Barak Obamas Pastor

[Parajuevos]

I just got finished watching a report about Barak Obamas Pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, on Fox New.

In the report, film clips of some of his sermons were shown which make it obvious to me that he is a black racist.

His loud and animated rants indicate that he feels that we got what was coming to us on 9/11 because the U.S. has been committing genocide around the world for a long period of time. He refers to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as well as our support of Israel in opposition to the Palestinians in order to justify his arguments.

He has referred to our country as the USKKKA and has stated that his candidate, Barak Obama, knows what it is like to be called racially unacceptable names and that his opponent Hillary Clinton does not. He goes on to imply that this is one of the reasons that Obama should be the candidate of choice of the black community.

He has, in the past,(1984) traveled to Libya, with another known black racist, Louis Farrakhan to visit the terrorist supporter and sponsor Colonel Gadhafi.

The Reverend Wrights sermons are full of hate filled rhetoric, that are anti white and push a militant black agenda. His tunnel vision seems to indicate that he is focused, not on a diverse society, where all races and people of different ethnic backgrounds work for the common good , but is based entirely on the African American citizenry of the country.

He is a devisive, hate mongering demogogue, whose churches tax exempt status should be investigated.

Barack Obama has tried to distance himself from some of the Reverends statements, albiet in a somewhat weak fashion. This distancing does not erase the fact that he has been a parishoner, in the Reverend Wrights congregation for two decades, was married by the Reverend and had his children baptized by him.

I would have to surmise that Obama must agree with a good deal of what the Reverend Wright espouses, to have remained in his congregation, for such a long time. He couldn't have just become aware of the radical ideas of his spiritual advisor, unless, of course, he sleeps through all the sermons.

Could it be that under all that slick, polished charisma, reinforced by a gift of oratory, that Obama might not be the right person to unite and give this country the change and hope that he says he stands for? He may give us change alright, but it may not be what some of the voters, especially the young naive ones, are banking on.

People get judged by the company that they keep. Obama has been a follower of the Reverend Wright for twenty years. The Reverend Wright is also active in Obamas campaign.

Mr. Obama, I have this to say to you. If you walk like a duck and quack like a duck, you are a duck.

[DaedalusX]

Don't blame him, he just couldn't contain it's inner chimp.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[edit: In my attempt to humor it came to me that I sounded like a dumbass. Feel free to delete, disregard or point and laught.]

[Parajuevos]

Don't blame him, he just couldn't contain it's inner chimp.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

This statement doesn't reflect well on you and puts you in the same category as the Reverend as far as I'm concerned.

[Slim]

I have been hearingosme of this latley too. It is pretty disturbing stuff.

Stand by for someone, who's name will go unmentioned until it happens, to assert that just because he chose to attend this church, then stick around for twenty years of sermons about how evil America is, doesn't mean he believes it.:D

[r8er55]

This statement doesn't reflect well on you and puts you in the same category as the Reverend as far as I'm concerned.

X2.

[Slim]

Don't blame him, he just couldn't contain it's inner chimp.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

This comes off as entirely racist. Please tell me I am simply misunderstanding your intentions.

[ET1/ss nuke]

I hope he just misspelled chump.

[T-Rock]

In the report, film clips of some of his sermons were shown which make it obvious to me that he is a black racist.


Here are two of the clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvxTUy47Fk&eurl=http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM&eurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

I'll never trust Obama..

[DaedalusX]

Bad joke friday. Sorry.

[karlm]

Don't care for Obama, I live in Illinois, he hasn't done anything for the state. Just another Chicago political machine politician who keeps questionable company

[Keganswar]

I just got finished watching a report about Barak Obamas Pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, on Fox New.

In the report, film clips of some of his sermons were shown which make it obvious to me that he is a black racist.

His loud and animated rants indicate that he feels that we got what was coming to us on 9/11 because the U.S. has been committing genocide around the world for a long period of time. He refers to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as well as our support of Israel in opposition to the Palestinians in order to justify his arguments.

He has referred to our country as the USKKKA and has stated that his candidate, Barak Obama, knows what it is like to be called racially unacceptable names and that his opponent Hillary Clinton does not. He goes on to imply that this is one of the reasons that Obama should be the candidate of choice of the black community.

He has, in the past,(1984) traveled to Libya, with another known black racist, Louis Farrakhan to visit the terrorist supporter and sponsor Colonel Gadhafi.

The Reverend Wrights sermons are full of hate filled rhetoric, that are anti white and push a militant black agenda. His tunnel vision seems to indicate that he is focused, not on a diverse society, where all races and people of different ethnic backgrounds work for the common good , but is based entirely on the African American citizenry of the country.

He is a devisive, hate mongering demogogue, whose churches tax exempt status should be investigated.

Barack Obama has tried to distance himself from some of the Reverends statements, albiet in a somewhat weak fashion. This distancing does not erase the fact that he has been a parishoner, in the Reverend Wrights congregation for two decades, was married by the Reverend and had his children baptized by him.

I would have to surmise that Obama must agree with a good deal of what the Reverend Wright espouses, to have remained in his congregation, for such a long time. He couldn't have just become aware of the radical ideas of his spiritual advisor, unless, of course, he sleeps through all the sermons.

Could it be that under all that slick, polished charisma, reinforced by a gift of oratory, that Obama might not be the right person to unite and give this country the change and hope that he says he stands for? He may give us change alright, but it may not be what some of the voters, especially the young naive ones, are banking on.

People get judged by the company that they keep. Obama has been a follower of the Reverend Wright for twenty years. The Reverend Wright is also active in Obamas campaign.

Mr. Obama, I have this to say to you. If you walk like a duck and quack like a duck, you are a duck.


I agree whole heartedly. This does raise many underlining issues of what and who Obama is loyal to. I for one would never go back to a paster/preist/ public speaker if he were to act and say the things this guy does. Twenty years of that kind of influence has to rub off somehow.

I will look for the quotes but Obama’s wife has made some pretty racist and out there comments about entitlements and education in regards to African Americans and what they should be getting in the way of higher education.

[karlm]

I agree whole heartedly. This does raise many underlining issues of what and who Obama is loyal to. I for one would never go back to a paster/preist/ public speaker if he were to act and say the things this guy does. Twenty years of that kind of influence has to rub off somehow.

I will look for the quotes but Obama’s wife has made some pretty racist and out there comments about entitlements and education in regards to African Americans and what they should be getting in the way of higher education.

And all this time I only though we were only entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

[10thvet]

I think the pastor is utterly stupid and I put him in the same catagory as Rosie, Luis Farakan and few other bones heads...being stupid, being a moron or saying hate filled rheteric is not illegal but it does make me ask why Obama has been in the chruch for 20 years. If I heard my cleargy say anything like that I would of been out of there so fast it (because I dont agree with it)would put the candles out

[Keganswar]

Also not that I am too surprised but why isn’t the media jumping all over this guy? Seems like Obama and his cohorts are getting a huge pass from the main stream media.

[Vincent]

Ahh, the old guilt by association game.

Ever hear of John Hagee? An anti-catholic pastor from Texas who McCain threw himself into the arms of.

