High Power Rifle Shooting - .308

[Watsy]

I am just getting started...Day ONE...any good sites to find Shooting scopes, Matts, Jackets...22 LR (Rifles) heavy barrels for practice with iron sites...etc...I would be interested in your opinion why you like a particular item...
"Just An average Gal with a really BIG GUN."

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[bd]

Hi Watsy,

Wow, a serious question here? Naa can't be. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

Ok, first up, I'm no sniper myself but I have been known to shoot the occasional high-power tourney. My thoughts here apply if you're not a pro shooter...that's a different ballgame. So take my opinions for what they're worth (in some places you might get a cup of coffee).

Some people argue about practicing with a .22. Bull-puckey. Get you a .22 and practice. Personally, I like the little Ruger 10/22 HB. I know it's not a bolt rifle and some will argue with it being SA. But, it's just a good all around rifle for plinking, practicing, and even competing. They can be had pretty cheap ($200 new, altho' your mileage may vary) and there are just lots of accessories for them. Most toys for the M700 can be had for the 10/22, or any other .22, for that matter.

Barrel-wise, you can get factory HB, aftermarket lightweight carbon-fiber, stainless, fluted/non-fluted, etc.etc.etc, but my personal preference is ss for the weight. Butler creek probably is the best buy for the $$, but hey, if you've got you a rich significant other, go get a Magnum Research. Just do a search for "10/22 barrels" on the net.

Other accessories. Get a good variable-power spotting scope. Not some $30 WalMart special. In my experience cheaper spotting scopes are just that. And get a tripod that you can use either prone or standing. Best for the money is Bushnell. And get a good hardshell gun case. I hate it when someone spends $500 on a setup and then $12.95 on a soft rug to "protect" it.

For a serious high-power rifle, that is a very individual choice (Recon will vouch that I am one picky opinionated insert your description here about my rifle). So I'll limit my opinions here.

There are lot's of choices for other accessories (too many to list here). What it all really boils down to is personal preference. Ask yourself how serious you are. If you're the recreational shooter or even the occasional tourney shooter, don't spend a months salary on a drag bag you'll never use. Start with the basics and build from there. I know it's tempting, but you don't have to buy everything at once. Find what works for you!

You know the email, so feel free to use it if you want some more opinions. Take care and be safe.

BD

[Watsy]

BD,
Thanks, that's the input I am looking for... there's so much to learn & sort out...I was
on the WEB all morning...saying wow that sounds good...etc...I could find tons of info but have no clue if I was going in the wrong direction...I am just starting but I don't want to buy everything twice...like you suggested about the scope...That's exactly what I am trying to avoid...When I shot the M1A yesterday, I learned I can use
my "Mickey Mouse" gun to get started and not spend that months pay now on a M1A...I just want to shoot "NRA" High Power with the boys...
No, Sugar daddy here...Just me and my
DOG...



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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Watsy,
There is a good Highpower league about
one hour as a Cop drives,west of you.
I shoot up there every now and then
because they have a great range.

Its just outside Albany,and Its called
Forbes range.
Don't say thats to far! I drive 200 miles to shoot there!
I should be up shooting at the next match,
I think its next weekend, but I'll have to check.
Respond here if your interested.
Semper fi
Sniperone

[WS-G]

Originally posted by bd:
Some people argue about practicing with a .22. Bull-puckey. Get you a .22 and practice.
This is sound advice for shoulder weapons and sidearms alike. The $125 I spent at the local pawnshop for a used Ruger Mark II was one of the best investments I ever made; it more than paid for itself the first time I took it out to the range and ran 1200 rounds of .22 LR through it before leaving. I could never afford that many rounds for my S&W 28 or my M-1991A1! I try to fire at least 100 rounds per week with it as a minimum.

I plan to purchase a .22 LR shoulder weapon for the same reason. Currently, the only shoulder arm I own is a Chinese SKS. I seldom have the cash to spare for live-firing it more than once or twice a month, however I do spend at least a few minutes daily dry-firing. Now if I could get 7,62×39 mm Warsaw Pact ammo as cheaply as .22 LR.... <VBEG>

[Watsy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by USMCSNIPERONE:

There is a good Highpower league about
one hour as a Cop drives,west of you.

Its just outside Albany,and Its called
Forbes range.
Respond here if your interested.

I am interested...although I have plans
for the next two weekends...If you could
email me the June's calendar I will certainly take the ride...

Nate's going to the range with me on Monday
the 7th...I can't wait...

Thanks,
Watsy


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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[This message has been edited by Watsy (edited 05-04-2001).]

