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KellyTTE

19 June 2008, 14:14

So, I get this email a couple of days ago from the company that I spoke about in this thread. (http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=77850) So the email is 'Hey we never heard back from you, whats up?' and I replied back that I was limiting my training choices this year.

And here's the exchange:

Originally Posted by TINCUP AL:
So, if you're ever interested in a carbine class, we have an ex Delta guy that knows his stuff. Stay in touch.

Originally Posted by KellyTTE:
Care to share his name? I have no problem paying for advanced training, but its always helpful to have a CV and name to justify spreading the 'word' as it were.

Originally Posted by TINCUP AL:
Ed Rodriguez is his name. Many years as special ops, and several more as Delta. ( by the way, what is CV ? ) Thanks again.

I like the 'what is CV' part especially. Tincup Al is just the messenger, but who he's 'representing' is going to get someone hurt. Should I just tell this guy to STFU or bust out this 'Delta' guy to everyone locally? Advice/Mentoring appreciated guys.

Kelly

Believeraz

19 June 2008, 16:46

CV is more widely used in European circles than the US. An actual CV can easily be 12-20 pages in length. Do you expect to see details about service in an SMU on an open-source resume?

What do you gain or improve by attempting to bust someone out, or telling someone else to STFU? Not sharpshooting, but it lends perspective to your question.

If you feel uncomfortable with the situation, you can always vote with your checkbook. There are plenty of known quantity instructors with SMU backgrounds out there on the open market now. If you doubt these guys you reference, train with one of the known guys.

Just my .02 drachmas.

GRIFFIN

19 June 2008, 18:26

If a school is using the past status of an instructor to fill slots they should not flinch when they are asked to provide the creds of the instructor (unless they have something to hide).

What do you gain or improve by attempting to bust someone out, or telling someone else to STFU? Not sharpshooting, but it lends perspective to your question.

Just my .02 drachmas.

There is much to gain from busting out anyone that is using false credentials to get ahead!
Why should they get ahead on the work of others?

SOTB

19 June 2008, 18:36

There is much to gain from busting out anyone that is using false credentials to get ahead!
Why should they get ahead on the work of others?I agree -- but I also think that poser busting is really something that should be practiced by those with relevant personal experience in the subject purportedly being lied about.

It seems that as of late, people have come to believe that poser-busting is some sort of new national sport. And that is COOL and I have no problem with it. But I also believe sincerely in the concept of geographically-induced consequences. So for those that want to play the game, especially for those that falsely accuse someone who IS a BTDT, I think they should be prepared for what comes after.

IMO, if the guy is claiming to be a skydiver, or fixes up '69 Cameros, or SOF -- the person calling him on it should be able to do so without having to turn to a board or buddies to find out if the claims are true.

Mis dos centavos....

KellyTTE

19 June 2008, 20:19

I've voted with my checkbook and decided not to train with this gent.

Maybe I'm misdirected, but I'd like to think that I have a responsibility to others to say 'hey, be careful' to others in the local community. But, conversely, I feel that if I'm going to warn someone off from a particular trainer, then It'd be better if I had concrete grounds on which to do so. The only way to get on that 'solid' ground, that I can see, is to ask those that are in the know. Which is why I came here.

Maybe a CV is asking a bit much, but some unit, some time frame, something to bolster what he's claiming. I was hoping someone could say, hey, yah I know the guy's name/rep something, but no one has stepped forward as of yet.

Kelly

Greenhat

19 June 2008, 21:24

IMO, if the guy is claiming to be a skydiver, or fixes up '69 Cameros, or SOF -- the person calling him on it should be able to do so without having to turn to a board or buddies to find out if the claims are true.

Mis dos centavos....

A couple of years ago, I got a job application from a guy. On his resume, it stated that he was a US Navy veteran and had served in the SEALs. I asked for his class number and he gave me one.

From that point on, I had to turn to Cass and Frog, who I only know from this board. They confirmed that no such named person had ever gone through BUDs and that the class number he gave me had yet to start.

The way I read the quoted part, sounds like I should have been able to vet the guy on my own.. or maybe I'm misunderstanding you (actually, I assume I am). Could you clarify?

KellyTTE

19 June 2008, 22:05

And what makes this thread different from the first is that in the first thread, it was just being said that the person is question was 'special ops' which is a BROAD category. Now he's specifically saying 'DELTA' which is a bit more pointed. Just to clarify why I'm bring this back to the Army Special Operations forum.

