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agonyea
10 May 2008, 22:24
Sadrist bloc buckles, agrees to let Iraqi Army in Sadr City
By Bill RoggioMay 10, 2008 10:54 AM

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/05/sadrist_bloc_buckles.php

After over six weeks of heavy fighting in and around the Mahdi Army stronghold Sadr City, where Mahdi Army forces took lopsided casualties in the fighting, the government and the Sadrist political bloc have signed an agreement to end the fighting. The agreement will allow for the Iraqi military to operate freely inside Sadr City while the Mahdi Army must halt its fighting.

The negotiations, which took place over the course of the last several days, culminated in the signing of a 14-point agreement. Both Iraqi government spokesman Ali al Dabbagh and Sadrist spokesman Sheikh Salih al Ubaydi confirmed an agreement was reached.

The full details of the agreement are not public. According to several press reports, the Mahdi Army has made major concessions to the Iraqi government, including allowing the Army to enter Sadr City. There is no agreement for the Mahdi Army to fully disarm, as Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki has insisted since the conflict began on March 25.

The major points of the agreement, based on press reports, are as follows:

• The Iraqi government and the Mahdi Army would observe a four-day cease-fire.
• At the end of the cease-fire, Iraqi forces would be allowed to enter Sadr City and conduct arrests if warrants have been issued, or if the Mahdi Army is in possession of medium or heavy weapons (rocket-propelled grenades, rockets, mortars).
• The Mahdi Army and the Sadrist bloc must recognize the Iraqi government has control over the security situation and has the authority to move security forces to impose the law.
• The Mahdi Army would end all attacks, including mortar and rockets strikes against the International Zone.
• The Mahdi Army must clear Sadr City of roadside bombs.
• The Mahdi Army must close all "illegal courthouses."
• The Iraqi government would reopen the entrances to Sadr City.
• The Iraqi government would provide humanitarian aid to the residents of Sadr City.

The Sadrist said the US military would not be allowed to operate inside Sadr City; yet there is no confirmation of this from the Iraqi government or the US military. "The Iraqi forces, not the American forces, can come into Sadr City and search for weapons," Baha al Araji, a Sadrist legislator said. "We don't have big weapons, and we want this to stop."

The Iraqi government insists that internal pressure forced the Sadrist movement to the negotiating table. "It is not the government who pressured the Sadrists into entering this agreement," said Ali al Adeeb, a leading member of the Dawa party. "It is the pressure from the people inside Sadr City and from their own people that will make them act more responsibly."

There is no word on the status of the concrete barrier that is being built that will partition the southern third of Sadr City from the northern neighborhood. In an inquiry to Multinational Division Baghdad, the US command that is working with the Iraqi military to build the barrier in Sadr City, does not expect the construction will stop as the Mahdi Army has not obeyed Sadr's past calls to cease the fighting.

"Seeing as how the Special Groups never listened to [Sadr] to begin with, I don't see how things will change," Lieutenant Colonel Steven Stover, the chief Public Affairs Officer for Multinational Division Baghdad, told The Long War Journal.

Multinational Division Baghdad is continuing with the building of the Sadr City barrier. "We're not stopping," Stover said. "The barrier emplacement is ongoing and about 80 percent complete."

The Mahdi Army has taken heavy casualties in Sadr City and the surrounding neighborhoods since the fighting began on March 25. A total of 562 Mahdi Army fighters have been confirmed killed in and around Sadr City since March 25, according to numbers compiled by The Long War Journal. Multinational Division Baghdad recently began to announce that US Special Operations Forces are openly operating on the ground in support of the building of the barrier. The Iraqi government has also pressured the Mahdi Army in Basrah, where 70 percent of the city is now reported as cleared, and the wider South.

Background on the recent fighting in with the Mahdi Army


Mahdi Army forces openly took up arms against the government after the Iraqi government started the assault on Basrah on March 25 to clear the city of the Mahdi Army and other Iranian-backed Shia militias. Sadr called for his forces to leave the streets on March 30 just as Iraqi Army and police reinforcements began to arrive in Basrah. Sadr later admitted he ordered his followers within the Army and police to abandon their posts and join the fighting against the government.