[Sharky]

Girlfriend, there's a book out there called "Highpower Rifle" written by G. David Tubb. It will answer every question you can dream up about NRA Highpower. A must read believe me. David Tubb has won more championships than anybody out there and the book is worth it's weight in gold if you are or want to be a HP shooter. You can probably find it on Amazon.com. Personally, I used a Feinwerkbrau 300 air rifle for my training but that may be a little out of your range financially. It would have been out of mine if the government didn't supply it for me, that's for sure. Beeman makes a good air rifle for the money though. Here's a link that might provide a little insight about the 200 standing. Fire an e-mail if I can help out. And get an air rifle.
http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/Forum6/HTML/000334.html



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[Watsy]

You guys thanks for helping...with your
thoughts, comments and where to look...

Just to clear the air...I WANT to be a high power shooter...I know absolutely nothing except...I want it BAD...I shoot because I love to shoot... even before getting on the job...Just your basic Colt 1911 and scatter gun stuff...Always loved the smell of gun powder in the air...(Yes, I just read this you all must think I am nuts...) I am the happiest with a Colt cocked and locked in my belt, a nice Randall fighter, Ammo and bug spray...

When I went out this Thursday with the 308
all I can say is... I was on the ground prone
I pulled the trigger, the exuberance, the
share feeling of this is FABULOUS...not
to mention that I actually hit the target
and saw some dirt fly up from the burm...

My immediate reaction to the Husband and
Wife couple that was teaching me was...
Who needs a Man if you got on of these wrapped around your body??? It was right up there with that GREAT SEX!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

I know you are all shaking your heads...but I am S-E-R-I-O-U-S...
I loved it and I want it BAD...
Keep the help tips coming I love to LEARN...



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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[SSMV]

It is an adrenaline rush, but comparing it to great SEX "I" would not go that far. There is a wealth of info on here and if you read even some of the previous posts you will find enough info to last a long time (try the other forums like snipernet, scout/sniper, etc). However, I will be the first to say, getting involved in HP is going to be pretty expensive at first, but once you do it is a blast.

One thing I would do if I was just starting out is to start researching info about how to reload your own ammo. They say that each rifle will respond better to a certain type of round (grains, powder, and how you seat it) better than it will another round. Each rifle is going to be unique in some aspect and if you get into reloading you can play around with different settings to find what works best for your rifle. There will be hundreds of different settings for each round.

Good luck and keep us informed.

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Semper Fi

[RECON5]

Watsy - Now I know why you are so complimentary.........You are seriously DEPRIVED....comparing SEX with shooting a big rifle. I have to agree with SSMV it is a rush, but come on......

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[bd]

Watsy,

A serious note, you're getting into a good hobby. Just keep in mind that you don't need a $2k M1A1 right now. Concentrate on the basics, build your gear bag, and put a little aside each month for that "dream rifle". If you're serious, do it right. Don't settle for second best on your gear. Most importantly, get out there and have fun with it!

IMO, don't worry about reloading right now especially if you're just gretting started. You can do some neat and cool things with it, but I'd hold off for now. Definately something to consider when you get seriously into it. Salter brings up good points on the practicing too. And if you get a chance, link up with USMCSNIPERONE, he's the real deal and would be a great source of info for you.

Now, I'm not sure about that sex remark. I mean, don't kick me outta the club or anything, but my little rush is about 5'5" with blonde hair and blue eyes.

-BD

[Watsy]

Okay Boys, I will restate my opinion that it's like>>>>>>>>>>>GREAT SEX<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
It's like the "First" time you do anything NEW...the first time you had sex...
A hundred times later you may think http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif now...that's GREAT SEX...It's that whole bell curve...what can I tell you...I LIKED shooting the big gun a lot...Okay I would agree GREAT SEX is GREAT SEX>>>Period<<< but you all have to admit.. shooting the Big GUN is GOOD!!!

Keep the help tips coming...

<<Oh what a tuff crowd...>>

<<Quietly smiling it's right up there with
great sex...>>


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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

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[SSMV]

I'll tell you one thing though, you definetely know how to get a guys attention...coming on here and talking about great sex and HP rifles all in the same sentence. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Watsy,
The scedule for forbes range ::

May 12- I'm going cause its only 6 weeks
away from the N.Y. State Service rifle
championship.
Which is being held at Camp Smith,Peekskill
N.Y.June-29,30,July 1.
June 23-maybe,Might need the practice for
Camp Perry!
Aug 25-doubt it.
You should go to a match just to learn
all the fundimentals of range proticol,ect.
because they don't monkey around or wait
for you at the bigger matches.
I have all the catalogs,and info you need to get started.
One thing I have to mention is you won't
see any of those "Big Guns" winning anymore.
It's Black Magic all the way!

