. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

Kristen

[Gunpoint]

LA Unified doesn't even have shoulder weapons, let alone a tactical team. LAPD SWAT (Metropolitain Division's D Platoon) handles any school-based tactical incidents.

As for the other two, I have no idea...

[Watsy]

School Violence was the reason I joined NTOA...as a matter of fact the Head of Univ.
of Californa/SRT..has a fabulous three day program addressing that...I just got it from
him last week in the mail...Why reinvent the
wheel...He was at the two shoots Santa Ana
and the other one...Great package...If you want his info email me and I will put you
in touch with him...


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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[jnc36rcpd]

I received the same lesson plan as Watsy did. I've looked at a lot of lesson plans in my time, but this is incredible. The officer has done a fantastic job putting together a program a trainer can use in his or her jurisiction with little modification.

1811, I thought shotguns were approved for LAUSD PD. Did that plan go sideways?

Be safe.

[Watsy]

Thanks for letting them KNOW this is a
FABULOUS plan and organization...wish I learned about NTOA a LLLLLLLLLOOONNNGGG time ago...
Nice to hear someone else feels that PLAN
is GREAT...too...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[RogueExec]

University of Washington has several tactical officers trained to handle SOME incidents, but when the merde hits le ventilateur it's the County that's door kickin'.



[This message has been edited by RogueExec (edited 05-07-2001).]

[Jeff Rambo]

Originally posted by DCH:
With the recent heightened threat of Shootings in the Public Schools, It would make sense that more School District Police and University Police Departments have and maintain dedicated tactical units to handle those threats? Are there more Special Response units on campuses than it appears or is that responsibility mainly on the city or county jurisdiction?

I can only think of a few depts. here in SoCal area that have SWAT type units that train regularly (if not frequently) to prepare themselves for countersniper, hostage rescue, and crisis negotiations incidents should these incidents occur.

The few depts. that I know of include;
-L.A. Unified School District Police
-Cal State Univ. Police
-East L.A. City College Police

-DCH



If the CSU System employees a tactical team, then they must work once a month, if at all.

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Sincerely,
Jeff Rambo
SOCNET Administrator
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jrambo@specialoperations.com

[MADMIK]

IIRC, OSU (Ohio State) has a SWAT team. I saw a picture of them "storming a library."
The trade group is the International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators http://www.iaclea.org/
http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Crime/Law_Enforcement/Law_Enforcement_Departments/Campus_Police/

[dsumner]

If I remember correctly, the University of Illinois has joint team with the local sheriff's dept.

I think USC, Berkley has a team also.

[Jeff Rambo]

There is however a CSU Northern California Critical Response Unit, which handles crod control, VIP protection and tactical & diaster responses.

[ski]

Please allow me to speak with some experience on this matter as a current state university Police Officer:

Most universities see having police departments as a double-edged sword...they want potential sources of revenue (sometimes called students) to see that they have a safe campus to live and learn at, BUT...most university administrators and faculty are VERY liberal and do not live on the same planet as the rest of us. They want to have a student arrested for looking at them wrong but certainly do not expect to have to listen to a police officer themselves. If you interrupt a class to arrest a student for a warrant, the faculty complains about the PD "disturbing the educational process." But they will think nothing of calling and asking the police to check that their coffee pot is off in their office or caling the police to a classroom and hanging up only to turn on the room lights because the police get there faster than the maintenance department. They are also the same people that immediately call 911 screaming because someone parked in the parking area, but won't call for two weeks to report a computer stolen by a vagrant they saw carrying the computer out of a building.
Shotguns were taken away after officers "frightened" people while responding to a holdup alarm at the cashier's office.
The chancellor of the university asked that we not handcuff people because it "looks like it might hurt." The very same chancellor wants a police officer to drive her all over the state for meetings and conferences "for her safety," even though we only have 20 officers and she has about 50 people in her office, plus she is given a car and has a valid drivers license.
Add wannabe Woodward and Bernsteins from the campus newspapers taking pictures of us everywhere we go of everything we do, local suburban municipal cops who think their shit don't stink because they go code 3 to everything, but don't realize we make more money than them and are almost all veteran big-city police officers who got sick of the ghetto, and a chief who is too afraid to tell anyone but his own officers "NO"...NOPE...we aint gettin' no SWAT training. Hell, we are trying to get new handguns as we speak to replace the 11 year old ones we have now.
Should have stayed in the big city...my own fault...sigh...

Ski

[Gunpoint]

That sucks.

[RogueExec]

Word.

[MADMIK]

More campus follies is at http://www.yaf.org/pubs/coursedescriptions.html
Left-wing liberals assholes are welcome. Right-wing conservatives are not welcome and need more protection.

[mdb23]

Originally posted by 1811:
That sucks.

.......in ways I can't imagine.

God bless the ghetto.

[ski]

Amen brothers and sisters...here's hoping the feds come through for me and my family...
"Please Lord Jesus, deliver me from this liberal hell. Know that I am truly sorry for leaving the ghetto in a quick rush of judgement and sinful haste. May a three or four letter federal agency accept my desire to join them in a land of better pay and pension. May I no longer have to unplug a Christmas tree in some boob's office at nine o'clock at night and answer calls about canadian geese disturbing an outdoor class session, while I am purportedly employed as a state police officer but in reality a janitor with a gun and arrest powers. Forgive me for cursing the 82nd East Coast Crips and the Blair Street Mafia for disturbing my free dinner by shooting each other and mistakenly wishing to be around "normal" people. But hey, the sorority bikini car wash fund raisers are not too bad... Amen"

Ski

[grrlcop74]

Originally posted by mdb23:
God bless the ghetto.



Amen!! I would rather work in Mobile's finest housing development, Orange Grove, than at the University of South Alabama anyday.

Kristen

[Watsy]

This months NTOA magazine addresses school
shootings in rural communities...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[RogueExec]

Originally posted by ski:
the sorority bikini car wash fund raisers are not too bad... Amen"

Ski

Up here, they only have the fraternity bikini car washes....they're not too well received.

[wstsidedet]

Dang, listening to yall talk about school makes me yearn for good old fashioned street violence. Mmmm, just like mom used to make.