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mrwill
7 May 2008, 14:34
http://bangornews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=164000&zoneid=500

I'm originally from the Bangor, Maine area, and unfortunately so is Stephen King. He is, and always has been (IMHO) a boisterous ass. Everything from swearing at kids on our baseball team when we played against his son's team 18 or so years ago to him coming into the grocery store smelling like a bag of trash all the time. Yes, this is the same area where the fat girl set up the flags on the ground so people would step on them. Well, here's a bit he contrived about his thoughts on the war and the military:

Stephen King fires back after blogger attacks remarks
By The Associated Press
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - Bangor Daily News


BANGOR, Maine — Stephen King has fired back at conservative critics who attacked him over a remark he made a month ago at a writers symposium for high school students.

A blogger jumped on King’s statement at the Library of Congress about the importance of reading in which he suggested poor readers have limited prospects, including service in the Army.

"I don’t want to sound like an ad, a public service ad on TV, but the fact is if you can read, you can walk into a job later on. If you don’t, then you’ve got the Army, Iraq, I don’t know, something like that. It’s not as bright," King said at the April 4 event in which he was accompanied by his wife Tabitha and son Owen.

Blogger Noel Sheppard likened the comment to former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry’s remarks that if you don’t get a good education, "you get stuck in Iraq."

"Nice sentiment when the nation is at war, Stephen," Sheppard wrote.

King fired back Monday.

"That a right-wing-blog would impugn my patriotism because I said children should learn to read, and could get better jobs by doing so, is beneath contempt," he said in a statement posted on his Web site.

King said he supports the troops but believes the war in Iraq is a "waste of national resources ... and that includes the youth and blood of the 4,000 American troops who have lost their lives there and for the tens of thousands who have been wounded."

"I live in a National Guard town, and I support our troops, but I don’t support either the war or educational policies that limit the options of young men and women to any one career — military or otherwise," King said.

And here is my readers-write response:
(I encourage you to throw your comments in there to the paper if you so desire)


So “Steve”, you say your argument is that kids should learn to read so that their options aren’t limited to “The Army and Iraq”. First of all, to educate you, the military tests every recruit using the ASVAB testing method, which ENSURES they can read. No military branch accepts recruits that can not read. Sure, the military has granted waivers lately on smaller criminal offenses, but every military member can read. I would leave the debunking of your argument at that, but let me educate you further. What I believe you meant to say was that you want to see a better education system take form so that young people have a broader range of career options. That would have been acceptable. However, this “awful war machine” you portray the Army and military as helps many young people not only grow in many ways, but also enables them to further their education. You portray the military as a “last resort” for those who have no options, jumping on the bandwagon that so many uninformed celebrities do, using your undeserved privilege of influencing the public. But that’s ok, that’s what we, the United States military veterans have provided for you, a warm blanket of freedom where you can speak your mind without thought of repercussion. You portray the military as a haven for illiterate kids with no other option, as though it’s a home for wayward miscreants. I think your pity and helpful desires should be focused instead on the education system that failed the children that can’t read, or maybe the social and economic conditions that brought about the lack of education for those children, instead of focusing on the military as the problem. It was the Army who took me in when I enlisted, bottom 1/5 of my high school class and who gave me the discipline I lacked in school. It gave me enough discipline to study incredibly hard and ace the SAT’s, and gave me a shot at prep school and subsequently, the United States Military Academy, otherwise known as “West Point”. I went from serving as an enlisted infantryman to being an officer and having the privilege to leading 40 of the finest Infantry Soldiers out there in the invasion of Iraq, and going on to lead a company of 150 combat arms Soldiers a few years later.

You talk about your pity for us, spilling our blood, like we were forced into our service. In case you haven’t noticed, there is no more draft. We VOLUNTEERED to shoulder this burden. I volunteered to fight, to lead my Soldiers and to die if necessary for our country. Keep in mind I said “country.” I know you are opposed to President Bush’s policies as many are. That is fine, and there are many Soldiers and Officers out there that disagree with his policies and decisions as well. However, we serve our country, regardless of who is the Commander in Chief. We serve because we believe in the idea of the United States, being a free country where a kid from the bottom 1/5 of his class from nowhere Maine can go to an Ivy League school just based on effort, a country where a horror novelist can politically influence others while having no political experience himself.