Semper fi Sniperone

[This message has been edited by USMCSNIPERONE (edited 05-06-2001).]

[Watsy]

SniperONE,
What's Black Magic...I will try to change
my calendar...Who do I call for directions
to this...
Thanks,
Watsy

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Black Magic is the M-16/AR-15.
There are people that will still argue the
case for the M-14/M1A,But they are getting
pretty scarce!
The M-16/AR-15 family of rifles are
completely dominating the Highpower world!
And yes that includes the 600yrd line.
There are shooters out there using it
at the 1000 and winning also!
I know its hard to believe it,but its due
mostly because its a more "user friendly"
weapon. Especially in the rapid fire coarses
of fire.
I'll get you directions to the range and
post them,maybe we can get more shooters to show up.
Semper fi Sniperone

[RogueExec]

Originally posted by Watsy:
SniperONE,
What's Black Magic...I will try to change
my calendar...Who do I call for directions
to this...
Thanks,
Watsy



No, no, Watsy......not the Black Magic that you and Kristen practice around the cauldron, silly...........jeez.

http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

[wolf 129]

Originally posted by William M Salter:
Currently, the only shoulder arm I own is a Chinese SKS. I seldom have the cash to spare for live-firing it more than once or twice a month, however I do spend at least a few minutes daily dry-firing. Now if I could get 7,62×39 mm Warsaw Pact ammo as cheaply as .22 LR.... <VBEG>

[/B]

Mr. Salter,
I am not sure about the laws in your AO regarding ammo purchases, but try www.tapco.com. (http://www.tapco.com.) That is where I buy my SKS ammo.

-Wolf

ps .22LR and a .410 are the only other long arms I currently own. Both are great fun and very easy on the wallet.


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"One of the inescapable encumbrances
of leading an interesting life is that
there have to be moments when you
almost lose it." -Jimmy Buffett

[WS-G]

Originally posted by wolf 129:
www.tapco.com. (http://www.tapco.com.)

<drool>

Thanks for the link. I haven't seen prices like that in years!

Not to mention... the sight of all those FN components really brought back some cool memories.

[Watsy]

Well,boys...I just got home from FOUR hours on the range...I found my "BZO" about 0930
didn't even know I had one...The Sgt. is a
great teacher...By end of his instructions
I was hitting the 200 yrds...With the AR...

<<Quietly smiling it's right up there with
Great SEX>>

I feel even more confident of that hitting the black is GREAT...Come on you MEN admit it is GREAT...

{SniperONE, Thanks.. your buddy is a good instructor...I appreciate the help...It would of taken a long time to learn what he was able to communicate...}

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[Watsy]

Well, As I prepare to go out and work a road
Job, I can appreciate those shooting jackets...My shoulder is "VERY" tender two
days after shooting...I guess thats why everyone's got them ha...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[RogueExec]

Originally posted by Watsy:
Well, As I prepare to go out and work a road job...



I've never heard it called THAT before...

[Watsy]

A paid overtime detail standing in the road...directing traffic for the day...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[Watsy]

Well, I am involved...I just purchased my shooting jacket (42){LOL}, stool, mit, and a really good cleaning rod...CLP...
I have less than two weeks to get ready for my first relay on the 20th..I was originally going only to observe but F$%^& it...I will watch the first relay and shoot the second...I got to engage sometime...
<<Quietly smiling it's right up there with
Great Sex>>

[Sharky]

Watsy.... a little unsolicited advice here.

1. Memorize the course of fire and the round counts before you go.

2. Practice setting your gear up on the line while you are at home.

Many shooters will get aggravated if they are having to stand around for too long waiting on you to get set up. If I can help let me know via e-mail.

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[Watsy]

Sharky...
Thanks just emailed you/// I need the help...
NRA...HP course of fire...All I know is I can hit 200 yards and that's it... will I be okay...There's NO girls on the team...they will all be watching...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[Watsy]

bd,
Thanks...what can I say...
I really appreciate it...
<<Merry Christmas Back..>>



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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[USMCSNIPERONE]

The course of fire:
200yrd slow fire standing,
20rnds,2 sighters.

200yrd rapid fire,sitting,
two strings of 10rnds,60 seconds per string
with a mag change.2 sighters.

300yrd rapid fire,prone,
two strings of 10rnds,70 seconds per string
with a mag change.2 sighters.