Also, I'm in total agreement with SOTB in that if it turns out this guy is 'real deal' then I'll be more than willing to publicly say 'hey sorry I was asking pointy questions'.

Kelly

NightLandNav

19 June 2008, 22:39

SOTB

20 June 2008, 04:07

Individuals who advertise on the Internet to "Out Phonies, especially SEAL, SF types..."

If they're not Skydivers, don't out Skydivers. If they haven't rebuilt a 69 Camaro, don't out...Skydivers.

If they weren't in SOF...time w/CID or MP with no SOF experience doesn't count...then they are after people they don't understand past a very basic level.

In the end the facts are available for the truth to be defended by those who need to. But it has been my clear observation that it is easier to sling the shit, than correct it.

As such, GH described a rational template for going about it. First, personal bias was not an issue. Second, once further verification of definitive information was necessary, verification from a definitive source was solicited.

Prior...and this is key...to any accusations being made.

Note: This is in no way an effort to answer for SOTB. Any similarity to such an effort is a purely coincidental.Yes, that is my thinking.

GH, as SOF, I believe you knew the questions to answer and how to come up with the right answers. So your checking up on a guy claiming SOF is logical and appropriate.

I also understand someone not SOF wanting to check on someone they are going to give money to -- but IMO -- that last person's actions should cease once he/she knows the answer. For them to run off and bust out a poser is not really wise and they should be shown no sympathy later when things go South....

Greenhat

20 June 2008, 04:58

Yes, that is my thinking.

GH, as SOF, I believe you knew the questions to answer and how to come up with the right answers. So your checking up on a guy claiming SOF is logical and appropriate.

I also understand someone not SOF wanting to check on someone they are going to give money to -- but IMO -- that last person's actions should cease once he/she knows the answer. For them to run off and bust out a poser is not really wise and they should be shown no sympathy later when things go South....

That's pretty much the answer I expected, but I figured some clarification was appropriate. Thanks.

Bushmaster

30 June 2008, 12:22

I have busted one guy who claimed to be a Ranger School graduate. It wasn't that hard actually and I didn't take any particular joy in doing it, it was just part of my job. Several years ago, I had an NCO who claimed to be a Drill Sergeant, 11B, Ranger School, Non Airborne, Air Assault, and have a 42A MOS to boot.

Strange combination indeed. The kicker was he had an authentic LOOKING Ranger School graduation certificate. The PROBLEM was, the class number on the certificate was the same one as my BN XO. So I go into the XOs office, look at his graduation class picture, don't see the guy. So I say "Hey boss, I need to borrow this a sec."

I show the guy the guy the class pic and say "Which one were you?" He said he wasn't in the pic.

The backstory here is the guy worked as a civ contractor at Bragg over at SWC as a lanes grader or some crap (needed a Ranger or SF tab).

I tell my XO about it and he doesn't remember the guy either. So, XO instructs me to call Benning. At the time, they had a SPC 4 down there whose primary mission in life was to track this stuff down. He calls back and says "Guy is a fake".

A former poster here (TR) was at SWC. I PM'd him and he confirmed the guy worked there, but had just recently left. All of this took a few weeks.

Next month, dude is a no show. I send him an AWOL letter and the next correspondence I get is from a LTC out in Oklahoma where he is trying to go AGR. Says this guy is this, that, and a bag of chips. I tell the guy that we were in the process of investigating him for unauthorized wear of several skill identifiers, the Ranger tab being one, DS badge, and EIB.

That sort of took the wind out of his sails.

This ass hat used fake credentials to get jobs he wasn't qualified for. The one at SWC could have resulted in people getting hurt. I also sent him to FJSC as a DS (questionable qualifications) and could have gotten someone hurt. Everything after that was questioned.

End result is the guy wound up a PFC and a dishonorable discharge. No tab, no DS, no rank (he was a SPC wearing SSG), no EIB. His bullwinkle badge was the only thing he earned.

That is the only time I have ever busted anyone, or cared to, and it was in the performance of my job at the time. It was ugly, embarrassing for the Soldier, took too much time, too much paperwork, and was the main focus every month until the guy was reduced and discharged.

Credentials are important. If I am hiring a truck driver, I don't want some Delta/SEAL/Ranger type claiming to be a truck driver if they don't know what a jake break is. That is just as bad as a truck driver claiming to be a Delta/SEAL/Ranger type when trying to get a job with an overseas security outfit. BOTH fabrications can, and often, have disastrous consequences.