You dole out pity for our spilled blood, but you don’t even know what you pity us for. Your pity is useless to us because we don’t want your pity. We just want to know we did all we could. I can live with the fact that I am permanently disabled because of my service and having to take 6 different medicines every day to deal with the pain. I can deal with my mind being racked with gore and sheer horror some nights from what I have seen in Iraq. I can reason through the fact that this war has taken away more than a few friends, West Point classmates and Soldiers I led, and taken away the limbs and sight of more friends. I can even keep myself calm when a UMF college student who has never fought for her country and seen her friends die horrible deaths for their country and flag, puts our flag on the ground so people can trample on it and it’s ideals. I can try to understand that she is young, naïve, and will never know the sacrifice the Veteran’s made to give her that right. But what I can’t understand is why you think we want pity. Every day I think to myself that I haven’t done enough. Every day I try to give something else to our country. I gave everything I could to my country when it asked it of me. I gave all I had when Clinton was president, and I still do, with President Bush. I will continue to do so when our next President takes office. It’s a tough fight, and the Army and the rest of the military is taking some scrapes, but we are fighting on, fighting for our country, our flag, and for everything it represents. We don’t need pity, we just need to know we gave everything we could. Let's make a deal Steve, you stick to writing books and I will stick to shouldering the burden of this war without complaint. Deal?

Husker19D30
7 May 2008, 15:51
Sir, your sentiment is excellent, but paragraphs are your friend!

8Ball
7 May 2008, 15:54
Nicely put, Mr. Will!
I graduated 3rd in my class in High School. And...........OMG!! The Humanity.....I joined the Army of my own free will.:eek:
I, for one, am thankful I didnt go right to college. The military has made me who I am today and I wouldnt change one thing......(well, maybe one or two).

mrwill
7 May 2008, 16:05
Sir, your sentiment is excellent, but paragraphs are your friend!

lol, agreed! I think my anger was clouding my paragraph forming skills!

mrwill
7 May 2008, 22:57
Here is the Army's reponse to King's comments:

http://bangornews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=164036&zoneid=500

Army has its say after King remark about reading, military
By The Associated Press
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - Bangor Daily News


BANGOR, Maine - The Army is weighing in on writer Stephen King’s remark about literacy and the military that drew the ire of conservative critics this week.

King came under fire from a blogger for what he told students while stressing the importance of reading at the Library of Congress on April 4: "The fact is if you can read, you can walk into a job later on. If you don’t, then you’ve got the Army, Iraq, I don’t know, something like that," King said.

The ensuing flap drew a response Wednesday from U.S. Army spokesman Paul Boyce, who said most soldiers are avide readers and that military recruits test above the national average in reading and vocabulary skills.

"America’s soldiers are proudly serving and fighting for us all. We can be proud of our soldiers’ selfless service, their skill and their ingenuity. They certainly are role models for every high-school student in America considering a noble career ... and many book authors," Boyce said.

King’s office couldn’t be reached immediately for comment Wednesday.

Previously, King said Monday that he supports the troops but believes the war in Iraq is "waste of national resources ... and that includes the youth and blood of the 4,000 American troops who have lost their lives there and for the tens of thousands who have been wounded."

"I live in a National Guard town, and I support our troops, but I don’t support either the war or educational policies that limit the options of young men and women to any one career — military or otherwise," King said.

KJ
8 May 2008, 09:32
So, do I interpret these comments as saying, "I support the troops, but I think they are all uneducated idiots."?

BTW, "The Mist" sucked.

Camel
8 May 2008, 09:53
Well, anyone who would put themselves in harms way so that others do not have to must be a little slow in the head :rolleyes:

Claemore
8 May 2008, 10:04
In my opinion, the only movie that was based on something he did that didn't suck was Stand By Me.