600yrd slow fire,prone,
20rnds in 20min.2 sighters.

load your mags ahead of time for the rapid
stages,2rnds in one mag 8 in the other.
shoot the first 2rnds,change mags,look in the scope quick to see if you have to adjust
then shoot the other 8.
that way if you are off with the 1st mag,its
only 2rnds not five.
Unless you have a top of the line spotting
scope forget it at the 300 because you won't
see the holes.If thats the case spend all
your time on the gun.don't forget to breath between EVERY shot!small short breaths like
a pant.

You have dope now for the 200yrd line,If
no one has told you what to use for the 300,
and 600 this might help.

200 to 300 come up about 2 1/2 min.
300 to600 come up about 11 min.
this will get you very close.

Center Shot Sports has the best Data book
around for the AR shooter,it has alot of info
on shooting,wind,ammo, ect.Thre e-mail is WWW.centershot.com (http://WWW.centershot.com)

Hope this helps,I meant to reply earlier
but,have been busy.
Semper fi Sniperone

[Watsy]

Thanks, you read my mind...I am going tomorrow... Monday to shoot...I appreciate it...I will check out the web address now...
What's your favorite ammo...Winchester .55
grain...any suggestions...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[USMCSNIPERONE]

The 55grn bullets are to light for serious
Highpower shooting.
I know you don't reload,so you are limited
in what you can use.You can buy Fed.
Gold medal 69's for the 200 and 300, or
Blackhills 73's or 75's for the 600.
Your Dept. may be able to get them at a
discount I don't know.
I use Berger 73's for the 200 and 300.
and Hornady 75 A-max's for the 600.

Good Luck
Semper fi
Sniperone

[Watsy]

ONE,
If I want to start hand loading what do you
suggest...I have a Dillon 500 series...Don't know if I can really use that I have been a
.45 acp gal prior to this...What types of
Dies, powder, bullet(s) etc...Please be brand specific...so I can start learning...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[This message has been edited by Watsy (edited 05-16-2001).]

[USMCSNIPERONE]

I suggest a single stage press like the
"Rock chucker".You want quality not quantity
Buy two standard .223 dies from Redding,
that is so you can set one up for short loads
200 and 300,and one for long loadsfor the 600
Digital scale and electric powder trickler.
That will speed things up abit but still
give the consistancy needed.

Powder wise try to keep with the Extreme
powders from Hodgdons like"VARGET" as they are not heat sensitive like other brands.
Try 24.5 grains of Varget,Win small rifle
primers,seat your short range bullets as far
out as you can and still be able to fit them
in your mags.
The long loads you want about 5/1000's off
the lands and grooves,they will all be single rnd loaded so this is possible.

It takes alot of time and testing to come up with YOUR best load. Have fun

Semper fi Sniperone

[Sharky]

SniperOne is dead on. Varget is good but we had better luck with the Vita Vhouri powders. The VV is some expensive stuff though so I wouldn't recommend a beginner spend that amount of money on a powder. The expense just doesn't justify the return.

As far as bullets go, we had a lot of luck with Bergers VLD's.

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[Watsy]

I have read about the rock chucker...and
the redding dies until I am SOOOOOOOOOOOO
confused...I want to scream...

Could someone straight me out here...

As "ONE" suggests the redding dies...
Okay which one???????????????????????????

My goal is to reload for the AR on the HP course of fire...

<<This is one of those time's I wish I was
Married then I would say, "Honey which one do I get???">>

<<This is Guy stuff...You just know that... don't you...>>


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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[USMCSNIPERONE]

You want the full length sizing die from
Redding.This will come with one full length
sizing die and one seating die.Then tell
them you want a extra seating die.This is so
you don't have to keep resetting your
seating depth for the two different loads
you will be making!
As for bullets here are your options:
200 and300
.69 sierra-very popular
.68 hornady and .75 hornady
.77 sierra-good and bad storys
.73 berger LTB which is a length tolerant
bullet,that shoots very well when stuffed
in the mag.this is what I use but it also
costs about twice what the others do.
600or long range bullets.
.80 sierra most popular
.75 hornady A-Max excellent BC
.75and.80 berger VLD top of the line in BC
also in price.

The reason I mentioned the extreme powders
from Hodgdons is because they only vary 25fps
in a 100 degree change in temp.
a blown primer in the middle of a rapid fire
stage can really ruin your day!!
you have to go to some matches and listen
to what people are doing and make your own
choices.Be careful though,I've seen guys give
out bum scoop and it really pisses me off
when I do!
They don't realize that the better the
compitition is the better they will shoot.

We also need to get as many shooters in the
sport if we want to keep it!!!
Any more ? just ask,I threw out my back
and will home for a few days playing on the
PC while it heals.
Semper fi Sniperone

[Watsy]

One:
Thanks...I just got home from the range...
I am shooting cheap ammo and it's still expensive...I have to put in the time and
I figure that's the way to go reloading...