Here are some tidbits:

He blamed Hurricane Katrina on a gay pride parade, called Catholicism “a gutter religion,” and denounced Harry Potter as an introduction “to the occult.”

As for the Jewish people, his words allow little room for interpretation for what happens next: “If you…don’t confess your sins to God Almighty through the authority of Christ and His blood,” he warned one San Antonio audience, “you’re going straight to Hell with a nonstop ticket.”

When it comes to Catholicism (which he refers to as “the great whore”), his record is every bit as incendiary. In his 2006 tour de force, Jerusalem Countdown, Hagee suggests that “most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.”


When people try to extrapolate larger meaning out of personal connections, it's no surprise that you end up with the Chimp comments we've already seen. The propaganda is working, as 13% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim - a clear falsehood.

Remarkably on this web-site there are several threads dedicated to Obamas religion, name, associations, but few regarding his stance on issues. That doesn't mean that his positions are unassailable, but it certainly demonstrates what people want to pay attention to.

Can't wait for the next thread about how people are only interested in BS like Paris Hilton, video games, or something else, rather than the "stuff that really matters."

[Guy]

Here are two of the clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvxTUy47Fk&eurl=http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM&eurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/ I stay away from folks like that...

I would have said some smart-ass remark and the choir would have been after my ass.:o

Stay safe.

[T-Rock]

Remarkably on this web-site there are several threads dedicated to Obamas religion, name, associations, but few regarding his stance on issues. That doesn't mean that his positions are unassailable, but it certainly demonstrates what people want to pay attention to.


Like this......:D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWw7QncBGSM&eurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

[JRB11]

I agree with Vincent entirely, and avoid any church like the plague. There's plenty of hate spilled in plenty of churches by many pastors, rabbi's, Imams, etc. I don't get it, never have and never will. I wish I could believe, it would give some hope about an after life, but then again, the way I've lived some of my life, maybe it's better not to believe. I really wish I could believe in the 70 virgin thing, that would be nice!!

[Keganswar]

Ahh, the old guilt by association game.

Ever hear of John Hagee? An anti-catholic pastor from Texas who McCain threw himself into the arms of.

Here are some tidbits:

He blamed Hurricane Katrina on a gay pride parade, called Catholicism “a gutter religion,” and denounced Harry Potter as an introduction “to the occult.”

As for the Jewish people, his words allow little room for interpretation for what happens next: “If you…don’t confess your sins to God Almighty through the authority of Christ and His blood,” he warned one San Antonio audience, “you’re going straight to Hell with a nonstop ticket.”

When it comes to Catholicism (which he refers to as “the great whore”), his record is every bit as incendiary. In his 2006 tour de force, Jerusalem Countdown, Hagee suggests that “most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.”


When people try to extrapolate larger meaning out of personal connections, it's no surprise that you end up with the Chimp comments we've already seen. The propaganda is working, as 13% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim - a clear falsehood.

Remarkably on this web-site there are several threads dedicated to Obamas religion, name, associations, but few regarding his stance on issues. That doesn't mean that his positions are unassailable, but it certainly demonstrates what people want to pay attention to.

Can't wait for the next thread about how people are only interested in BS like Paris Hilton, video games, or something else, rather than the "stuff that really matters."

I honestly don’t see a difference between the two there both racists in there own way.

I believe you are referring in part to the escapade of Obama not wanting his middle name to be used because Hussein (sp) has a negative impact on how middle class Americans who don’t really care either way will view him. Obama opened that can of worms when he made a big deal about his middle name being used.

I do agree that the issue’s he stands for are more important then some of this other trivial stuff we are bantering about.

When I read about his record of voting he makes Hillary look like a conservative. Granted he has a very short record to extrapolate that comparison to but still….

[Parajuevos]

Ahh, the old guilt by association game.

Ever hear of John Hagee? An anti-catholic pastor from Texas who McCain threw himself into the arms of.

Here are some tidbits:

He blamed Hurricane Katrina on a gay pride parade, called Catholicism “a gutter religion,” and denounced Harry Potter as an introduction “to the occult.”

As for the Jewish people, his words allow little room for interpretation for what happens next: “If you…don’t confess your sins to God Almighty through the authority of Christ and His blood,” he warned one San Antonio audience, “you’re going straight to Hell with a nonstop ticket.”

Remarkably on this web-site there are several threads dedicated to Obamas religion, name, associations, but few regarding his stance on issues. That doesn't mean that his positions are unassailable, but it certainly demonstrates what people want to pay attention to.


I'll agree that Reverend Hagee is an idiot but to equate his support of Senator McCain to the Reverend Wrights support for Senator Obama has a flaw. The flaw is that Senator McCain is not part of the Reverend Hagees flock. Obama is a member of the Reverend Wrights.

As far as Senator Obamas stance on issues are concerned, just what are they, aside from hope, change and surrender? Do you have any detailed information or have I missed something? Obamas speeches and sound bite are rife with generalities but little substance.

[Parajuevos]

Wrong Key.

[karlm]

Ahh, the old guilt by association game.

Ever hear of John Hagee? An anti-catholic pastor from Texas who McCain threw himself into the arms of.

Here are some tidbits:

He blamed Hurricane Katrina on a gay pride parade, called Catholicism “a gutter religion,” and denounced Harry Potter as an introduction “to the occult.”

As for the Jewish people, his words allow little room for interpretation for what happens next: “If you…don’t confess your sins to God Almighty through the authority of Christ and His blood,” he warned one San Antonio audience, “you’re going straight to Hell with a nonstop ticket.”

When it comes to Catholicism (which he refers to as “the great whore”), his record is every bit as incendiary. In his 2006 tour de force, Jerusalem Countdown, Hagee suggests that “most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.”


When people try to extrapolate larger meaning out of personal connections, it's no surprise that you end up with the Chimp comments we've already seen. The propaganda is working, as 13% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim - a clear falsehood.

Remarkably on this web-site there are several threads dedicated to Obamas religion, name, associations, but few regarding his stance on issues. That doesn't mean that his positions are unassailable, but it certainly demonstrates what people want to pay attention to.

Can't wait for the next thread about how people are only interested in BS like Paris Hilton, video games, or something else, rather than the "stuff that really matters."
Well then what about Tony Rezco? Poor Barak he must be the unluckiest SOB when it comes to his associates. Like I said I live in Illinois, Obama has not done one damn thing for the state, nothing he has(n't)done in Illinois would lead me to believe he is capable of running the whole country.

[ET1/ss nuke]

I just got finished watching a report about Barak Obamas Pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

He is a devisive, hate mongering demogogue, whose churches tax exempt status should be investigated.

He has freedom of speech and freedom of religion on his side. He is free to be an idiot if he so chooses. Going after his tax-exempt status should be handled delicately to avoid a very slippery slope. Not many in the USA would complain if Jeremiah Wright, Fred Phelps, the Scientology crowd, and the televangelists lost their tax-exempt status, but if they did, the same government bureaucrats would go after the rest of the churches and their potentially-lucrative-revenue-bearing properties. One big reason churches are tax exempt is that they take a lot of the charity work burden off the government. If they were suddenly no longer tax exempt, donations might drop significantly enough that social services would either go undone or would requre government intervention that would take more tax dollars than could be obtained from taxing churches, because most of the laborers in church charity projects work for free, while government bureaucrats get salaries, benefits, and pensions. With Democrats in charge of both houses of Congress, do you really think social services would be allowed to lapse instead of being taken over by the government? Be careful what you wish for, especially if you like keeping your own money.