CDRODA396
8 May 2008, 10:15
Anyone making these types of statements hasnt a clue as to what it takes to serve this Great Country in todays Army...an Infantryman with a blanket and a rifle are long, long gone.

Today in order to succed in the modern Army, you have to be an intelligent, mechanically inclined, computer proficient, thinking man...just conducting a local patrol somewhere down range, you had to turn in some kind of conop, probably in a combination of Word and PowerPoint, know how to program, check and operate your IMBTR, program and operate either one or more big radios, turn on and operate a C4I system, operate various other electronic gizmos, GPS's, etc. and constantly be assessing where you are, where you men are, where potential threats are, and be wargaming in your mind potential actions on contact, all the while interacting with the local population keeping in mind the potential impact of your actions with them....if you make contact, you have to assess the enemy, you and your men's situation, address the threat with direct, indirect if available/possible, fixed and rotary-wing air support, coordinate MEDEVAC if required and coordinate the arrival of additional forces if required, that may be from another service/country..then address enemy forces captured and still deal with civilians on the scene.

Anyone who thinks this is the bastion of High School Dropouts is a complete and total ASSCLOWN that needs a little time downrange and a taste of the complexity that is modern warfare at the ground level.

Husker19D30
8 May 2008, 10:33
Anyone making these types of statements hasnt a clue as to what it takes to serve this Great Country in todays Army...an Infantryman with a blanket and a rifle are long, long gone.

I used to read quite a bit of Stephen King before I figured out he's not actually all that good an author (or even storyteller).

The dude has never had the slightest understanding of military service, our ethos and mindset, our history and sociology, let alone the more mundane factual aspects of military service.

Greenhat
8 May 2008, 10:37
Anyone who thinks this is the bastion of High School Dropouts is a complete and total ASSCLOWN that needs a little time downrange and a taste of the complexity that is modern warfare at the ground level.


Steel on Target.

Let Mr. King go downrange and find out that the real dummy is him.

SOTB
8 May 2008, 10:46
Let Mr. King go downrange and find out that the real dummy is him.Hey, if nothing else it could get him to finally stop writing horror stories about Maine. What, they don't have aliens, demons, and ghosts in Iraq?

magician
8 May 2008, 10:50
MrWill.... freakin' SUPERB pasting of a millionaire asshat.

Hat's off to you.

:)

RGR.Montcalm
8 May 2008, 10:55
How about a SOCNET underwritten trip to downtown Baghdad for ol' Stevie?

Dress him in a set of ACU's and a vest that says, "I'm an unarmed American" and turn him loose in Sadr city.

if he survives the day, he will have a whole new appreciation of what an assclown he is....:rolleyes:

ex
8 May 2008, 11:09
One of the comments to the article linked above:

"I support the troops, just not the war, or their mission".
Yeah, I support teachers, just not EDUCATION. The mission IS what the troops are doing. GEEZE Mr King, take all your money and buy a CLUE!
:D

ratamojada
8 May 2008, 11:15
Sir,
Kick ass response. I love how the self important (predominantly leftist celebrities) have had to restrain their obvious disdain for the military and those that serve. It was the only positive outcomes from the "baby killer" approach post Vietnam. The general public is extremely pro military and the only response the left can muster is the "I support the troops but not the war" slogan.

It is the only way they can keep themselves from being drummed out of public conversation and beat down in the streets.

In this case "political correctness" has worked in our favor.

Fuck Stephen King and his P.O.S. pulp novels. Whatever happened to writers like Hemingway etc. Men who actually lived life?
Rata

IrishEKU
8 May 2008, 11:25
WTFG! mr will!

Great post! I am no where near as eloquent as you because I'm one of those "knuckle draggin" unread individuals that king alludes to.

I hope he doesn't have stock in Amazon.com, I don't know how much coin I drop on books there and in local book stores.

JRB11
8 May 2008, 11:39
Maybe he's still brain damaged from that car-ped he was involved in years ago. Haven't read any of his shit in many years, but the movie "The Mist" was pretty damn good. FWIW, I graduated in 79 with a 1.07 gpa (kind of an underachiever), but scored high enough on the entrance exam my recruiter said I could have pretty much any MOS I wanted. I still remember the smirk on his face when this shoulder length, hair parted in the middle kid said SF.