In Baghdad alone, US and Iraqi forces killed 173 Mahdi Army fighters during the six days of fighting from March 25 up until Sadr declared a cease-fire. The fighting has not abated in Sadr City and other Mahdi Army-dominated neighborhoods in northern and eastern Baghdad. A total of 520 Mahdi Army fighters have been confirmed killed in and around Sadr City since March 25.

Sadr and his political movement have become increasingly isolated since the fighting began in Basrah, Baghdad, and the South. The Iraqi government, with the support of the political parties, said the Sadrist political movement would not be able to participate in upcoming provincial elections if it failed to disband the Mahdi Army. On April 13, the cabinet approved legislation that prevents political parties with militias from contesting provincial elections this year. The bill is now in parliament for approval. Grand Ayatollah Ali al Sistani, the top Shiite cleric in Iraq, said the Mahdi Army was not above the law and should be disarmed. Sadr has refused to disband the Mahdi Army.

On April 20, Sadr threatened to conduct a third uprising, but later backed down from his threat, claiming it was directed only at US forces. The Maliki government has stood firm and said operations would continue until the Mahdi Army and other militias disarm and disband. On May 1, the Iraqi government sent a delegation to confront Iran on its involvement with the insurgency, but Sadr, who is currently in Iran, refused to meet with the Iraqi government representatives.

Seanmcd82
11 May 2008, 00:59
I'll believe it when I see it.

Massgrunt
11 May 2008, 02:50
I'll believe it when I see it.
Yup, basically. Sounds nice in theory, but:

Says nothing about the US military in Sadr City.

KSM
11 May 2008, 03:29
This might be a completely naive and not-with-the-modern-times question, but I'm gonna ask it anyway and hope someone can school me a bit...

I understand cease-fire agreements between warring nations, but a cease-fire agreement with a purported terrorist group inside of a city? That seems like a police department going into a cease-fire agreement with a street gang. Seems kind of strange to me, but it's probably just a case of, "I don't know what I don't know."

Massgrunt
11 May 2008, 03:42
This might be a completely naive and not-with-the-modern-times question, but I'm gonna ask it anyway and hope someone can school me a bit...

I understand cease-fire agreements between warring nations, but a cease-fire agreement with a purported terrorist group inside of a city? That seems like a police department going into a cease-fire agreement with a street gang. Seems kind of strange to me, but it's probably just a case of, "I don't know what I don't know."
Pretty much exactly like that, only the street gang has mortars, SAMs, EFPs, and at least a notionally religious backing/motivation.

magician
11 May 2008, 08:28
I hope that this is prosecuted to culmination.

Camel
11 May 2008, 08:39
The thing about mookie and his buddies is that they are motivated, organized and well armed, some of the IP/IA units just laid down their weapons and abandoned their checkpoints when these guys got motivated a bit ago. Don't get me wrong, not all the IA and IP are shitnecks. The ones in my area have been doing just fine, but i gotta hand it to the militia, they are willing to risk their lives for their beliefs and causes, more then i can say for some. I will however kill them if they come to play in my neck of the woods. It's ruff working to secure a country who's own people don't want it that bad.

agonyea
11 May 2008, 20:22
Operations continue in Sadr City

By Bill RoggioMay 11, 2008 10:55 AM



US and Iraqi forces continue to strike at the Mahdi Army in Baghdad despite the agreement reached between the Iraqi government and the Mahdi Army late Friday. Seventeen Mahdi Army fighters were killed in northeastern Baghdad over the past 24 hours.

Nine of the Mahdi Army fighters killed were killed in Sadr City: four Mahdi fighters were killed by an air weapons team as they planted an explosively formed penetrator roadside bomb; three were killed as they attacked the barrier emplacement teams along Qods Street; and two were killed as they fired rockets. Five more Mahdi Army fighters were killed by air weapons teams in New Baghdad as they grouped for an attack, and three more were killed as they conducted attacks in Adhamiyah.