[Vincent]

I've got no use for Senator Obama. While I don't put that much stock in "Washington Experience," there is nothing in his background that would make me think he has developed ideas or a philosophy that would make for a good administration.

The examples I posted about McCain were not to demonstrate that McCain is just as bad, but simply that for someone running for President, endorsements, friends, guys you play pool with don't matter all that much. If a candidate for President was a member of a church who's pastor sat at the right hand of God, would that make you vote FOR them?

This reverend who's church Obama belongs to is an asshole. Got it. Don't know him personally, but Obama seems like a nice guy. Not someone I would vote for President, but someone who might make a nice neighbor.

On the other side of th coin, posters here have a made a pretty compelling argument against voting for Senator McCain based on substantive reasons - i.e. his work on normallizing relations with Vietnam. While I plan on voting Libertarian, I was interested in those arguments because they had substance and relevance. Would anybody have paid attention to a thread against McCain that talked about how his wife used to be a pill addict?

Of course not. My point being, if we expect "lazy Americans" to stand up and pay attention to an important decision, it has to be about something more than Obama sits in Church and listens to a douchebag.

[Parajuevos]

Of course not. My point being, if we expect "lazy Americans" to stand up and pay attention to an important decision, it has to be about something more than Obama sits in Church and listens to a douchebag.

It's not so much that he has listened to a douchebag, it's that he's done so for 20 years. The "douchebag" has been an integral part of Obama's spiritual life. That life has included a marriage ceremony and a couple of baptisms. I find it hard to believe that Obama finds the Reverends views unacceptable given these facts.

If I were attending a church, in which the Pastor took aim at my political views and attacked my country, instead of addressing my spiritual needs, I would get up, walk out and find another church to attend.

[Vincent]

If I were attending a church, in which the Pastor took aim at my political views and attacked my country, instead of addressing my spiritual needs, I would get up, walk out and find another church to attend.


Fair point, but that is so far down on the list, I would not even get to it before all of the other disqualifying attributes.

Just one example and I will leave this thread alone - A few weeks ago on Hardball, Chris Matthews asks an Obama supporter name one accomplishment of Obama's. AND HE COULDN'T!!

Now, that whole point has fallen by the wayside, but we are still talking about the guy's pastor.

I worked as a political consultant for many years and I can tell you that by paying attention to his pastor, his religion, and other things - you are punching at the feint. It's easy to dismiss a criticism if it seems based in the trivial.

[1026]

Wright looks somewhat like Bob Barr.:cool:

[Paranutz]

The Racist Pastor is no different than anyother Racist that spouts off.

The Catholic hating Pastor is a fool also. It boils down to knowing who is worth listening to and who isn't. I usually don't listen to Religious types when it comes to Elections. The more mouthy the less credible......They can go to Hell.

[Blackjack78]

X2.


x3. In addition, it does not reflect what SOCNET represents.

[Bravo Five Romeo]

Obama's pastor is a racist ass.

Do I think Obama is a racist? No.

But this is just more proof of Obama's inexperience.
He had to know some of the dumbass things his pastor had said.
Being a prominent politician and with his years of membership to the church I'm sure he socialized with the guy.

The fact that Obama was too stupid to distance himself from this guy long ago shows poor situational awareness... poor planning.
I don't necessarily believe Obama shares his views.
But this shows Obama didn't have the forsight to deal with this long ago by either telling his friend to STFU and do some back peddling, or by distancing himself before all this would go public.
The fact that he didn't see this coming and didn't plan for it is one more indication that he is not qualified for the job as President.

[Bravo Five Romeo]

Don't blame him, he just couldn't contain it's inner chimp.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[edit: In my attempt to humor it came to me that I sounded like a dumbass. Feel free to delete, disregard or point and laught.]
HAHAHHAHAHA!
...oh wait.
That's not actually fucking funny at all.

[C-M-R]

The fact that he didn't see this coming and didn't plan for it is one more indication that he is not qualified for the job as President.

Folks not seeing something coming is a failing very common to those who govern us.

Obama is an egomanical Senator which puts him in the same catagory as the other two contenders for President. None of them are exactly qualified for the job.

[C-M-R]

Wright looks somewhat like Bob Barr.:cool:

Funny you should mention Bob Barr, one of the House Managers during Clinton's impeachment trial. I knew the "we brought this on ourselves" line sounded familiar and here's why...


Bill Clinton's anti-American speech at Georgetown University
by Thomas Sowell (November 16, 2001)

Nothing is an outrage when the reigning fad is being non-judgmental. So perhaps it is not surprising that there has been no nationwide chorus of condemnation of Bill Clinton's anti-American speech at Georgetown University. According to the former president, America is "paying a price today" for slavery in the past and for that fact that "native Americans were dispossessed and killed."

Can you name a country, anywhere in the world, where there has never been slavery? Can you name a country, anywhere in the world, where land has not changed hands as a result of military conquest? It is a painful commentary on human beings that there are no such countries. But it is hogwash to single out the United States for sins that have afflicted the entire human race.

And to say that Americans are paying a price today because of those sins is grotesque. Nobody in the World Trade Center owned any slaves or killed any Indians. This pushing of collective guilt, inherited from centuries past, is a shameless hustle that insults our intelligence.

According to Clinton, Americans "have to get rid of our arrogant self-righteousness so that we don't claim for ourselves things we deny to others." If other people don't have what we have, does that mean that we denied it to them?

When is Hillary going to get rid of that man? He is an albatross around her neck.

Edit to add links http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1215

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/omicinski/103.htm

[Greenhat]

Obama is an egomanical Senator which puts him in the same catagory as the other two contenders for President. None of them are exactly qualified for the job.

Bingo.

[CC Rider]

saying you didn't realize he was like that is a pretty lame excuse . thats like saying " I was bests Friends with Louis Farrakhan and not realizing he's a Muslim that hates Israel" I think theres a difference between endorsing someone who's a pastor of a church you don't attend and being endorsed by the pastor of a church you've been a member of for 20 years . I don't see how a person could attend or be member for that long and not agree with the message.
I bet you'd hear some interesting things in the obama house as a fly on the wall. I bet he's as big a raciest as the guy in question .

[Remington Raider]

Some right-wing wing-nut calling the Church a whore is NOT the same as saying that the United States is just like Al-Queda, that we slaughter people to make our point. That's political. You are comparing apples to oranges.

That being said, this jerk-off isn't saying anything that many of the pro-facist leftist liberal, blame-America-firsters say at cocktail parties or marches on the federal building. It does have a racial bent, but I can let that part go. The echo everyone is feeling listening to this guy is from his left-wing talking points, right out of the playbook. He just delivers it with a different style, but he is saying the same thing. Grist for the political mill and not out of bound re: Obama's future proclivities as POTUS.

[1026]

Funny you should mention Bob Barr, one of the House Managers during Clinton's impeachment trial. I knew the "we brought this on ourselves" line sounded familiar and here's why...