I am going with the Rock chucker...
and the redding dies...As you suggessted...Calling Mo's now
to see what his price is...

I am going to observe a match on Sunday...The big boys will be shooting...
and hopefully shoot the following month...
Just really nervous about the 600yrds...
I don't think I can see that far...

I really appreciate the help...


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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[Forestboy]

Watsy,
The Range up here is 600 yds, there are targets in the sheds in the butts. SNIPERONE can probably let you know what targets you need to shoot at. I know the local PD's shoot up there cause when we did brass call at the end of the day we get lots of oddball empties, .380's .25ACP, .44 Mag, .357Mag and .357sig. I will get you the number to range control, during the week they don't have many requests for ranges, Reserves usually go on the weekends. If I get a day off in the next couple of weeks I will go up with you and give you a hand with wind calls and what not.
Nate

[This message has been edited by Forestboy (edited 05-19-2001).]

[Watsy]

Thanks...I will email you...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Thats easy! If its a 600 yrd range,it will
be the biggest target in the shed.
You guys will need someone to pull the targets for you and some radio's to communicate with,for safety sake.
I think its a 30 in bull but don't quote me
on that,I only worry about the 10 ring!!!
Let me know how you make out.

Nate, where the hell have you been?
Spring Turkey hunting or baby sitting?

Semper fi Sniperone

[Forestboy]

Sniperone,
Have you gotten any of my e-mails lately? Just checking.

Watsy,
Still working on the number for range control. Our training cheif has the day off, probably will have to wait till Monday or Tuesday when he comes back to work. I will look for a 30 inch bullseye for the 600 yd line.
Nate

[Watsy]

Nate,
I heard yesterday that the HP people are shooting at 100 yards reduced targets...Due to the fact there are only two 600 yard ranges...so we could concentrate on that for now...and with some good practice under my belt then go to the 600 yards range...I think I could get a couple of guys to go to the 600 yard range if you want target pullers as "ONE" suggests and we could all shoot different strings...I would be thrilled to go back to my range and we both shoot...

"ONE" - Redding has two dies...one that's the full die and one with a "black dial" on top to micro adjust the size...Just the basic one right??? What scale do you use???



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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Yes,just the basic one. The one with the dial is a competition seating die,which you don't need.All redding dies are built to the same tolerances and because you will be
shooting compressed loads with the .223
you have a good chance of ruining the comp.
die.BTDT,I only live about 30 miles from
there shop and have talked to them alot.

The 100yrd shoots are good practice, but
there is no wind to practice in!!!!!
I use a PACT scale.
Semper fi Sniperone

[This message has been edited by USMCSNIPERONE (edited 05-18-2001).]

[Watsy]

One:
Just got home from the match I met a distinguished shooter...USNR Franco Scarpino...Nice guy...he sat with me and
explained what was going on...I am hooked...
I will keep you posted...I did not shoot I
observed...on the 10th of June...I will...
Too chicken...It's a shame too...I could of
shot the second string with no pressure...
Thanks...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[RogueExec]

Originally posted by Watsy:
I could of
shot the second string with no pressure...


You think that's great, wait until they get to the Load Shooting Phase. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

[Watsy]

Rogue you are 110 percent correct...You mean me... load my rifle...I know there's pressure
but not the pressure of being prone with
over 45 men...and only one other female...
now that's pressure...

Rogue...you appear to be very spunky I think thats great...what's your secret...A good
weekend of R and R...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[Watsy]

ONE:
I told Franco all about you he said it took
him five years to make Distinguished...He had a lot of nice things to say about you
and your talents...

I thought you would like to know he shoots
for the Navy shooting team...he'll be at
Perry when you are...I doubt I will bump
into him again...It was just a chance thing...Hope you are doing well with the back...

I will ONLY respond on this BB...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[RogueExec]

Originally posted by Watsy:

Rogue...you appear to be very spunky I think thats great...what's your secret...A good
weekend of R and R...



Naaaaaaah. Nothing so grandiose. I just see humor in almost everything; myself especially.

I've never been described as "spunky" before. Kinda kewl. I'm still several steps from "Hazen-esque", which is my ultimate goal.

[WBRCRT]

I dont know that much about different ammunitions and whatnot....I'm just hoping someone says.....shallow breath's....like pant's again.......

[RogueExec]

Originally posted by WBRCRT:
I dont know that much about different ammunitions and whatnot....I'm just hoping someone says.....shallow breath's....like pant's again.......