No disrespect to Delta/SEAL/Ranger or truck drivers intended!!

IrishEKU

30 June 2008, 17:24

This ass hat used fake credentials to get jobs he wasn't qualified for. The one at SWC could have resulted in people getting hurt. I also sent him to FJSC as a DS (questionable qualifications) and could have gotten someone hurt. Everything after that was questioned.

That there is the reason why you shouldn't feel any guilt what so ever over what you did. You were looking out for troops or personel wheather they were your own or not. You'll get an "Atta Boy and WTG" from me any time a situation like this comes to light.

There is a HUGE diffrence in PVT Snuffy wanting to get into some girls panties and what that miserable SOB was pulling off, lives.

Good bust, period.;)

30 June 2008, 19:22

Can you attend SOTIC without being a SOF soldier?

SOTIC Level II

Hardon

2 July 2008, 18:11

Hardon here,I could not wait to reply to this.I am a FNG. here
1st. My hats off to all the military gentlemen. Thanks for your serv.
Im a retired 1st shirt with 22yrs. I was 11B5M had to reclass (med reason) into the logistics field YUK YUK.Thank you again.

MODERATOR DELETION

Now about this Kelly.
I poked around, and found out that he, is a little reporter that criques firearms and equiptment, that wanta bees put on their Carbinis. Also sad to say shooting Schools are included. Then he,can get the classes for free while his buddies have to pay. He host shooting schools. He is trying to make a NAME for himself and to gain FAME at the exspense of a brother warrior.That could endanger the innocent of his family.
We know how reporters are! Half truth. I spoke to Ed and he said he offerd a free class to Kelly but, Kelly declined or never replied (same thing). He will not face Ed with his doubts,Ed told him he would explain things to him face to face. Is he a wimpy,shitstain? Be a man. And to think our brothers are dieing to protect pukes like him.
Remember, OPSEC At present time, I am meeting with Ed and he thanks you for your support and serv. He feels unright that he cannot defend himself due to the circumstances. But he is true to the cause of fight terrorism.
Thank you gentle man. Sorry about the gramer. I cannot htink to well right now.
P2OG, ring a bell?

OUT HERE

GRIFFIN

2 July 2008, 18:38

...and all this time I did not think we needed the pocorn smiley

Remington Raider

2 July 2008, 18:56

OH MAN, extra butter and salt, please. "Full Bull"? HOW APPROPRIATE. Hey TOP, I think it is "full bird"? Poser first shirt? Bonus points!!!

GRIFFIN

2 July 2008, 19:03

Hardon here,I could not wait to reply to this.I am a FNG. here
1st. My hats off to all the military gentlemen. Thanks for your serv.
Im a retired 1st shirt with 22yrs. I was 11B5M had to reclass (med reason) into the logistics field YUK YUK.Thank you again.

MOD DELETE

Now about this Kelly.
I poked around, and found out that he, is a little reporter that criques firearms and equiptment, that wanta bees put on their Carbinis. Also sad to say shooting Schools are included. Then he,can get the classes for free while his buddies have to pay. He host shooting schools. He is trying to make a NAME for himself and to gain FAME at the exspense of a brother warrior.That could endanger the innocent of his family.
We know how reporters are! Half truth. I spoke to Ed and he said he offerd a free class to Kelly but, Kelly declined or never replied (same thing). He will not face Ed with his doubts,Ed told him he would explain things to him face to face. Is he a wimpy,shitstain? Be a man. And to think our brothers are dieing to protect pukes like him.
Remember, OPSEC At present time, I am meeting with Ed and he thanks you for your support and serv. He feels unright that he cannot defend himself due to the circumstances. But he is true to the cause of fight terrorism.
Thank you gentle man. Sorry about the gramer. I cannot htink to well right now.
P2OG, ring a bell?

OUT HERE

Im going to go ahead and not beat around the bush on this one...
That is one crazy bat shit post my man.
I don't even know where to begin.

Silverbullet

2 July 2008, 19:05

Greenhat

2 July 2008, 19:32

Marking the PZ with smoke....

Trip_Wire

2 July 2008, 19:47

Hmmmm ... this could be interesting Full Bull eh? LOL :)

Hardon

2 July 2008, 20:53

Thought I could be some help.
and I know that. a COL. Is a Full (BIRD). But others have different names for them as well.
Again,Doe's P2OG ring a bell with any one?