I figured you'd catch it, lol...:D

[JRB11]

I always thought had anyone trying for the POTUS had to be egomaniacal.

[NightLandNav]

My theory, the people who would best fulfill the duties of POTUS, are too smart to want the job.

[Richman]

It's not so much that he has listened to a douchebag, it's that he's done so for 20 years. The "douchebag" has been an integral part of Obama's spiritual life. That life has included a marriage ceremony and a couple of baptisms. I find it hard to believe that Obama finds the Reverends views unacceptable given these facts.

If I were attending a church, in which the Pastor took aim at my political views and attacked my country, instead of addressing my spiritual needs, I would get up, walk out and find another church to attend.

I thoroughly believe that Obama agrees with the pastor as he stuck with the guy for what, 20 years? Calls him a mentor and moral compass? Obama's book has statements similar to the pastor's from what I understand.

This explains to me why he didn't want to wear a lapel flag (not important in my book but is telling), why his wife said what she said, why Obama doesn't know how to hold his hand over his heart or, as I believe, declined to do so on purpose.

His statements of distancing himself are not really effective. Obama is not ignorant of what his church of 20 years supports, and has done in the past.

I sure would put some distance between a person such as that pastor, and it would not have taken 20 years.

[grappler]

I thought people went to church to learn about the Bible, God, Jesus, etc.

From everything I heard from this pastor, he's hell bent on bashing everyone outside his church and his congregation can be heard recieving his political sermons with "Amen!","Preach it!" WTF??!!:confused:

[Parajuevos]

I thoroughly believe that Obama agrees with the pastor as he stuck with the guy for what, 20 years? Calls him a mentor and moral compass? Obama's book has statements similar to the pastor's

The title of Obama's book, "The Audacity of Hope," was picked by the Reverend Wright, according to a news story I heard tonight. But that means nothing, right? :confused: :rolleyes:

I suspect that Mr. Squeaky clean, Obama, is a racist in his own right. I believe that more will be revealed as the saga continues.

[NightLandNav]

Under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, organizations are restricted in how much political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct.

Once “sermons” become overtly political, that organization’s tax exempt status should be brought under immediate review.

Currently, the “De facto” balance of separation between Church and State is too far in favor of tax exempt religious organizations being allowed to have active political influence.

[grappler]

Under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, organizations are restricted in how much political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct.

Once “sermons” become overtly political, that organization’s tax exempt status should be brought under immediate review.

Currently, the “De facto” balance of separation between Church and State is too far in favor of tax exempt religious organizations being allowed to have active political influence.
Interesting.

His church seems to meet the criteria.

[Bravo Five Romeo]

Once “sermons” become overtly political, that organization’s tax exempt status should be brought under immediate review.

Agreed.
Unfortunately, this will never happen.
There are too many preachers and politicians who do not believe in separation of church and state.

[ParrotHead]

I'm still trying to figure out DaedalusX's comment...
I don't get it.

[NightLandNav]

I'm still trying to figure out DaedalusX's comment...
I don't get it.

While I will not forget the statement was made...the statement has been addressed, and I would suggest that such blatant ignorance should no longer be dignified with further comment.

Ignorant statements, ONLY accuse those who make them.

I'm not talking about you ParrotHead.

Keep in mind I'm not Admin, and if a decision is made to call it in...I volunteer to pop smoke. Otherwise... I trust their judgment.

[glassiam]

Remarkably on this web-site there are several threads dedicated to Obamas religion, name, associations, but few regarding his stance on issues. That doesn't mean that his positions are unassailable, but it certainly demonstrates what people want to pay attention to."

It's my firm belief that when you vote for POTUS, you must make an educated and well informed decision. This means knowing each candidates stance on every subject, what company they keep, their religious views, and what they are like as a person.

Failure to do so will result in an un-educated and poorly thought out decision, with an end statement of "well, we have to deal with him/her now, we elected him/her." And this is not a good excuse. I, along with everyone else, needs to do their due diligence on every candidate.

As a side note, Obama is a POS. Just my .02. But for that matter I'm not too excited about any of the others either. I guess I'm just fucked come November.

[chip8541]

The pastor is Obamas spiritual advisor. People make decisions based on what they believe in. enough said..

[C-M-R]

The pastor is Obamas spiritual advisor. People make decisions based on what they believe in. enough said..

Not always. Soldiers can believe 100% in God and the idea that murder is wrong and still do a bang-up job of killing the enemy.

My faith has little to do with my patriotism.

I like your "enough said" part. It puts me in mind of me telling my family "this conversation is over." I might like for it to be but danged if those guys don't keep talking.

[SOTB]

Don't blame him, he just couldn't contain it's inner chimp.

Sorry, couldn't resist.I'll accept -- albeit with doubt -- that this was not intended as it came across. Everyone reading knows that the mods and admins here will not tolerate this. What is really cool, is that a huge cross-section of our posters/readers don't either -- kudos to you guys.The fact that he didn't see this coming and didn't plan for it is one more indication that he is not qualified for the job as President.Right on. If either through ignorance or arrogance, the result is the same -- and this is not the person that should be sitting in the White House (other than while on a tour).My theory, the people who would best fulfill the duties of POTUS, are too smart to want the job.Best post of the thread....

[chip8541]

Not always. Soldiers can believe 100% in God and the idea that murder is wrong and still do a bang-up job of killing the enemy.

My faith has little to do with my patriotism.

Killing the enemy is not murder, beliefs are not just religion based, im sure you also believe you have the right to be free. It just so happens that Obama listens to what this man has to say to guide his daily life. He happens to become president decisions made will end up part of his daily life. Faith comes into play in what you think is right and wrong so why wouldnt it be so with his presidency. Hopefully he doesnt get elected.

[MikeC2W]

Don't blame him, he just couldn't contain it's inner chimp.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[edit: In my attempt to humor it came to me that I sounded like a dumbass. Feel free to delete, disregard or point and laught.]

Dumbass, I disagree completely.

It makes you sound like a 100% fucking racist. You have obviously completely and totally misjudged the type of people who are members here.

No response is necessary.

[10thvet]

After reading this post I am reminded that ppl dont vote for someone, they vote agasint a certian person...

Hearing this pastor speak plus reading what Michelle Obama said(before the spin DR's got hold of her statement) adds up to a lot of answered questions.

[Tracy]

Hmmm...

Obama --> Pastor

Clinton --> Ferraro

McCain --> ??? Stayed Tuned...

I love election years. Not.

[chokeu2]

Two things...
Either Obama is truly oblivious to his pastor, which makes him wholly unqualified because he's obviously got no situational awareness. There is no way that he could be that oblivious.

Or

He knew about this, but thought that he could just ignore it. Which means that by his inaction, he gives proxy blessing to what the pastor is saying. I'd wretch if he also said that he did not know that his wife would also make bigoted remarks. He's not distanced himself from her remarks either.

Personally, I refuse to believe that he did not know about this. And that he does condone what his pastor says. After all, the guy is his mentor. His pastor is the guy that he admittedly went to before making any big decisions. His pastor is the guy that is the inspiration for his last book. His pastor did marry him, and baptize his kids. His pastor is the one that brought him into his faith. His pastor did give Farrakhan an award for his achievements. His pastor did visit with Khaddafi.