The cease-fire signed yesterday between the Sadrist movement, which runs the Mahdi Army, and the government of Iraq will not hinder the building of the concrete barrier or operations against the Mahdi Army, US military officials have stated.
Multinational Forces Iraq indicated

"Seeing as how the Special Groups never listened to [Sadr] to begin with, I don't see how things will change," Lieutenant Colonel Steven Stover, the chief Public Affairs Officer for Multinational Division Baghdad, told The Long War Journal on May 10. "We're not stopping [construction on the barrier]," Stover said. "The barrier emplacement is ongoing and about 80 percent complete."

Brigadier General James Milano, the Deputy Commanding General for Multinational Division Baghdad, confirmed the barrier is 80 percent complete and gave no indication he construction would be halted. During a briefing in Baghdad, Milano showed a map detailing the barrier.

The northwestern portion of the wall running along Qods Street, which divides the bottom third of Sadr City for the northern neighborhood, is all that remains. Estimates indicate it will take two weeks to complete this segment.

US Army air assets have relentlessly pursued the Mahdi Army in and around Sadr City. "To date, 57 rocket rails and mortars have been destroyed and 150 Special Groups Criminals killed," Milano said.

The Mahdi Army has taken heavy casualties in Sadr City and the surrounding neighborhoods since the fighting began on March 25. A total of 562 Mahdi Army fighters have been confirmed killed in and around Sadr City since March 25, according to numbers compiled by The Long War Journal. More than one-quarter of the Mahdi Army fighters killed have been killed via the air.




The Mahdi Army has fired over 1,000 rockets and mortars into Baghdad, causing 269 casualties. "The majority of these attacks have come from Sadr City," Milano said.

The Mahdi Army is also using the deadly explosively formed penetrator, or EFP, roadside bombs to target US forces. Most of the roadside bomb attacks are EFPs, which are "the number one killer of our soldiers," Milano said. Iran has supplied EFPs to the Mahdi Army and the Special Groups, which are a subset of the Mahdi Army

Seanmcd82
11 May 2008, 23:07
Still kicking Ass over there, nothing has changed so far.

I wish they would enact a real cease fire so I can get a good nights sleep for a change. Where's the Love?

magician
12 May 2008, 01:32
Interesting how the bad guys seem to be so dead set against that barrier.

EchoFiveMike
12 May 2008, 03:44
When the enemy asks for mercy, he knows you have your boot on his neck. When you have your boot on his neck, you smash his head with something heavy and solid until you're pounding squishy wet dirt.

Fuck this bullshit, keep killing them. S/F....Ken M

KSM
12 May 2008, 03:49
When the enemy asks for mercy, he knows you have your boot on his neck. When you have your boot on his neck, you smash his head with something heavy and solid until you're pounding squishy wet dirt.

Fuck this bullshit, keep killing them. S/F....Ken M

Well there you go making sense! Hard to argue with that logic, too bad more of our leadership don't feel the same way.

Vincent
12 May 2008, 12:14
That truce didn't last very long.....


May 12, 2008
In Sadr City, a Cease-Fire Is Put to the Test, and Fails
By MICHAEL R. GORDON and STEPHEN FARRELL
BAGHDAD — A column of Iraqi armor set out on Sunday to test a new truce in the Sadr City area of Baghdad between the militias and the Iraqi government by venturing north on a major thoroughfare that borders the Shiite enclave.

But the Iraqi forces had barely started to move when they were struck by three roadside bombs, known as improvised explosive devices, or I.E.D.’s, as the military calls them.

As Sadr City and Iraqi government negotiators struggled to complete the cease-fire agreement, the scene was a vivid demonstration that a durable accord in the densely populated neighborhood, where intense fighting has been going on for more than a month, had yet to be achieved.

Sharky
12 May 2008, 12:20
When the enemy asks for mercy, he knows you have your boot on his neck. When you have your boot on his neck, you smash his head with something heavy and solid until you're pounding squishy wet dirt.