Shallow breaths WITHOUT pants is better.

[Watsy]

You guys restore my faith in Men...Thank god
women have you guys to keep us on our toes...

Rogue...You are on a roll boy...go for it...
Your the "man"...twisted but the man...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[RogueExec]

Originally posted by Watsy:
You guys restore my faith in Men...

Your faith must have been dormant a looooooooooooooooooooong time.

Thank god
women have you guys to keep us on our toes...

I've never tried THAT position...

Rogue...You are on a roll boy...go for it...
Your the "man"...twisted but the man...


I got a Doberman pup for my son yesterday. I'm thinking it was a decent trade.

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Watsy,
I'll try to look up Franco while I'm at Perry
The Navy team helped me out last year when
My sling screwed up on me during the Pres.
100.
My back is still messed up.Got 208 rnds
loaded for a big 3 day match at Camp Smith,
Peekskill NY this weekend,entry fees paid,
rooms reserved Ect.
And here I am getting ready to go see a
specialist To see if its really serious or
not.
One of the matches is a LEG match, where I
hoped to finish up my Dist. points.
Really want to Leg out this year, its only
my 3rd season. Got two more big matches
and the Nationals so I should still make it.

Semper Fi Sniperone

[Watsy]

ONE:
I know how you feel I just got home from the
Doc myself...I pushed a S10 pickup out of the road on my detail Tuesday...I sprained
my back...No shooting for me this week...IOD
until the 01st...So I will work on dry firing
hope you are not seriously hurt...finishing your distinguished this year...Good Luck...
All my reloading gear should get here soon...
I just got my Turner sling and replacement
centers...I got that stuff at MO's...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[This message has been edited by Watsy (edited 05-25-2001).]

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Any of you BTDT's going to Camp Perry this
year?
If you are let me know,I would like to hook
up and say Hello!
I live to far away to get to any of your gatherings,but if you shoot in the NY or PA
Service rifle championships or out to the
Nationals I'll be there.
God willing my back gets better.

Semper Fi Sniperone

[Watsy]

Forestboy, and One...
It appears pushing a DMV out of the road on
the 22nd of May, herniated my disk...Just found that out yesterday...So I will not be
shooting (Standing)/w the AR...I went to the range yesterday with my Glock just to play had to...going stir crazy...IOD...like crazy...I go for an MRI...then find out if
I have to get cut...suggestions on shooting
just to enjoy shooting...Prone...any thoughts
One you said you just hurt your back...too...
Yes ofcourse I am dry firing at home...even
with the back...My post-it note next to my
phone says "Dry fire or be DEAD"...

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Watsy,
I'm going for a MRI also. I haven't been
able to work for 2 weeks now,as you can tell
buy my number of posts.
Looks like I might miss the PA service
rifle championship also.

Keep the faith
Semper Fi Sniperone

[Forestboy]

Watsy and Sniperone,
So how are everyones backs doing now? Y'all back to work yet? Hope so.
Nate

[Watsy]

Originally posted by Forestboy:
Watsy and Sniperone,
So how are everyones backs doing now? Y'all back to work yet? Hope so.
Nate
No not yet, I am broken but repairable they
tell me...a herniated disk on one side and
a bulging on the other side...So I learned
a good lesson call the tow truck next time...but hindsight is always 20.20 right...
No real shooting except playing with my Glock and Colt 1911...I am dry firing the
AR so I am trying to practice prone postion
but that's about it...
Watsy



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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[dragonrain]

Hey Watsy, what model Glock do you use?

Case
DR

[Watsy]

DR,
Issue is the 22...
and when I am just a gal on the town a
27 in a Blackhawk fanny pack...Both 40SW...
Watsy

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[dragonrain]

Ive been carying (ccp) a 17 for about 1/12 years and have decided its defenitly time to get a compact. doesnt matter where I cary the damn thing, you can always see the butt of the gun.

DR




[This message has been edited by dragonrain (edited 06-12-2001).]

[Watsy]

I Love my baby Glock and I carry the big mag
on my belt so I really have lots of firepower
with a very small signature...I find the
inside the pants holsters work best when I am trying to hide it...I have ordered some
nice plastic holsters from Skunkworks out in
Washington State he does nice custom work...
He's on the web...Very reasonable for the
quality you get...The other option is the
fanny pack but that says GUN in big letters
to me...but it's a summer hot weather must
have...Hope that helps...
Watsy

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[This message has been edited by Watsy (edited 06-12-2001).]

[dragonrain]

Thanks for the info Watsy, Ill check out skunkworks. Its right in my back yard.