Yea... Theres nothing there... :rolleyes:
He's either an idiot or a liar, probably both. And I'd venture a guess that he's a bigot too. There is too much smoke around this guy for there not to be a fire.

[Dumpsterchair]

Either way you look at this it proves one of two things:

1) He is an adherent of the pastor and buys in to this garbage, or;
2) He is a complete phony who goes to a church for twenty years (a church that he undoubtedly knew was peddling this sort of crap) in order to present a certain image to the community he is living and trying to get elected in.

It also appears that the pastor is one of those guys who believe Jesus was Black. Now, from the surface that looks all PC and new age and one would think, what’s the harm? What that indicates, however, is that he is a believer of the whole “counterfeit Jew” theory, which likely makes him an anti-Semite to the extreme. I really don’t care what those people believe frankly, it's their right to believe what they want. But I do think it is valid to consider the fact that a possible future POTUS has been sitting in the pews of a raving anti-Semite, ant-American bigot for twenty years. How can that not be relevant to the discussion of a future POTUS?

It is comical to see how people, some even on this board, will continue to excuse the no lapel pin, no hand over heart, and 20 year attendance to an anti-American pastor’s church, all in the name of political correctness and sounding “balanced.” Someone who is making the argument that we should give this guy the benefit of the doubt, as far as his patriotism goes, please explain what evidence we have that would indicate that he does not have a certain amount of disdain for America, specifically white America. All indications thus far point to a man who generally dislikes what America is and is planning on trying to “fix” that through the office of POTUS. Why should I believe otherwise?

[Parajuevos]

It is comical to see how people, some even on this board, will continue to excuse the no lapel pin, no hand over heart, and 20 year attendance to an anti-American pastor’s church, all in the name of political correctness and sounding “balanced.” Someone who is making the argument that we should give this guy the benefit of the doubt, as far as his patriotism goes, please explain what evidence we have that would indicate that he does not have a certain amount of disdain for America, specifically white America. All indications thus far point to a man who generally dislikes what America is and is planning on trying to “fix” that through the office of POTUS. Why should I believe otherwise?

Your point is right on. In listening to the coverage last night, I noticed that many of the pundits were reluctant to hold Obama accountable. David Gergen, for one, was pathetic, in his insistence that Obama should be given the benefit of the doubt. Gergen stated that he didn't think that it was fair to put Obama into the "guilt by association" category. I disagree with him. You can't be associated with a person for twenty years, go to his sermons, collaborate, at least in part, on a book, have marriage and baptismal ceremonies conducted by him and then claim that you have never heard the rhetoric or knew the beliefs of this person, who you call your mentor.

The bottom line is that most of the pundits, even those who know better, are afraid to ask the hard questions of Obama. After all, political correctness trumps the truth.

Major Garrett was the only one that I watched, last night who put Obama on the hot seat. Obamas explanations, as pertain to his knowledge of the Reverend Wrights hateful sermons were awkward and unconvincing. Some of his explanations were, "I wasn't aware of these and was not present when they took place," and " If I had been there, I would have certainly objected to the Reverend, personally." He also made the statement that Reverend Wright had served in the Marine Corps, as if that fact would somehow legitimize his rants. Well hell, Barack, Lee Harvey Oswald served in the Marine Corps also. Does that excuse him from his behavior, you ignoramus? I think not.

[JRB11]

Lets just look forward to 2012 and a new group of candidates..

[Richman]

Hillary must be loving Fox News, et al........

Obama set himself up for this one.

[MikeC2W]

....Well hell, Barack, Lee Harvey Oswald served in the Marine Corps also. Does that excuse him from his behavior, you ignoramus? I think not.


AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA - dude that is beautiful. I love it when people try to use someone's service as a excuse for being a asshat. I will definitely be using the above quote.

Here's to 2012!

[okami1]

What is really cool, is that a huge cross-section of our posters/readers don't either -- kudos to you guys. Right on.

Couldn't agree more.

[buuckIVranger]

Ahh, the old guilt by association game.

Ever hear of John Hagee? An anti-catholic pastor from Texas who McCain threw himself into the arms of.

Here are some tidbits:

He blamed Hurricane Katrina on a gay pride parade, called Catholicism “a gutter religion,” and denounced Harry Potter as an introduction “to the occult.”

As for the Jewish people, his words allow little room for interpretation for what happens next: “If you…don’t confess your sins to God Almighty through the authority of Christ and His blood,” he warned one San Antonio audience, “you’re going straight to Hell with a nonstop ticket.”

When it comes to Catholicism (which he refers to as “the great whore”), his record is every bit as incendiary. In his 2006 tour de force, Jerusalem Countdown, Hagee suggests that “most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.”


When people try to extrapolate larger meaning out of personal connections, it's no surprise that you end up with the Chimp comments we've already seen. The propaganda is working, as 13% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim - a clear falsehood.

Remarkably on this web-site there are several threads dedicated to Obamas religion, name, associations, but few regarding his stance on issues. That doesn't mean that his positions are unassailable, but it certainly demonstrates what people want to pay attention to.

Can't wait for the next thread about how people are only interested in BS like Paris Hilton, video games, or something else, rather than the "stuff that really matters."
Silly, silly, silly :o

[KS11]

Your point is right on. In listening to the coverage last night, I noticed that many of the pundits were reluctant to hold Obama accountable. David Gergen, for one, was pathetic, in his insistence that Obama should be given the benefit of the doubt. Gergen stated that he didn't think that it was fair to put Obama into the "guilt by association" category. I disagree with him. You can't be associated with a person for twenty years, go to his sermons, collaborate, at least in part, on a book, have marriage and baptismal ceremonies conducted by him and then claim that you have never heard the rhetoric or knew the beliefs of this person, who you call your mentor.
The bottom line is that most of the pundits, even those who know better, are afraid to ask the hard questions of Obama. After all, political correctness trumps the truth.
Major Garrett was the only one that I watched, last night who put Obama on the hot seat. Obamas explanations, as pertain to his knowledge of the Reverend Wrights hateful sermons were awkward and unconvincing. Some of his explanations were, "I wasn't aware of these and was not present when they took place," and " If I had been there, I would have certainly objected to the Reverend, personally." He also made the statement that Reverend Wright had served in the Marine Corps, as if that fact would somehow legitimize his rants. Well hell, Barack, Lee Harvey Oswald served in the Marine Corps also. Does that excuse him from his behavior, you ignoramus? I think not.

Parts of your post brought these quotes to mind...

We are what we repeatedly do. --Aristotle

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened. --Winston Churchill

[CC Rider]

I watched obamas interview on fox this afternoon as he tapped danced around
the subject of "his moral compass / religious guide of 20 years and guy who gave him the title for his book" "I never heard him speak like that before BLAH BLAH BLAH ... I think if you listened closely you could actually hear his ass suck air ...what a POS!

[mcjon77]

I know the church Obama goes to reasonably well. My own childhood church and grammar school are only about 2 blocks away from Trinity (Obama's church). If Obama is saying that he never heard his Pastor speak like that, he either doesn't actually attend services there or is completely full of shit.