KJ
8 May 2008, 12:28
Haven't read any of his shit in many years, but the movie "The Mist" was pretty damn good.

Really? Next to "No Country for Old Men", I thought that was one of the worst ending movies I have seen in ten years.


And BTW, I like SK as an author. His accident was a van that hit him. He is a good writer, IMHO. But my advice would be to not waste your money or time on "The Mist". Maybe he is hitting the booze again?

Husker19D30
8 May 2008, 14:09
Really? Next to "No Country for Old Men", I thought that was one of the worst ending movies I have seen in ten years.


And BTW, I like SK as an author. His accident was a van that hit him. He is a good writer, IMHO. But my advice would be to not waste your money or time on "The Mist". Maybe he is hitting the booze again?

Honestly I think the problem might be that he's NOT hitting the booze anymore.

8Ball
8 May 2008, 14:24
I guess that was the point I was making. Sometimes I feel like the general population thinks the Army is made up of a bunch of Neanderthals. In social circles or even working in the hospital, I have had countless individuals say I am too intelligent to be in the military. I should have went to medical school, etc. I know it is meant as a compliment but I usually feel like it is a slap in the face. Then, I have to go into my speal about todays Infantryman has to be intelligent and we are not just a bunch of apes pulling triggers. To most of their credit, they are clueless about the military and have never served so I try to make it informative.

JRB11
8 May 2008, 14:30
Shit, maybe thats my problem....but I liked the movie, can't remember if the story ended the same way as the movie though.

Johan
9 May 2008, 04:12
Sometimes I feel like the general population thinks the Army is made up of a bunch of Neanderthals.

It is no surprise. Most of American under certain age has no direct experience with military, does not even have indirect experience with military- such as Family member who is in military.

I do not know #s for US military, but my guess would be far less than 10% of US population has direct or indirect experience with US military.

More than 20 time since my current stay in USA begin, I have surprise someone at dinner or party when discussion is of military and US military. "American Army is best Army in world right now", and I am looked at like I am insane. I then explain that Army with large % of combat unit in combat for multiple deployment, which retains many of its Soldier, and has very low loss in combat (as compared thru history), this is very experienced, 'smart' (wise in way of fighting) Army.

Usually, person I speak to is pleasantly surprised. They do not have disrespect for American Army, they lack basic knowledge about what an Army does, how it does it, and what makes Army good or bad.

It is not for America maybe- I am not comparing and saying 'this is better', but I think there is benefit from mandatory service for short (~2 years) time. Then you have majority of person in that Nation at least have seen what military actually does, and what professional military Man is and does for his life.

I like books by King very much. Short stories are often excellent, sometimes brilliant in my opinion.

But if Mr. King was Private First Class King for 2 years, maybe he would understand that intelligence, wisdom and education are not the same.

Regards,

Massgrunt
9 May 2008, 04:43
Great post Johan. I'd have to agree, civilians are shockingly ignorant about the military culture, duties, capabilities, everything. I really didn't know as much as I thought I did before joining up. I also agree that a short mandatory service would be a good thing, although I'm not sure it's practical. Bigger brains than me would have to decide.

The ignorance isn't limited to civilians either. In boot camp, I got asked a lot why I was going infantry since I "seemed pretty smart". Granted, those guys were also boots and still reeking of civilian life, but that stereotype is way off. I knew plenty of very bright guys in my battalion.

Hot Mess
9 May 2008, 04:57
controlled pair

Hot Mess
9 May 2008, 04:58
I then explain that Army with large % of combat unit in combat for multiple deployment, which retains many of its Soldier, and has very low loss in combat (as compared thru history), this is very experienced, 'smart' (wise in way of fighting) Army.


Not sharpshooting you bro, but one of the major factors in the low loss of life is the advent of medical technology and speeding casualties to the rear. I know more than a few guys who would argue that the big Army is not working smarter;) Other than that I agree with you.