Fuck this bullshit, keep killing them. S/F....Ken M



Heheh....sure we're not related?

Seanmcd82
12 May 2008, 12:24
In the past 15 minutes I have counted 8 HellFire Missles heading to Happy-ville, aka Sadr City. There were IED strikes all around today, and an EFP array out on Irish.

So much for that Cease Fire, lol....

Camel
12 May 2008, 12:31
In the past 15 minutes I have counted 8 HellFire Missles heading to Happy-ville, aka Sadr City. There were IED strikes all around today, and an EFP array out on Irish.

So much for that Cease Fire, lol....

On irish? I remember how it was in 05-06, and just the other day i was out in front of ECP1 doing some BS and thinking to my self wow, this road has changed a hell of a lot since the old days, (for me OIF 3 is the old days) I have been amazed much Irish and other area's have changed

Should the thread be re named to " Sadrist bloc buckles, tricks Iraqi Army in Sadr City"?

Seanmcd82
12 May 2008, 12:44
Yep, on Irish.... West bound lanes about a klick from the Flying Man, ECP 13. Big Army had the road shut down and my gunner said there were 3 boxes set along the roadside at the same intervals. Saw EOD rolling out, so it was either that or a damn strange coincidence.

Camel
12 May 2008, 12:50
Yep, on Irish.... West bound lanes about a klick from the Flying Man, ECP 13. Big Army had the road shut down and my gunner said there were 3 boxes set along the roadside at the same intervals. Saw EOD rolling out, so it was either that or a damn strange coincidence.

No shit, i was standing in the east lane picking up some barriers the other day. Sorry to hear it, i do not like EFP's and i was pretty stoked Irish has become a less of a butt puckering road than it used to be.

Stay safe.

Argyll 50
12 May 2008, 14:31
How is it possible that given the amount of ISF Checkpoints on Irish these days, someone can stop and prepare a bank of EFP's without anyone noticing?

Vincent
12 May 2008, 14:37
How is it possible that given the amount of ISF Checkpoints on Irish these days, someone can stop and prepare a bank of EFP's without anyone noticing?

You're kidding, right?

Argyll 50
12 May 2008, 14:45
You're kidding, right?

No I'm serious, I travelled that road almost daily last year in a Convoy, and the amount of incidents where IED's were placed or detonated were few and far between, also the frequency of the Sweep teams....There were ISF checkpoints at every intersection, and also you have the overwatch towers, so unless it's the ISF who are placing them, then it's a serious question, in the 4 years I've been here, I've had one Complex attack back in 2004, and then a SAF last year, it weent from one of , if not, the most dangerous road in the world, to one of relative quietness.......what's changed in the past 6 months that I've been down South?

If the suggestion is that the ISF are behind these, then it's clear what needs to be done, arrest and detain!!

Seanmcd82
12 May 2008, 15:25
It is hard to answer without violating OPSEC, however it does not surprise me really.

Vincent
12 May 2008, 15:28
ISF does not care if CF get blown up. I wouldn't go so far as to say they are personally setting the IEDs up, but....

Argyll 50
12 May 2008, 16:00
Ok, I'm understanding the point now, basically no change then, as it was always suspected that ISF/IP were Militia in their day jobs, as most incidents happened at these very choke points, I myself have been directed by dodgy ISF down another road with a convoy,over in Diyala and we got whacked, they didn't figure we'd come back and they got a very rude awakening, when we demolished their VCP with our vehicles, by "accident" .....

Massgrunt
12 May 2008, 18:44
Last year, and probably to this day, the most common attack site was right next to an IA camp on Irish. I mean, right next to it.

Camel
13 May 2008, 07:46
Last year, and probably to this day, the most common attack site was right next to an IA camp on Irish. I mean, right next to it.

+1

east side 05-06 many times 100-200m from an IP checkpoint we would get hit. I believe the IP can be bought for a very small price, they will run over watch for who ever wants to plant the bomb if the price is right. Not confirmed, just a theory of mine.