That Pastor says shit like that ALL THE TIME. He is well known for it. During the election years he EXPLICITLY has directed his congregation on who to vote for and has frequently done entire sermons where he attacks the current administration/the United States/ and white people in general.

My mother is a fairly liberal African-American democrat (universal healthcare, no war in Iraq, etc). One of her friends encouraged her to check out Trinity so she went to one of the services. During the sermon, the pastor's HATEFUL anti-Bush/anti-U.S. remarks were so extreme that mom just got up and left in disgust. She was personally offended by the whole thing. That someone had those beliefs wasn't the problem (he has the right to believe what he wants). That he would spout such hate speach during a church service was just to revolting and offensive to her. There is no place for that in a house of God.

The thing that gets me isn't the fact that Obama's pastor says such things, but that Obama would punk out and say he has never heard him say those things. I'm not even a member of his congregation and I've heard him say it, and no others who have, as well. I have no respect for someone who lies like that.

[Greenhat]

Lets just look forward to 2012 and a new group of candidates..

Conventions haven't met yet. We could get a new group of candidates this year. Unlikely, but possible.

[Vincent]

Silly, silly, silly

What was silly?

[Oldtexan]

I watched several of Obama doing his "trying to save my ass" interviews.

It is funny how sometimes little things stick in your mind. While I watched Obama blink fairly fast, and dart his eyes to his right a lot...it was Anderson Cooper asking Obama about his singing the National Anthem that stuck with me. Very obvious it was a yes or no question. Obama answered by saying something like....I don't think you want me to sing it here. He never answered the question.

Obama usually speaks with a lot of confidence, something he did not do in the interviews.

Personally I think he leans further left than socialist, although probably not as far left as Chavez. Not to be confused with me believing he would try to act out those views as president, as so far I don't.

Who knows...Obama may be the wake-up call this country needs for the citizens to get back control of their government.

[Richman]

Who knows...Obama may be the wake-up call this country needs for the citizens to get back control of their government.

That'll be a pretty harsh 4 year period.

[KidA]

Who knows...Obama may be the wake-up call this country needs for the citizens to get back control of their government.

Haven't woken up anytime in the past 100 years or so, don't see it happening now.

People have jobs, McMansions with hollow core doors and marble countertops, an SUV or two, and money for a vacation - they could pretty much give a fuck about politics.

[SN]

Haven't woken up anytime in the past 100 years or so, don't see it happening now.

People have jobs, McMansions with hollow core doors and marble countertops, an SUV or two, and money for a vacation - they could pretty much give a fuck about politics.

They have that shit now, four years from now (when we are giving 84.5Billion to a UN managed Global Poverty fund) those things will have been sold.

The question is, how long will it take our economy to recover from the redession/depression? will a middle-class ever return? or do we become another has-been nation?

[Greenhat]

do we become another has-been nation?

Happens sooner or later... question is just when...

[Bravo Five Romeo]

They have that shit now, four years from now (when we are giving 84.5Billion to a UN managed Global Poverty fund) those things will have been sold.
You don't even have to look four years down the road.
Look at our current administration.
Our spiraling economy, the lack of accountability
The only people taking to the streets to protest are extremist wackos.
The majority of the population that disapproves couldn't be bothered to move from the comfort of their couches.

Whether it's a Democrat or Republican screwing us over in the future...
We can suffer and things can get worse, but until people are genuinely hungry and homeless, no one is going to do a damned thing.

[10thvet]

I just heard that Barak has said that the "sound bites" from his pastor were taken out of context. I am not an educated man so can someone please explain to me how something like those sermons can be taken out of context...

[Louis]

I just heard that Barak has said that the "sound bites" from his pastor were taken out of context. I am not an educated man so can someone please explain to me how something like those sermons can be taken out of context...
I don't know much about American politics but as 10thvet said I don't see how "we should not be saying God bless America we should be saying God damn America" could be taken out of context. When I saw that shit on tv here in SA I was shocked to say the least. I really hope that, for you guys sake, you don't get someone so closely affiliated to a religious zealot in power.

[MikeC2W]

It will be interesting to see how much further he can go - very interesting.

It will also be interesting to see how quick it does or does not go away.

Pure and simple Hate Speech. Try to compare it to others all ya like, others haven't been 'God Damning America' and others haven't made trips to Libya.

I think it's awesome when these bastards get brought down by their 'religion'. LOL.

Some explain to me how this is acceptable?

How is this different from if a white man went to a white church that espoused white values and blamed black people for their woes?

That's a serious question - how is it different, am I missing something?

After all, I'm fairly certain about how that would turn out for any other individual.

[CC Rider]

I don't know much about American politics but as 10thvet said I don't see how "we should not be saying God bless America we should be saying God damn America" could be taken out of context. When I saw that shit on tv here in SA I was shocked to say the least. I really hope that, for you guys sake, you don't get someone so closely affiliated to a religious zealot in power.

lol I don't know about that shit heal being a religious zealot maybe minister of propaganda and Iv got to say Iv never actually heard a man say g-d damn
while standing behind a pulpit. that in itself would have been a perfect time
to decide that wasn't the church for me .what I saw this guy say had nothing to do with the word of GOD .just perpetuate the myth to keep
blacks and whites at each others throats he sings the same song as the Klan
just at a different beat

[CC Rider]

Sorry double tapped

[Parajuevos]

I don't know much about American politics but as 10thvet said I don't see how "we should not be saying God bless America we should be saying God damn America" could be taken out of context. When I saw that shit on tv here in SA I was shocked to say the least. I really hope that, for you guys sake, you don't get someone so closely affiliated to a religious zealot in power.

I will use mcjon77s information to refute any claim by Obama that the Reverend Wrights information was taken out of context.

mcjon77 is from the neighborhood where the Reverends church is located. His mother walked out of a sermon, in disgust, because of the hateful message being imparted. Additionally, he states that the Reverends M.O. is well known in the community.

For Obama to claim that he wasn't aware of the Reverends views and that they are taken out of context make him appear to be a Goddamned(to borrow the Reverends favorite word) liar.

Like I said before, the squeaky clean candidate of change and hope appears to be a racist. Most people will agree that if a white guy hangs out with the KKK, he is a racist. So, what's so far fetched about surmising that a black man who hangs with a black racist, who hates his country, is possibly a racist himself?

[litematt]

Granted I only have regular broadcast television stations, but all I have heard about from the Chicago news stations deals with Geraldine Ferraro and her stupid, half-thought comments on Obama's success. Not much about Obama and the Rev. Wright, maybe an occasional sound-byte. Instead I get to hear all the great speeches Obama is giving about the failure of McCain and how Clinton is a negative racist due to Ferraro and her campaign ads in Texas/Ohio. I get that Obama represents Illinois and many Illinois politicians will benefit greatly if he is elected President of the United States, but Christ, that doesn't mean the entire Chicagoland area has to become mindless Obamanites. I am getting real tired of people defending Obama with the retort that if you are not for him, you are a racist afraid of "change" in classrooms and newspaper editorials. Plus, what is with ABC newsman Andy Shaw? Everytime he is covering Obama on the campaign trail, I feel like he is getting a hard-on talking about him.