8Ball
9 May 2008, 06:21
Great response Johan.
Comments from the likes of King just stereotype and pertpetuate the myth.

Massgrunt,
That is the exact response I always got. "Why are you Infantry?"
Hell, when I showed up at 82nd Repo, one of the first SFC's I met was inproccessing me and said "I was looking at your ASVAB scores, what are you doing here?" Now, I am not a rocket scientist but at 18 y/o I was a little taken a back. Now, 18 years later I realize I should have said "the same reason you are." And, then I could have started knocking out push ups..........
And, like you, some of the brightest people I have ever met, I was serving alongside. My brother, who started out an 11B with me, is a current and long standing 18D with a degree in Pre-Med and one of my personal hero's.

Take Care.

magician
9 May 2008, 06:35
Have you guys looked at the current Ranger Handbook?

Anyone who can write a patrol order using that monstrosity has got to have some brain cells.

And Johan.... I have to agree. I think that some form of mandatory service for the kids in our country before they attend university would increase graduation rates, and truly make kids more serious when they pursue their BA's. Getting them some eye opening real-world experience could only be a good thing.

Maybe you could subsidize tuition by having kids work for the Public Health Service, or teach on reservations, or just clean up downtown, and work as Big Brothers and Big Sisters in YMCAs. No idea.

But if they do not want to serve in the military, and I am certain that I do not want draftees in my Army, then they should work for the Peace Corp, or for one of those alternative agencies that have faded in relevance and mindshare over the years.

SOTB
9 May 2008, 07:37
....can't remember if the story ended the same way as the movie though.No, the book and movie endings were not the same. IMO, both endings were good, although the movie ending had a number of "environmental" errors....

0699
9 May 2008, 08:22
...And Johan.... I have to agree. I think that some form of mandatory service for the kids in our country before they attend university would increase graduation rates, and truly make kids more serious when they pursue their BA's. Getting them some eye opening real-world experience could only be a good thing.

Maybe you could subsidize tuition by having kids work for the Public Health Service, or teach on reservations, or just clean up downtown, and work as Big Brothers and Big Sisters in YMCAs. No idea.

But if they do not want to serve in the military, and I am certain that I do not want draftees in my Army, then they should work for the Peace Corp, or for one of those alternative agencies that have faded in relevance and mindshare over the years.

+2. I don't want to bring back the draft. I'm of the opinion "if you don't want to be here, I don't want you here."

Having said that, is there anyway that government benefits such as student loans and such can be tied to national service? It seems that the federal government gives away a lot of money every year for business loans, student loans, etc; shouldn't we be able to control who gets it?

I understand that not everyone would be suited for the military, but if we brought back organizations like the Civilian Conservation Corps and required service before you were eligible for government loans or grants, maybe the young people receiving these grants and loans would be more responsible in their adult life.

MPCOA
9 May 2008, 08:42
I really don't know what can be done about the disconnect between society and the military.

I have seen guys in the military who don't really get what the infantry does*cough Camp Liberty cough*

Brianj
9 May 2008, 10:19
I really don't know what can be done about the disconnect between society and the military.

IMO, ignorance of the military is as American as apple pie...and for good reason, I think. Americans have never needed to be a very 'martial' people. For most of our history, geograhphic isolation was (and probably still is) our primary source of defense. We didn't have to rely upon our military prowess for our very survival, like the Prussians or Russians or even the French (well, before 1870 anyway:rolleyes:), and most early Americans were simply mistrustful of a standing army.

We've always been ambivalent toward our soldiers: proud of them in war (until perhaps Vietnam), willfully ignorant of them in peace. The "minuteman" idea was that we only had soldiers when we really needed them, and after that, well, they went back to the farm or factory. Even in the "Greatest Generation", as grateful as the nation was to the veterans of WWII, nearly all of them couldn't get their uniforms off quickly enough and "get on with their lives" in the civilian world. Almost overnight, military service was not something many able-bodied men wanted any part of. It was only the growing role of new technologies like aviation and nuclear power that would elevate military service to a viable career option for many.

So I expect passive ignorance of the military - I'm very cool with that. What pisses me off most is active ignorance...about anything (someone trying to speak with authority on something they know nothing about). Unfortunately, in the age of sound-bite expertise and blogs Oprah-ology, active ignorance is rampant...

ratamojada
9 May 2008, 11:20
Not sharpshooting you bro, but one of the major factors in the low loss of life is the advent of medical technology and speeding casualties to the rear. I know more than a few guys who would argue that the big Army is not working smarter;) Other than that I agree with you.

I don't want to speak for Johan but I think he was implying that the military is not being numerically strained by combat casualties.

I do agree that the military still does the same old bureaucratic B.S. Just get a good re-read of Catch-22. Some things just don't change.

I'm just waiting for the next new war to start so we can have 6 mos. of fun before all the pogues, ladder climbers and bureaucrats show up. ;)

Rata

Camel
9 May 2008, 12:22
I really don't know what can be done about the disconnect between society and the military.

I have seen guys in the military who don't really get what the infantry does*cough Camp Liberty cough*

Hahah, the other day i found out i "live in the red zone" I know the green zone is now the IZ, but some of these people who made up the "red zone" don't even know what it looks like. The "red zone", i always just called it iraq.

Hot Mess
9 May 2008, 13:23
I'm just waiting for the next new war to start so we can have 6 mos. of fun before all the pogues, ladder climbers and bureaucrats show up. ;)

Rata

NO SHIT:eek: It's the wild west when things kick off and its fun! Then GO's show up and things get DUMB! Who'da thunk someone could take the fun out of going to war.

8Ball
9 May 2008, 13:50
And Johan.... I have to agree. I think that some form of mandatory service for the kids in our country before they attend university would increase graduation rates, and truly make kids more serious when they pursue their BA's. Getting them some eye opening real-world experience could only be a good thing.

Maybe you could subsidize tuition by having kids work for the Public Health Service, or teach on reservations, or just clean up downtown, and work as Big Brothers and Big Sisters in YMCAs. No idea.

But if they do not want to serve in the military, and I am certain that I do not want draftees in my Army, then they should work for the Peace Corp, or for one of those alternative agencies that have faded in relevance and mindshare over the years.

Excuse my foggy memory guys, or too much Beer.....Doesnt Germany have a two year mandatory service? If so, how does it work out for them in modern times?


Thanks!

Hot Mess
9 May 2008, 14:00
Excuse my foggy memory guys, or too much Beer.....Doesnt Germany have a two year mandatory service? If so, how does it work out for them in modern times?


Thanks!

Like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Germany

8Ball
9 May 2008, 16:41
Thanks Sir. I remember doing a JRTC rotation with their Paras and discussing it a little. I just wasnt sure. Of course, that was after we spent an extra 3 days in "the box" looking for a lost M-16 only to be told later the Germans had disassembled it and had it in 5 different bags for a trip over the pond......

Billy L-bach
9 May 2008, 22:54
If you change a few letters around, Stephen King actually rhymes with "stupid hollywood douche bag"

racing_snake
17 June 2008, 22:07
Well, I think Stephen King calling anyone stupid has to be taken with a grain of salt. This is a guy that got hit by a vehicle, because he had his nose down in a book while he was walking. I think it goes back to that old precedent, if you have trouble chewing gum, and walking, dont chew gum, and walk.

HMdepperNavy
18 June 2008, 01:29
He's a failed English teacher who writes crappy ass stories (i.e. IT). Who cares what he has to say.

Typhoon
18 June 2008, 11:52
He's a failed English teacher who writes crappy ass stories (i.e. IT). Who cares what he has to say.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy...All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy...All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy...All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy...All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy...All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy...All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy...All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy...All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy...All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy... :D

freds4
18 June 2008, 17:52
Am I the only one who read that Stephen King was strung out on cocaine during the time he wrote some of his most popular books?
I ask because no one brought it up and so am doubting myself, especially since I cannot recall the source.
Whenever I read about any celebrity making a comment like this I have to wonder why anyone listens to them. Would you ask your plumber about brain surgery?