Lets not be ASSHOLES.
Later

24/7

2 July 2008, 21:10

MOD DELETE

OUT HERE

Me like happy smoke too. Me think somebody full of poo poo. Me keep watching this thread....much fun tonight. :rolleyes:

GRIFFIN

2 July 2008, 21:15

Thought I could be some help.
and I know that. a COL. Is a Full (BIRD). But others have different names for them as well.
Again,Doe's P2OG ring a bell with any one?

Lets not be ASSHOLES.
Later

This has got to be a joke...someone come clean.

----EDIT ----
or please feel free to explain

Silverbullet

2 July 2008, 21:17

He's been extracted.

Now he can hang out with his "deep cover" buddy and brother in law.

24/7

2 July 2008, 21:18

This has got to be a joke...someone come clean.

Are you refering to MR "Deep Cover Butt Hurt" when you wrote Doe's P2OG?

Feel free to explain

And his partners Mr. Ben Dover and Dick Stiffner. :D

Now Mr. Banned user.... No more fireworks, it almost the 4th of July. Come on Dad, please. :D

2 July 2008, 22:18

WOW

magician

2 July 2008, 22:30

Thank you to those who sent a flare up on this thread.

MOD.

Trip_Wire

2 July 2008, 23:01

He must mean this group.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proactive,_Preemptive_Operations_Group

More:

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001021.html

A google of P2OG will bring up a lot of media speculation.

Mr. Hardon writes and talks much like a teenager, used to text messaging or visiting my page, etc.

Johan

3 July 2008, 01:25

Unh!

This person makes me look like professor of english language when they type. I did not think this to be possible.

Regards,

NightLandNav

3 July 2008, 05:52

This person makes me look like professor of english language when they type. I did not think this to be possible.

Regards,

Compared to allot of the BS I've read on other forums... where adults allegedly educated in English as their first language are posting ...you're Earnest F. Hemingway.

Offroad

3 July 2008, 07:17

Daum! It hadn't been that long since I went back to Amarillo. When'd they start growin' nuts n' goobers back there?

RGR.Montcalm

3 July 2008, 13:58

I just gotta say WOW:eek::eek:

If the trend keeps up, one of the registered users is going to be in Guiness World Records as "Shortest Duration of Membership in SOCNET". :rolleyes:

KellyTTE

3 July 2008, 23:18

Wow...

Umm for the record:

1) I've never accepted a 'free class' ever. I do review gear, but the vast majority of what I write about gets returned (excepting boots/clothing) or given to either soldiers or LE personnel.

2) I am hosting LMS Defense here in Denver, and PAYING my way to donate the host slots to a local sheriff gent & his son in trade for the range time.

The messages you saw above were entered by Mr. Rodriguez himself. This is the same MO he used at CO-AR15 when I asked about his background. Multiple accounts, each one proclaiming he was Neo himself. He and his assistant instructor both got banned for multiple accounts AND referring business to one another without disclosing the relationship.

If he's simply said he was a good shooter that liked teaching, I'd have had NO issue over this.

KellyTTE

4 July 2008, 00:00

Oh, and before I forget. One of my contribiting writers is a young Specialist that just graduated PLDC and is on his way BACK to Iraq for his third tour. Yah, I'm all about exploiting deep cover operatives for my little gear reviews. That makes a lot of sense.. well.. actually, none at all. Sorry, I'm a bit steamed that Ed has started the 'Admit nothing, Deny everything, Make counter-accusations' simply because I had the 'impudence' to inquire about his credentials.

Bah.

Kelly

Remington Raider

4 July 2008, 05:21

SO, he was even posing about being a TEXAN? Now THAT is unacceptable.

Old_AF_SP

10 September 2008, 16:10

I know this is an old post and OBE and I didn't see the reference to Full Bull in Hardon's post (assume the Mod Deletion took care of that). I will say though that the term Full Bull has been used in the Air Force synonymously with Full Bird. It was not in universal usage and I certainly didn’t hear it after, say 1985 or so but it was used.

Having said that it still makes the post absolute trash and the poster FOS.

longrange1947

10 September 2008, 19:49

Can you attend SOTIC without being a SOF soldier?

Missed this question when it was first asked, yes, but only the Level II unit ran sniper courses. He states SOTIC Level II. 5th runs their sniper course in conjunction with 101st.

As long as they use SOTIC Level I instructors in their course then it is a valid Level II course.

Full Bull is an Air Force term and old Army term as pointed out above.