As for Rev. Wright, the man is just like any other Chicago "spiritual leader": Egomaniacs full of shit who use the pulpit for personal gain. Hell, Fr. Pfleger was on the news a few days ago and called the entire Illinois legislature terrorists and child murderers for not passing stricter gun laws in Chicago.

[Hot Mess]

will a middle-class ever return?

Simple answer, nope. The middle class will continue to shrink.

[Longrifle]

Pure and simple Hate Speech. Try to compare it to others all ya like, others haven't been 'God Damning America' and others haven't made trips to Libya.

Sounds like something I'd expect to hear coming from a madrassa. Maybe that's what this "church" has become . . .

. . . or has been for many years already.

It's way past time to revoke their tax exempt status, IMO.

[Guy]

NOT!!!!

Don't listen to Guy...he's crazy! I tried too tell ya'll that some thing was wrong w/Obama...

"Watch him closely when he does not have an answer preplanned.":o ;)

Stay safe.

[mcjon77]

Trinity is a gigantic church. Quite possibly one of the most powerful black churches in Chicago. There are a lot of videos and tape recordings of this pastor's sermons. My bet is that after Obama saying he was never present when such things were said, someone is trying to link up this pastor's sermons with records of Obama's attendance (with any luck he may be on video, sitting in the pews). Unless this whole event gets swept under the rug (looks a little too late for that, now), in a few months you're going to hear Obama get called to task about his claims of not being present when those types of hateful statements were spoken.

Had this guy not been found out, and Obama been elected president, I wonder what role in the Obama administration Rev. Wright would have. It will be interesting to see how this story plays out and when the Chicago media will feel it is safe enough for them to do some actual investigative journalism regarding this issue.

[okami1]

Simple answer, nope. The middle class will continue to shrink.

Sounds like the makings of civil unrest to me. As B5R said, no one will do shit until they are genuinely hungry and homeless.

[Spinner]

Agreed.
Unfortunately, this will never happen.
There are too many preachers and politicians who do not believe in separation of church and state.

And in Chicago, the multitude of "Reverends" constitute a potent political force. Everybody is afraid to challenge them, and certainly nobody is going to start trying to focus on their tax exempt status with the IRS. You would be alienating a large bloc of the voting public.

Trinity is a gigantic church. Quite possibly one of the most powerful black churches in Chicago. There are a lot of videos and tape recordings of this pastor's sermons. My bet is that after Obama saying he was never present when such things were said, someone is trying to link up this pastor's sermons with records of Obama's attendance (with any luck he may be on video, sitting in the pews). Unless this whole event gets swept under the rug (looks a little too late for that, now), in a few months you're going to hear Obama get called to task about his claims of not being present when those types of hateful statements were spoken.

Had this guy not been found out, and Obama been elected president, I wonder what role in the Obama administration Rev. Wright would have. It will be interesting to see how this story plays out and when the Chicago media will feel it is safe enough for them to do some actual investigative journalism regarding this issue.

That sounds about right, Obama has been attending services at that church going on 20 years. I'm sure he's heard plenty of sermons whose tone and tenor were not unlike what we've seen over the last week or so. You have a better pulse on that part of Hyde Park/UC area. As for the local media going after Wright, I have a feeling they'd tread pretty softly.

You can bet McCain's posse is hard at work trying to dig up something just like that, even though I don't think he would ever use it during his campaign for the general election.


Plus, what is with ABC newsman Andy Shaw? Everytime he is covering Obama on the campaign trail, I feel like he is getting a hard-on talking about him.

As for Rev. Wright, the man is just like any other Chicago "spiritual leader": Egomaniacs full of shit who use the pulpit for personal gain. Hell, Fr. Pfleger was on the news a few days ago and called the entire Illinois legislature terrorists and child murderers for not passing stricter gun laws in Chicago.

Andy Shaw should explore a different news beat. He's been swimming in the cesspool of Chicago politics too long, and seems to become a part of every story he reports.

As for Pfleger, he's just a media whore.

[Ace]

Don't blame him, he just couldn't contain it's inner chimp.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[edit: In my attempt to humor it came to me that I sounded like a dumbass. Feel free to delete, disregard or point and laught.]


Bad joke friday. Sorry.

No, not a bad joke, just unacceptable here.

Dumbass, I disagree completely.

It makes you sound like a 100% fucking racist. You have obviously completely and totally misjudged the type of people who are members here.

No response is necessary.

Mike hit it on the head. I'm not sure what your intention was, but I for one didn't care for your comment.

I think your welcome here has expired. Take a couple weeks off and think about it. Maybe this isn't the place for you.

[T-Rock]

...Unless this whole event gets swept under the rug (looks a little too late for that, now), in a few months you're going to hear Obama get called to task about his claims of not being present when those types of hateful statements were spoken...


And BO claims he had no idea what his pastor preached……..:rolleyes:
Try finding this on YouTube….it was there, now it’s not…..the purge begins...

“I gotta give a special shout out…to my pastor…the guy who puts up with me…. “COUNCILS ME” …listens to my wife complain about me….he’s a friend…and….a “Great Leader”….

http://en.sevenload.com/videos/yV9UUVV/Barack-Obama-Hampton-University-June-5-2007

(June 5th, 2007)

[Guy]

And BO claims he had no idea what his pastor preached……..:rolleyes:
Try finding this on YouTube….it was there, now it’s not…..the purge begins...



Lying SOB! (http://en.sevenload.com/videos/yV9UUVV/Barack-Obama-Hampton-University-June-5-2007):D Stay safe.

[grappler]

And BO claims he had no idea what his pastor preached……..:rolleyes:
Try finding this on YouTube….it was there, now it’s not…..the purge begins...


Exactly. He just came out and said that he had no idea that this type of preaching was coming from him:rolleyes: , but that he would remain at that church. So now what does that say about him?...

This past weekend I watched several youtube videos on Barack Hussein Obama's pastor. I now see that several are getting pulled due to their content:rolleyes: And what content would that be? There's much worse on youtube than that.

I'm going to try to find the clip of the interview where he is dodging the question on why he doesn't sing the National Anthem.

Like many on here have said, this guy scares the shit out of me.

[zmp]

Many in the media (CNN for one) that this is a non issue. I believe that where ever you go to church, temple, mosque, etc. you are putting your spiritual faith in the hands into the hands of that preacher, imam, etc. Those people are there to mentor and help you grow in faith spiritually. For some one to have a preacher like Rev Wright who is a blatant racist disturbs me. To belong to a church for twenty years that holds those views disturbs me. Unless you belong to a church for just social reasons, which is wrong on a whole other level, you belong because you believe in the ideology. This man has the potential to lead the free world in just over a year. Am I alone in being disturbed by this non issue ?

[Parajuevos]

Am I alone in being disturbed by this non issue ?

No. You're absolutely right to be disturbed by this issue.

[10thvet]

I just heard that Barak is giving a speech today to cover the "recent issues with his pastor"... He is supposed to be covering the broader issue of race in America and not just things with his pastor/church.


If he wants to confront this issue he should have hit the news channels and made himself avaible to be asked more tough questions and do a better job of answering them then he did over the weekend...not give a prepared speech that everyone already knows he can do.


