The Compassion Forum

[Parajuevos]

Last night, out of curiosty, I watched the Compassion Forum, on CNN. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were interviewed by CNN reporters, who asked them questions about their religious beliefs and how faith influences their lives.

Questions were asked about their views on abortion, when life starts, euthanasia, science and intelligent design.

Obama was very articulate in his responses and seemed polished, albeit phony, in my opinion. He was able to smooth over his verbal blunders of the past, with their tone of elitism and the lie that his mentor, the Reverend Wright never spoke harshly at any of the sermons that he attended. The audience, at Messiah College, composed of people of different faiths, seemed to applaud and accept his presentation alot more than they did, the former First Lady.

Hillary looked stiff, phony, and rehearsed. "My husband and I used to read the Bible to Chelsea," (Was that between his blow jobs in the Oval Office?:D) and Esther is my hero sounded hollow and fake. So did, "I get up every morning thinking of how I can help people.":rolleyes:

I watched in disgust as I wondered out loud what the political system has come to. Has everyone forgotten the principal of the separation of church and state? It's sickening to me that politicians find it necessary to pander to the religious beliefs of theologians and the flocks that they preach to. Religion should stay the hell out of politics and be between people, their god and their faith. There are too many other more important issues to address.

Anybody have an opinion on this?

[Balls]

I agree that religion and politics should be seperate.
However, I can honestly say that I wouldn't like to see somebody of a religious background other than Christianity in charge of this country.

my .02

[RGR.Montcalm]

[QUOTE=Parajuevos;989991]. Religion should stay the hell out of politics and be between people, their god and their faith. There are too many other more important issues to address.[QUOTE]


Well said! It drives me crazy people really believe any of them (politicians); how can you tell when a politician is lying? His/her lips are moving...:rolleyes:

I don't believe that Obama NEVER heard a radical/divisive sermon any more than i believe that Hitlery and the man-whore read the Bible to Chelsea- if it was read to her, then it was a nanny or in Sunday School.

Just my 2 centavos

[Greenhat]

It drives me crazy people really believe any of them (politicians);

Bingo.

[Terminator2]

The government does not have the right to take part in theological discussions or to show favoritism or discrimination to one religion or another...officially. However, I think we would be fooling ourselves if we think that anyone, politician, military, or civilian, can be 100% unbiased or can act without taking their personal beliefs into consideration. What someone believes, whether they are Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Jewish, Mormon, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan, etc, will at least partially color what they believe about morality, foreign and domestic policy, and education, and can be a hint as to what kinds of decisions and policies they make...albeit thankfully (hopefully) within the confines of the law.

Just my $.03 (price has gone up)

[grappler]

He was able to smooth over his verbal blunders of the past, with their tone of elitism and the fact that his mentor, the Reverend Wright never spoke harshly at any of the sermons that he attended.

Hillary looked stiff, phony, and rehearsed. "My husband and I used to read the Bible to Chelsea," (Was that between his blow jobs in the Oval Office?:D) and Esther is my hero sounded hollow and fake. So did, "I get up every morning thinking of how I can help people.":rolleyes:

Anybody have an opinion on this?

Obama: Riiiiigggghhhhtttt... Yeah, Rev. Wright never once made a derogatory race comment in the 20 years of him being a member... Keep preaching to the Kool-Aid crowd bud.:rolleyes:

Hillary: Why is it so hard to say,"No, I don't read the Bible on a daily basis anymore..." The truth bitch!! It's soo much easier!!:mad:

[Parajuevos]

Obama: Riiiiigggghhhhtttt... Yeah, Rev. Wright never once made a derogatory race comment in the 20 years of him being a member... Keep preaching to the Kool-Aid crowd bud.:rolleyes:


Your quote caught my attention. I had to edit my thread and replace the word "Fact" with "Lie." The replaced word was an unintended grammtical error.:eek:

[Hot Mess]

PJ,
The topic of religion and politics now go hand in hand. Bush took the last two elections due to the votes of those that go to church. While GB was working for the senior during the '84 campaign, I believe, he figured out that if one could get the religious vote they could take an election. The 2000 election was carried by voters who go to church and wanted to reverse the "loose morals" of the previous administration. The 2004 elections were carried by the exurbs. These are areas with little or no public services outside of the suburbs. The church fills the voids in these areas until they grow enough to warrant government services. Therefore, everyone is on the band wagon now and religion is important for votes.

[SIG 229]

Politicians answering these questions give as honest an answer to a question that is akin to the nutritional value of cotton candy. It's spun up to look like something of value but really it's just crap!

[Longrifle]

. . . and Esther is my hero . . .
Ahh, Sanford and Son. Aunt Esther was rather dominating, in a Biblical way.:D

[Inspector Cluseo]

Hillary looked stiff, phony, and rehearsed. "My husband and I used to read the Bible to Chelsea," (Was that between his blow jobs in the Oval Office?:D) and Esther is my hero sounded hollow and fake.


Para u b headed to hell :D I think THAT was Bill that was STIFF AND WELL REHEARSED :p

[RGR.Montcalm]

Para u b headed to hell :D I think THAT was Bill that was STIFF AND WELL REHEARSED :p

I'll have to take MONICA'S word for that :eek:... Obviously nothing going on in the Presidential Suite...:rolleyes:

[grog18b]

Hillary Clinton wouldn't know the truth if it was on it's knees, blowing Bill...

[RGR.Montcalm]

Hillary Clinton wouldn't know the truth if it was on it's knees, blowing Bill...


So now Monica is the "TRUTH"?????:eek::eek::eek:

[grog18b]

Haaahaaa, at least she told the truth...

[TPD1280]

People, religion has ALWAYS been a factor.

Go back and read all of the founding documents, "...All men are endowed by their Creator...", "So help us God..." et cetera. Deity is mentioned or acknowledged in every single one of them. Like it or not, religion played a huge part in the founding of this nation. You cannot change that fact.

The folks who landed at Plymouth Rock were seeking freedom of religion, not freedom from religion, the same inalienable right as is guaranteed by the Constitution.

The simple fact is, no person has ever successfully run for the Presidency without a declaration of faith, and we are still generations away from the first.

Eisenhower walked away from his anti-military upbringing as a Jehovahs Witness to become a 5 star General. He converted to the Presbyterian faith 12 days after his first inauguration (a process which takes longer than 12 days). He is the one who added "Under God" to the pledge of allegiance, and led the adoption of "In God We Trust" as the nations motto.

Kennedy faced rabid opposition because he was a Catholic, and as such his loyalty to the Constitution vice his loyalty to the Pope (as the head of both a church and a sovreign state) was questioned.

LBJ made policy decisions both as a Congressman and later as a President based on his worldview which was shaped by his faith.

Nixon's ability to lead during a time of war was questioned because he was a Quaker.

Ford was an Episcopalian, but was the most reluctant to speak of his religious beliefs. It cost him the 1976 Election.

Carter won largely because of the "religious vote" both right and left.

Ronald Reagan was a member of the Disciples of Christ church, and was considered unusual back in his childhood for opposing racial discrimination based on his religious beliefs.

There are still far too many people alive who remember the times when even the most non-religious people would still consider themselves "christian". Anyone who is alive and still remembers the existence of the Soviet Union (godless commies) will always attach a negative connotation to the term "atheist".

It has only been in the last 30 years that atheists or agnostics have been able to declare themselves as such without major league public stigma

Perhaps the grandchildren of my grandchildren will live in a social environment where lack of faith in Deity is not seen as out of the norm, but for today you may as well quit gnashing your teeth because you are not going to change a Goddamned thing.