DR

[RogueExec]

Yeah, it is.........and their stuff is gold. Another one to check out is L.E.E.D., down in Tacoma, but you'll need to be in LE or a licensed security specialist to buy anything.

[dragonrain]

Rogue, Does MallNinja count as licensed Security specialist? http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

OK, Ill stop bringing bagage from other threads.

DR

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Originally posted by Forestboy:
Watsy and Sniperone,
So how are everyones backs doing now? Y'all back to work yet? Hope so.
Nate

Nate,
My back is toast, can't drive,walk,run,
shoot or anything in between.
My kids even have to tie my boots for me!

Got to see a Neuro-surgeon in the morning
to get the real scoop,wish me luck,my rifle is crying for me!

Semper Fi Sniperone

[RogueExec]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dragonrain:
Rogue, Does MallNinja count as licensed Security specialist? http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/wink.gif

Negative. I have to admit though, the internet is like a great ocean.......you never know what kind of shit will float by.

OK, I'll stop bringing baggage from other threads.

DR

Why not invite him over to our little home-away-from-home here. I'd be interested to see what kind of stack formation they use when they do a hostile entry in the food court.

[Forestboy]

Sniperone,
That sucks. If the rifles need to be shot, I'll be back around the 16th/17th of July and can take them out for you. LOL. Aren't you glad you have kids? Otherwise you would end up owing the wife big time! Let me know if there is anything I can do for you.
Nate

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Nate you can come and shoot my rifles
anytime,someone has you show you admin.types
which end of the thing the BB's come out of!
LOL

I already lost all my accrued brownie points
with my wife,she has been doing everything
around here for about a month now.
I bought her a new walk behind weed wacker
for our wedding annivesary,so she could
do the yard work faster.
I did find out,Do Not say anything except
"Looks Great Honey!"

Semper Fi Sniperone

[Forestboy]

They come out the same end you put them in don't they? Just cause I work in Ops doesn't mean I'm an admin guy darn it. If I was an admin guy I would have a LOT more ribbons than I have now. "It looks great Honey!"-You should have known that already, how long have you been married? Well gotta work some.
Watching the daughter at work today, she got kicked out of daycare, she bites the other kids, I told the daycare lady to bite her back, but she is a "Timeout" parent. Arden is a "If you don't spank me, I'm a good girl." person (Thanks to her mother.). Nate

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Well, the verdict is in, no shooting this year.
The MRI shows a massive ruptured disk.
The neuro-surgeon says I need surgery ASAP.
The holdup is workers comp. they want their
own doctors to examine me.
My Doc. says he can speed up the process as
i've already seen three different doctors.

I told them The weren't putting me under for
the operation,My doc laughed and said
No problem!

Never been cut on before so if I come out
all F@#KED up and can't walk or something
I'll post the Docs name so someone can
come up here and help me get even!!

Semper Fi Sniperone

[dragonrain]

USMCSNIPERONE, my pops went through the same surgery in the 70s when it wasnt allowed in the States, He had to have it done in Canada just to have it redone in the States in the 80's. Im sure youll be fine man. I had exploritory done on my Abdomine and That sucked. Couldnt sit up for two weeks.
Best of luck bud. You'll be back shootin in no time.

Case
DR

[This message has been edited by dragonrain (edited 06-25-2001).]

[Watsy]

Good Luck !!!

On the surgery...You will be fine...

I know what you are going through believe
me...

Watsy

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Thanks all, Guess I'm just alittle nervous
about the whole thing.
The doc said that he is concerned about
permanent damage to the nerves right now.
which is not what I needed to hear to boost
my moral. Thanks again!

Semper Fi Sniperone

[Tracy]

Originally posted by USMCSNIPERONE:

Never been cut on before so if I come out
all F@#KED up and can't walk or something
I'll post the Docs name so someone can
come up here and help me get even!!


Remember, the last thing you'll hear before going under is the Doctor saying "Now, this won't hurt me a bit..."

p.s. before you get cut, make the doc isn't a registered necrofiliac...

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Originally posted by Tracy:
Remember, the last thing you'll hear before going under is the Doctor saying "Now, this won't hurt me a bit..."

p.s. before you get cut, make the doc isn't a registered necrofiliac...



Tracy, Thats why I'm doing the surgery Wide
awake! I'll be up for the whole thing, they
will numb it like the epidural that women
get for delivering a pup.

I want to hear the Doc say "OOPS" or
"OH SHIT". Workers Comp postponed it for
another 10 days yesterday so they can check
me out again. I think they just want to watch me suffer.

Semper Fi Sniper"Oh My Aching Back" One

[RogueExec]

Any word, WATSY?? Surgery or not???