I for one wont belive anything that comes out of his mouth but thats just me.

[C-M-R]

I for one wont belive anything that comes out of his mouth but thats just me.

But you wouldn't have believed him prior to the Pastor Wright dust-up either so you aren't his target audience. It's people like me who are the focus of "The Speech." ;)

I have no problem with a black president especially not this particular guy. I would have a problem with Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or Jeremy Wright. I have more of a problem with a female president and especially with Hillary Clinton so for me, it's never going to matter what she says I still won't like her. I think a lot of people feel that way about Obama and that's ok.

What isn't ok is pretending Obama would have been an option had this nonsense with Wright not come up.

As far as him "not hearing" anti-American sentiments in church prior to this - Big deal. I've sat my fanny in church for more than 50 years and can remember exactly two sermons with any clarity. Most of the time what gets said fades by Monday morning, Tuesday afternoon at the latest.

After 22 years of listening to speakers at graduations, dinners, changes of command and all the rest of the military functions I can think of three things that I've heard and remembered and that includes speeches Chuck has given as well.

1. Christmas '06 Roger Donlon made a hell of a speech about SF

2. Christmas '99 Ole Mize endorsed George W Bush

3. Chuck at a promotion ceremony saying he was "muddy boots" soldier.

Everything else is blahblahblah.

[grog18b]

It's all about the damage control now... He knows full well it was a bad mistake, now he has to try to worm his way out of it. To say that, he went to the church for 20 YEARS and didn't know, or have any knowledge that his reverend was a blatant racist, kinda baffles me. Just imagine if McCain attended a Aryan supremacist church??? for 20 years... then said "I had no idea they were racist." Yeah, buddy... Try again. Sad part is, there are dumbasses in this country that BELIEVE him...

Just once... I'd like to see ANY politician stand up and SAY what they truly think and state their policies openly. At least THEN I could make up my mind on who I support, and why. As far as Barrack saying if he had known... Oh well, we all choose our associates. Now if the reverend was a family member, then by all means, we all know you can't pick your family. I have a lot of dipnuts on my family tree I choose not to associate with. You do, however, pick your church, religion, and friends. Choose carefully, especially if you want to lead the Nation someday... and if you do choose them, be ready to "cowboy up" and just say WHY you choose to associate with them. We will listen and form our opinion if we agree or disagree with their, and your viewpoints.

[Greenhat]

Just once... I'd like to see ANY politician stand up and SAY what they truly think and state their policies openly.

I think Ross Perot did that. I know of a guy who tried to run for Congress in Arizona and did that. Couldn't even get the nomination from the Republican Party.

Politician and truth are like oil and water. They don't mix well.

[grappler]

As far as him "not hearing" anti-American sentiments in church prior to this - Big deal. I've sat my fanny in church for more than 50 years and can remember exactly two sermons with any clarity. Most of the time what gets said fades by Monday morning, Tuesday afternoon at the latest.


When I was a church goer, I remember walking out after an hour sermon thinking to myself, "What'd he say?" Because it was probably the same sermon I heard the previous Sunday with a twist...

BUT, I have a hard time believing, that after 20 years of attendance at this church, the constant race hatred being brought up, should have struck a cord with a so-called non-racist.

[10thvet]

I may not remember everything that was said in church or speeches but I would damn well know and remember if something was said that went agaisnt my core beliefs.

[Inspector Cluseo]

I go to different Churches with friends as I travel a good bit, I am not bound to a denomination.....been doing it for years. When I hear the slightest bit of this type of shit (and it happens often) I move on and remember it.......no matter how boring a Sermon can be. I have found in my experience that the large percentage of folks that sit and listen to this type of swill agree with it. It's laughable that he says he never heard or agreed with this shit in my opinion. As they say "the Truth Will Out".

[Oldtexan]

As a side note...watching CSpan last night, I learned for the first time that it was Tom Daschle that recommended Obama to speak at the convention.

And, it was Tom Daschle that opened the doors for Obama to run as president. The panel of speakers said Daschle has earned the politcal points to be Obama's Vice.

A Obama/Daschle ticket. I could only think of one thing worse...Obama/Reid.

[grappler]

Inspector Cluseo & 10thVet:

My point exactly. There's no way in hell I'm going to sit in a church or suround myself with people voluntarily for 20 years when I disagree with what is being said.

Again, I call BS on Obama.

[Keganswar]

I don’t believe for a minute that Obama had no clue about his pastor’s racist outlook. I am willing to put aside the fact that he went for 20 years, he is an adult and if it was more of a networking opportunity then perhaps he does not believe what the pastor was spewing.

But to expose your children to that kind of environment is a whole other story. I believe going with the whole family points to the fact that he did in fact agree with the pastors view point. Why else would you expose your loved ones to someone who is so volatile if you do not agree with what there saying.

[10thvet]

A Obama/Daschle ticket. I could only think of one thing worse...Obama/Reid.

How about an Obama/Pelosi ticket



Now I wont be able to sleep tonight. :)

I missed the speech, I am catching the highlights on it now on Fox

[Oldtexan]

After watching the Obama race speech, maybe I now know why he is running for president and not me.

I would have thought he would say he used poor judgement in staying with that church when Rev. Wright was making un-American speeches. I was wrong, he embraced Wright, only saying that Wright says some things he disagrees with, although will not disavow him, or move away from him.

If this works for him..so be it. I would then be wrong. Yet, I do think the friends you keep, the people you continue to respect, say a lot about you as a person. If Obama becomes president, there is no doubt in my mind that Rev. Wright will spend nights in the Lincoln bedroom of the White House.

I walked away believing that Obama believes he can associate with who ever he wants to, and not be judged for it. I also believe it is not in his charactor to admit making a mistake, or to utter any form of direct apology. He believes he is right, everyone that disagrees is wrong. My opinion anyway.

[Longrifle]

. . . Obama believes he can associate with who ever he wants to, and not be judged for it. . . it is not in his charactor to admit making a mistake, or to utter any form of direct apology. He believes he is right, everyone that disagrees is wrong.
Sounds like you just defined a typical 13 year old.

[Parajuevos]

Sounds like you just defined a typical 13 year old.

Obamas experience and credentials may be just about as impressing as a 13 year old as well.

[Ole crusty bastard]

I feel that he needed a " I have a dream" speech., I didn't hear one. Are whites the only racists?

[Parajuevos]

I feel that he needed a " I have a dream" speech., I didn't hear one. Are whites the only racists?

No, whites are not the only racists. Racism is a cultural disease and is harmful, no matter who practices it, whether the practioners be White, Black, Asian or Hispanic. The sorry fact is that all races are engaged in it, to the detriment of humanity, from one degree or another.

I believe that, in many cases, only whites are called on it. While whites, who practice racism, should be called on it, so should those from other races. Unfortunately, this is frequently not the case.

[r8er55]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/mar/18/text-obamas-speech/?partner=yahoo_headlines

[Mark F.]

There's no way in hell I'm going to sit in a church or suround myself with people voluntarily for 20 years when I disagree with what is being said.

Then you'd make a lousy liberal Catholic.