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Originally posted by RogueExec:
Any word, WATSY?? Surgery or not???

Same here Watsy hows the back?

I go under the knife July 27th at 0600.Then
8 weeks of physical therapy and if all turns
out good I'll be archery hunting in Oct!!

If not I'll probably be one miserable little
prick.I've been off work since May 13th and
My wife said that my S/S equinimity(sp) is
wearing thin! I can't imagine what she is talking about.
Hey Nate ! If I can't pull my bow back I'm
going to use something that goes "Bang" and
Have you come and drag it to the taxidermist
for me.

Semper Fi Sniperone

[Forestboy]

Sniperone,
I may use one that goes bang too, if my new bow isn't doing so good. It opens on Monday and I have a 72 the next weekend so I'll be there that weekend if you need help.
Nate

[Watsy]

Originally posted by USMCSNIPERONE:
Same here Watsy hows the back?
Semper Fi Sniperone

SniperOne: I just learned on 11 July, I do not need to have surgery...I have to do a
"spinal PT" program at the rehab hospital to
strengthen and learn how to move correctly,
(read between the lines...Do not push Trucks off the road...ever again that's why they
make tow trucks...)I have not shot in seven
weeks...I have done absolutely nothing...I am going nuts...I got all my dies the week this happened and they are calling me...set me up but I can't right now...All I do is dry fire my AR and wish I could shoot...
Sniperone...Good Luck with the surgery...do everything they say...and heal...I want you to get your medals...

Nate: I will be back by Fall some time...

Broken but repairable...

Watsy




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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[Forestboy]

Watsy,
I leave for Virginia in about 25 days, won't be back till Oct but I will have my AR by then so we will have to shoot sometime, may have to wait till spring though as all the hunting seasons will be open when I get back and I'd rather shoot at moving targets, LOL. If I get lucky with my bow and fill my tags early we could shoot around the begining of Nov? Let me know when you have time off after you finish your healing PT.
Nate

[Watsy]

Nate, have fun when you get back let me know...after you get all your "tags" done...

USMCSniperONE...
How are you feeling after your surgery???
Are you up and walking yet...I was saying
some prayers for your the day you got cut...It could of been me...I am just being retrained and repaired
I hope all is well...

Watsy

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Well, I'm still alive! The only thing the doc said I can do is walk! The surgery went
fine I had the spinal to numb it,but I
refused the sedative, so I was wide awake
for the whole thing.The Doctor and Nurses
all thought it was cool,cause I kept asking
questions like " how come its so quiet?"Huh?

I was only in overnite and walked 1 mile the next day. After one week I'm up to 4miles in
45min.
I have 4weeks of doing nothing but walking,
then 4 more weeks of physical therapy after
that.
So, you can probably tell I'm pretty bored!

Hey Nate you have incoming.

Watsy, thanks for the prayers

Semper Fi Sniperone

[dragonrain]

SniperOne, Good to hear you came out of it all right. May you be well and on the range soon.


Case
DR

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"Close only counts in horse shoes and drunk sex"

[Watsy]

SniperOne,
How's your back are you shooting HP yet?
Let me know how you are doing...I go back to work next month...If all goes well...
Regards,
Watsy

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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton

[USMCSNIPERONE]

Watsy,
Have had to take the whole High power season off. I did coach our three USMC League teams to a one,two,three finish at the PA. USMC League Service Rifle Championship!!! We also took 4 out of the top five places for individuals! Not bad considering there were over 300 shooters! The Boys are getting me a Coaching Trophy for my efforts.
My back isn't to bad after surgery,but I have nerve damage to the nerve going to my right leg. This, according to the Doc, may or may not repair itself.
It leaves my right leg about 40% weaker than my left.The Doc said he might fit me with a brace tomarrow to help with stability problems. http://www.socnetcentral.com/ubboard/frown.gif The Comp. Doctor will not release me for work yet. Was bored all summer,but hunting season has arrived and thank God for ATV's! http://www.socnetcentral.com/ubboard/biggrin.gif I can ride to my hunting spots!

Take care and don't be a stranger to the boards!

Semper Fi Sniperone

[Watsy]

SniperOne,
Outstanding Job coaching !!! Wow, that's a great record...You should be proud...I hope the nerve damage takes care of itself...I know the feeling of working hard at PT and being frustrated by the "little" set backs,
it's a very long process...I hope to be on the line next spring with the boys from the HP club...LOL..."NEXT" year seems to be all I have been saying...since I injuried my back...I check the boards often, just do not have much to say since 11 September 01.
Be Safe ~ Watch your six.
Watsy


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Take calculated risks.
That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton